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even though the Irish students got their solely on academics!
There are more than a few backdoors in from what I've heard
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There are more than a few backdoors in from what I've heard
I have heard that too, but I am not sure is it true. I know there was an odd case of one person failing a year three times even though the policy was they're out if they failed more than twice

Well it was a Canadian that said it to my partner and his friend and since I repeated my LC with them, I can confirm they worked their asses off to get in. But then again, we have a different exam system to them and they don't realise getting nigh on 600 points was very hard for most people. But it was insulting all the same!
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It's hard to comment on this question as I haven't been to both but I can say UCD is a superb medical school and from any of the objective measures seems to be in a different league to RCSI.

I'd rather be taught in a group of 50 by a consultant than in a group of ten by a junior doctor, that's my opinion as a final year.

Good doctors come out of both but if your daddy isn't paying for your ski holidays and your mini cooper you'll probably be better off in UCD, ironic I know.
Which objective measure are you referring too? I read that consultants teach the rcsi course as well. Maybe some of the clinical exposure is taken by junior doctors?

Like I say I've been speaking to a guy who has a kid in each and they're saying rcsi.

I take great offence to that mini jab as my girlfriend drives one, although she did for it herself!! Besides last time I checked there was no shortage of daddy's girls/boys in ucd.

If there was an obvious choice between the two then there wouldn't be as much comment on boards and other sites about it.
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Which objective measure are you referring too? I read that consultants teach the rcsi course as well. Maybe some of the clinical exposure is taken by junior doctors?
The vast majority of my partners lecturers were either consultants or retired consultants, mostly from Beaumont in particular and the Rotunda for obstetrics. It caused major irritation in second year as many of the students had to travel to Beaumont for lectures as they were fitted around consultants times.
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My partner studied in both for a while (don't ask) he thought that though UCD had the better facilities, RCSI was better with less bs labs and random microbiology lectures that made little/no sense!

Oh and JennyJ is right, RCSI is still very much a daddy's little rich kid exclusive club! They come from America with their money and think they are better than you. A few thought their parents paying nearly 50grand a year meant they were better than you even though the Irish students got their solely on academics! Though in all fairness, that attitude is in a lot of areas of life!
What was his take on the different teaching styles? Hospitals? Lecturers? Fellow Irish students?
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What was his take on the different teaching styles? Hospitals? Lecturers? Fellow Irish students?
Fellow Irish students, and students in general, a mixed batch, a lot from the Institute and other private leaving cert schools, others from regular schools (more so in UCD though) there are a lot of Malaysians in both colleges, they tend to stick mostly to themselves. In RCSI there is a greater variety of nationalities which of course meant getting to know a lot of people from all over the world. Both colleges had their fair share of "Do you know who my father is, he is a consultant neurologist at X hospital" (genuine, hand on my heart quote from one twat!) and "And then we went to NZ to watch the Lions, far better than watching it on TV, sure you know yourself" A lot of the kids came from privileged backgrounds and they were a dose, but seriously, no matter where you go in life, there are those sorts everywhere.

A random side note, two friends of mine met studying there, one from Asia, one from Central America and they are happily married and settled in Ireland now with a family

Teaching, though UCD's facilities are outstanding with their nice new building, he preferred RCSI. The module method used by UCD in his opinion made everything so rushed. The best example being microbiology. They lecture notes, for the most part, had one group of information, the lecturer would then spend the lecture cramming more information from slides the students didn't have onto the notes, then they were given a reading list of a few books (more than you would expect for an 8 week module) and the exams were literally all over the place. There was a lot of labs that were clearly just UCD wasting money and charging fee paying students through the teeth for, they were completely irrelevant to students unless they left the practice side of medicine and went into lab fields. RCSI did not waste time on such things and the microbiology actually made sense according to my partner. Both were excellent with the dealing of cadavers and learning from them, but again, UCD's facilities were superior, though he felt the lecturers in RCSI (practicing and retired surgeons) were better, a few of the UCD anatomy lecturers had done biology degrees, not medicine.

Styles, both had their pro's and cons. In RCSI there were a few continual assessment oral exams in anatomy. Though terrifying at the time, it helped to have a percentage done and scores known before the larger written exams. UCD I cannot remember had they this. I just recall one instance my partner was nearly on deaths door (self inflicted) and somehow managed to pull a B in an oral exam by picking himself up for a few minutes. Apparently it was hilarious to behold! He preferred RCSI's smaller room sizes.

Hospitals were similar. Both colleges demanding a good sense of decorum and respect for the patients. They did go to different hospitals, UCD's being more centrally based, as I stated already, Beaumont was RCSI's main hospital, so a bit of a trek for many. Crumlin was the children's hospital for both and RCSI had the Rotunda while UCD went to Holles Street for obstetrics.

RCSI had a nice smaller cosier feel to it. Most everyone knew everyone. The sports teams were all close knit and there was a laptop included with your fees, replaced then in either 3/4 year. But UCD had a greater variety of clubs, it is after getting a fantastic new gym and swimming pool and the campus as a whole gets better guest speakers and the like.
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Fellow Irish students, and students in general, a mixed batch, a lot from the Institute and other private leaving cert schools, others from regular schools (more so in UCD though) there are a lot of Malaysians in both colleges, they tend to stick mostly to themselves. In RCSI there is a greater variety of nationalities which of course meant getting to know a lot of people from all over the world. Both colleges had their fair share of "Do you know who my father is, he is a consultant neurologist at X hospital" (genuine, hand on my heart quote from one twat!) and "And then we went to NZ to watch the Lions, far better than watching it on TV, sure you know yourself" A lot of the kids came from privileged backgrounds and they were a dose, but seriously, no matter where you go in life, there are those sorts everywhere.

A random side note, two friends of mine met studying there, one from Asia, one from Central America and they are happily married and settled in Ireland now with a family

Teaching, though UCD's facilities are outstanding with their nice new building, he preferred RCSI. The module method used by UCD in his opinion made everything so rushed. The best example being microbiology. They lecture notes, for the most part, had one group of information, the lecturer would then spend the lecture cramming more information from slides the students didn't have onto the notes, then they were given a reading list of a few books (more than you would expect for an 8 week module) and the exams were literally all over the place. There was a lot of labs that were clearly just UCD wasting money and charging fee paying students through the teeth for, they were completely irrelevant to students unless they left the practice side of medicine and went into lab fields. RCSI did not waste time on such things and the microbiology actually made sense according to my partner. Both were excellent with the dealing of cadavers and learning from them, but again, UCD's facilities were superior, though he felt the lecturers in RCSI (practicing and retired surgeons) were better, a few of the UCD anatomy lecturers had done biology degrees, not medicine.

Styles, both had their pro's and cons. In RCSI there were a few continual assessment oral exams in anatomy. Though terrifying at the time, it helped to have a percentage done and scores known before the larger written exams. UCD I cannot remember had they this. I just recall one instance my partner was nearly on deaths door (self inflicted) and somehow managed to pull a B in an oral exam by picking himself up for a few minutes. Apparently it was hilarious to behold! He preferred RCSI's smaller room sizes.

Hospitals were similar. Both colleges demanding a good sense of decorum and respect for the patients. They did go to different hospitals, UCD's being more centrally based, as I stated already, Beaumont was RCSI's main hospital, so a bit of a trek for many. Crumlin was the children's hospital for both and RCSI had the Rotunda while UCD went to Holles Street for obstetrics.

RCSI had a nice smaller cosier feel to it. Most everyone knew everyone. The sports teams were all close knit and there was a laptop included with your fees, replaced then in either 3/4 year. But UCD had a greater variety of clubs, it is after getting a fantastic new gym and swimming pool and the campus as a whole gets better guest speakers and the like.
Have you a problem with the lions loike? Yeah, funny, a friend of mine from secondary school did undergrad med and as he said himself, it's hard not to have a superiority complex when med runs in the family. That kinda stuff doesn't bother me at all, people can think what they like about themselves, good luck to them.

The impression I'm getting is that rcsi have the cosy factor of the small class and the early clinical stuff really appeals to me. I'm driving ( a humble jetta ) so the hospital
commute won't be a massive deal.

Did he do any international summer work or after the degree? I've read mixed reports about much the college help with this
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I'm gonna head up next week for a nosy, the only off putting thing is the sandy ford complex which I've read is dour?
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Early clinical stuff? You do GP visits in GEM1 semester 2 UCD, you do 1 month in vinnies and the mater in GEM2 aswell as time in Holles Street, the Coombe, Harolds Cross Hospice and other places

Early clinical experience isn't really a big deal

Free laptop in RCSI, whats the yearly IT fee again? 600 quid or something like that? lol

Why would you want a smaller class? Bigger class, know more people, better network etc

I'm ducking out of this thread now, good luck where ever you all end up
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Have you a problem with the lions loike? Yeah, funny, a friend of mine from secondary school did undergrad med and as he said himself, it's hard not to have a superiority complex when med runs in the family. That kinda stuff doesn't bother me at all, people can think what they like about themselves, good luck to them.

The impression I'm getting is that rcsi have the cosy factor of the small class and the early clinical stuff really appeals to me. I'm driving ( a humble jetta ) so the hospital
commute won't be a massive deal.

Did he do any international summer work or after the degree? I've read mixed reports about much the college help with this
He never completed the degree in either college, he quit UCD when his dad was really sick and then passed away and went back to medicine in RCSI then. Then he decided he should have followed his own dream instead of his mothers, pulled out after a year or two and went into veterinary But he befriended a lot of the International students and many were willing to help look after their Irish colleagues if they went to their country. The colleges themselves seemed to just leave it more to the students. Only signing paperwork if needed.

RCSI Sandyford I gathered from most people's giving out, the irritation was with the commute more than anything. It is not a great facility from the outside. But the luas goes from outside the door of the main college to outside the door of the Sandyford one ever 5-7 minutes.
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Early clinical stuff? You do GP visits in GEM1 semester 2 UCD, you do 1 month in vinnies and the mater in GEM2 aswell as time in Holles Street, the Coombe, Harolds Cross Hospice and other places

Early clinical experience isn't really a big deal

Free laptop in RCSI, whats the yearly IT fee again? 600 quid or something like that? lol

Why would you want a smaller class? Bigger class, know more people, better network etc

I'm ducking out of this thread now, good luck where ever you all end up
I suppose that's the flip side of the argument. Smaller class more individual attention but it is a coin toss.
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It's hard to comment on this question as I haven't been to both but I can say UCD is a superb medical school and from any of the objective measures seems to be in a different league to RCSI.

I'd rather be taught in a group of 50 by a consultant than in a group of ten by a junior doctor, that's my opinion as a final year.
Fantastic. Care to share all of these objective measures then? It'd be a lot more useful to people on this forum if you actually posted an honest account of the strengths and weaknesses of your programme, rather than just starting an uneducated defamation campaign of other programmes. And the teaching in RCSI is done mostly by consultants at class level (group of 60) and also at group level (of 10) with either GPs, consultants or junior doctors.


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Oh and JennyJ is right, RCSI is still very much a daddy's little rich kid exclusive club! They come from America with their money and think they are better than you. A few thought their parents paying nearly 50grand a year meant they were better than you even though the Irish students got their solely on academics! Though in all fairness, that attitude is in a lot of areas of life!
Where are you people getting this from? It's total rubbish. All the Americans I know in my class are on massive government loans, and there's none of the snobbery mentioned. And the US students generally have much more impressive academics than the Irish in my class.

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Why would you want a smaller class?
This is getting silly. It doesn't take a whole lot of common sense to see why smaller class sizes are better.

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Fellow Irish students, and students in general, a mixed batch, a lot from the Institute and other private leaving cert schools, others from regular schools (more so in UCD though) there are a lot of Malaysians in both colleges, they tend to stick mostly to themselves. In RCSI there is a greater variety of nationalities which of course meant getting to know a lot of people from all over the world. Both colleges had their fair share of "Do you know who my father is, he is a consultant neurologist at X hospital" (genuine, hand on my heart quote from one twat!) and "And then we went to NZ to watch the Lions, far better than watching it on TV, sure you know yourself" A lot of the kids came from privileged backgrounds and they were a dose, but seriously, no matter where you go in life, there are those sorts everywhere.

A random side note, two friends of mine met studying there, one from Asia, one from Central America and they are happily married and settled in Ireland now with a family

Teaching, though UCD's facilities are outstanding with their nice new building, he preferred RCSI. The module method used by UCD in his opinion made everything so rushed. The best example being microbiology. They lecture notes, for the most part, had one group of information, the lecturer would then spend the lecture cramming more information from slides the students didn't have onto the notes, then they were given a reading list of a few books (more than you would expect for an 8 week module) and the exams were literally all over the place. There was a lot of labs that were clearly just UCD wasting money and charging fee paying students through the teeth for, they were completely irrelevant to students unless they left the practice side of medicine and went into lab fields. RCSI did not waste time on such things and the microbiology actually made sense according to my partner. Both were excellent with the dealing of cadavers and learning from them, but again, UCD's facilities were superior, though he felt the lecturers in RCSI (practicing and retired surgeons) were better, a few of the UCD anatomy lecturers had done biology degrees, not medicine.

Styles, both had their pro's and cons. In RCSI there were a few continual assessment oral exams in anatomy. Though terrifying at the time, it helped to have a percentage done and scores known before the larger written exams. UCD I cannot remember had they this. I just recall one instance my partner was nearly on deaths door (self inflicted) and somehow managed to pull a B in an oral exam by picking himself up for a few minutes. Apparently it was hilarious to behold! He preferred RCSI's smaller room sizes.

Hospitals were similar. Both colleges demanding a good sense of decorum and respect for the patients. They did go to different hospitals, UCD's being more centrally based, as I stated already, Beaumont was RCSI's main hospital, so a bit of a trek for many. Crumlin was the children's hospital for both and RCSI had the Rotunda while UCD went to Holles Street for obstetrics.

RCSI had a nice smaller cosier feel to it. Most everyone knew everyone. The sports teams were all close knit and there was a laptop included with your fees, replaced then in either 3/4 year. But UCD had a greater variety of clubs, it is after getting a fantastic new gym and swimming pool and the campus as a whole gets better guest speakers and the like.
I take it that much of this, particularly the UCD criticism, refers to undergrad med, yes? I assume there is much less time in GEM for random microbiology labs.
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I'm gonna head up next week for a nosy, the only off putting thing is the sandy ford complex which I've read is dour?
I really like the Sandyford building as it's small, self-contained, relaxed and personable. Also, I like the lounge and catering facilities.

I found the UCD med building to be mayhem with hundreds of students thronging the place.

That said, I would love to be near the UCD pool as I'm a keen swimmer.
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Fantastic. Care to share all of these objective measures then? It'd be a lot more useful to people on this forum if you actually posted an honest account of the strengths and weaknesses of your programme, rather than just starting an uneducated defamation campaign of other programmes. And the teaching in RCSI is done mostly by consultants at class level (group of 60) and also at group level (of 10) with either GPs, consultants or junior doctors.






Where are you people getting this from? It's total rubbish. All the Americans I know in my class are on massive government loans, and there's none of the snobbery mentioned. And the US students generally have much more impressive academics than the Irish in my class.


This is getting silly. It doesn't take a whole lot of common sense to see why smaller class sizes are better.
Any insight on summer placements? Is it true that they have someone assigned to usmle applications? What's the take on sandy ford? How much time do you spend in Stephens green?

I have no experience of the people that attend either college but in my experience med does throw up a few status hungry peaches.
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