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Mountbatten wanted United Ireland

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  • #2
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,119 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    PDN wrote: »
    It turned out 'Uncle Dickie' offered to do anything he could to help bring about a United Ireland: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/queens-cousin-wanted-united-ireland-1254247.html

    Should he now be regarded as a martyr?

    I'd be interested in McArmalite's response, as he said in another post "And to think the IRA blew up such a lovely man." He was either being sarcastic, or he had access to British Cabinet Papers before they were released into the public domain.:eek:

    I think that, if Mountbatten was allowed to express his opinion at the time, the UVF would have gotten to him instead.


  • #3
    guinnessdrinker
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    Interesting article. But I wonder if Mountbatten genuinely was hoping to see reunification or if it was wishful thinking on behalf of the Irish Ambassador.

    Possibly even more interesting is Terence O' Neil's comments refered to at the end of the article.


  • #4
    marco murphy
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    It turned out 'Uncle Dickie' offered to do anything he could to help bring about a United Ireland:

    I think it was more that he offered to assist in peace talks rather than to actively co-operate in bringing about re-unification.


  • #5
    eroo
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I'd be interested in McArmalite's response, as he said in another post "And to think the IRA blew up such a lovely man." He was either being sarcastic, or he had access to British Cabinet Papers before they were released into the public domain.:eek:

    I think that, if Mountbatten was allowed to express his opinion at the time, the UVF would have gotten to him instead.

    UVF wouldn't have gotten near him!Think about it,they lacked the ''skills'' required,they weren't used to carry out terrorist attacks such as that i.e.large scale acts.Also,it would only have backfired on them,the British Govt. would have been forced to crack down on loyalist paramilitaries


  • #6
    marco murphy
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    UVF wouldn't have gotten near him!Think about it,they lacked the ''skills'' required,they weren't used to carry out terrorist attacks such as that i.e.large scale acts.Also,it would only have backfired on them,the British Govt. would have been forced to crack down on loyalist paramilitaries
    I would'nt call it large scale really. The British Government was in cahoots with the UVF, so I doubt he would have been targetted for expressing those views.


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  • #7
    McArmalite
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I'd be interested in McArmalite's response, as he said in another post "And to think the IRA blew up such a lovely man." He was either being sarcastic, or he had access to British Cabinet Papers before they were released into the public domain.:eek:

    I think that, if Mountbatten was allowed to express his opinion at the time, the UVF would have gotten to him instead.

    Just been patronising to a gullible Irish ambassador.
    Poblachtach wrote: »
    I would'nt call it large scale really. The British Government was in cahoots with the UVF, so I doubt he would have been targetted for expressing those views.

    Totally agree Poblachtach. Besides, the most the UVF, UFF etc were ever capable was running into a Nationalist pub or shop and opening fire on anyone inside with their british supplied firearms and running away - often under the influence of drink.


  • #8
    Fratton Fred
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    Just been patronising to a gullible Irish ambassador.



    Totally agree Poblachtach. Besides, the most the UVF, UFF etc were ever capable was running into a Nationalist pub or shop and opening fire on anyone inside with their british supplied firearms and running away - often under the influence of drink.

    That sounds like you are trying to excuse a murder.

    Lets face it, the blood thirsty godfathers of the IRA wouldn't have cared if he was for or against reunification, he was a high profile royal so they would have murdered him anyway.


  • #9
    Mick86
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Lets face it, the blood thirsty godfathers of the IRA wouldn't have cared if he was for or against reunification, he was a high profile royal so they would have murdered him anyway.

    I thought the IRA held the opinion that murdering members of the Royal Family would be counter-productive.


  • #10
    Fratton Fred
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    Mick86 wrote: »
    I thought the IRA held the opinion that murdering members of the Royal Family would be counter-productive.

    Eventually I believe they did, but in the 70s and early 80s it appears that anyone was "Fair Game".


  • #11
    McArmalite
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That sounds like you are trying to excuse a murder.

    Lets face it, the blood thirsty godfathers of the IRA wouldn't have cared if he was for or against reunification, he was a high profile royal so they would have murdered him anyway.

    He was executed in retaliation for the queen awarding the officer commanding the parachute regiment on Bloody Sunday, derek wilford, an MBE for his actions. Mountbatten was the Mrs Windsor's first cousin and a leading member of the british establishment and one of the principle architects in the partition of India. In the words of Gerry Adams " What the I.R.A. did to him is what Mountbatten had been doing all his life to other people " *

    On the same day, the 27 August 1979, 18 terrorists from the british parachute regiment were also executed at Warrenpoint, Co. Down. ( I think one more died from his injuries later).

    After Bloody Sunday the Provisional IRA issued a statement saying that " Today is a day that the people of Ireland will never forget, a day will come when the people of britain will never forget about it also ". They certainly lived up to their words.

    The second-in-command that day was captain mike jackson, who became chief of the general staff of the british army in Iraq. Clearly, " the blood thirsty godfathers of the " british army and establishment are as cowardly and murderous as ever.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Eventually I believe they did, but in the 70s and early 80s it appears that anyone was "Fair Game".

    Obviously unarmed civil rights protesters along with hundreds of nationalists ( and thousands of Iraqi's ) murdered by the brit forces " was "Fair Game" ", not just for the british army and govt. but still also with 'mainland' unionists like yourself. Don't like a taste of your own medicine when it's given back - but that's the essence of been british isn't it ?

    * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten%2C_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma#Death


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  • #12
    Fratton Fred
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    He was executed in retaliation for the queen awarding the officer commanding the parachute regiment on Bloody Sunday, derek wilford, an MBE for his actions. Mountbatten was the Mrs Windsor's first cousin and a leading member of the british establishment and one of the principle architects in the partition of India. In the words of Gerry Adams " What the I.R.A. did to him is what Mountbatten had been doing all his life to other people " *

    On the same day, the 27 August 1979, 18 terrorists from the british parachute regiment were also executed at Warrenpoint, Co. Down. ( I think one more died from his injuries later).

    After Bloody Sunday the Provisional IRA issued a statement saying that " Today is a day that the people of Ireland will never forget, a day will come when the people of britain will never forget about it also ". They certainly lived up to their words.

    The second-in-command that day was captain mike jackson, who became chief of the general staff of the british army in Iraq. Clearly, " the blood thirsty godfathers of the " british army and establishment are as cowardly and murderous as ever.



    Obviously unarmed civil rights protesters along with hundreds of nationalists ( and thousands of Iraqi's ) murdered by the brit forces " was "Fair Game" ", not just for the british army and govt. but still also with 'mainland' unionists like yourself. Don't like a taste of your own medicine when it's given back - but that's the essence of been british isn't it ?

    * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten%2C_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma#Death


    so to sum up then, it was an excuse for a murder.


  • #13
    purple'n'gold
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    "He was executed in retaliation for the queen awarding the officer commanding the parachute regiment on Bloody Sunday, derek wilford, an MBE for his actions. Mountbatten was the Mrs Windsor's first cousin and a leading member of the british establishment and one of the principle architects in the partition of India. In the words of Gerry Adams " What the I.R.A. did to him is what Mountbatten had been doing all his life to other people " *

    Dear me, and here’s me thinking it was an old man, an old woman and two children on a fishing trip. I never realized they were of such military importance.


  • #14
    McArmalite
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    so to sum up then, it was an excuse for a murder.

    It was a justifiable execution - " He was executed in retaliation for the queen awarding the officer commanding the parachute regiment on Bloody Sunday, derek wilford, an MBE for his actions. Mountbatten was the Mrs Windsor's first cousin and a leading member of the british establishment and one of the principle architects in the partition of India. In the words of Gerry Adams " What the I.R.A. did to him is what Mountbatten had been doing all his life to other people ".
    purplengold wrote: »
    Dear me, and here’s me thinking it was an old man, an old woman and two children on a fishing trip. I never realized they were of such military importance.

    The death of the two children was genuinely very much regretted by the IRA, but dreadfully in all wars/conflicts innocent people are unfortunately killed. But tell me a conflict where innocent people have not been killed ?? If the deaths of innocent people in conflicts are the barometer of war crimes, britain would surely rank among the worst in history. Indeed in the ongoing conflict in Iraq 655,000 people are believed to have been killed* - a large proportion by the " the blood thirsty godfathers of the " british army ". Somehow, I don't think the same level of chest beating and pontificating will be directed at arguably the worst war criminal state in history. It's called hypocrisy.


    * http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1892888,00.html


  • #15
    Fratton Fred
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    It was a justifiable execution - " He was executed in retaliation for the queen awarding the officer commanding the parachute regiment on Bloody Sunday, derek wilford, an MBE for his actions. Mountbatten was the Mrs Windsor's first cousin and a leading member of the british establishment and one of the principle architects in the partition of India. In the words of Gerry Adams " What the I.R.A. did to him is what Mountbatten had been doing all his life to other people ".



    The death of the two children was genuinely very much regretted by the IRA, but dreadfully in all wars/conflicts innocent people are unfortunately killed. But tell me a conflict where innocent people have not been killed ?? If the deaths of innocent people in conflicts are the barometer of war crimes, britain would surely rank among the worst in history. Indeed in the ongoing conflict in Iraq 655,000 people are believed to have been killed* - a large proportion by the " the blood thirsty godfathers of the " british army ". Somehow, I don't think the same level of chest beating and pontificating will be directed at arguably the worst war criminal state in history. It's called hypocrisy.


    * http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1892888,00.html

    Please, it's the festive season, stop trying to justify murdering innocent people it just makes you look incredibly hypocritical


  • #16
    marco murphy
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    Lets face it, the blood thirsty godfathers of the IRA wouldn't have cared if he was for or against reunification, he was a high profile royal so they would have murdered him anyway.
    Perhaps. Regardless, his actions while in his position justifies his execution.
    Please, it's the festive season, stop trying to justify murdering innocent people it just makes you look incredibly hypocritical
    Perhaps you can live up to your own teachings and stop using the death of two children as a politcal football.


  • #17
    Fratton Fred
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    Poblachtach wrote: »
    Perhaps. Regardless, his actions while in his position justifies his execution.

    Personally I don't think anyone's execution is justified, but I can understand why you would say that. Mountbatten lived by the sword.
    Poblachtach wrote: »
    Perhaps you can live up to your own teachings and stop using the death of two children as a politcal football.

    More than happy to oblige.


  • #18
    eroo
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    The death of the two children was genuinely very much regretted by the IRA, but dreadfully in all wars/conflicts innocent people are unfortunately killed

    It is different if someone is killed in crossfire between troops,that can be accidental...but some fella flipping a switch or leaving on a timer..with the end result being the 'accidental' death of innocent people...just doesn't work that way.

    Btw,you use the word 'justifiable'...Mountbatten died not because of the blast,instead he died because his legs had been blown off and he subsequently drowned in the sea..
    If you can justify such a horrible death....


  • #19
    PDN
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    Poblachtach wrote: »
    Perhaps. Regardless, his actions while in his position justifies his execution.

    So if someone did nasty stuff in a previous conflict then that justifies killing them 30 years later?

    Does this logic still apply today? For example, would someone be justified in executing former IRA men today who carried out atrocities 30 years ago in a 'war' that is now over?


  • #20
    Mick86
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Please, it's the festive season, stop trying to justify murdering innocent people it just makes you look incredibly hypocritical

    Don't you laugh when the barstoolers use words like execute to give a semi-legitimate gloss to sordid murder.
    PDN wrote: »
    For example, would someone be justified in executing former IRA men today who carried out atrocities 30 years ago in a 'war' that is now over?

    Isn't that what the IRA itself has been doing of late. Admittedly it must be really confusing when you can't figure out who was working for MI-5, MI-6 or the RUC and who wasn't.


  • #21
    jahalpin
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    It was a justifiable execution - " He was executed in retaliation for the queen awarding the officer commanding the parachute regiment on Bloody Sunday, derek wilford, an MBE for his actions. Mountbatten was the Mrs Windsor's first cousin and a leading member of the british establishment and one of the principle architects in the partition of India. In the words of Gerry Adams " What the I.R.A. did to him is what Mountbatten had been doing all his life to other people ".



    The death of the two children was genuinely very much regretted by the IRA, but dreadfully in all wars/conflicts innocent people are unfortunately killed. But tell me a conflict where innocent people have not been killed ?? If the deaths of innocent people in conflicts are the barometer of war crimes, britain would surely rank among the worst in history. Indeed in the ongoing conflict in Iraq 655,000 people are believed to have been killed* - a large proportion by the " the blood thirsty godfathers of the " british army ". Somehow, I don't think the same level of chest beating and pontificating will be directed at arguably the worst war criminal state in history. It's called hypocrisy.


    * http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1892888,00.html

    People who are executed are normally tried in a court of law first. What actually happened was that he was murdered by cold blooded cowardly scum.

    It really takes a brave person to blow up an old couple and some children on a boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Calling members of the paracute regament terrorists is a bit rich, they were soldiers doing their job protecting the population from the terrorists in the IRA and trying to bring a bit of normallity to life in Northern Ireland


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  • #22
    marco murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    Don't you laugh when the barstoolers use words like execute to give a semi-legitimate gloss to sordid murder.
    Is Gerry Adams a barstooler?
    Isn't that what the IRA itself has been doing of late. Admittedly it must be really confusing when you can't figure out who was working for MI-5, MI-6 or the RUC and who wasn't.
    I don't know what you are referring to, please elaborate.
    So if someone did nasty stuff in a previous conflict then that justifies killing them 30 years later?
    Of course. Nazi war criminals no?
    Calling members of the paracute regament terrorists is a bit rich, they were soldiers doing their job protecting the population from the terrorists in the IRA and trying to bring a bit of normallity to life in Northern Ireland
    I don't see why this is alien to you at all. The Parachute Regiment were hardly model soldiers. How does protecting the population and the shooting of 28 people, and cubring of civil rights marches link?
    Is this normal to you? Scum isn't the word for them.


  • #23
    jahalpin
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    Poblachtach wrote: »
    I don't see why this is alien to you at all. The Parachute Regiment were hardly model soldiers. How does protecting the population and the shooting of 28 people, and cubring of civil rights marches link?
    Is this normal to you? Scum isn't the word for them.


    They were mostly young soldiers in what was efectively a war zone, they would have been scared and when faced with an angry mod reacted the way most poeple in their situation would have


  • #24
    marco murphy
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    They were mostly young soldiers in what was efectively a war zone, they would have been scared and when faced with an angry mod reacted the way most poeple in their situation would have
    Bullsh*t. Highly acclaimed to be the most professional. How does the shooting of 28 innocent people constitute professional?


  • #25
    jahalpin
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    Poblachtach wrote: »
    Bullsh*t. Highly acclaimed to be the most professional. How does the shooting of 28 innocent people constitute professional?


    They were unlikely to be as innocent as they are portrayed to be. Much in the same way that the IRA describe cold-blooded, illegal, cowardly murders as "justifiable executions"


  • #26
    marco murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    They were unlikely to be as innocent as they are portrayed to be.

    I think you know how weak that conclusion is.
    Marching for civil rights hardly warrants being cut down in cold blood.

    And I know it's not worth it, wasting time on a british apologist, but from where do you make your conclusion?


  • #27
    dlofnep
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    jahalpin wrote: »
    Calling members of the paracute regament terrorists is a bit rich, they were soldiers doing their job protecting the population from the terrorists in the IRA and trying to bring a bit of normallity to life in Northern Ireland

    LOL! Talk about self delusion.

    They gunned down civilians causing 14 needless deaths. Sure it was ok for them to kill children as young as 17?

    Your recollection of Bloody Sunday is either skewed or you have no idea what infact actually happened. Every documented eye-witness report, from both the civilians and irish and british media has stated that the civilians were unarmed. Along with a handful of people shot in the back as they tried to run to save their lifes, do you really think they were just "doing their job"?

    I assure you - The British forces present on Bloody Sunday were terrorists by any definition of the word.


  • #28
    Brian Capture
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    It's called hypocrisy.


    So is justifying the killing of British soldiers and Mountbatten while simulanteously regretting the death of children civilians - one of whom was Nicholas Knatchbull, a royal in the making.

    I hope you had the balls to support the Warrington attack.

    Surely a main principle of republicanism should be to celebrate all British deaths, not just the ones that suit us?


  • #29
    passive
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    Err... Since when did we get an "Up the 'Ra" forum?

    And can we retract their people cards now? please?


  • #30
    Brian Capture
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    passive wrote: »
    Err... Since when did we get an "Up the 'Ra" forum?

    And can we retract their people cards now? please?

    Go into a pub anytime England are playing a soccer or rugby match and see how many Irish people are screaming for the opposition - no matter who they are.

    If those same people haven't the balls to have the courage of the convictions and celebrate IRA bombings, the 7/7/05 attacks etc, well then they're hypocrites.


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  • #31
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    rofl

    hahahahaha
    awesome.


  • #32
    purple'n'gold
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    Brian Capture wrote: »
    Go into a pub anytime England are playing a soccer or rugby match and see how many Irish people are screaming for the opposition - no matter who they are.

    If those same people haven't the balls to have the courage of the convictions and celebrate IRA bombings, the 7/7/05 attacks etc, well then they're hypocrites.

    Have seen it a few times in my local, one idiot in particular. He’s a Liverpool fan, adores “Stevie G” as he always refers to him. When England is playing he spends the entire game shouting abuse at him. Most of us are just amused by him as he is not the sharpest tool in the box. But that type of carry on is fairly prevalent.


  • #33
    Erin Go Brath
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    Brian Capture wrote: »
    Go into a pub anytime England are playing a soccer or rugby match and see how many Irish people are screaming for the opposition - no matter who they are.

    If those same people haven't the balls to have the courage of the convictions and celebrate IRA bombings, the 7/7/05 attacks etc, well then they're hypocrites.

    Yeh, we're going to cheer for the country that has f*cked us over for 800 years, killed countless amounts of our citizens, robbed our land, divided our nation, and still up to their dirty tricks in this country today. Get a grip!

    Because people don't cheer for England, they should support the 7/7/05 attack. Thats some leap. :D I guess we are country of hypocrites then.


  • #34
    Brian Capture
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    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    Yeh, we're going to cheer for the country that has f*cked us over for 800 years, killed countless amounts of our citizens, robbed our land, divided our nation, and still up to their dirty tricks in this country today. Get a grip!

    Because people don't cheer for England, they should support the 7/7/05 attack. Thats some leap. :D I guess we are country of hypocrites then.

    I never suggested cheering for England.
    If you hate them so much then celebrating 7/7/05, Kings Cross tube station fire, McCann disappearance, Paddington rail disaster, death of English tourists in South African bus crash etc should come naturally.


  • #35
    McArmalite
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    How some people can get so worked up and melodramatic about the death of 2 children by the IRA and yet can ignore the deaths of thousands of children in Iraq and Afghanistan.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
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    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    Yeh, we're going to cheer for the country that has f*cked us over for 800 years, killed countless amounts of our citizens, robbed our land, divided our nation, and still up to their dirty tricks in this country today. Get a grip!

    Because people don't cheer for England, they should support the 7/7/05 attack. Thats some leap. :D I guess we are country of hypocrites then.
    There's always a bit of rivalry when it comes to sporting events, but as you say no one should equate wanting the other team to win with supporting terrorist acts against the UK.

    But for us "plastic paddies" born in England, when the England V Ireland match is on, at least we can be happy whatever the resault! ;)


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    How some people can get so worked up about the death of 2 children by the IRA and yet can ignore the deaths of thousands of children in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    This thread is about Mountbatten not the current Middle East conflict!


  • #38
    marco murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    Surely a main principle of republicanism should be to celebrate all British deaths, not just the ones that suit us?

    Thats pretty weak and I think you know it.
    If you hate them so much then celebrating 7/7/05, Kings Cross tube station fire, McCann disappearance, Paddington rail disaster, death of English tourists in South African bus crash etc should come naturally.
    I don't know of anyone that ''hates english people''. You're the first person here to suggest it. Anyone who ''hates english people'' are totally narrowminded and childish.
    You along with a couple of others have this distorted view that the IRA just targetted anything and everything british, including it's civilian population.
    This thread is about Mountbatten not the current Middle East conflict!

    And it's not about football matches either is it?


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    Poblachtach wrote: »

    And it's not about football matches either is it?

    That's true, but the response was referring to the comments relating to the general attitude exhibited by many Irish people towards English sporting teams when playing international games.

    This thread had drifted from the original subject anyway!

    It will soon be 30 years since he was murdered and it will be interesting to see if any documents are released from the national archives that will throw more light on this subject.


  • #40
    marco murphy
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    It will soon be 30 years since he was murdered and it will be interesting to see if any documents are released from the national archives that will throw more light on this subject.

    Indeed. I doubt there will be much more to be exposed however.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    Poblachtach wrote: »
    You along with a couple of others have this distorted view that the IRA just targetted anything and everything british, including it's civilian population.


    The list is too long to reproduce. http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/major_killings.html

    This list also includes those killed by others as well (including the British army)


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  • #42
    marco murphy
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    Can you be a little more specific please.


  • #43
    eroo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Yeh, we're going to cheer for the country that has f*cked us over for 800 years, killed countless amounts of our citizens, robbed our land, divided our nation, and still up to their dirty tricks in this country today. Get a grip!

    Oh please STFU!!!!You are the type person who is trying to hold back progress in NI.It is in the past,get over it!Move on!Everybody else either has or wants to move on...so please join them.I bet you are RSF,huh?

    PEACE IN THE NORTH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING


  • #44
    marco murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    Oh please STFU!!!!You are the type person who is trying to hold back progress in NI.It is in the past,get over it!Move on!Everybody else either has or wants to move on...so please join them.I bet you are RSF,huh?

    PEACE IN THE NORTH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

    As much as I don't care about football or any other international sport, as I believe it should be totally serperated from politics, I still believe the poster has a point there.
    Yes peace is important, top priority, however, you cannot brush under the carpet the facts, you can't have a future without a past. As for dirty tricks today, I believe that analysis is correct, so how can you ''STFU and get over it'' if it's still going on?


  • #45
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    McArmalite wrote: »
    How some people can get so worked up and melodramatic about the death of 2 children by the IRA and yet can ignore the deaths of thousands of children in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    So, because the Americans and British have killed lots of children in Iraq then it's wrong to remind us that the IRA killed children (and a lot more than 2 of them, I might add)?

    All killing of children is wrong, but as an Irishman I find it particularly repugnant that the IRA killed children in the name of my country. But, since the British have killed more children, then I guess I shouldn't be bothered about it? Hey, give me enough time and I might even become proud of it!


  • #46
    eroo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    so how can you ''STFU and get over it'' if it's still going on?

    And what dirty tricks do you speak of?


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Poblachtach wrote: »
    Can you be a little more specific please.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54761716&postcount=41
    Read the list! In particular the entries with the words "IRA" & Civilian" in them.


  • #48
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    McArmalite wrote: »
    How some people can get so worked up and melodramatic about the death of 2 children by the IRA and yet can ignore the deaths of thousands of children in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    You have already said that Mountbatten's death was justifiable and the death of the two children was unfortunate and regrettable, so who the hell are you to start getting all moralistic. I suppose Saddam was a nice guy right?

    And please explain what the hell Britain are doing in Afghanistan that is so abhorrant to you. Ten years ago I was receiving junk emails demanding that the west intervene in Afghanistan to prevent to terrible human rights attrocities being carried out by the Taliban. Now that they have, we have people like you complaining about it. The situation, I believe is under a UN mandate which is being actioned by Britain, France, the US, Australia, Turkey.....

    As PDN said, any death of civilians, especially children is tragic. Surely any organisation willing to sacrifice innocent children to further their own borders is no better than the imperialist nations they claim to deplore.

    Maybe you should take the chip off your shoulder and start looking at things in a more balanced fashion.


  • #49
    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    eroo wrote: »
    Oh please STFU!!!!You are the type person who is trying to hold back progress in NI.It is in the past,get over it!Move on!Everybody else either has or wants to move on...so please join them.I bet you are RSF,huh?

    PEACE IN THE NORTH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

    Charming! Everything i said in my post is the truth. You can live in denial, hurl abuse at whoever you like, but the facts remain.

    As for peace in the North, I honestly don't think there will be so long there is an artifical border in place. The Police force have shown time and again that they cant be trusted, and even with all the agreements haven taken place the 6 counties is just as divided and sectarian as ever before. The British Army setting up their mi5 'James Bond centre' in County Down just furthers the mistrust amongst the people, especially when they're not accountable to anyone!

    TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE NORTH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING


  • #50
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE NORTH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

    True, but surely that leads to peace.


  • #51
    McArmalite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭McArmalite


    jahalpin wrote: »
    They were mostly young soldiers in what was efectively a war zone, they would have been scared and when faced with an angry mod reacted the way most poeple in their situation would have

    Thank you for your comments regarding Bloody Sunday, you have just oroved what a vicious, secterian, supremacist mob you unionists are. No hope you'd f**k off back to the Outer Hebrides or whatever rock you crawled out from under ?


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