How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

People voted for them, my friend, people voted for them.

You need to establish that piece of reality before before the shadowy figures from the windswept hills screw the place up again.

Those shadowy figures don’t give two hoots about your job or mine or anyone else’s.

Think.

And because of those you feel there's a validity to their brand of bigotry and hatred?

Say the KKK stood candidates would you be so quick to say "People voted for them"?

Beligerent-Bigoted-Unionism's day is done. And it has no place in a modern society.

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I was laughing at the idea that you would be sitting there waiting to be convinced by a party you have a hate of.

That, as you know will never happen.

The border poll when it comes will have a proposal as the formulation of it...same as the GFA asked if we wanted to change the constitution.

That will be a proposal coming from the Irish government of the time. It wont be 'Edgware agin the Shinners'.

I havent a hate of them. I just laugh when I see the make believe republican useful idiots being led up the garden path by the fishwife while ex republican Scapaticci is off enjoying himself in the sun.

Brendan Bendar

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And they're the standard by which we should measure unionists and their requirements?

Beligerent bigots like them have no place in Ireland's future. Giving them oxygen doesn't help anyone.

People voted for them, my friend, people voted for them.

You need to establish that piece of reality before before the shadowy figures from the windswept hills screw the place up again.

Those shadowy figures don’t give two hoots about your job or mine or anyone else’s.

Think.

StackSteevens wrote: »

Now that, as Francie has helpfully confirmed, FG and FF are implementing SF policies, there's obviously no further requirement whatsoever for SF to participate in Southern politics.

I asume that Big Mac will shortly be moving a motion to wind up the Southern Chapter of the party on the basis that "ár lá" has now "toichfaidh-ed".

Watch FF and FG make a complete hames of it or as it more usual...completely revert to type once they get in the comfy seats.

StackSteevens

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Plagiarise' you say?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/historic-deal-based-on-the-policies-of-excluded-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4229003

Now that, as Francie has helpfully confirmed, FG and FF are implementing SF policies, there's obviously no further requirement whatsoever for SF to participate in Southern politics.

I asume that Big Mac will shortly be moving a motion to wind up the Southern Chapter of the party on the basis that "ár lá" has now "toichfaidh-ed".

downcow wrote: »

Well at least Blaaz is honest on this one. This is the reason we cannot countenance an Irish language act. This is just one of many questions I could ask which would demonstrate how this would be used to wind us up.
A few on here may disagree, but this is exactly the same as loyalist parades in Catholic areas - which of course no longer take place.
This would be so divisive. Every Unionist area you went into, signs would be defaced and you would know exactly where you were by how the compulsory irish signs were treated.
This request for Irish language signs everywhere is from the same people who were so insistent to remove the union flag from public buildings.
You really couldn't make it up - the hypocrisy.

This is also why you will find that every single Unionist party in Northern Ireland from the most extreme to the most moderate as opposed to an Irish language act - we simply do not trust them

No matter how many times you say it it is not the same.

Your fear of the fada is pathetic.

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The removal of the Union flag from public buildings was to bring Northern Ireland into line WITH THE REST OF THE UK regarding its display.

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Felt that needed to be reiterated and removed from your whataboutery pile.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Joanne Bunting and Edwin Poots might disagree Francesco...and those who voted for them.

And they're the standard by which we should measure unionists and their requirements?

Beligerent bigots like them have no place in Ireland's future. Giving them oxygen doesn't help anyone.

downcow wrote: »

I am not saying I want any of the suggestions. I am simply pointing out that it would be rediculous for unionists to enter discussions on a hypothetical UI. Equally as rediculous as republicans entering a discussion on maintaining NIs position in the uk permanently.
It would be like asking turkeys to enter discussion on improving the range of stuffings available at Christmas

What?

The GFA provides for the roadmap to a border poll for a UI already.

Unionists have signed up to that.

Why would you not want to enter negotiations on a UI in the run up to a border poll?

It's too late for making demands. Your job is to show that the status quo is better than a UI. The days of demanding concessions are over.

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

Would the Unionists allow Counites Fermanagh and Tyrone to be annexed by the RoI so that the Unionists keep their majority in Northern Ireland? After all one of the suggestion for partition in 1921 was a 4-county Ulster.

NI deosnt work,split/redesign it,whatever way you want....it still wont work.....powersharing was a great hope/prospect,but its been an utter failure and wont ever work either

Its been a failure,rejigging it,to have unionists lord it over nationlists like they did 1922 to 1969 in a smaller area,is only gonna end the same way again?

Just pull the plug,and reunify....its only reasonable choice left,from.what i can see

Would the Unionists allow Counites Fermanagh and Tyrone to be annexed by the RoI so that the Unionists keep their majority in Northern Ireland? After all one of the suggestion for partition in 1921 was a 4-county Ulster.

downcow wrote: »

Of course you also see the problem on the last few pages. Some republicans say they will only be Irish language signs where the community wants them (whatever that means) and others are saying they will be in all areas and unionists will just have to suck it up.
And that’s the situation on many other questions eg will someone be able to stand trial in orish?
And you expect us to support this vague notion

Maybe read the proposed act? It was never going to be complusory.

downcow wrote: »

I guess it is the same reason an inanimate flag on the city hall wound so many nationalists up.

It isn't 'inanimate' when it is used to taunt and triumphalise or abnormally. Once again Unionism lost it's **** over something that is perceived to be 'normal' in the rest of the UK..emphasising that they are different to the rest of the UK.

The existence of dual language signs in Fermanagh and Omagh where there are many Unionists shows that they are non-threatening and an enhancement to the area.

downcow

Of course you also see the problem on the last few pages. Some republicans say they will only be Irish language signs where the community wants them (whatever that means) and others are saying they will be in all areas and unionists will just have to suck it up.
And that’s the situation on many other questions eg will someone be able to stand trial in orish?
And you expect us to support this vague notion

downcow

jm08 wrote: »

How is it possible that an inanimate sign would wind you up?

I guess it is the same reason an inanimate flag on the city hall wound so many nationalists up.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The truth of the matter that belligerent Unionism won't publicly address is that the rest of the UK thinks that fishing is more important than a Union with NI in it.

Unionists allowed abortion and gay marriage to be passed in Northern Ireland because it viewed its Unionism to be more important than either of the two social issues.

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

I wonder how the Unionists would react when the rest of the UK throws them under the bus. All of a sudden an Irish Language Act looks minor compared to economic catastrophe.

See also: Brexit, covid-19

The truth of the matter that belligerent Unionism won't publicly address is that the rest of the UK thinks that fishing is more important than a Union with NI in it.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As i said,you think so little of nationlists,you cant stomach an irish language act (equating it to having uvf banners walking through catholics areas,only serves to highlight your disgust at all.things irish)

Little wonder time has run out on your union....

NI has been a complete and utter failure,unionists have failed to make nationlists welcome,and demographics have ultimately caught up.....

an irish language act,ultimately harms noone,but refusal to contence one has just highlighted the utter failure of NI,unionism and powersharing....pull the plug,nothing ever gonna change otherwise

I wonder how the Unionists would react when the rest of the UK throws them under the bus. All of a sudden an Irish Language Act looks minor compared to economic catastrophe.

See also: Brexit, covid-19

Edgware wrote: »

Not completely brainless, they have the ability to plagiarise Jack and the Beanstalk economic policy of the use of magic beans

Given the way,the ECB just magiced up 750 billion last week,way stockmarkets are performing

only serves to highlight,how complete and utterly corrupt,the whole system is

downcow wrote: »

Well at least Blaaz is honest on this one. This is the reason we cannot countenance an Irish language act. This is just one of many questions I could ask which would demonstrate how this would be used to wind us up.
A few on here may disagree, but this is exactly the same as loyalist parades in Catholic areas - which of course no longer take place.
This would be so divisive. Every Unionist area you went into, signs would be defaced and you would know exactly where you were by how the compulsory irish signs were treated.
This request for Irish language signs everywhere is from the same people who were so insistent to remove the union flag from public buildings.
You really couldn't make it up - the hypocrisy.

This is also why you will find that every single Unionist party in Northern Ireland from the most extreme to the most moderate as opposed to an Irish language act - we simply do not trust them

As i said,you think so little of nationlists,you cant stomach an irish language act (equating it to having uvf banners walking through catholics areas,only serves to highlight your disgust at all.things irish)

Little wonder time has run out on your union....

NI has been a complete and utter failure,unionists have failed to make nationlists welcome,and demographics have ultimately caught up.....

an irish language act,ultimately harms noone,but refusal to contence one has just highlighted the utter failure of NI,unionism and powersharing....pull the plug,nothing ever gonna change otherwise

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmm..... wonder how long will the shadowy puppet-masters from the wind swept hills continue to pull the strings of the puppets in the show box.

Folk with skin in the game, ie something to lose , will always be wary of the shadowy figures in the background.

Long way to go before that piece of rotten meat has been excised.

That’s the long and the short of it.

The DUP way Brendan? Ignore it and it might go away?

That hoary old nonsense got old in the lead up to the election.

Brendan Bendar

Hmm..... wonder how long will the shadowy puppet-masters from the wind swept hills continue to pull the strings of the puppets in the show box.

Folk with skin in the game, ie something to lose , will always be wary of the shadowy figures in the background.

Long way to go before that piece of rotten meat has been excised.

That’s the long and the short of it.

Edgware wrote: »

Not completely brainless, they have the ability to plagiarise Jack and the Beanstalk economic policy of the use of magic beans

'Plagiarise' you say?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/historic-deal-based-on-the-policies-of-excluded-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4229003

Edgware

munsterlegend wrote: »

So a party who was banned from the airwaves not so long ago and now the largest on the island are brainless? Keyboard warrior you are!

Not completely brainless, they have the ability to plagiarise Jack and the Beanstalk economic policy of the use of magic beans

Sinn Fein ought to wait until the UK falls apart or Westminster decides to stop funding Northern Ireland before asking for a border poll, both of which I could see happening in the near future. Northern Ireland isn't viable as an independent country.

jm08

downcow wrote: »

This is just one of many questions I could ask which would demonstrate how this would be used to wind us up.

How is it possible that an inanimate sign would wind you up?

jm08

Edgware wrote: »

In other words the Shinners could claim that they got a great victory in having an Irish Language Act passed but there would be no visible use of Irish.
Knowing the pathetic level of Irish among their leaders maybe its just as well. Tiocfaidh ar la will get them through most meetings

From what I recall, motorways and main routes would have dual language signage and that this signage would not be introduced in one go but only when upgrading signage. Local areas would vote for the signage they wanted. Irish was not going to be compulsory in schools, but the BBC would need to put some resources into it (or maybe they might just broadcast TG4 in NI).

Edgware wrote: »

In other words the Shinners could claim that they got a great victory in having an Irish Language Act passed but there would be no visible use of Irish.
Knowing the pathetic level of Irish among their leaders maybe its just as well. Tiocfaidh ar la will get them through most meetings

It might surprise you to know that the Irish language is already visible across official signage in counties like Fermanagh and Tyrone for a good few years.
There have been no recorded deaths by seizure of Unionists on seeing it, as far as I know.
Defibrillators and resuscitation equipment is on stand by though.

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