The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

maccored wrote: »

Never heard of that - any data to back it up (otherwise it is just waffle)

McMurphy wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald says "Big Philo dug his own difficulties even deeper"

Lot of anger out there, lot of anger.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wrong.

I absolutely and unequivocally condemned what he had done and welcomed the fact that he was in jail.

There was a long running debate about whether he was a paedophile or not. There is a legal and medical difference.

Not getting back into that rabbit hole...the redtop crew don't like their sensationalist terms taken off them. They are firing it at me all evening because I said a man had a right to defend himself in court.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There’s still a big story brewing about how a political party operating in Ireland and Northern Ireland can own 50 properties. That’s extraordinary. Where did the money come from to buy these properties considering there’s a ban on overseas political donations in the Republic?

They also have 200 employees, which would cost millions every year in wages, employer PRSI etc. More employees than the Tory party in the UK, of the CDU in Germany. Who are these people, and what do they do all day? Are they the famous 'community activists' we used to hear a lot about?

blanch152 wrote: »

There is an awful low of murkiness around the Sinn Fein finances. It is bound to get more attention in the coming years.

Edgware wrote: »

Simpleton theory.

It's not how they manage it, it's where they get it in the first place

Truthvader wrote: »

Think you are quite wrong. To facilitate the "peace process" wagon loads of criminality both historical and ongoing has been overlooked and ignored. Any time any effort was made by the PSNI or the Guards to investigate or prosecute any "good Republican" it resulted in howls of rage accompanied by dark hints that it would "threaten the peace process" (ie we might have to kill a couple more or organise a riot).

The wealth amassed over the years will be viewed as "old news" and any effort to investigate the source will result in the usual Sinn Fein allegations of a Free State conspiracy against them (because they are now used to the idea that normal laws do not apply to them). The only real hope was that Revenue might investigate but I expect they have been told not to touch it and to concentrate on painters doing nixers and unconnected shopkeepers taking a bit of cash

smurgen wrote: »

Christ the Anti SF crowd are really gone into overdrive the last few days. You lads sound like trump supporters rattling on about conspiracy theories non stop about pizza gate, Benghazi and roaring Hillary every two seconds.

Truthvader wrote: »

OK this is actually useful and I get the point. What would you like the government actually to do? It seems to me that a booming macro economy necessarily drives up property prices because everyone has more money. The solution cannot be to damage the macro economy as the result of that is Detroit, where housing is dirt cheap but everything else is ****.

Plus whatever the solution is Sinn Fein of all parties are not going to provide it. Perhaps I may be right wing but I dont see PBP and their like providing a solution. Could it be that the housing "build" program that should kick in (supply and demand) necessarily lags behind the economic success. With covid 19 we could well end up with plenty of houses yet as the economy collapses, people stop paying rent and mortgages etc

RandomName2 wrote: »

What is it about SF and victim complex? Do they live for nothing else but to go on about how hard done by they are, and how hypocritical everyone other than themselves are?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They were. They aren't anymore, but AFAIK there are loopholes in this prohibition which are widely exploited.



The issue here is that the part in bold has not been true during the 2010s. Young people have not benefitted from the "recovery" and young workers are primarily those who have been targeted in cost-saving measures - I can think of a few obvious examples off the top of my head, the move to stop paying student nurses and the two-tiered pay system in teaching and other professions come immediately to mind, but this phenomenon has been replicated right through society and is yet another example of the ladder being pulled up. Most people I know working in full time careers haven't experienced anything close to the kind of wage inflation that they've had to deal with in cost of living inflation during the same period. Again I know I keep quoting this, but the Financial Times is a reputable newspaper so it seems a good, non-controversial source of figures for a debate like this - 40& vs 14%. The former percentage is how much the cost of living has inflated for young people over the last ten years. The latter is how much take-home pay has inflated during the same period.

You cannot introduce people to a certain quality of life, dramatically reduce it very suddenly, and expect those people not to become extremely angry at this. Young people who had jobs could afford better living conditions in the early 2010s than they can now, because very specifically of inflation in the cost of living - of which the cost of housing represents a gigantic proportion. Peoples' living conditions were better in the earlier half of this decade than they are now. Hell, many people I know who moved out of the family home earlier this decade and began living an independent life have had to reverse that decision because there was simple no way they could keep up with the spiralling cost of rent regardless of how hard they worked or how quickly they climbed the corporate ladder.

Again, how can anyone logically expect quality of life to regress across the board, and for the people experiencing that not lash out at the smug, out-of-touch, "keep the recovery going" w*nkers they had to put up with, acting as if life wasn't getting worse for a large number of people - or indeed acting, as Eoghan Murphy did with his idiotic "boutique hotels" comment, as if young people should just accept this, take it lying down, and even somehow learn to be happy about it?

It simple isn't going to happen. You cannot withdraw peoples' hard earned lifestyle in favour of a much more Spartan one without blowback. It's that simple. The paradigm of the earlier half of the 2010s was one of being able to afford rent and actually have some disposable income to live a life on. You cannot tell people that they'll have to give that up and not provide a viable alternative, or those people will revolt.

It's very, very basic human psychology.



At the beginning of the COVID crisis, there was a gigantic outcry against a group of people who bought PPE in bulk for no reason other than to hold it to ransom and price-gouge on it. I have no idea where you came down on that particular issue, but society was more or less united in regarding the people doing so as a bunch of unimaginably greedy c*nts. Why is it surprising that hoarding housing during a shortage for the sole purpose of "earning" money without actually producing anything of value is regarded with the same level of disdain by those who are being price gouged in this manner? There's a societal-level cognitive dissonance about this issue. If one is morally wrong, then by definition so too is the other.

Truthvader wrote: »

Think "ideas" about Sinn Fein come from their on going entanglement with criminals and thugs and the glorification of their cruel history plus the low calibre of candidates infesting their party.

If they were in power who could they send to Europe instead of "Big Phil"? Angus O'Snodaigh? Dessie Ellis? Eoin O'Brion? Martina Anderson?

Economic Collapse wrote: »

This is what you are dealing with in Sinn Fein. Terrorists, murderers, rapists, paedophiles, communists, MI5 agents, racists, sectarian bigots, xenophobes. And soon they will be running the show here if they can get their grubby hands on power. Sickening.