PS5 or Xbox Series X ?

recyclops · 15-11-2020 10:57am

What power settings is the console on. I don't know if it impacts quick resume but I have mine on instant on and have yet to have an issue.

My Forza 4 was completely broke until I completed a fresh restall it kept telling me lego wasn't installed.

Retr0gamer · 15-11-2020 11:30am

RasTa wrote: »

Few people moaning that it's the same UI from the xbox one x. Lazy if true.

They are keeping parity between all of their supported systems.

RasTa · 15-11-2020 11:57am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

They are keeping parity between all of their supported systems.

AA batteries and same UI is lazy. It's similar to Windows 98 having the exact same layout as 95.

Lazy.

No games on release, this isn't really a next gen console, even the name suggests this. It's another upgraded xbox one.

However game pass is the best feature any of the new machines. Just a shame they have no games.

CatInABox · 15-11-2020 12:03pm

I don't think that continuity between console OSes is a bad thing to be honest, it means that there's no learning new quirks, etc. For example, on the PS5, people are accidentally playing PS4 versions of games because the system, for some reason, defaults to the PS4 version if both are installed, which is easy to do because the "download all" button also downloads the PS4 version.

skerry · 15-11-2020 12:09pm

RasTa wrote: »

AA batteries and same UI is lazy. It's similar to Windows 98 having the exact same layout as 95.

Lazy.

No games on release, this isn't really a next gen console, even the name suggests this. It's another upgraded xbox one.

However game pass is the best feature any of the new machines. Just a shame they have no games.

Let me guess, you don't plan on getting a Series X

Retr0gamer · 15-11-2020 1:02pm

Sony used xmb from the PSP onwards with the exception of the vita. I don't see the issue.

RasTa · 15-11-2020 1:07pm

skerry wrote: »

Let me guess, you don't plan on getting a Series X

Depends if they release any games that are worth buying a console for.

johnny_ultimate · 15-11-2020 1:18pm

Mod note: RasTa, please lay off with the relentless negativity about every single aspect of the Xbox. It’s coming across as trolling at this stage, and everyone else has managed to avoid that kind of carry on in this thread.

CatInABox · 15-11-2020 4:03pm

It has actually been quite positive from everyone. Hopefully that's an indication that we've got two very good machines on our hands, and that we're going to have a great generation.

quokula · 15-11-2020 4:28pm

CatInABox wrote: »

I don't think that continuity between console OSes is a bad thing to be honest, it means that there's no learning new quirks, etc. For example, on the PS5, people are accidentally playing PS4 versions of games because the system, for some reason, defaults to the PS4 version if both are installed, which is easy to do because the "download all" button also downloads the PS4 version.

That's an argument against a silly oversight that Sony will presumably fix at some point, rather than an argument against having a new UI.

Sony are introducing new features like the activity cards, like completion time estimates, like video achievements, like the picture in picture help stuff, all while keeping the basic XMB layout people are familiar with but bringing it up to 4k and improving the visuals. I haven't tried it so don't know if any of it will be worthwhile, but surely it's better than bringing nothing new to the table.

TitianGerm · 15-11-2020 4:34pm

quokula wrote: »

That's an argument against a silly oversight that Sony will presumably fix at some point, rather than an argument against having a new UI.

Sony are introducing new features like the activity cards, like completion time estimates, like video achievements, like the picture in picture help stuff, all while keeping the basic XMB layout people are familiar with but bringing it up to 4k and improving the visuals. I haven't tried it so don't know if any of it will be worthwhile, but surely it's better than bringing nothing new to the table.

Microsoft are going the IOS route. Everything familiar so no learning curve. To me it looks like they've worked on the speed of the OS first and I'm sure they'll add as they go.

But to say they've added nothing is wrong. Isn't Quick Resume a new OS feature?

RasTa · 15-11-2020 4:35pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Mod note: RasTa, please lay off with the relentless negativity about every single aspect of the Xbox. It’s coming across as trolling at this stage, and everyone else has managed to avoid that kind of carry on in this thread.

PM sent.

quokula · 15-11-2020 4:40pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Microsoft are going the IOS route. Everything familiar so no learning curve. To me it looks like they've worked on the speed of the OS first and I'm sure they'll add as they go.

But to say they've added nothing is wrong. Isn't Quick Resume a new OS feature?

It is a new feature, and one I was looking forward to before getting my Series X. However, it also doesn't work for any of the major new releases that you'd want to play and actively makes the experience worse so far than the single game suspend resume that I was used to on last gen.

I'm not that confident about them fixing it any time soon since the regular single game suspend resume never worked reliably on the Xbox One while it was always rock solid on the PS4.

It's also a major feature that will have had lots of attention poured on it, yet they failed to launch the console with it functional, which is a different scenario to a minor oversight like PS4 games appearing ahead of PS5 games on a list in a UI which could be fixed quickly.

super_furry · 15-11-2020 4:47pm

quokula wrote: »

I'm not that confident about them fixing it any time soon since the regular single game suspend resume never worked reliably on the Xbox One while it was always rock solid on the PS4.

Really? I've never found that - at least on the One X. The only ever issue I've had has been with multiplayer games disconnecting from the server as you'd expect - Destiny and CoD and the likes

Even with Assassin's Creed Valhalla, I realised yesterday that I was six hours into the game without creating a save because I'd been relying entirely on game resume throughout.

TitianGerm · 15-11-2020 4:47pm

quokula wrote: »

It is a new feature, and one I was looking forward to before getting my Series X. However, it also doesn't work for any of the major new releases that you'd want to play and actively makes the experience worse so far than the single game suspend resume that I was used to on last gen.

I'm not that confident about them fixing it any time soon since the regular single game suspend resume never worked reliably on the Xbox One while it was always rock solid on the PS4.

It's also a major feature that will have had lots of attention poured on it, yet they failed to launch the console with it functional, which is a different scenario to a minor oversight like PS4 games appearing ahead of PS5 games on a list in a UI which could be fixed quickly.

There's others posting saying it's working for them so it is working but something is going on that it's not working for everyone.

RasTa · 15-11-2020 5:32pm

super_furry wrote: »

Really? I've never found that - at least on the One X. The only ever issue I've had has been with multiplayer games disconnecting from the server as you'd expect - Destiny and CoD and the likes

Even with Assassin's Creed Valhalla, I realised yesterday that I was six hours into the game without creating a save because I'd been relying entirely on game resume throughout.

Doesn't it auto save anyway?

Thecageyone · 15-11-2020 6:05pm

Homelander wrote: »

Well in fairness, your PC could not run Assassins Creed Valhalla as good as the Xbox Series X does.

It's a €500 console, that can compete with a €1K+ PC. It is what it is. Anyone coming from a decent PC isn't going to be blown away.

Of course if you upgraded to a 1080Ti it would compete. But then you would have the aforementioned 1K PC, and even at that with the 2600X it would still be inferior to the Series X.

I honestly don't know what you expected from a new €500 console. They're tremendous performers for the money.

I think it'll run that game without much fuss tbh, but I'm not interested in it after watching a bunch of streams. More interested in Cyberpunk, and that is when I will probably have to upgrade.

It's not so much the consoles I think, it's the latest batch of games aren't doing it for me perhaps. I'm sure there's much better on the way, I've not abandoned the idea of getting one in the new year some time. I still like the idea of gaming on the larger tv chillin' on the sofa.

johnny_ultimate · 15-11-2020 6:14pm

Also important to note that visuals have reached such a high level of fidelity that it’s increasingly hard to make the sort of generational leaps that were common in the earlier days of 3D graphics. I think that’s why much of the focus has turned to performance both on consoles and PC. Especially when raw resolution has become sort of redundant with the emergence of DLSS and the like.

I’m sure many games will continue to impress on a purely visual level, but we’ve reached such a high watermark already that there’s a certain incremental nature to the jumps we’re seeing.

Thecageyone · 15-11-2020 6:54pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Also important to note that visuals have reached such a high level of fidelity that it’s increasingly hard to make the sort of generational leaps that were common in the earlier days of 3D graphics. I think that’s why much of the focus has turned to performance both on consoles and PC. Especially when raw resolution has become sort of redundant with the emergence of DLSS and the like.

I’m sure many games will continue to impress on a purely visual level, but we’ve reached such a high watermark already that there’s a certain incremental nature to the jumps we’re seeing.

Valid point, if we compare modern games to ones from a decade ago we see the leap more so, it's just been smaller improvements along the way in between. There's always those gems that still stand up today though from 5-6 yrs back, like The Witcher 3 but in general 3D games today do look better. I just remember being more 'wowed' when say, the xbox 360 and ps3 came out

I'll keep check on new games incoming, it is early days yet

All_in_Flynn · 15-11-2020 7:56pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Also important to note that visuals have reached such a high level of fidelity that it’s increasingly hard to make the sort of generational leaps that were common in the earlier days of 3D graphics. I think that’s why much of the focus has turned to performance both on consoles and PC. Especially when raw resolution has become sort of redundant with the emergence of DLSS and the like.

I’m sure many games will continue to impress on a purely visual level, but we’ve reached such a high watermark already that there’s a certain incremental nature to the jumps we’re seeing.

Just looking at the reviews coming through on the PS5, the real progression seems to be that the Dualsense controller and 3D audio are game changers. Both are getting great reviews in general. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it this week to try it for myself but they could be the real USP of the next gen consoles if they live up to the reviews I'm seeing.

johnny_ultimate · 15-11-2020 8:23pm

Thecageyone wrote: »

Valid point, if we compare modern games to ones from a decade ago we see the leap more so, it's just been smaller improvements along the way in between. There's always those gems that still stand up today though from 5-6 yrs back, like The Witcher 3 but in general 3D games today do look better. I just remember being more 'wowed' when say, the xbox 360 and ps3 came out

I'll keep check on new games incoming, it is early days yet

Yeah the 360 / PS3 had a big boon as really being the first dedicated HD consoles - that level of sharpness (matched with some very capable technology) was perhaps the last generational leap*. Higher definitions are no doubt very nice indeed, but again an incremental jump compared to SD->HD. I've said it before, but the best looking early 360 / PS3 games still look pretty solid (some don't at all, of course

).

*actually the last generational leap was VR - Half-Life Alyx does offer that 'wow' factor, to be fair. But that's achieved in a way beyond mere brute force graphics and more a totally different way of experiencing a game world.

RasTa · 15-11-2020 9:42pm

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Just looking at the reviews coming through on the PS5, the real progression seems to be that the Dualsense controller and 3D audio are game changers. Both are getting great reviews in general. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it this week to try it for myself but they could be the real USP of the next gen consoles if they live up to the reviews I'm seeing.

3D audio is proper next gen stuff. However you do have to pay extra for it

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It would make more sense if it worked with wh-1000XM series.

johnny_ultimate · 15-11-2020 9:50pm

3D audio works with any standard pair of stereo headphones.

Sony wrote:

On the PS5, you'll be able to experience 3D Audio with the headphones that many of you already own, either through USB connection to the console, or by plugging your headphones into the DualSense wireless controller's 3.5mm headset jack.

TitianGerm · 15-11-2020 9:50pm

RasTa wrote: »

3D audio is proper next gen stuff. However you do have to pay extra for it

It would make more sense if it worked with wh-1000XM series.

Think Sony have said it'll work on older headset's as well. I'm nearly sure I read it somewhere.

Those Pulse headsets aren't overly expensive though especially if you get the life of the console out of them.

ERG89 · 15-11-2020 9:56pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Yeah the 360 / PS3 had a big boon as really being the first dedicated HD consoles - that level of sharpness (matched with some very capable technology) was perhaps the last generational leap*. Higher definitions are no doubt very nice indeed, but again an incremental jump compared to SD->HD. I've said it before, but the best looking early 360 / PS3 games still look pretty solid (some don't at all, of course ).

The 360/PS3 gen also had a crazy amount of good 3rd party stuff that was its magic imo. With the cost of AAA games, studio acquisitions and laziness by the likes of EA/Ubisoft especially you don't see anything new being made like Dead Space, Rayman Origins, Assassins Creed 2, Bayonetta, BioShock, Portal, Battlefield Bad Company, Arkham Asylum, Mass Effect, Dark Souls or Saints Row being released regularly as 3rd party titles. A lot of those series were ran into the ground quick or their new games now just feel overly familiar.

quokula · 16-11-2020 2:37am

super_furry wrote: »

Really? I've never found that - at least on the One X. The only ever issue I've had has been with multiplayer games disconnecting from the server as you'd expect - Destiny and CoD and the likes

Even with Assassin's Creed Valhalla, I realised yesterday that I was six hours into the game without creating a save because I'd been relying entirely on game resume throughout.

My experience of One X is that it works about 80% of the time - generally it works but you never feel totally confident and always want to make sure you've saved. This is mainly from Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon which were the main games I played much of on that console. There was no pattern I could see, you could turn the console off and come back a week later and it would work, or you could be out of the game five minutes and come back and find it was restarting.

On PS4, it never failed once on any game that I can remember over 6 years. I could happily do multi-hour endurance races in racing games that didn't have a mid-race save feature for example, and turn off the console in the middle of them and use apps like Netflix and know with 100% confidence that I'd be able to continue where I left off whenever I decided to. The only exception was The Crew which was a game that insisted on being always online and it would force you out to reconnect. I generally don't play online multiplayer games so never had any other issues.

On Series X, it just doesn't work at all for me, ever. And games like Watchdogs that auto-save and have no way of manual saving, have cost me hours of progress which has really left a sour taste and have basically meant I no longer expect to finish that game which I had been enjoying.

I understand there are many games where it does work, apparently it's great for older backwards compatible non-enhanced stuff, but it doesn't work on any of the games I've been playing, which is most of the main launch line up of enhanced games.

Jordan 199 · 16-11-2020 3:58am

TitianGerm wrote: »

Those Pulse headsets aren't overly expensive though especially if you get the life of the console out of them.

That's true for the price of them which is around €100. I also like the microphone setup on them.

Now that I have my Series X and will be getting a PS5 sometime next year hopefully, I'll be looking out for a wireless headset I can use on both consoles.

sniper_samurai · 16-11-2020 8:02am

Jordan 199 wrote: »

That's true for the price of them which is around €100. I also like the microphone setup on them.

Now that I have my Series X and will be getting a PS5 sometime next year hopefully, I'll be looking out for a wireless headset I can use on both consoles.

Atm there are 3 that can work on both, the Astro A20 Gen 2(requires purchase of 2nd dongle), the Steelseries Arctis 1 Wireless for Xbox and the Steelseries Arctis 7x.

16-11-2020 11:22am

quokula wrote: »

On PS4, it never failed once on any game that I can remember over 6 years.

PS4 didn't have suspend/resume (with active game) at launch, it was added in 2015 so they had a long time to test it. And even still I recall a few games were buggy with it at the time. Coincidentally one of them was Watchdogs, the feature was disabled with that game due to reports of bugs and lost progress.

It's unfortunate to lose progress in any game, but it's part & parcel of being an early adopter.

_CreeD_ · 17-11-2020 2:12am

RasTa wrote: »

3D audio is proper next gen stuff. However you do have to pay extra for it

Not knocking better audio but there's nothing next-gen about HRTF based virtual surround. It's been around for decades in different iterations. So hopefully it will be a big improvement over their previous but why is this often now being presented as new tech?

McFly85 · 17-11-2020 1:01pm

As far as proper next-gen stuff, both consoles having a dedicated SSD is the clincher for me. It will be the first time devs will be developing for a platform they’re guaranteed to have ultra fast data transfer, and looking at something like ratchet and clank has me wondering what type of experiences they’ll be able to develop a couple of years down the line.

Jordan 199 · 17-11-2020 5:32pm

I'm going to do some game loading time comparisons between some of my consoles and write them down on a sheet of paper.

Example: loading time of Forza Horizon 4 on the One X v Series X.

The Raging Bile Duct · 17-11-2020 5:48pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I'm going to do some game loading time comparisons between some of my consoles and write them down on a sheet of paper.

Example: loading time of Forza Horizon 4 on the One X v Series X.

I don't know if I could handle that level of excitement.

Thecageyone · 17-11-2020 6:29pm

Aye, if it comes down to having to record time differences, it can't be that great? Happy with the load speeds I got from the nvme on my PC, if the new consoles can better that then they're great for that job at least

sniper_samurai · 18-11-2020 1:19am

CEX have their PS5 prices up. They're looking for €400 for the digital and a whopping €800 for the disc version and are offering €640 cash to trade one in. The scalpers will be having a wet dream making at least a €140 profit.

https://ie.webuy.com/search?stext=playstation%205&view=list&categoryIds=1061

johnny_ultimate · 18-11-2020 1:27am

That sort of naked cynicism is why I deplore CeX.

Vicxas · 18-11-2020 9:52am

CEX and Gamestop are cut from the same cloth.

Gally79 · 18-11-2020 11:56am

Vicxas wrote: »

CEX and Gamestop are cut from the same cloth.

I wonder for how much longer they will be able to survive. Take GameStop for example they are overpriced and their trade valuation is even lower than CEX.

Why would you but something from GameStop if you could get the same game cheaper from the likes of Amazon, Smyth Toys, Ebay etc. Suppose its just a quick fix for parents getting a birthday or xmas present.

Vicxas · 18-11-2020 12:27pm

Gally79 wrote: »

I wonder for how much longer they will be able to survive. Take GameStop for example they are overpriced and their trade valuation is even lower than CEX.

Why would you but something from GameStop if you could get the same game cheaper from the likes of Amazon, Smyth Toys, Ebay etc. Suppose its just a quick fix for parents getting a birthday or xmas present.

Judging by their god awful console launches and their supports response i doubt Gamestop will be around very much longer. They've resigned themselves to selling POP! tat and merch.

CEX might be a bit luckier as they're more HW focused than software

recyclops · 18-11-2020 12:40pm

they will be around for a long time as it seems people are reluctant to move to digital ( not myself I love it) but so many are happy to buy then trade and keep these horrible places in business

(I did recently sell my one X to Cex as I have no time for time kickers on adverts either, IE one x for sale 200 reply, hey man il give you €50, a broken gameboy and a can of lynx Africa0

CastorTroy · 18-11-2020 1:56pm

recyclops wrote: »

they will be around for a long time as it seems people are reluctant to move to digital ( not myself I love it) but so many are happy to buy then trade and keep these horrible places in business

(I did recently sell my one X to Cex as I have no time for time kickers on adverts either, IE one x for sale 200 reply, hey man il give you €50, a broken gameboy and a can of lynx Africa0

Hmm, was it a big, regular or travel size can of Africa?

recyclops · 18-11-2020 2:10pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Hmm, was it a big, regular or travel size can of Africa?

Christmas set with superficial damage to the packaging

EoinMcLovin · 18-11-2020 3:05pm

LG Electronics announces exclusive marketing partnership with Microsoft in 4 major regions. LG OLED TV now official TV partner of Xbox Series X.

https://www.lgnewsroom.com/2020/11/lg-oled-tv-and-xbox-series-x-unleash-next-gen-console-gaming-experience/

CatInABox · 18-11-2020 4:07pm

recyclops wrote: »

they will be around for a long time as it seems people are reluctant to move to digital ( not myself I love it) but so many are happy to buy then trade and keep these horrible places in business

(I did recently sell my one X to Cex as I have no time for time kickers on adverts either, IE one x for sale 200 reply, hey man il give you €50, a broken gameboy and a can of lynx Africa0

Honestly, I don't think Gamestop will be around without a major shift in direction soon. The Digital/Physical sales ratio was pushing 60%, and that was before Covid. If it goes much higher, then the Gamestop model of bricks and mortar stores just doesn't make any sense.

Cex on the other hand, are set up to survive longer. They're already a second hand shop dealing in almost everything, not just games.

18-11-2020 5:38pm

Digital Foundry Valhalla comparison between Series X|S and PS5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaSrS1fsvc&feature=emb_logo

It is performing better on PS5. It holds 60fps more consistently while Series X drops to the 50s (or even high 40s) when things get busy. Resolution and graphical settings appear the same on both.

It is an interesting start to the generation, based on the specs you would expect if it was going to favour one console it would be the X but the opposite is the case. The game is pretty buggy so in the course of patching it's possible they will equalize performance.

Series S is dynamic 1440p 30fps with lower graphical settings. Holds 30fps pretty consistently and doesn't tear as much as Series X. I think the Series X performance probably explains why it does not offer a 60fps mode on Series S yet.

Gally79 · 18-11-2020 5:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Digital Foundry Valhalla comparison between Series X|S and PS5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaSrS1fsvc&feature=emb_logo

It is performing better on PS5. It holds 60fps more consistently while Series X drops to the 50s (or even high 40s) when things get busy. Resolution and graphical settings appear the same on both.

It is an interesting start to the generation, based on the specs you would expect if it was going to favour one console it would be the X but the opposite is the case. The game is pretty buggy so in the course of patching it's possible they will equalize performance.

Series S is dynamic 1440p 30fps with lower graphical settings. Holds 30fps pretty consistently and doesn't tear as much as Series X. I think the Series X performance probably explains why it does not offer a 60fps mode on Series S yet.

AC Valhalla is extremely buggy on series X.

quokula · 18-11-2020 5:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Digital Foundry Valhalla comparison between Series X|S and PS5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaSrS1fsvc&feature=emb_logo

It is performing better on PS5. It holds 60fps more consistently while Series X drops to the 50s (or even high 40s) when things get busy. Resolution and graphical settings appear the same on both.

It is an interesting start to the generation, based on the specs you would expect if it was going to favour one console it would be the X but the opposite is the case. The game is pretty buggy so in the course of patching it's possible they will equalize performance.

Series S is dynamic 1440p 30fps with lower graphical settings. Holds 30fps pretty consistently and doesn't tear as much as Series X. I think the Series X performance probably explains why it does not offer a 60fps mode on Series S yet.

That's surprising. I was planning to pick up the PS5 version for haptic feedback, faster load times, and for a break from the hassle of suspend-resume not functioning properly and throwing away progress in all the XSX games I've played in the last week.

I assumed there might be some slight performance issues compared to the XSX and that would be a price worth paying for a better overall experience. Surprised to hear it performs better on PS5 too.

super_furry · 18-11-2020 5:59pm

I think we could well see a repeat of the PS2/Xbox generation whereby the Xbox Series X has the more powerful hardware on paper but that third party developers focus and optimise for the PS5 because it's the more popular console.

18-11-2020 6:11pm

quokula wrote: »

That's surprising. I was planning to pick up the PS5 version for haptic feedback, faster load times, and for a break from the hassle of suspend-resume not functioning properly and throwing away progress in all the XSX games I've played in the last week.

I assumed there might be some slight performance issues compared to the XSX and that would be a price worth paying for a better overall experience. Surprised to hear it performs better on PS5 too.

It surprised me also. They went in different directions with their design but certainly on paper it seemed like a straightforward advantage for the Series X.

It's rumoured that the PS5 SDK is just a continuation of the PS4 one, devs like it very much. Whereas the Series X|S one is brand new and not fully mature. It might explain the funny performance.

I'm interested to see the Cyberpunk comparison, it's not coming out for a couple of weeks though.

Retr0gamer · 18-11-2020 6:17pm

It's a weird one especially with DMC5 showing a preference for the Series X although the difference is very minor.

PS5 or Xbox Series X ?

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