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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭bombs away


    Their airlines is the issue, Aer Lingus is no longer Irish owned, albeit that there is a massive employment in Ireland, and IAG have not made any comment about looking for financial support from the government here, probably because they don't want to have any subsequent strings as a result.

    Ryanair is also Irish as such, but there's no love lost between them and politics, for all sorts of reasons, and things like bogus self employment of pilots would almost certainly have been on the agenda if Ryanair had pushed for support, and that would cause all sorts of complications for Ryanair if the rules were changed.

    Neither airline has any state shareholding as such, so state support for effectively private enterprise would have to be approved by all sorts of different bodies.

    There are then other operators that could also have been considered, Cityjet and Stobart are Irish based, so where does one draw a line?

    Hopefully, the relevant employees have been looked after by state support, as they should have been eligible, but given the haphazard manner in which government has dealt with so many issues, it's hard to know exactly what has gone on.

    If airlines had been supported, how does one then deal with the massive number of leasing companies that are Irish based, and they have aircraft literally spread around the globe with a massive number of operators.

    Then there's maintenance operators, who will have seen a downturn due to lack of utilisation, but an increase in work keeping aircraft in good condition. At the same time, how many aircraft are being returned to leasing companies, so the maintenance operators are working on them to ensure they meet the return off lease agreements, and they can be very complex and long inspections.

    Its far more complex than just throwing money at the airlines, and right now, I don't think it's been on the agenda of too many people because of the background issues of resentment against people who travelled when they should not have, and the whole unspoken "green" issues about long haul, this pandemic has served to bring a whole raft of issues into a clearer focus, and some of the eventual results may not be what anyone in the industry wants to see or hear, as its very likely that there will be significant changes when the dust settles on this disruption.

    Then there's the issue of a government that's not really truly aware of what it's doing, or what it should be doing, there's been way too much of an absence of clear planning throughout this whole time, and there's way more than just airlines that have been affected by their inertia.

    Most of the airlines in Europe that have gotten state aid are not state owned. Complete agree that the government don’t seem to be truly aware of the problem or are burying their heads in the sand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    bombs away wrote: »
    Most of the airlines in Europe that have gotten state aid are not state owned. Complete agree that the government don’t seem to be truly aware of the problem or are burying their heads in the sand.

    The Irish Government are aware of the massive problems these long protracted and escalating restrictions are placing on companies like Aer Lingus and the continued risks these policies are putting on the employment of the remaining 4000 workers at the company and probably another 1000+ in related services to AL...
    The issue is the Government don't have a credible well thought out plan to ensure the state has Airlines operating effectively here in 2022 and beyond so as not to leave Ireland as that rocky Island off the coast of Europe that we have to get the weekly Ferry to...


  • Registered Users Posts: 38 Furasta


    Not really sure if it belongs here but spotted EI-EIN on the ground here at Dallas Fort Worth International DFW this morning at work.

    Cargo flight mayhaps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    bombs away wrote: »
    Think it’s more the fact that every European country has offered substantial financial assistance to their airlines to get them through the pandemic except for Ireland. Lockdowns aren’t helping of course but offering no assistance to the aviation industry in Ireland and expecting it to get through two summers without any traffic is wishful thinking on the governments part.

    This comes up again and again. Aer Lingus has taken a €150m loan from the ISIF. Ryanair have not sought any Government assistance. So it seems that on the one occasion an airline requested help, they got it. You can't force loans on a company that doesn't want them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    Furasta wrote: »
    Not really sure if it belongs here but spotted EI-EIN on the ground here at Dallas Fort Worth International DFW this morning at work.

    Looking at FR24, I think you mean EI-EIM – flew yesterday as EI995.

    https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ei955#276e18c3

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Furasta wrote: »
    Not really sure if it belongs here but spotted EI-EIN on the ground here at Dallas Fort Worth International DFW this morning at work.

    Cargo flight mayhaps?

    Lots of cargo ops

    There was a set of Munich - Dublin - Atlanta a few weeks back.

    EI-EIM and EI-GCF in Miami on freight earlier in the week


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Video on Instagram of EIM taxiing on stand in DFW;

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CNyfJ6UhvTm/?igshid=10cwsxex2wpa4

    LiamaDelta wrote: »
    ...........You can't force loans on a company that doesn't want them.
    Definitely my opinion. Aer Lingus will certainly avail of any supports made available, but they dont want to approach the Govt and end up with strings attached


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is there a delivery date for LRF ? It looked to be there in XFW with LRG/LRH


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Avgeek2101 wrote: »
    Is there a delivery date for LRF ? It looked to be there in XFW with LRG/LRH

    I think it was reported a few weeks ago that it would be delayed due to a technical issue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    LiamaDelta wrote: »
    This comes up again and again. Aer Lingus has taken a €150m loan from the ISIF. Ryanair have not sought any Government assistance. So it seems that on the one occasion an airline requested help, they got it. You can't force loans on a company that doesn't want them.

    It's a loan that will produce a profit for the government. It's not exactly state aid. It's also a drop in the ocean, though no doubt gratefully received. The government need to come up with a much better offer of support for all stakeholders in the industry.
    Airlines are hesitant to publicly hold out the beggars cap because to be seen to do so would undermine confidence in the company and have a huge effect on forward bookings. Joe public would be hesitant to book an Aer Lingus flight to Malaga after seeing news coverage that the company is requesting significant financial support from the Government in order to survive.
    Personally, I think we're on the verge of seeing some significant restructuring in the company. A second consecutive lost Summer season is going to hit hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    LiamaDelta wrote: »
    This comes up again and again. Aer Lingus has taken a €150m loan from the ISIF. Ryanair have not sought any Government assistance. So it seems that on the one occasion an airline requested help, they got it. You can't force loans on a company that doesn't want them.


    No assistance from Irish government as yet but accepted a GBP600m loan from UK last year.

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/economy/ryanair-taps-uk-government-loan-programme-for-600m-1.1020977

    Eddie Wilson reported last week as saying Ireland is last on the companies list of countries to invest in the short term. So taking that reasoning why would you want to tap the Irish government for assistance which will no doubt come with strings attached if you had already made the decision that there is no point in making further investment in the country for the foreseeable? Much better to redeploy assets overseas and avail of potentially less onerous repayment terms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Ryanair and EI will happily take 'free' money, so loans on commercial terms if cheaper than those available via normal channels.

    No one want to deal with Irish politicians, particularly those in Shannon who still to this day have and continue to damage the industry, 28L in Dublin was built long but not long enough as they did the math to ensure Shannon was a stopover. To this very day this has caused problems and limits

    IAG is going to have do some cleaning and BA needs a total rethink as it is over exposed to first/business. Air Europa will be interesting. EI going after MAN is a positive step to build some demand and cash flow. You never know MAN to Spain on a A330?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Searching for some discussion about the fleet or possible routes.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Searching for some discussion about the fleet or possible routes.....

    Route reductions are the only thing on the cards anytime soon I’d imagine unfortunately.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Searching for some discussion about the fleet or possible routes.....

    Unfortunately there are hardly any routes to discuss. (6 departures from Dublin on Tuesdays and Saturdays!!)Once the 8th A321LR gets delivered we may only heard of fleet reductions for the next 12-18 months.


    2 mates from EI did pass some info regarding possible restart on some routes over the Summer.
    But until that’s in the public sphere I won’t be posting anything just yet.
    I’m guessing it will be altered by fast moving circumstances, like every airline plan over the last 12 months


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Searching for some discussion about the fleet or possible routes.....

    Not exactly Aer Lingus mainline but:
    Dublin-Exeter (operated by BHD based ATR)
    Belfast-Newquay


  • Registered Users Posts: 139 ✭✭KnicksInSix


    Flights booked for 5th June DUB-VRN cancelled this evening, surprised because it appeared to be fairly full a few weeks ago.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Talguetler wrote: »
    Flights booked for 5th June DUB-VRN cancelled this evening, surprised because it appeared to be fairly full a few weeks ago.

    Saw a post on airliners.net this morning saying most of the short haul has been removed from sale up till end of June.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Iberia and Aer Lingus are now code sharing.

    https://www.aerlingus.com/plan-and-book/plan/our-airline-partners.

    Aer Lingus flights to MAD available via IB website and IB connections off EI T/A via EI website.

    Notable connections now possible are LAX-DUB-MAD and SFO-DUB-MAD which were not possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Iberia and Aer Lingus are now code sharing.

    https://www.aerlingus.com/plan-and-book/plan/our-airline-partners.

    Aer Lingus flights to MAD available via IB website and IB connections off EI T/A via EI website.

    Notable connections now possible are LAX-DUB-MAD and SFO-DUB-MAD which were not possible.

    Wonder why you can’t book IB on EI for Dublin to Madrid, is it because Iberia express or just not part of this deal?

    Would imagine dub to South America via MAD would provide some traffic?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Wonder why you can’t book IB on EI for Dublin to Madrid, is it because Iberia express or just not part of this deal?

    Would imagine dub to South America via MAD would provide some traffic?

    You'd hope not at the moment! :D But yes this is a welcome move, pre-pandemic the English industry in Ireland was importing Brazilians in particular at a ferocious rate who could then work and put down roots on their visa (and very happy we are to have them, lest we forget it was a tight labour market only a year ago). Hopefully these folks stay and continue to flourish in Ireland, and go back and forth to home in a way similar to our Polish etc neighbors. You'd suspect direct to Latin America is a bit like L*s *eg*s but with strong connections EI can drive more efficiency in the short haul network without going off to do things in regions it doesn't really have experience of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Dublin-Exeter is actually launching. Looks like late August, 4w, Stobart operated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,921 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    L1011 wrote: »
    Dublin-Exeter is actually launching. Looks like late August, 4w, Stobart operated.

    Using one of the Belfast based aircraft on a "W" routing - Belfast-Exeter-Dublin-Exeter-Belfast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    30th August according to the email I got. I suspect myself that is reasonable - the government will dilly and dither and outright impede travel until the schools go back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Aer Lingus proposing 25% reduction in workforce (875 job losses) and will be unable to maintain current pay rates (already -50% at all grades) for Winter 2021/22, it wasn't confirmed if this meant the remaining workforce would be furloughed on Gov shoulders. It says this is the reality if no Summer season can be recovered this year.

    This would see the Aer Lingus workforce already having already reduced from 4,500 to circa 3,500 through a mixture of redundancies, part time, career breaks and voluntary severance, reducing further by 25% to circa 2,600.

    Pilots, Cabin Crew and Ground Operations will bear the brunt, devastating news.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    Using one of the Belfast based aircraft on a "W" routing - Belfast-Exeter-Dublin-Exeter-Belfast.

    Happy to see this route coming back into operation, and I hope it works for them, the prices are reasonable, which was the downside of Flybe when they operated the route, when compared to Bristol and getting the bus to Exeter. We've family there, so this will be a route that will figure in our future plans.

    Another possible plus factor will be that the former Flybe maintenance facitlity at Exeter is now part of Dublin Aerospace, with maintence for ATR being part of their future operation plan, so I wouldn't be surprised to see aircraft maintenance swaps being done during the rotations, with bases at both Belfast and Dublin, changing aircraft as part of scheduled operations is the best of both worlds, in that it saves non revenue sectors to get the aircraft there.

    The timings are not bad either, there were times when the Flybe timings were less than optimal for a once daily rotation, hopefully, it will be the beginning of a more substantial return to that part of the world.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus proposing 25% reduction in workforce (875 job losses) and will be unable to maintain current pay rates (already -50% at all grades) for Winter 2021/22, it wasn't confirmed if this meant the remaining workforce would be furloughed on Gov shoulders. It says this is the reality if no Summer season can be recovered this year.

    This would see the Aer Lingus workforce already having already reduced from 4,500 to circa 3,500 through a mixture of redundancies, part time, career breaks and voluntary severance, reducing further by 25% to circa 2,600.

    Pilots, Cabin Crew and Ground Operations will bear the brunt, devastating news.

    Joe Walsh Tours gone too by the looks of things.

    Didn't have to be like this, I hope its remembered at election time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    cson wrote: »
    Joe Walsh Tours gone too by the looks of things.

    Didn't have to be like this, I hope its remembered at election time.

    The reality is I'm not sure election's really matter for anybody in Aviation at present. The opposition wanted all countries on MHQ, which would have accelerated this even faster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    cson wrote: »
    I hope its remembered at election time.

    There is optimism for you! They will buy us off with something else.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 63 ✭✭flange888


    Jack1985 wrote:
    Aer Lingus proposing 25% reduction in workforce (875 job losses) and will be unable to maintain current pay rates (already -50% at all grades) for Winter 2021/22, it wasn't confirmed if this meant the remaining workforce would be furloughed on Gov shoulders. It says this is the reality if no Summer season can be recovered this year.

    Jack1985 wrote:
    This would see the Aer Lingus workforce already having already reduced from 4,500 to circa 3,500 through a mixture of redundancies, part time, career breaks and voluntary severance, reducing further by 25% to circa 2,600.

    Jack1985 wrote:
    Pilots, Cabin Crew and Ground Operations will bear the brunt, devastating news.


    Hi Jack, just wondering if you could share where this was reported?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    flange888 wrote: »
    Hi Jack, just wondering if you could share where this was reported?

    By the union


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    flange888 wrote: »
    Hi Jack, just wondering if you could share where this was reported?

    There’s a few Air Lingus pilots on Twitter have confirmed it after a call with the unions this morning!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    It’s desperately disappointing news for everyone at the airline and for the business itself of course, all the growth and success achieved over the past 5 years all undone.

    The pandemic was obviously going to result in some shrinkage but this was quietly expected to be temporary, and in many cases it has been, a number of US carriers for example are rapidly bouncing back and I have no doubt we’ll see the start of the same across Europe towards the tail end of this summer season but for Ireland, aviation has been wilfully left behind by its government, aided by a hysterical media fuelled by a Facebook obsessed culture.

    There seems to be zero interest from anyone in power to support aviation, in fact they continue to dismiss and discourage.

    There’s no guarantee that Aer Lingus UK will be a success, without it, the overall business has a real battle ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    That’s a way nice for some staff to know this through boards.ie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Nibs05 wrote: »
    That’s a way nice for some staff to know this through boards.ie.

    Imagine how they feel when Gov TD's have been ad libbing about their futures for months.

    EI has repeatedly warned of the consequences for months of operating at -95%.


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Imagine how they feel when Gov TD's have been ad libbing about their futures for months.

    EI has repeatedly warned of the consequences for months of operating at -95%.

    Indeed but I would like to see a official email from the union or Aer Lingus not a post that has people now worried, as far as I can see nobody I know has received any email. Feel free to pm me with any evidence you have to back it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    I feel it's important to point out that Aer Lingus have not communicated anything of this nature to employees. It has come from some misinterpretation of what was said in a union meeting.
    It is likely that Aer Lingus are stating these kind of figures to Union bosses as a worst case scenario. Union bosses are looking at ways to avoid this via further reducing salaries and temporary lay offs etc. if needs be, but absolutely nothing has been actually decided.
    That said, the situation is obviously bleak and this misinformation is causing considerable stress to employees in all sections.
    It is not too late to salvage some form of Summer operation that could prevent all of this but it would require a serious U turn by government so it's unlikely to happen unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    It is likely that Aer Lingus are stating these kind of figures to Union bosses as a worst case scenario.

    That is exactly what I was told. Worst case scenario by 2 EI pilots.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I feel it's important to point out that Aer Lingus have not communicated anything of this nature to employees. It has come from some misinterpretation of what was said in a union meeting.
    It is likely that Aer Lingus are stating these kind of figures to Union bosses as a worst case scenario. Union bosses are looking at ways to avoid this via further reducing salaries and temporary lay offs etc. if needs be, but absolutely nothing has been actually decided.
    That said, the situation is obviously bleak and this misinformation is causing considerable stress to employees in all sections.
    It is not too late to salvage some form of Summer operation that could prevent all of this but it would require a serious U turn by government so it's unlikely to happen unfortunately.

    My thoughts exactly. Had heard the forecast from 2 seperate EI mates (one pilot, one cabin crew)
    I think that grim forecast is certainly a possibility if there is no travel in late summer. I'm guessing it's based on previous statements from members of the Govt indicating "no foreign travel" until 2022.
    Unfortunately such Union-mgmt planning meetings have to be realistic about possible future operations.


    Irish Times today does however have a couple of more positive sounding articles regarding "summer reopening"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    If you'd have said to me 12 months ago that employment would go from 4,500 to 3,500 that salaries would be cut by 50% and in some instances down as far -75% (albeit being recovered somewhat) I would have that you were being particularly pessimistic.

    The reality is EI have no tangible opportunity to plan for recovery, no dates whatsoever to try and feed a meaningful recovery. I honestly cannot see the operation rising to any sort of a meaningful level with the current status quo. The reality is the worst outcome may be reality indeed without a gear change in Government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    If you'd have said to me 12 months ago that employment would go from 4,500 to 3,500 that salaries would be cut by 50% and in some instances down as far -75% (albeit being recovered somewhat) I would have that you were being particularly pessimistic.

    The reality is EI have no tangible opportunity to plan for recovery, no dates whatsoever to try and feed a meaningful recovery. I honestly cannot see the operation rising to any sort of a meaningful level with the current status quo. The reality is the worst outcome may be reality indeed without a gear change in Government.

    Spot on - the light is that there will be a lot of pent up demand so you’d hope it will bounce back to a decent %


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,917 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Spot on - the light is that there will be a lot of pent up demand so you’d hope it will bounce back to a decent %

    Serious pent up demand to be unleashed. I read that the average household has seen their disposable savings increase by 12% through the pandemic (2% more than in the UK) and the vast majority have not had a holiday in so long...you'd have to assume there'll be a big surge for flights when the opportunity arises.

    Good news is they seem to be speeding up reopening plans but we have yet to see anything concrete on aviation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Serious pent up demand to be unleashed. I read that the average household has seen their disposable savings increase by 12% through the pandemic (2% more than in the UK) and the vast majority have not had a holiday in so long...you'd have to assume there'll be a big surge for flights when the opportunity arises.

    Good news is they seem to be speeding up reopening plans but we have yet to see anything concrete on aviation.

    Personally I would have taken 5 trips which I didn’t do due to Covid, reckon if I could I would do about 3 now this year. It’s still a lot of list revenue but once people have believe they can travel in Q3/4 the cash will start rolling in for airlines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Blue in the face saying it, but there's a ton of demand from the US to be captured if only the Government could figure out a strategy to enable Aer Lingus (and the Irish tourism industry in general) to do that. Bookings for Greece (who took a lead on this) from the US are supposedly very high.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Serious pent up demand to be unleashed. I read that the average household has seen their disposable savings increase by 12% through the pandemic (2% more than in the UK) and the vast majority have not had a holiday in so long...you'd have to assume there'll be a big surge for flights when the opportunity arises.

    Good news is they seem to be speeding up reopening plans but we have yet to see anything concrete on aviation.

    Hopefully for the airlines there’ll be added winter-sun and ski demand this winter season


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    Other EU countries saying they'll let the yanks in unrestricted so long as they've been fully vaccinated, hopefully our Government will do the same....the data is very promising, even with the variants. Israel had 8 fully vaccinated people still get the infection from the South African variant as I recall. All were asymptomatic, and thats out of a vaccinated population of 7 million....

    It looks like the Brits' gamble of getting as many first doses into people as quickly as possible at the expense of getting second doses into people is paying off. Another few weeks of hard data from that will hopefully cause NPHET to follow suit. Even taking our industry out of the equation it reduces cases and crucially deaths from the data so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭cson


    France opening to Americans from June 9th.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210429/latest-france-set-to-reopen-borders-to-american-tourists-from-june-9th/

    Tourist that could have been captured by us.

    Now god knows what state EI will be in once all is said and done.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    cson wrote: »
    France opening to Americans from June 9th.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20210429/latest-france-set-to-reopen-borders-to-american-tourists-from-june-9th/

    Tourist that could have been captured by us.

    Now god knows what state EI will be in once all is said and done.

    EI can offer flights to France via Dublin.

    And Ireland never closed to US visitors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    Where were the US tourists going to go with Garda checkpoints and the country closed.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    basill wrote: »
    Where were the US tourists going to go with Garda checkpoints and the country closed.

    Well, no-where to be honest.(which is why the social media stories of "1000s of American roaming the country" have annoyed me)
    But plenty of US visitors were able to fly in a visit family. Obviously this number would be a trickle compared to normal times.

    European countries "opening for US visitors" might sound more dramatic than it actually is.
    While they are open they may not be attractive to tourists.

    But of course it would be great to see Irish Govt extend a welcome to try capture a chunk of any renewed US tourism market. EI at 3 routes are a shadow of their previous plan for 2020 of 16-17 daily departures.


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