Management company refused motorbike anchor in apartment block.

find out who's on the board of directors for the apartment complex and ask them directly.
If they say go ahead, ask them to email the management company with you CC'd in to say you have permission.

End of the day they are employed by the apartment owners to manage the complex like a company.
The board of directors is made up of nominated apartment owners who authorize decisions made by the management company.


before talking to someone who's on the board work out where the best spot to put the motorcycle anchor is, then ensure its not blocking any emergency exits or walk ways.
Also keep in mind, since its not in a designated spot, anyone else with a motorcycle might feel they can also use this.

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Yah I had the same experience, I said nothing to the management company and installed the anchor. Your mistake here was telling them anything tbh.

Tell him to just install it beside the bike rack and they will.never know. They will obviously never give him official permission to install one.

That is complety illegal. You must obtain authorization from the management company to install anything on the property. You are not the sole owner of this property.
If installed without authority then it will be removed and quite properly the people involved charged for these works.

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Personally I would tell the resident to fuxk off an mind their business , they don't own the car park. Absolute busy body

In these situations you are better off never asking permission because you will never get permission, you put it in and see do they remove it and if they don't happy days.

In this case if he stopped because of the resident I would have another go installing it at a time he knows this busy body won't be up and see if anyone removes it.

If you are the landlord I wouldn't get involved tbh, there's no comeback on you and if this guy can't secure his bike he will probably leave the apartment.

I would say to him do what he needs to do and not to involve you, it's not your problem

All he needs to do it get up at 7am and install the thing and it will never be removed it won't even be seen

This is quite obviously their business if an owner in the apartment complex.

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

It's not really, they don't own the car park or have anything to do with it. It's between op and the management company.

In Law under the Multi unit Development Act, 2011 each apartment owner does own share of the common areas via the owners' management company.

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Mate go fuxk yourself, damn right I'm condoning it.

You should watch your language. That's a disgraceful thing to say.

Completely unreasonable decision by the Management Company alright. Did they give a reason why it was refused?

Might be as simple as having an old fuddy duddy on the board who doesn't want 'loud motorcycles' in the carpark.

o1s1n wrote: »

Completely unreasonable decision by the Management Company alright. Did they give a reason why it was refused?

Might be as simple as having an old fuddy duddy on the board who doesn't want 'loud motorcycles' in the carpark.

The issue or reasonableness on the part of the OMC is a separate matter entirely. I suggest the reason could be the costs incurred in hiring tradesmen to undertake the works further depleting a low sinking fund. Quite clearly the tenant has no say in this matter and must abide by the decision of the OMC. If unhappy, I suggest he consider moving. The point is why did he not foresee this issue and raise it with the landlord prior to signing the lease?

The management company is entirely justified here. There could be insurance or planning issues if they condone using that space as a parking space. Even investigating whether it's possible would incur time and fees which ultimately come out of the budget at the expense of existing tenants.

Look, your tenant has a bike. He needs secure parking and therefore your apartment doesn't appear suitable. You looked into an anchor at an unused space. The management company said "no".. sometimes it's best to ask forgiveness than permission.

So up to your potential tenant really. He can take your apartment knowing the issues, maybe use that space anyway, maybe install his own anchor... but that's on him. You as landlord will be liable for any expenses or damages (as unlikely as that may be) but all you can do is pass the message on to your potential tenant.

You could release him from his lease early if it doesn't work out.

Del2005 wrote: »

Wrong. The owner in a MUD has a share in the OMC which owns the common areas. I have shares in several companies yet like the OP can't install a ground anchor in any of them.

The problem for the OP is that they asked so now they can't do anything. The fact that a neighbour has already told the tenant to stop installing the anchor means that the traditional asking forgiveness isn't going to work.

OP the tenant either needs to move or live with an unsecured bike.

This is semantics. I should know about the OMC as I am too involved and qualified to speak on the matter. The owner does indeed albeit indirectly, own a share of the common area by virtue of him owning a share in the OMC who own the common area. If you read back in to my post you will see I'm on the side of the OMC in this and never said this conferred the right to unilaterally install a ground anchor.

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There are anchors out there which can be drilled and bolted to concrete, like the base of a wall or something like that. Once a chain is slipped through them, or a cover is on them which is locked by said chain, the bolts can't be touched. However, they are easy to remove once the chain is off so if the mgmt company start acting the tool then it's easy to remove. https://www.oxfordproducts.com/motorcycle/brands/oxford/security/anchors/oxford_bruteforce_anchor/

This is an issue of perception - I find that people usually have no idea what you mean when it comes to motorbikes or motorbike security (someone recently asked me if bikes were allowed on the M50...). When they hear anchor they probably think of a big massive yoke sticking out of the ground when the reality is very different and is far from a trip hazard if bolted to a wall or something similar.

Motorbike parking should be a requirement in most places, there are EU directives on this, but unfortunately we're the ignored minority, for good or ill. Motorbikes are congestion-busting, sustainable methods of transport and should be accommodated properly.

Fair play to the OP for going to the effort of trying to accomodate the biker in question, not many landlords would bother.

However, if it were me, I'd have scoped it out, see where the bike could be parked without interfering with others, then see can I bolt an anchor point to it and say nothing.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sh1te like this is why I'd NEVER consider buying an apartment. Paying money to a management company to treat you like sh1t.

The owners can put themselves forward to be on the management company if they're unhappy with the manner its run. Legally The management company act in the interests of its owners rather than tenants of the owners as the motorbike owner is.

Del2005 wrote: »

Block and public liability insurance, landscaping, grounds and building maintenance yes management companies treat themselves like sh1t! The management company is the owners and its our litigious culture which means that a management company can't allow the installation of a trip hazard no matter how small the risk.

Plus management companies want to keep costs down and keep management fees down.

Del2005 wrote: »

There's no designated parking in the OPs complex so there is no where to install a ground anchor because anyone can use any parking bay. Say the OP got permission and installed the anchor in a parking bay at the end of the row onto the wall, so there is no trip hazard, another resident parks there and the OPs tenant now has no where to lock their bike.

Owner management companies probably have more important commitments and demands on their budget the matter of one motorbike user. It's not on their list of priorities given the response received.

I used to live in a complex in the midlands where there were these kinda semi-open wooden sheds for the bins on one side, and bicycle parking on the other. The bicycle racks were rusty from lack of use so I put the motorbike in there and left space for bicycles too. Threw a cover on it, chained to the frame of the shed (steel frame). Never an issue.

But then I didn't ask either.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You sure that's correct? He later said;

"The parking area designated for the apartment is not street facing."

Now, maybe I'm way off but wouldn't most buildings have a few spaces in the corner, etc for bikes thus avoiding a bike taking a full parking space?

And if they're is a parking space designated to the apartment, couldn't an anchor be put on the wall this avoiding the risk of tripping?

My reading is that there is designed parking for the apartments but not for each individual apartment.

"There is no designated parking. All parking is on ground level. No underground parking and it's not gated."

If they don't have a designated place then anywhere they put the anchor can be used by someone else. Depending on the complex there could be no spare spaces, most developments get permission for 1.5 spaces per unit and less in urban areas, and parking is on a first come first parked basis. So the tenant will not be sure that they would be able to get to the anchor.

Depends on the development if they have bicycle parking. In mine , no designated parking, there is no where to park a bicycle and I've been in several others, multi story blocks with designated underground parking, that don't have any bicycle parking. I know that modern developments are supposed to have bicycle parking.