Management company refused motorbike anchor in apartment block.

micar

Looking for some advice.

New tenants are due to move into an apartment next week.

The guy has a motorbike which he uses for work.

He asked me about parking his bike and having it secured.

I contacted the Management Company about the possibility of allowing him to put in an anchor.

There is no designated parking. All parking is on ground level. No underground parking and it's not gated.

Basically, anyone could walk in off the street and walk about.

The parking area designated for the apartment is not street facing.

I did suggest a place where the anchor could be put. It would not in a parking space and not in anyone's way.

The management company refused. I have asked for an explanation. I expect they won't change their mind

If he parks his bike, it's at his own risk.

Needless to say, the new tenant is worried.

Has anyone had a similar experience.

Is there anyway I can get the Management company to compromise.

Locking it at the bike rack is not a viable option due to its location.

davo2001

Why are you doing this instead of the tenant?

micar

My dad owns the apartment. I don't live there.

He'll (new tenant) be living there with his partner.

colm_c

To be honest, not a lot you can do.

When I was renting with my bike, I would not even consider anywhere without an appropriate secure parking spot for my bike.

This is on the tenant, he should have checked out parking options before committing to a lease.

I'm sure he could find something to lock the bike too, pole or otherwise, but he may find a notice from the management co.

goblin59

find out who's on the board of directors for the apartment complex and ask them directly.
If they say go ahead, ask them to email the management company with you CC'd in to say you have permission.

End of the day they are employed by the apartment owners to manage the complex like a company.
The board of directors is made up of nominated apartment owners who authorize decisions made by the management company.


before talking to someone who's on the board work out where the best spot to put the motorcycle anchor is, then ensure its not blocking any emergency exits or walk ways.
Also keep in mind, since its not in a designated spot, anyone else with a motorcycle might feel they can also use this.

micar

micar wrote: »

Looking for some advice.

New tenants are due to move into an apartment next week.

The guy has a motorbike which he uses for work.

He asked me about parking his bike and having it secured.

I contacted the Management Company about the possibility of allowing him to put in an anchor.

There is no designated parking. All parking is on ground level. No underground parking and it's not gated.

Basically, anyone could walk in off the street and walk about.

The parking area designated for the apartment is not street facing.

I did suggest a place where the anchor could be put. It would not in a parking space and not in anyone's way.

The management company refused. I have asked for an explanation. I expect they won't change their mind

If he parks his bike, it's at his own risk.

Needless to say, the new tenant is worried.

Has anyone had a similar experience.

Is there anyway I can get the Management company to compromise.

Locking it at the bike rack is not a viable option due to its location.

Yah I had the same experience, I said nothing to the management company and installed the anchor. Your mistake here was telling them anything tbh.

Tell him to just install it beside the bike rack and they will.never know. They will obviously never give him official permission to install one.

micar

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Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Yah I had the same experience, I said nothing to the management company and installed the anchor. Your mistake here was telling them anything tbh.

Tell him to just install it beside the bike rack and they will.never know. They will obviously never give him official permission to install one.

Slight problem, he took it on himself to install one yesterday and was promptly told by a resident to stop what he was doing.

I had already been told no before this. I had not told the tenant yet

I reckon the person then got in touch with the boards of management or the management company.

Makes me look like a pr1ck.......they might think I told the tenant to install it anyway.

micar

micar wrote: »

Slight problem, he took it on himself to install one yesterday and was promptly told by a resident to stop what he was doing.

Personally I would tell the resident to fuxk off an mind their business , they don't own the car park. Absolute busy body

In these situations you are better off never asking permission because you will never get permission, you put it in and see do they remove it and if they don't happy days.

In this case if he stopped because of the resident I would have another go installing it at a time he knows this busy body won't be up and see if anyone removes it.

If you are the landlord I wouldn't get involved tbh, there's no comeback on you and if this guy can't secure his bike he will probably leave the apartment.

I would say to him do what he needs to do and not to involve you, it's not your problem

All he needs to do it get up at 7am and install the thing and it will never be removed it won't even be seen

Yyhhuuu

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Yah I had the same experience, I said nothing to the management company and installed the anchor. Your mistake here was telling them anything tbh.

Tell him to just install it beside the bike rack and they will.never know. They will obviously never give him official permission to install one.

That is complety illegal. You must obtain authorization from the management company to install anything on the property. You are not the sole owner of this property.
If installed without authority then it will be removed and quite properly the people involved charged for these works.

Yyhhuuu

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

That is complety illegal. You must obtain authorization from the management company. If installed without authority then it will be removed and quite properly the people involved charged for these works.

Jesus, I didn't realise. My god lol, get the ****ing boat. If the security can't guarantee the safety of his property which they clearly can't he needs to do what is necessary.

You aren't the busy body neighbor referred to in the other post are you?

Yyhhuuu

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Personally I would tell the resident to fuxk off an mind their business , they don't own the car park. Absolute busy body

In these situations you are better off never asking permission because you will never get permission, you put it in and see do they remove it and if they don't happy days.

In this case if he stopped because of the resident I would have another go installing it at a time he knows this busy body won't be up and see if anyone removes it.

If you are the landlord I wouldn't get involved tbh, there's no comeback on you and if this guy can't secure his bike he will probably leave the apartment.

I would say to him do what he needs to do and not to involve you, it's not your problem

All he needs to do it get up at 7am and install the thing and it will never be removed it won't even be seen

This is quite obviously their business if an owner in the apartment complex.

Yyhhuuu

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Jesus, I didn't realise. My god lol

You aren't the busy body neighbor referred to in the other post are you?

Obviously you are condoning this behaviour. The question you ask doesnt warrant an answer.

Gerry Hatrick

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

That is complety illegal. You must obtain authorization from the management company to install anything on the property. You are not the sole owner of this property.
If installed without authority then it will be removed and quite properly the people involved charged for these works.

Jesus Christ lighten up

Yyhhuuu

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

This is quite obviously their business if an owner in the apartment complex.

It's not really, they don't own the car park or have anything to do with it. It's between op and the management company.

Mod: Dennis Nutritious Swan Banned for Personal Abuse

Yyhhuuu

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Jesus, I didn't realise. My god lol, get the ****ing boat. If the security can't guarantee the safety of his property which they clearly can't he needs to do what is necessary.

You aren't the busy body neighbor referred to in the other post are you?

The tenant should have seen this problem and not rented this apartment.

Yyhhuuu

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

The tenant should have seen this problem and not rented this apartment.

My god I would hate to be like you.

Jimmy Bottlehead

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

That is complety illegal. You must obtain authorization from the management company to install anything on the property. You are not the sole owner of this property.
If installed without authority then it will be removed and quite properly the people involved charged for these works.

In the real world, the chances of anything coming from this is minimal. It won't interfere with anybody else's experience of a carpark, so frankly, I'd go ahead and do it. Better to ask forgiveness than permission on this one.

Yyhhuuu

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

It's not really, they don't own the car park or have anything to do with it. It's between op and the management company.

In Law under the Multi unit Development Act, 2011 each apartment owner does own share of the common areas via the owners' management company.

Yyhhuuu

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

My god I would hate to be like you.

Why? It's the tenants problem. He should have foreseen this issue and rented elsewhere.

Yyhhuuu

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Mate go fuxk yourself, damn right I'm condoning it.

You should watch your language. That's a disgraceful thing to say.

Yyhhuuu

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

In the real world, the chances of anything coming from this is minimal. It won't interfere with anybody else's experience of a carpark, so frankly, I'd go ahead and do it. Better to ask forgiveness than permission on this one.

Be prepared to be forced to pay to remove the unauthorized works if so ordered by the Management Company.

o1s1n

Completely unreasonable decision by the Management Company alright. Did they give a reason why it was refused?

Might be as simple as having an old fuddy duddy on the board who doesn't want 'loud motorcycles' in the carpark.

Jimmy Bottlehead

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

Be prepared to be forced to pay to remove the unauthorized works if so ordered by the Management Company.

Sure thing, champ.

*thumbs up*

Yyhhuuu

o1s1n wrote: »

Completely unreasonable decision by the Management Company alright. Did they give a reason why it was refused?

Might be as simple as having an old fuddy duddy on the board who doesn't want 'loud motorcycles' in the carpark.

The issue or reasonableness on the part of the OMC is a separate matter entirely. I suggest the reason could be the costs incurred in hiring tradesmen to undertake the works further depleting a low sinking fund. Quite clearly the tenant has no say in this matter and must abide by the decision of the OMC. If unhappy, I suggest he consider moving. The point is why did he not foresee this issue and raise it with the landlord prior to signing the lease?

Skill Magill

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

That is complety illegal. You must obtain authorization from the management company to install anything on the property. You are not the sole owner of this property.
If installed without authority then it will be removed and quite properly the people involved charged for these works.

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Mate go fuxk yourself, damn right I'm condoning it.

Goose, you know Yyhhuuu is correct, right? Why are you getting upset?

Dennis Nutritious Swan

Dennis Nutritious Swan wrote: »

Yah I had the same experience, I said nothing to the management company and installed the anchor. Your mistake here was telling them anything tbh.

Tell him to just install it beside the bike rack and they will.never know. They will obviously never give him official permission to install one.

Of course they will know.
Anchor points are a potential trip Hazard which is likely why the request was rejected.

micar

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

The tenant should have seen this problem and not rented this apartment.

Correct, I should have done this.

I did explain that I would have to contact them first.

o1s1n wrote: »

Completely unreasonable decision by the Management Company alright. Did they give a reason why it was refused?

Might be as simple as having an old fuddy duddy on the board who doesn't want 'loud motorcycles' in the carpark.

I would expect this to be the case. One of the residents is a complete nightmare.

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

The issue or reasonableness on the part of the OMC is a separate matter entirely. I suggest the reason could be the costs incurred in hiring tradesmen to undertake the works further depleting a low sinking fund. Quite clearly the tenant has no say in this matter and must abide by the decision of the OMC. If unhappy, I suggest he consider moving. The point is why did he not foresee this issue and raise it with the landlord prior to signing the lease?

The tenant was going to install this himself.

Augeo wrote: »

Of course they will know.
Anchor points are a potential trip Hazard which is likely why the request was rejected.

The place I suggested would not had caused this.

Thanks for all the input.

I'll have to accept the decision to decline.

The tenant will likely decide not to move it.

I'll need to go off and find another tenant

antix80

The management company is entirely justified here. There could be insurance or planning issues if they condone using that space as a parking space. Even investigating whether it's possible would incur time and fees which ultimately come out of the budget at the expense of existing tenants.

Look, your tenant has a bike. He needs secure parking and therefore your apartment doesn't appear suitable. You looked into an anchor at an unused space. The management company said "no".. sometimes it's best to ask forgiveness than permission.

So up to your potential tenant really. He can take your apartment knowing the issues, maybe use that space anyway, maybe install his own anchor... but that's on him. You as landlord will be liable for any expenses or damages (as unlikely as that may be) but all you can do is pass the message on to your potential tenant.

You could release him from his lease early if it doesn't work out.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Of course they will know.
Anchor points are a potential trip Hazard which is likely why the request was rejected.

micar wrote: »

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The place I suggested would not had caused this.

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If it's on the ground it's a potential trip hazard. Being out of the way etc doesn't change that. The chap using it himself could trip over it.
Also parking spaces need to be designated in common areas, you can't just land a motorbike wherever suits

micar

antix80 wrote: »

The management company is entirely justified here. There could be insurance or planning issues if they condone using that space as a parking space. Even investigating whether it's possible would incur time and fees which ultimately come out of the budget at the expense of existing tenants.

Look, your tenant has a bike. He needs secure parking and therefore your apartment doesn't appear suitable. You looked into an anchor at an unused space. The management company said "no".. sometimes it's best to ask forgiveness than permission.

So up to your potential tenant really. He can take your apartment knowing the issues, maybe use that space anyway, maybe install his own anchor... but that's on him. You as landlord will be liable for any expenses or damages (as unlikely as that may be) but all you can do is pass the message on to your potential tenant.

You could release him from his lease early if it doesn't work out.

Totally agree with you

He'll be stopped from installing his own anchor again.

I'll wait for management company explanation

I'll let the tenant know and they can decide whether they want to continue moving in and take the risk.

Del2005

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

In Law under the Multi unit Development Act, 2011 each apartment owner does own share of the common areas via the owners' management company.

Wrong. The owner in a MUD has a share in the OMC which owns the common areas. I have shares in several companies yet like the OP can't install a ground anchor in any of them.

The problem for the OP is that they asked so now they can't do anything. The fact that a neighbour has already told the tenant to stop installing the anchor means that the traditional asking forgiveness isn't going to work.

OP the tenant either needs to move or live with an unsecured bike.

Yyhhuuu

Del2005 wrote: »

Wrong. The owner in a MUD has a share in the OMC which owns the common areas. I have shares in several companies yet like the OP can't install a ground anchor in any of them.

The problem for the OP is that they asked so now they can't do anything. The fact that a neighbour has already told the tenant to stop installing the anchor means that the traditional asking forgiveness isn't going to work.

OP the tenant either needs to move or live with an unsecured bike.

This is semantics. I should know about the OMC as I am too involved and qualified to speak on the matter. The owner does indeed albeit indirectly, own a share of the common area by virtue of him owning a share in the OMC who own the common area. If you read back in to my post you will see I'm on the side of the OMC in this and never said this conferred the right to unilaterally install a ground anchor.

H_Lime

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zubair

H_Lime wrote: »

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two wheels good

Suggestions:
Offer the tenant some additional moto security e.g. a quality chain and lock, a non-fixed anchor - an anchor fixed in a lump of concrete. Assuming it can be placed in a safe location.
Write to the Mng Co. to state you were not aware the tenant ignored their decision.

Fabio

There are anchors out there which can be drilled and bolted to concrete, like the base of a wall or something like that. Once a chain is slipped through them, or a cover is on them which is locked by said chain, the bolts can't be touched. However, they are easy to remove once the chain is off so if the mgmt company start acting the tool then it's easy to remove. https://www.oxfordproducts.com/motorcycle/brands/oxford/security/anchors/oxford_bruteforce_anchor/

This is an issue of perception - I find that people usually have no idea what you mean when it comes to motorbikes or motorbike security (someone recently asked me if bikes were allowed on the M50...). When they hear anchor they probably think of a big massive yoke sticking out of the ground when the reality is very different and is far from a trip hazard if bolted to a wall or something similar.

Motorbike parking should be a requirement in most places, there are EU directives on this, but unfortunately we're the ignored minority, for good or ill. Motorbikes are congestion-busting, sustainable methods of transport and should be accommodated properly.

Fair play to the OP for going to the effort of trying to accomodate the biker in question, not many landlords would bother.

However, if it were me, I'd have scoped it out, see where the bike could be parked without interfering with others, then see can I bolt an anchor point to it and say nothing.

listermint

Just lock it to a lampost in the development, job done.

Sh1te like this is why I'd NEVER consider buying an apartment. Paying money to a management company to treat you like sh1t.

Yyhhuuu

Could it be the management company thinks motorbikes might bring down the tone of the development particularly if an upmarket development? Just asking the question. Not saying I agree with this...

Yyhhuuu

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sh1te like this is why I'd NEVER consider buying an apartment. Paying money to a management company to treat you like sh1t.

The owners can put themselves forward to be on the management company if they're unhappy with the manner its run. Legally The management company act in the interests of its owners rather than tenants of the owners as the motorbike owner is.

Del2005

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sh1te like this is why I'd NEVER consider buying an apartment. Paying money to a management company to treat you like sh1t.

Block and public liability insurance, landscaping, grounds and building maintenance yes management companies treat themselves like sh1t! The management company is the owners and its our litigious culture which means that a management company can't allow the installation of a trip hazard no matter how small the risk.

Yyhhuuu

Del2005 wrote: »

Block and public liability insurance, landscaping, grounds and building maintenance yes management companies treat themselves like sh1t! The management company is the owners and its our litigious culture which means that a management company can't allow the installation of a trip hazard no matter how small the risk.

Plus management companies want to keep costs down and keep management fees down.

Del2005

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

Could it be the management company thinks motorbikes might bring down the tone of the development particularly if an upmarket development? Just asking the question. Not saying I agree with this...

There's no designated parking in the OPs complex so there is no where to install a ground anchor because anyone can use any parking bay. Say the OP got permission and installed the anchor in a parking bay at the end of the row onto the wall, so there is no trip hazard, another resident parks there and the OPs tenant now has no where to lock their bike.

Yyhhuuu

Del2005 wrote: »

There's no designated parking in the OPs complex so there is no where to install a ground anchor because anyone can use any parking bay. Say the OP got permission and installed the anchor in a parking bay at the end of the row onto the wall, so there is no trip hazard, another resident parks there and the OPs tenant now has no where to lock their bike.

Owner management companies probably have more important commitments and demands on their budget the matter of one motorbike user. It's not on their list of priorities given the response received.

listermint

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

Owner management companies probably have more important commitments and demands on their budget the matter of one motorbike user. It's not on their list of priorities given the response received.

Owner management companies rarely have priorities. Its a talking shop for the busy bodies of the estate / apartment block.

They dislike any outside the box thinking or anything that resembles an ounce of effort. copy and paste central.

Fabio

I used to live in a complex in the midlands where there were these kinda semi-open wooden sheds for the bins on one side, and bicycle parking on the other. The bicycle racks were rusty from lack of use so I put the motorbike in there and left space for bicycles too. Threw a cover on it, chained to the frame of the shed (steel frame). Never an issue.

But then I didn't ask either.

Yyhhuuu

listermint wrote: »

Owner management companies rarely have priorities. Its a talking shop for the busy bodies of the estate / apartment block.

They dislike any outside the box thinking or anything that resembles an ounce of effort. copy and paste central.

Thats not my experience as a member of an OMC. The managing agents( if in sutu) are well able to charge and he who pays the piper calls the tune Perhaps its your experience. I'm not sure if you are involved with an OMC, you didnt say? The major issues are discussed at the annual AGM. In all fairness I doubt the issue affecting the motorcyclist is high up on their agenda.

hayoc

We have had this issue in the apartment complex I live and own an apartment in.

Ive seen 3 solutions.

One guy put an anchor in the wall next to his front window and locked the bike to it. No trip hazard, invisible behind a plant pot - easy peasy.

Another guy installed an anchor in the ground next to an area of shrubs. In a little spot beside the shrubs and a lamppost - no trip hazard as there isnt space to walk between the shrubs and the lamppost.

And someone else locks a bike in the bin shed. Its not anchored, but only people with keys can open the bin sheds. And there is plenty of room.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

There's no designated parking in the OPs complex so there is no where to install a ground anchor because anyone can use any parking bay. Say the OP got permission and installed the anchor in a parking bay at the end of the row onto the wall, so there is no trip hazard, another resident parks there and the OPs tenant now has no where to lock their bike.

You sure that's correct? He later said;

"The parking area designated for the apartment is not street facing."

Now, maybe I'm way off but wouldn't most buildings have a few spaces in the corner, etc for bikes thus avoiding a bike taking a full parking space?

And if they're is a parking space designated to the apartment, couldn't an anchor be put on the wall this avoiding the risk of tripping?

Del2005

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You sure that's correct? He later said;

"The parking area designated for the apartment is not street facing."

Now, maybe I'm way off but wouldn't most buildings have a few spaces in the corner, etc for bikes thus avoiding a bike taking a full parking space?

And if they're is a parking space designated to the apartment, couldn't an anchor be put on the wall this avoiding the risk of tripping?

My reading is that there is designed parking for the apartments but not for each individual apartment.

"There is no designated parking. All parking is on ground level. No underground parking and it's not gated."

If they don't have a designated place then anywhere they put the anchor can be used by someone else. Depending on the complex there could be no spare spaces, most developments get permission for 1.5 spaces per unit and less in urban areas, and parking is on a first come first parked basis. So the tenant will not be sure that they would be able to get to the anchor.

Depends on the development if they have bicycle parking. In mine , no designated parking, there is no where to park a bicycle and I've been in several others, multi story blocks with designated underground parking, that don't have any bicycle parking. I know that modern developments are supposed to have bicycle parking.