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James Brown · 03-04-2018 2:52pm

Mumha wrote: »

Well we certainly need to end those Russian financial bodies in Ireland. If/When the UK goes ahead with Brexit, Ireland will be of even more interest to the Russians and their dirty money. No good will come of having further financial interactions with them.

For the Russian billions that flow through Ireland, little tax they pay and few staff they employ, it's a curious thing to allow continue in the face of this stance. Maybe there's some mutual back scratching going on we don't know about? Likely we can't be seen to play favorites and fain legitimacy; whats good for Apple is good for Putin friendly money exchange groups?

Mumha · 03-04-2018 3:37pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

For the Russian billions that flow through Ireland, little tax they pay and few staff they employ, it's a curious thing to allow continue in the face of this stance. Maybe there's some mutual back scratching going on we don't know about? Likely we can't be seen to play favorites and fain legitimacy; whats good for Apple is good for Putin friendly money exchange groups?

Maybe there's some kompromat on Irish politicians too !

Seriously though, it's pretty shameful that Bill Browder had to give up trying to get the Irish government to bring in a Magnitsky Act into law in Ireland. Especially as you can bet we are not immune from threats to our democracy, from Russia. It would be relatively cheap to target a low electorate country, which is also a EU member.

James Brown · 03-04-2018 6:19pm

Mumha wrote: »

Maybe there's some kompromat on Irish politicians too !

Seriously though, it's pretty shameful that Bill Browder had to give up trying to get the Irish government to bring in a Magnitsky Act into law in Ireland. Especially as you can bet we are not immune from threats to our democracy, from Russia. It would be relatively cheap to target a low electorate country, which is also a EU member.

I can't see the Pulse system putting up much of a fight

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 9:47am

Was a fairly active thread on the Skripal case on After Hours, now locked, this seems to be the only relevant thread on boards right now (unless I've missed something)

It seems that the Kremlin is very keen to get Yulia back to Russia - not sure how she will feel about that. Her cousin is suddenly quite vocal with the press. Whatever happens, she is a political pawn now

Also Moscow is still going hell for leather on the disinformation campaign, but have been rejected at the OPCW and UN. If it turns out they have carried out this attack - their low intl credibility is only going to take a further hit after all the antics

Elmer Blooker · 06-04-2018 11:31am

Mumha wrote: »

Well we certainly need to end those Russian financial bodies in Ireland. If/When the UK goes ahead with Brexit, Ireland will be of even more interest to the Russians and their dirty money. No good will come of having further financial interactions with them.

If you have information regarding "dirty money" have you passed it on to the Revenue Commissioners and the CAB?
I hope you have passed on your information as I'm all in favour in the confiscation of ill gotten gains while the rest of us pay our taxes!

Gatling · 06-04-2018 11:39am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Was a fairly active thread on the Skripal case on After Hours, now locked, this seems to be the only relevant thread on boards right now (unless I've missed something)

It seems that the Kremlin is very keen to get Yulia back to Russia - not sure how she will feel about that. Her cousin is suddenly quite vocal with the press. Whatever happens, she is a political pawn now

Also Moscow is still going hell for leather on the disinformation campaign, but have been rejected at the OPCW and UN. If it turns out they have carried out this attack - their low intl credibility is only going to take a further hit after all the antics

I love how they managed to broadcast a staged phone call on russian TV while they sat in the UN security council trying to make sure they got as much misinformation out as they could while playing the victim in all of this .
It's gotten to the stage of they continue to try control the UNSC while blocking any attempts of UNSC investigations

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 11:51am

Gatling wrote: »

I love how they managed to broadcast a staged phone call on russian TV while they sat in the UN security council trying to make sure they got as much misinformation out as they could while playing the victim in all of this .
It's gotten to the stage of they continue to try control the UNSC while blocking any attempts of UNSC investigations

Just about every other representative at the UN, or the OPCW meeting knows exactly what is going on here.. they just have to sit through it knowing none of it is aimed at them

cnocbui · 06-04-2018 11:53am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Was a fairly active thread on the Skripal case on After Hours, now locked, this seems to be the only relevant thread on boards right now (unless I've missed something)

It seems that the Kremlin is very keen to get Yulia back to Russia - not sure how she will feel about that. Her cousin is suddenly quite vocal with the press. Whatever happens, she is a political pawn now

Also Moscow is still going hell for leather on the disinformation campaign, but have been rejected at the OPCW and UN. If it turns out they have carried out this attack - their low intl credibility is only going to take a further hit after all the antics

I hope Yulia has been informed by those presumably liaising with and protecting her that her cousin Viktoria is working for the FSB and to be very careful.

Gatling · 06-04-2018 11:59am

cnocbui wrote: »

I hope Yulia has been informed by those presumably liaising with and protecting her that her cousin Viktoria is working for the FSB and to be very careful.

Didn't they say when her cousin arrives at the hospital next week she would have 2 russian diplomats with her , despite Yulia not asking to speak to Russian diplomats

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 12:20pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I hope Yulia has been informed by those presumably liaising with and protecting her that her cousin Viktoria is working for the FSB and to be very careful.

Viktoria has suggested that Yulia and Sergei weren't affected by a nerve agent but suffered fish poisoning, an "accident". It's fairly obvious what's happening here, It goes without saying how important it is for Moscow to get Yulia back on hometurf for propaganda and intelligence purposes

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 12:50pm

If anyone wants an idea of how mental this case might be - there are sources claiming (including Russian media sources) that Yulia Skripals fiancee/boyfriend is a member of the FSB and that Yulia herself worked at the US embassy in Moscow. Not just that, but the man's mother allegedly worked for and was "high-up" in Russian intelligence.

demfad · 06-04-2018 1:55pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

If you have information regarding "dirty money" have you passed it on to the Revenue Commissioners and the CAB?
I hope you have passed on your information as I'm all in favour in the confiscation of ill gotten gains while the rest of us pay our taxes!

I saw credible accounts under oath in the US congress of Russian money laundering through Doonbeg. I passed it on to the media and the relevant Garda department. (Garda National Economic Crime Bureau,)

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 1:58pm

Pretty big news: Sergei is no longer in critical condition and is recovering

Hopefully he will be well enough to help with the investigation - not good news for the would-be assassins

cnocbui · 06-04-2018 2:42pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Viktoria has suggested that Yulia and Sergei weren't affected by a nerve agent but suffered fish poisoning, an "accident". It's fairly obvious what's happening here, It goes without saying how important it is for Moscow to get Yulia back on hometurf for propaganda and intelligence purposes

Who needs mass spectrometers and gas chromatographs when you have the FSB (Viktoria) to diagnose the problem from a distance without samples.

Remarkable how two police officers were also poisoned by this fish without ever eating it.

All just trying to drown out the truth with noise.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-04-2018 2:53pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Pretty big news: Sergei is no longer in critical condition and is recovering

Hopefully he will be well enough to help with the investigation - not good news for the would-be assassins

Not good news for the nerve gas theory either. Of course if either of them come out on the Russian side then they will be dismissed as stoodges. Or as we have seen already as FSB.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-04-2018 2:55pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Who needs mass spectrometers and gas chromatographs when you have the FSB (Viktoria) to diagnose the problem from a distance without samples.

Remarkable how two police officers were also poisoned by this fish without ever eating it.

All just trying to drown out the truth with noise.

So because Sergia’s cousin is now not on ball with the Russian conspiracy theory she’s definitely FSB?

mcmoustache · 06-04-2018 2:58pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Not good news for the nerve gas theory either. Of course if either of them come out on the Russian side then they will be dismissed as stoodges. Or as we have seen already as FSB.

Maybe I haven't been keeping up with the Russian talking points but I thought that the current one was "OK, it was novichok but it could have been anyone".

Are they now claiming that it wasn't novichok?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-04-2018 3:11pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Maybe I haven't been keeping up with the Russian talking points but I thought that the current one was "OK, it was novichok but it could have been anyone".

Are they now claiming that it wasn't novichok?

I wouldn’t know what Russians are claiming since I don’t follow any Russians sites. Not even RT. Hopefully politics is moderated better than AH and these kinds of well poisonnng arguments are properly moderated, so I’ve reported that post.

I do however read Craig Murray’s excellent blog and in his latest post he in fact does throw some doubt on it. Now I’m not the expert but then neither are the pro neo conservative posters here.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

cnocbui · 06-04-2018 3:23pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

So because Sergia’s cousin is now not on ball with the Russian conspiracy theory she’s definitely FSB?

Actually it's a matter of quite a number of things she has said that have turned out to be inaccurate and untrue. You don't find it odd that a phone conversation she supposedly had with Yulia was recorded in high quality and then broadcast on Russian TV? Do you think it normal behaviour for relatives to record private phone conversations without telling the person they are speaking with and to then give them to the media?

If I get a spare moment I might compile a list of things Viktoria is alleged to have said and how those compare with the truth.

Just for starters and off the top of my head, she is the source of the allegation that Yulia was engaged to the son of a senior female FSB officer who didn't want them to marry, and likely is the culprit.

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 3:36pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Not good news for the nerve gas theory either.

The hospital staff and specialists have treated the pair for nerve gas poisoning. Porton Down have confirmed nerve gas. The entire basis of the case revolves around it's presence. The OPCW is on the scene right now independently testing the samples

Yulia or Sergei Skripal living or dying have no bearing on that theory. That's dosage/contact/delivery

It's going to be earth-shattering news if this all turns out to be bad fish, put it that way.

Chips Lovell · 06-04-2018 3:37pm

Leave the moderating to the mods pleased. If you've any issues with posts, please report them and we'll look at them.

mcmoustache · 06-04-2018 3:39pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I wouldn’t know what Russians are claiming since I don’t follow any Russians sites. Not even RT. Hopefully politics is moderated better than AH and these kinds of well poisonnng arguments are properly moderated, so I’ve reported that post.

You were suggesting that the nerve gas theory was in trouble because the Skripals woke up. Whether it was or wasn't novichok was being debated over a week ago. We had posters say things like "How are they not all dead if it was novichok?". That ship has now sailed but are you seriously trying to suggest again that it wasn't novichok? It's a brave play.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I do however read Craig Murray’s excellent blog and in his latest post he in fact does throw some doubt on it. Now I’m not the expert but then neither are the pro neo conservative posters here.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

Wikileaks's Craig Murray? "DNC Hack was an inside job"'s Craig Murray? Craig Murray who left his wife for an Uzbeki stripper? The same Craig Murray who was accused of trading visas to the UK for sex in Uzbekistan? Fair enough. Maybe getting your info from some guys blog can leave you more informed than than everyone else.

And neocon? Seriously?

demfad · 06-04-2018 3:45pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I wouldn’t know what Russians are claiming since I don’t follow any Russians sites. Not even RT. Hopefully politics is moderated better than AH and these kinds of well poisonnng arguments are properly moderated, so I’ve reported that post.

I do however read Craig Murray’s excellent blog and in his latest post he in fact does throw some doubt on it. Now I’m not the expert but then neither are the pro neo conservative posters here.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

Murray also said that Russia did not hack the DNC servers:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/former-british-ambassador-says-he-not-russia-is-the-dnc-leaker/

This story by Buzzfeed only yesterday shows that while Assange KNEW the source of the DNC hack was the persona GUCCIFER 2 he was hinting that the leaks came from a DNC insider named Seth Rich. This disinformation was seized on by Fox news etc. to try and muddy the Trump-Russia investigation and public perception.

Murray was pushing this exact line up until December 2016 at least. We know it was Fancy Bear because Dutch intelligence had hacked them and had watched them hacking the DNC (and Pentagon etc). We also know Guccifer 2 is GRU because he messed up his VPN on occasion revealing a GRU IP in Moscow.

Murray was helping to peddle this lie to benefit Russia, Trump and Assange at great personal damage to Rich's family mind.
He is either a fool, believes everything his pal Assange tells him or is aligned or compromised by Russia.

His blog is not excellent. Especially when referring to Russia it is usually disinformation.

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 3:46pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I do however read Craig Murray’s excellent blog and in his latest post he in fact does throw some doubt on it. Now I’m not the expert but then neither are the pro neo conservative posters here.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

Yeah, I wouldn't
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Craig_Murray

Dohnjoe · 06-04-2018 3:56pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

And neocon? Seriously?

Apparently if you don't share views with a blogger who believes the Israel carried out this attack then you're in the company of Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld.

Gatling · 06-04-2018 4:04pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Apparently if you don't share views with a blogger who believes the Israel carried out this attack then you're in the company of Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld.

Seems a lot of his stuff is personal rants and derogatory comments about people ,
Can't see why anyone would called him a legitimate source of any real information or journalistic integrity and value.

He is trying to answer what Yulia meant to say or why she said something .
No real journalist would make suggestions like that

mcmoustache · 06-04-2018 5:17pm

I wonder if these recoveries will end accusations that the Brits did it themselves? I mean, if they did carry it out as some sort of false flag, bringing them back from the verge of death would be a bit risky.

Actually, who am I fooling? Of course they won't.

Discodog · 06-04-2018 5:32pm

The Times followed up on their last article - posted in the closed AH thread.

Security services believe they have pinpointed the location of the covert Russian laboratory that manufactured the weapons-grade nerve agent used in Salisbury. Ministers and security officials were able to identify the source using scientific analysis and intelligence in the days after the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal a month ago, according to security sources, The Times reports.

Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/world/10069376-uk-locates-source-of-novichok-nerve-agent-used-in-salisbury-the-times.html

This is even more support for the theory that the UK knew far more & gave intelligence information to the EU/Nato to back up their claim.

The Cousin is very unlikely to get visa & has already suggested the same.

Gatling · 06-04-2018 10:35pm

It seems the relative who took part in the staged phone call Victoria skipal has been refused a visa to visit the UK to see Yulia ,she's also publicly claiming the skipals were only suffering food poisoning from bad fish .

https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury-attack-yulia-and-sergei-skripals-relative-refused-entry-to-britain-11319366

demfad · 06-04-2018 10:49pm

Gatling wrote: »

It seems the relative who took part in the staged phone call Victoria skipal has been refused a visa to visit the UK to see Yulia ,she's also publicly claiming the skipals were only suffering food poisoning from bad fish .

https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury-attack-yulia-and-sergei-skripals-relative-refused-entry-to-britain-11319366

They are right to refuse her. She will be used to pass on threats to the daughter. No doubt she is under threat and coercion herself. The Russian state really has fully regressed under Putin.

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