How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

FrancieBrady · 31-05-2020 11:18pm

Edgware wrote: »

"when the work begins in earnest"?
They are the ones pushing for a border poll but still they want someone else to do the heavy lifting.

It won't matter what SF say come the time, unless they are the government, as it will be the government not a single party that will be making the case for it.

31-05-2020 11:21pm

downcow wrote: »

Would you be up for a nationwide discussion on options for the island going forward. Eg rejoining uk, joining commonwealth, roi leaving eu with the uk, Northern Ireland committing to next 200 years as part of uk, independent ni and uniting the island for the first time in history?
Don’t ask unionists to be part of a UI discussion unless absolutely everything is on the table.

Ya....put them on the table (personally wouldnt be in favour/see benefit in any of them and it fall upon unionists to win people around to it)

But yeah,its long since time,a proper national discussion was had and what safegaurds unionists want in a utd ireland (personally im.in favour of another bank holiday for july 12th

and seriously examining prospect of moving capital to belfast)

FrancieBrady · 31-05-2020 11:22pm

downcow wrote: »

Would you be up for a nationwide discussion on options for the island going forward. Eg rejoining uk, joining commonwealth, roi leaving eu with the uk, Northern Ireland committing to next 200 years as part of uk, independent ni and uniting the island for the first time in history?
Don’t ask unionists to be part of a UI discussion unless absolutely everything is on the table.

It won't be a barter situation, Unionists have already agreed that the process is after a vote. You won't be offered stuff to keep you 'peaceful' if that is what you are implying.

downcow · 01-06-2020 5:20am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So you want to tear up the GFA is it?

Why would we leave the EU?

I am not saying I want any of the suggestions. I am simply pointing out that it would be rediculous for unionists to enter discussions on a hypothetical UI. Equally as rediculous as republicans entering a discussion on maintaining NIs position in the uk permanently.
It would be like asking turkeys to enter discussion on improving the range of stuffings available at Christmas

downcow · 01-06-2020 5:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ya....put them on the table (personally wouldnt be in favour/see benefit in any of them and it fall upon unionists to win people around to it)

But yeah,its long since time,a proper national discussion was had and what safegaurds unionists want in a utd ireland (personally im.in favour of another bank holiday for july 12th and seriously examining prospect of moving capital to belfast)

That’s fair comment. And I’d be up for discussing what safeguards nationalists would want, to accept NI as a country they can fully and permanently commit to and feel ownership of. (personally im.in favour of bank holiday for March 17th

and seriously examining prospect of moving capital to Armagh)

Brendan Bendar · 01-06-2020 7:29am

maccored wrote: »

its not up to the shinners to outline what a UI is - its up to everyone on the island. the first thing to do is discuss it, and SF have regularly called for a nationwide discussion on the subject

They have done nothing else.

munsterlegend · 01-06-2020 8:07am

downcow wrote: »

I am not saying I want any of the suggestions. I am simply pointing out that it would be rediculous for unionists to enter discussions on a hypothetical UI. Equally as rediculous as republicans entering a discussion on maintaining NIs position in the uk permanently.
It would be like asking turkeys to enter discussion on improving the range of stuffings available at Christmas

There is a considerable difference though. There is virtually 0 support for the republic joining the U.K. two of the biggest 5 parties in the north are pro unification. Given the changing demographics it would be lunacy for unionism to bury their heads in the sand especially given how Westminster has effectively said you ain’t the same as us really by leaving it in the EU.

jh79 · 01-06-2020 8:18am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It won't be a barter situation, Unionists have already agreed that the process is after a vote. You won't be offered stuff to keep you 'peaceful' if that is what you are implying.

Why not, sure the GFA did the same for Republicans. Jobs for the boys for accepting partition , community workers, SPADs etc. 20 + years of virtually no progress and not a hint of dissent.

British SF now have a different policy on abortion to Irish SF. Seem to be getting rather comfortable with partition.

01-06-2020 8:43am

downcow wrote: »

That’s fair comment. And I’d be up for discussing what safeguards nationalists would want, to accept NI as a country they can fully and permanently commit to and feel ownership of. (personally im.in favour of bank holiday for March 17th and seriously examining prospect of moving capital to Armagh)

The thing is,they've tried NI as a country (hasnt and wont work)and unionists will piss over any concessions to nationlists anyway.....

Its there 100 years and unionists still think so little of nationlists,they wont give a irish language act and their elected representives,just sneer at it....time to pull the plug

downcow · 01-06-2020 10:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

The thing is,they've tried NI as a country (hasnt and wont work)and unionists will piss over any concessions to nationlists anyway.....

Its there 100 years and unionists still think so little of nationlists,they wont give a irish language act and their elected representives,just sneer at it....time to pull the plug

Well of course you are talking nonsense. Both sides have shown little respect to each other, or to each other's culture, identity and sense of belonging. There is no one side to blame for all of this.

But thankfully it has all been decided, and unless you want to start renegotiating GFA it is very clear. You can jump up and down all you wish, but until there is a majority of people in both jurisdictions who want to try a truly united Island for the first time in history, then it cant happen. And I know it must be very depressing for you that we have had endless predictions over the decades that there would very soon be majority wanting to try this United Island project and yet it seems to keep moving further away from you. The bold Gerry predicted it would be done and dusted by 2016

I have not read the GFA for a very long time, but some of you are expert in it. Could you tell me if this hypothetical situation arose, is it a case that the Republic of Ireland simply absorbs Northern Ireland or do the two countries have to talk about how they unite and what that looks like? Just curious

01-06-2020 10:54am

downcow wrote: »

Well of course you are talking nonsense. Both sides have shown little respect to each other, or to each other's culture, identity and sense of belonging. There is no one side to blame for all of this.

A few uncomfortable home truths isnt nonsense (unionists have run north for 100 years and have only sneered,poured scorn on those they needed to convince to make union secure,no point in blaming anyone else,check.the mirror mate)

But thankfully it has all been decided, and unless you want to start renegotiating GFA it is very clear. You can jump up and down all you wish, but until there is a majority of people in both jurisdictions who want to try a truly united Island for the first time in history, then it cant happen. And I know it must be very depressing for you that we have had endless predictions over the decades that there would very soon be majority wanting to try this United Island project and yet it seems to keep moving further away from you. The bold Gerry predicted it would be done and dusted by 2016

You were quiet keen 2 posts ago.to open the gfa and demand x,y and z,despite it not being in it...how is that??

I have not read the GFA for a very long time, but some of you are expert in it. Could you tell me if this hypothetical situation arose, is it a case that the Republic of Ireland simply absorbs Northern Ireland or do the two countries have to talk about how they unite and what that looks like? Just curious

Its literally just 32 pages,its early yet,read away mate

It allows for a border poll,your demanded negociations are entierly hypothectical (imo,they should have them)

Indeed,if your so sure of a border poll failing,put it to electorate and see

Brendan Bendar · 01-06-2020 10:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

The thing is,they've tried NI as a country (hasnt and wont work)and unionists will piss over any concessions to nationlists anyway.....

Its there 100 years and unionists still think so little of nationlists,they wont give a irish language act and their elected representives,just sneer at it....time to pull the plug

If the so called ‘nationalists’ in the South give so little respect to the Irish language, they can hardly be surprised when the Unionists push back against it.

I am very proud of the Irish language but ramming it down people’s throats will never work.

You either want it or you don’t.

Big deficit in reality here, folks.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 10:57am

downcow wrote: »

Well of course you are talking nonsense. Both sides have shown little respect to each other, or to each other's culture, identity and sense of belonging. There is no one side to blame for all of this.

But thankfully it has all been decided, and unless you want to start renegotiating GFA it is very clear. You can jump up and down all you wish, but until there is a majority of people in both jurisdictions who want to try a truly united Island for the first time in history, then it cant happen. And I know it must be very depressing for you that we have had endless predictions over the decades that there would very soon be majority wanting to try this United Island project and yet it seems to keep moving further away from you. The bold Gerry predicted it would be done and dusted by 2016

I have not read the GFA for a very long time, but some of you are expert in it. Could you tell me if this hypothetical situation arose, is it a case that the Republic of Ireland simply absorbs Northern Ireland or do the two countries have to talk about how they unite and what that looks like? Just curious

It won't be a veto situation downcow like the EU talks, were either side gets to flounce off in a huff if not getting their way.

That is why it would be utterly suicidal for any side not to take part in the discussions which I think you have said you would be infavour of doing.

There will be a 'white paper' which will basically be the proposal for a UI that we will vote for or against. If you aren't in the negotiations about that then you can't win.

01-06-2020 10:58am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If the so called ‘nationalists’ in the South give so little respect to the Irish language, they can hardly be surprised when the Unionists push back against it.

I am very proud of the Irish language but ramming it down people’s throats will never work.

You either want it or you don’t.

Big deficit in reality here, folks.

So called nationlists is right,pouring scorn on our language and sports,dont make someone a nationlist

Unionists think so little of them,they cant even compromise and give a irish language act,100 years in existance and this is reality of those elected to run NI....it deosnt work,and has been by any metric a failure as a country

Powersharing has been a pointless exercise,an inability to.contence so much as a language act,shows the pure pointlessness of this pretend government,the old dungarvan town council had as much power as stormont

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 10:59am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If the so called ‘nationalists’ in the South give so little respect to the Irish language, they can hardly be surprised when the Unionists push back against it.

I am very proud of the Irish language but ramming it down people’s throats will never work.

You either want it or you don’t.

Big deficit in reality here, folks.

It was not being rammed down people's throats.

downcow · 01-06-2020 11:03am

Deleted User wrote: »

A few uncomfortable home truths isnt nonsense (unionists have run north for 100 years and have only sneered,poured scorn on those they needed to convince to make union secure,no point in blaming anyone else,check.the mirror mate)

You were quiet keen 2 posts ago.to open the gfa and demand x,y and z,despite it not being in it...how is that??

Its literally just 32 pages,its early yet,read away mate

It allows for a border poll,your demanded negociations are entierly hypothectical (imo,they should have them)

Indeed,if your so sure of a border poll failing,put it to electorate and see

My response to your three very pathetic points above

I have held the mirror up and accepted that my community have shown very little respect for nationalist culture and identity. It's you that needs to hold the mirror up and accept your community has done the same to Unionist culture and identity.

Show me where I was "quiet keen 2 posts ago.to open the gfa and demand x,y and z,despite it not being in it"

I have never asked for negotiations. It is my view that the GFA must be implemented if the conditions are met re- voting. After it is implemented then my community is free to democratically work to get as much autonomy as possible from the rest of the island.

Brendan Bendar · 01-06-2020 11:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was not being rammed down people's throats.

Joanne Bunting and Edwin Poots might disagree Francesco...and those who voted for them.

downcow · 01-06-2020 11:07am

Deleted User wrote: »

So called nationlists is right,pouring scorn on our language and sports,dont make someone a nationlist

Unionists think so little of them,they cant even compromise and give a irish language act,100 years in existance and this is reality of those elected to run NI....it deosnt work,and has been by any metric a failure as a country

Powersharing has been a pointless exercise,an inability to.contence so much as a language act,shows the pure pointlessness of this pretend government,the old dungarvan town council had as much power as stormont

Unionists do not work well with airy fairy fudges.
I have asked many times in reference to Irish language a few simple yes no questions. But to make it really simple here I will narrow it down to one simple question.
Would this Irish language act require the placing Irish language signage in areas where the vast majority of residents or employees did not want them? Simple question!

01-06-2020 11:07am

downcow wrote: »

My response to your three very pathetic points above

I have held the mirror up and accepted that my community have shown very little respect for nationalist culture and identity. It's you that needs to hold the mirror up and accept your community has done the same to Unionist culture and identity.

Nothing patethic about pointing out unionists think so little of nationlists,100 years in and refuse to do so
Indeed,why if they need nationlists to secure the union have they actively worked to alienate them??

They have only themselves to blame for time running out on the union

Show me where I was "quiet keen 2 posts ago.to open the gfa and demand x,y and z,despite it not being in it"

I have never asked for negotiations. It is my view that the GFA must be implemented if the conditions are met re- voting. After it is implemented then my community is free to democratically work to get as much autonomy as possible from the rest of the island.

You wanted ireland to leave the eu as part of a reunifaction and join commonwealth (why??)....your posts are there for all to see??

You wantes everything to be on table and discussed,now you claim you dont want negociations???lol mate

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 11:07am

A timely bit of introspection from a Unionist...is it too little too late though?

https://sluggerotoole.com/2020/05/31/unionism-needs-a-reformation-of-its-own-one-that-turns-it-into-a-movement-that-is-fit-for-the-modern-era/

The conclusion is a pretty stark choice.

It’s difficult not to feel that with the erosion of political Unionism the link between Great Britain and Northern Ireland might actually be stronger. Political Unionism has disillusioned the Northern Ireland public of all political shades and has resulted in many Unionists turning away from politics. Unionism needs a Reformation of its own, one that turns it into a movement that is fit for the modern era, that is open and inclusive and really sells the benefit of the Union rather than opposing every single thing it is confronted with until such times that it has to in effect suck them up.

downcow · 01-06-2020 11:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

You wanted ireland to leave the eu as part of a reunifaction and join commonwealth (why??)....your posts are there for all to see??

You wantes everything to be on table and discussed,now you claim you dont want negociations???lol mate

Nonsense. Provide the evidence.

My point about stuff on the table was in response to a few posters on here continually crying to begin negotiations about what a united Ireland might look like. I have pointed out that that is a nonsense as the GFA deals with it if it happens. In the meantime if anyone demands negotiations then of course everything must be on the table.

You are spinning and twisting but I think other posters can see what is going on

01-06-2020 11:10am

downcow wrote: »

Unionists do not work well with airy fairy fudges.
I have asked many times in reference to Irish language a few simple yes no questions. But to make it really simple here I will narrow it down to one simple question.
Would this Irish language act require the placing Irish language signage in areas where the vast majority of residents or employees did not want them? Simple question!

Yes on public property...its a harmless compromise?

The fact yous think so little of nationlists,that you dont want this,is entirely on you and noone else

01-06-2020 11:12am

downcow wrote: »

Nonsense. Provide the evidence.

My point about stuff on the table was in response to a few posters on here continually crying to begin negotiations about what a united Ireland might look like. I have pointed out that that is a nonsense as the GFA deals with it if it happens. In the meantime if anyone demands negotiations then of course everything must be on the table.

You are spinning and twisting but I think other posters can see what is going on

downcow wrote: »

Would you be up for a nationwide discussion on options for the island going forward. Eg rejoining uk, joining commonwealth, roi leaving eu with the uk, Northern Ireland committing to next 200 years as part of uk, independent ni and uniting the island for the first time in history?
Don’t ask unionists to be part of a UI discussion unless absolutely everything is on the table.

Indeed....they can see,who is lying here

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 11:12am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Joanne Bunting and Edwin Poots might disagree Francesco...and those who voted for them.

I asked you, do you think the ILA was going to 'shove Irish' down anyone's throats?

downcow · 01-06-2020 11:16am

Deleted User wrote: »

Indeed....they can see,who is lying here

And everyone can see that my comment was in direct response to this.
Originally Posted by maccored View Post
its not up to the shinners to outline what a UI is - its up to everyone on the island. the first thing to do is discuss it, and SF have regularly called for a nationwide discussion on the subject

01-06-2020 11:19am

downcow wrote: »

And everyone can see that my comment was in direct response to this.
Originally Posted by maccored View Post
its not up to the shinners to outline what a UI is - its up to everyone on the island. the first thing to do is discuss it, and SF have regularly called for a nationwide discussion on the subject

So,youve gone from you dont want negociations,to now saying ya do :pac:

If nothing else,your some craic

downcow · 01-06-2020 11:44am

Deleted User wrote: »

So,youve gone from you dont want negociations,to now saying ya do :pac:

If nothing else,your some craic

Blaaz. I think you know well what you are at. Can you show me anywhere I have suggested negotiations.
Let me be really clear for you. I don't believe Unionists should ever enter negotiations on a UI prior to a successful vote by both jurisdictions.

Any comment I have made on negotiations is simply a challenge to the few Republicans on here who cry continually about wanting Unionists to negotiate about a new Ireland - simply because they know they cannot win the vote. I have said to them that if they want to talk about all possibilities for the future of this piece of land then I would not be opposed to Unionists discussing. But absolutely not a situation where discussions are a one-way street

downcow · 01-06-2020 11:49am

downcow wrote: »

Unionists do not work well with airy fairy fudges.
I have asked many times in reference to Irish language a few simple yes no questions. But to make it really simple here I will narrow it down to one simple question.
Would this Irish language act require the placing Irish language signage in areas where the vast majority of residents or employees did not want them? Simple question!

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes on public property...its a harmless compromise?

Well at least Blaaz is honest on this one. This is the reason we cannot countenance an Irish language act. This is just one of many questions I could ask which would demonstrate how this would be used to wind us up.
A few on here may disagree, but this is exactly the same as loyalist parades in Catholic areas - which of course no longer take place.
This would be so divisive. Every Unionist area you went into, signs would be defaced and you would know exactly where you were by how the compulsory irish signs were treated.
This request for Irish language signs everywhere is from the same people who were so insistent to remove the union flag from public buildings.
You really couldn't make it up - the hypocrisy.

This is also why you will find that every single Unionist party in Northern Ireland from the most extreme to the most moderate as opposed to an Irish language act - we simply do not trust them

Edgware · 01-06-2020 12:01pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

They have done nothing else.

They have done nothing.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 12:02pm

downcow wrote: »

Well at least Blaaz is honest on this one. This is the reason we cannot countenance an Irish language act. This is just one of many questions I could ask which would demonstrate how this would be used to wind us up.
A few on here may disagree, but this is exactly the same as loyalist parades in Catholic areas - which of course no longer take place.
This would be so divisive. Every Unionist area you went into, signs would be defaced and you would know exactly where you were by how the compulsory irish signs were treated.
This request for Irish language signs everywhere is from the same people who were so insistent to remove the union flag from public buildings.
You really couldn't make it up - the hypocrisy.

This is also why you will find that every single Unionist party in Northern Ireland from the most extreme to the most moderate as opposed to an Irish language act - we simply do not trust them

There were never going to be 'compulsory' Irish signs. That was a concession and deference to your cultural insecurities.

Edgware · 01-06-2020 12:03pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It won't matter what SF say come the time, unless they are the government, as it will be the government not a single party that will be making the case for it.

So they wont do anything that might influence people towards the idea until they get a border poll. Typical of them. They havent two brains to rub together

Edgware · 01-06-2020 12:06pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There were never going to be 'compulsory' Irish signs. That was a concession and deference to your cultural insecurities.

In other words the Shinners could claim that they got a great victory in having an Irish Language Act passed but there would be no visible use of Irish.
Knowing the pathetic level of Irish among their leaders maybe its just as well. Tiocfaidh ar la will get them through most meetings

munsterlegend · 01-06-2020 12:10pm

Edgware wrote: »

So they wont do anything that might influence people towards the idea until they get a border poll. Typical of them. They havent two brains to rub together

So a party who was banned from the airwaves not so long ago and now the largest on the island are brainless? Keyboard warrior you are!

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 12:15pm

Edgware wrote: »

So they wont do anything that might influence people towards the idea until they get a border poll. Typical of them. They havent two brains to rub together

I was laughing at the idea that you would be sitting there waiting to be convinced by a party you have a hate of.

That, as you know will never happen.

The border poll when it comes will have a proposal as the formulation of it...same as the GFA asked if we wanted to change the constitution.

That will be a proposal coming from the Irish government of the time. It wont be 'Edgware agin the Shinners'.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 12:18pm

Edgware wrote: »

In other words the Shinners could claim that they got a great victory in having an Irish Language Act passed but there would be no visible use of Irish.
Knowing the pathetic level of Irish among their leaders maybe its just as well. Tiocfaidh ar la will get them through most meetings

It might surprise you to know that the Irish language is already visible across official signage in counties like Fermanagh and Tyrone for a good few years.
There have been no recorded deaths by seizure of Unionists on seeing it, as far as I know.
Defibrillators and resuscitation equipment is on stand by though.

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jm08 · 01-06-2020 12:20pm

Edgware wrote: »

In other words the Shinners could claim that they got a great victory in having an Irish Language Act passed but there would be no visible use of Irish.
Knowing the pathetic level of Irish among their leaders maybe its just as well. Tiocfaidh ar la will get them through most meetings

From what I recall, motorways and main routes would have dual language signage and that this signage would not be introduced in one go but only when upgrading signage. Local areas would vote for the signage they wanted. Irish was not going to be compulsory in schools, but the BBC would need to put some resources into it (or maybe they might just broadcast TG4 in NI).

jm08 · 01-06-2020 12:24pm

downcow wrote: »

This is just one of many questions I could ask which would demonstrate how this would be used to wind us up.

How is it possible that an inanimate sign would wind you up?

Madeleine Birchfield · 01-06-2020 12:29pm

Sinn Fein ought to wait until the UK falls apart or Westminster decides to stop funding Northern Ireland before asking for a border poll, both of which I could see happening in the near future. Northern Ireland isn't viable as an independent country.

Edgware · 01-06-2020 12:55pm

munsterlegend wrote: »

So a party who was banned from the airwaves not so long ago and now the largest on the island are brainless? Keyboard warrior you are!

Not completely brainless, they have the ability to plagiarise Jack and the Beanstalk economic policy of the use of magic beans

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 12:59pm

Edgware wrote: »

Not completely brainless, they have the ability to plagiarise Jack and the Beanstalk economic policy of the use of magic beans

'Plagiarise' you say?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/historic-deal-based-on-the-policies-of-excluded-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4229003

Brendan Bendar · 01-06-2020 1:39pm

Hmm..... wonder how long will the shadowy puppet-masters from the wind swept hills continue to pull the strings of the puppets in the show box.

Folk with skin in the game, ie something to lose , will always be wary of the shadowy figures in the background.

Long way to go before that piece of rotten meat has been excised.

That’s the long and the short of it.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 1:46pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmm..... wonder how long will the shadowy puppet-masters from the wind swept hills continue to pull the strings of the puppets in the show box.

Folk with skin in the game, ie something to lose , will always be wary of the shadowy figures in the background.

Long way to go before that piece of rotten meat has been excised.

That’s the long and the short of it.

The DUP way Brendan? Ignore it and it might go away?

That hoary old nonsense got old in the lead up to the election.

01-06-2020 1:51pm

downcow wrote: »

Well at least Blaaz is honest on this one. This is the reason we cannot countenance an Irish language act. This is just one of many questions I could ask which would demonstrate how this would be used to wind us up.
A few on here may disagree, but this is exactly the same as loyalist parades in Catholic areas - which of course no longer take place.
This would be so divisive. Every Unionist area you went into, signs would be defaced and you would know exactly where you were by how the compulsory irish signs were treated.
This request for Irish language signs everywhere is from the same people who were so insistent to remove the union flag from public buildings.
You really couldn't make it up - the hypocrisy.

This is also why you will find that every single Unionist party in Northern Ireland from the most extreme to the most moderate as opposed to an Irish language act - we simply do not trust them

As i said,you think so little of nationlists,you cant stomach an irish language act (equating it to having uvf banners walking through catholics areas,only serves to highlight your disgust at all.things irish)

Little wonder time has run out on your union....

NI has been a complete and utter failure,unionists have failed to make nationlists welcome,and demographics have ultimately caught up.....

an irish language act,ultimately harms noone,but refusal to contence one has just highlighted the utter failure of NI,unionism and powersharing....pull the plug,nothing ever gonna change otherwise

01-06-2020 1:53pm

Edgware wrote: »

Not completely brainless, they have the ability to plagiarise Jack and the Beanstalk economic policy of the use of magic beans

Given the way,the ECB just magiced up 750 billion last week,way stockmarkets are performing

only serves to highlight,how complete and utterly corrupt,the whole system is

Madeleine Birchfield · 01-06-2020 1:55pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As i said,you think so little of nationlists,you cant stomach an irish language act (equating it to having uvf banners walking through catholics areas,only serves to highlight your disgust at all.things irish)

Little wonder time has run out on your union....

NI has been a complete and utter failure,unionists have failed to make nationlists welcome,and demographics have ultimately caught up.....

an irish language act,ultimately harms noone,but refusal to contence one has just highlighted the utter failure of NI,unionism and powersharing....pull the plug,nothing ever gonna change otherwise

I wonder how the Unionists would react when the rest of the UK throws them under the bus. All of a sudden an Irish Language Act looks minor compared to economic catastrophe.

See also: Brexit, covid-19

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 1:58pm

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

I wonder how the Unionists would react when the rest of the UK throws them under the bus. All of a sudden an Irish Language Act looks minor compared to economic catastrophe.

See also: Brexit, covid-19

The truth of the matter that belligerent Unionism won't publicly address is that the rest of the UK thinks that fishing is more important than a Union with NI in it.

Madeleine Birchfield · 01-06-2020 2:07pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The truth of the matter that belligerent Unionism won't publicly address is that the rest of the UK thinks that fishing is more important than a Union with NI in it.

Unionists allowed abortion and gay marriage to be passed in Northern Ireland because it viewed its Unionism to be more important than either of the two social issues.

downcow · 01-06-2020 2:11pm

jm08 wrote: »

How is it possible that an inanimate sign would wind you up?

I guess it is the same reason an inanimate flag on the city hall wound so many nationalists up.

downcow · 01-06-2020 2:16pm

Of course you also see the problem on the last few pages. Some republicans say they will only be Irish language signs where the community wants them (whatever that means) and others are saying they will be in all areas and unionists will just have to suck it up.
And that’s the situation on many other questions eg will someone be able to stand trial in orish?
And you expect us to support this vague notion

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 2:24pm

downcow wrote: »

I guess it is the same reason an inanimate flag on the city hall wound so many nationalists up.

It isn't 'inanimate' when it is used to taunt and triumphalise or abnormally. Once again Unionism lost it's **** over something that is perceived to be 'normal' in the rest of the UK..emphasising that they are different to the rest of the UK.

The existence of dual language signs in Fermanagh and Omagh where there are many Unionists shows that they are non-threatening and an enhancement to the area.

How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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