Cannabis Legalisation Ireland

Thelonious Monk · 02-10-2020 1:56pm

irishblessing wrote: »

So you don't drink then? Do your family or friends or are they wasters and losers.

Obama, Clinton, Steve Jobs, Varadkar, all the best musicians of the 60s/70s, all of them dabbled in drugs. It's ridiculous how narrow minded people are about drugs.

kowloonkev · 03-10-2020 9:45am

murphyebass wrote: »

And your reasons are?

I don't like seeing people inebriated on the streets, out of their senses where they're more liable to make bad decisions that affect others. I also don't think hospital staff should have to put up with drug overdoses and violent outbursts.

I would be quite happy for some form of cannabis to be offered as a prescribed drug for those with chronic pain so long as it was agreed upon by three doctors or more.

irishblessing · 03-10-2020 10:17am

kowloonkev wrote: »

I don't like seeing people inebriated on the streets, out of their senses where they're more liable to make bad decisions that affect others. I also don't think hospital staff should have to put up with drug overdoses and violent outbursts.

I would be quite happy for some form of cannabis to be offered as a prescribed drug for those with chronic pain so long as it was agreed upon by three doctors or more.

What the wha...?! So you've never been to street festivals, concerts, or been part of a drunken happy group with your pals leaving the pub having a sing song in the back of the taxi on the way home?
I have a picture of a very joyless and colourless life you depict because of the few in comparison who find themselves abusing hospital staff on a regular basis.
This thread is about Cannabis Legalisation, and it's very nearly impossible to overdose on marijuana.
3 doctors to confer on treatment? :pac: What do you want, a supreme court style hearing and 3 separate fees just to decide on one course of treatment for one person? Struggling to find any logic here.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-10-2020 10:21am

kowloonkev wrote: »

I don't like seeing people inebriated on the streets, out of their senses where they're more liable to make bad decisions that affect others. I also don't think hospital staff should have to put up with drug overdoses and violent outbursts.

I would be quite happy for some form of cannabis to be offered as a prescribed drug for those with chronic pain so long as it was agreed upon by three doctors or more.

Tell me, how often do hospitals have to put up with violent outbursts from people who overdose on cannabis?

I'm assuming you DO know what a drug is and that are all different, correct? Or no...?

murphyebass · 03-10-2020 11:52am

kowloonkev wrote: »

I don't like seeing people inebriated on the streets, out of their senses where they're more liable to make bad decisions that affect others. I also don't think hospital staff should have to put up with drug overdoses and violent outbursts.

I would be quite happy for some form of cannabis to be offered as a prescribed drug for those with chronic pain so long as it was agreed upon by three doctors or more.

Would you give over.

Yes idiots will be idiots and get drunk on the streets. But it’s the minority not the majority.

Personally i have 3 kids so I haven’t be drunk In a long while. Nice and tipsy playing a computer game or watching Netflix with herself but not drunk drunk.

And prior to that yes I got drunk but never ended up in hospital as a result.

I’ve also had plenty of weed in my time prior to kids and the odd bit in Amsterdam since kids (not around them) and have managed to function as a normal person would.

Ultimately people will find drugs somehow. Through a dealer or they’ll brew beer if they have to. Look how prohibition worked in the past ffs.

The obvious and prudent thing to do with weed is legalise it, regulate it and tax it. We’re talking about substance that is on par with alcohol and should be treated similarly.

riclad · 03-10-2020 10:35pm

If people can smoke cigarettes and drink cheap beer people over 21 should be able to go to a shop and buy hash.
Sell it and tax it. Anyone who wants it can buy it now, from a local dealer . It's like beer in the 20s prohibition.
People bought it from criminals since it was not available in legal retail outlets.
I think it's like divorce or gay marriage
, there has to be a campaign to legalise it and politicians will take action on it.
It took a long campaign for divorce to be legalised.
Ireland is now multicultural, we have many non nationals living here.
I think if it was put to a vote it would probably be made legal.
People are buying cannabis already,
Also it has many positive medical
uses, there are some medical conditions
for which cannabis is a very effective
treatment with few side effects
Using cannabis does not turn you into
a wild drug addict.
Many famous celebrity's actors and writers have admitted to using cannabis
regularly while working and living a normal life

Dionysius2 · 04-10-2020 3:58pm

This cannabis discussion is very wide ranging with entrenched positions evident on many sides. As regards what it is that drives the cannabis business at least one important element is being missed and that is the profit. The media relentlessly blare out loudly (usually in their headlines) about the value of the drugs seized. They are actually flying kites when they do that because drugs cannot be evaluated until they have been analysed and identified but a good headline on a story cannot wait. My contention is that the lurid portrayal of top notch lotto like valuations on drugs seized, excite the criminal mind (and the non criminal minds too betimes) and lure the career criminals especially to continue looking for their jackpot. Until recent times, customs and guards could often be heard to say that they probably seize merely 10% of what enters the country and if that is anyway near the truth then it follows, does it not, that there must be an awful lot of jackpots reaching base untouched by the lawmen. That kind of reporting serves as a price booster too, that is of immense value to the drug dealers.

Recidivism has been studied widely in many countries and a common thread is that the offenders who are devoted to lives of crime (over 50% in this country) spend little time reforming their mindsets towards being a better citizen and an awful lot of time figuring out a better plan which will ensure that they collect their jackpot next time. The silly thing that got them caught last time just needs to be avoided because there's multiple big bucks just waiting around the corner in the drugs market. I mean the market is huge, just look at the size of the seizures that are made, we are often told, and intended for this or that location.

And the reason the media highlight drug busts as they undoubtedly do?.....Very simple, it's because there is a long standing symbiotic relationship between the police and the media that isn't awfully difficult to figure out.

riclad · 04-10-2020 5:39pm

Cannabis is avaidable in every small town in ireland ,its just not legal to sell it or buy it.
Are you saying cannabis is fine ,if the government allows a non profit organisation to sell it at cost price.
selling beer and cigarettes and vaping acessorys is a business .
If there were legal dispensarys it would mean drug gangs would no longer make a profit selling cannabis .

irishblessing · 04-10-2020 10:28pm

A headline from the UK today:

"Mind-altering THC chemical in cannabis could help prevent and treat deadly COVID-19 complications by blocking harmful immune response, research shows"
:pac:

ShatterAlan · 05-10-2020 1:19pm

kowloonkev wrote: »

I don't like seeing people inebriated on the streets, out of their senses where they're more liable to make bad decisions that affect others. I also don't think hospital staff should have to put up with drug overdoses and violent outbursts.

I would be quite happy for some form of cannabis to be offered as a prescribed drug for those with chronic pain so long as it was agreed upon by three doctors or more.

I don't think I've ever heard of a cannabis "overdose".

And for your information when all drugs, soft and hard, were decriminalised in Portugal the instances of overdoses plummeted.

Potential-Monke · 05-10-2020 9:34pm

irishblessing wrote: »

A headline from the UK today:

"Mind-altering THC chemical in cannabis could help prevent and treat deadly COVID-19 complications by blocking harmful immune response, research shows"
:pac:

Seems to be working for me!

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't think I've ever heard of a cannabis "overdose".

You haven't. There isn't a single recorded legitimate case of cannabis overdose (specifically cannabis, not including mixing with other drugs/alcohol).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-10-2020 10:46pm

irishblessing wrote: »

A headline from the UK today:

"Mind-altering THC chemical in cannabis could help prevent and treat deadly COVID-19 complications by blocking harmful immune response, research shows"
:pac:

"Mind-altering"...?

irishblessing · 05-10-2020 10:57pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

"Mind-altering"...?

Sure! *not in hallucinogenic sense

riclad · 05-10-2020 11:08pm

People are using drugs everyday, it's easy to get them.
Making cannabis legal would probably make no difference to people turning up at Er under the influence of hard drugs.
People can od from using hard drugs
Cocaine, heroin etc
Many states in America have made cannabis legal and it has not resulted in
hospitals being flooded with drug addicts. It's sold in dispensarys and taxed. I think you need to show ID to prove you are over a certain age to buy it
People with certain medical conditions
use cannabis as a painkiller and it does not have the side effects of other drugs

amadangomor · 05-10-2020 11:15pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Sure! *not in hallucinogenic sense

Back in my younger days if you smoked enough all day you could certainly get some trippy effects.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-10-2020 12:03pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Sure! *not in hallucinogenic sense

Well - don't most life experiences alter the mind in some way in the non hallucinogenic sense?!

irishblessing · 06-10-2020 12:33pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well - don't most life experiences alter the mind in some way in the non hallucinogenic sense?!

Well... I know of some stubborn, toxic people who never learn and never grow so- no? :pac:

But there's a difference between altering your perception or perspective or mood, and taking a hallucinogenic substance that makes you see things that aren't there and alter reality beyond normality involving any or all of the 5 senses. Substances like MDMA, LSD, PCP, mushrooms, Ayahuasca etc. That's a whole other level. Marijuana doesn't do that.

Potential-Monke · 06-10-2020 11:34pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Marijuana doesn't do that.

Not quite true. Scientists recently discovered (a year ago) that people with a mutation in the CHRM3 gene are prone to hallucination after cannabis consumption. I'm pretty sure I've tripped a few times on some seriously strong skunk over the years.

However, because it's still illegal here, I can't say for definite if it's because of the mutation (if I have it) or because the weed was laced with something. But science says that yes, some people can hallucinate on cannabis.

Here's the link. Basically, the CHRM3 gene is to do with REM sleep, and they believe the cannabis activates the mutation which causes people to 'remember' and 'experience' dreams while stoned (due to serotonin and dopamine releases). And that gene also works with other genes which have been known to cause hallucinations. Early days, but the evidence appears to be there.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-10-2020 10:36am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Not quite true. Scientists recently discovered (a year ago) that people with a mutation in the CHRM3 gene are prone to hallucination after cannabis consumption. I'm pretty sure I've tripped a few times on some seriously strong skunk over the years.

However, because it's still illegal here, I can't say for definite if it's because of the mutation (if I have it) or because the weed was laced with something. But science says that yes, some people can hallucinate on cannabis.

Here's the link. Basically, the CHRM3 gene is to do with REM sleep, and they believe the cannabis activates the mutation which causes people to 'remember' and 'experience' dreams while stoned (due to serotonin and dopamine releases). And that gene also works with other genes which have been known to cause hallucinations. Early days, but the evidence appears to be there.

Fair enough, but I still wouldnt class it as a mind altering drug along the lines of psychedelics.

the beer revolu · 07-10-2020 10:52am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Fair enough, but I still wouldnt class it as a mind altering drug along the lines of psychedelics.

Many years ago at a party I had a brownie.
It was strong.
I was convinced I was tripping - distorted visuals and all. I've never experienced anything like it before or since but I was reliably informed that there was nothing but weed in the brownies.

irishblessing · 07-10-2020 10:55am

the beer revolu wrote: »

Many years ago at a party I had a brownie.
It was strong.
I was convinced I was tripping - distorted visuals and all. I've never experienced anything like it before or since but I was reliably informed that there was nothing but weed in the brownies.

:pac:

Dionysius2 · 07-10-2020 2:02pm

Does anybody have even a notion of why cannabis is legislated against in regard to possession ?

gerrybbadd · 07-10-2020 2:05pm

Dionysius2 wrote: »

Does anybody have even a notion of why cannabis is legislated against in regard to possession ?

Reefer madness is still believed by Politicians.

magic_murph · 07-10-2020 4:53pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Many years ago at a party I had a brownie.
It was strong.
I was convinced I was tripping - distorted visuals and all. I've never experienced anything like it before or since but I was reliably informed that there was nothing but weed in the brownies.

Eating is 5-6 times stronger when digested compared to smoking.

riclad · 08-10-2020 10:42pm

The laws were made decades ago, before we had research that adults can use cannabis while living a normal life and they won, t turn into a drug addict No more than someone who drinks whisky
will turn into a drunken maniac.

stefanovich · 09-10-2020 12:27pm

magic_murph wrote: »

Eating is 5-6 times stronger when digested compared to smoking.

It lasts much longer and takes a hour or two to kick in. So very easy to overdo things especially if you are impatient.

Not sure it is 5 to 6 times stronger but it gets processed by your liver and the effect is different and can be more intense.

Also, weirdly, apparently some people feel nothing the first couple of times with edibles and then, on the 3rd or 4th go, it hits them hard.

With smoking its diffficult to overdo it and if you do it wears off quickly. Imagine being paranoid as anything and it lasting for 6 hours? Not pleasant.

the beer revolu · 10-10-2020 10:40am

stefanovich wrote: »

It lasts much longer and takes a hour or two to kick in. So very easy to overdo things especially if you are impatient.

Not sure it is 5 to 6 times stronger but it gets processed by your liver and the effect is different and can be more intense.

Also, weirdly, apparently some people feel nothing the first couple of times with edibles and then, on the 3rd or 4th go, it hits them hard.

With smoking its diffficult to overdo it and if you do it wears off quickly. Imagine being paranoid as anything and it lasting for 6 hours? Not pleasant.

That party was like a zombie apocalypse!
There were 2 plates of brownies; strong and less strong with a note suggesting people start with one less strong and see how they get on.
Thinking myself well able, I ate one strong one.
Many people had 2 or 3 strong ones!
After a couple of hours (perhaps) of terror, I had a great night but there were some casualties stumbling around the place that night!
Very wary of edibles ever since then!

Gloomtastic! · 10-10-2020 11:57am

stefanovich wrote: »

It lasts much longer and takes a hour or two to kick in. So very easy to overdo things especially if you are impatient.

Not sure it is 5 to 6 times stronger but it gets processed by your liver and the effect is different and can be more intense.

Also, weirdly, apparently some people feel nothing the first couple of times with edibles and then, on the 3rd or 4th go, it hits them hard.

With smoking its diffficult to overdo it and if you do it wears off quickly. Imagine being paranoid as anything and it lasting for 6 hours? Not pleasant.

You forgot to mention the best bits - a good night’s sleep and no hangover.

Carfacemandog · 10-10-2020 12:33pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

"Mind-altering"...?

It is unquestionably mind altering, as is alcohol, caffeine and tobacco/nicotine.

Carfacemandog · 10-10-2020 12:40pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

That party was like a zombie apocalypse!
There were 2 plates of brownies; strong and less strong with a note suggesting people start with one less strong and see how they get on.
Thinking myself well able, I ate one strong one.
Many people had 2 or 3 strong ones!
After a couple of hours (perhaps) of terror, I had a great night but there were some casualties stumbling around the place that night!
Very wary of edibles ever since then!

A reasonable comparison might be someone who doesn't drink alcohol downing a pint of straight whiskey (so long as the whiskey took an hour or two to kick in and was easy to drink, making that pint very easy to consume even if by accident).

It's a bit like a story a friend of mine has of she he was 19 or 20, someone gave him a bag of coke at a house party which he had never tried before but was curious about being in that experimental stage, and told him to take some in the bathroom. Fast forward a few minutes and out he comes from the jax, having out the entire bag out in one huge line and snorted the whole thing down. It may have been a blessing in disguise though, since he never took cocaine again!

kowloonkev · 10-10-2020 2:02pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't think I've ever heard of a cannabis "overdose".

And for your information when all drugs, soft and hard, were decriminalised in Portugal the instances of overdoses plummeted.

Can you read the post I was responding to before responding to me. Same goes for about five other people who assumed I was suggesting people can overdose on cannabis.

Don't care about Portugal. It's irrelevant.

kowloonkev · 10-10-2020 2:17pm

irishblessing wrote: »

What the wha...?! So you've never been to street festivals, concerts, or been part of a drunken happy group with your pals leaving the pub having a sing song in the back of the taxi on the way home?
I have a picture of a very joyless and colourless life you depict because of the few in comparison who find themselves abusing hospital staff on a regular basis.
This thread is about Cannabis Legalisation, and it's very nearly impossible to overdose on marijuana.
3 doctors to confer on treatment? :pac: What do you want, a supreme court style hearing and 3 separate fees just to decide on one course of treatment for one person? Struggling to find any logic here.

I don't need to be intoxicated to have fun. I would have a very different viewpoint and find it a bit sad if going out on Friday nights getting plastered is your idea of a joyful and colourful life.

No, just letters from three different doctors. If the chronic pain is that bad, I don't think they would mind the extra bit of effort if it brings them relief. I don't think it would be one course, but that person would be able to get the treatment for a long period of time, depending on the normal time span of the illness, and in a lot of these cases it would likely be a permanent thing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-10-2020 10:37pm

kowloonkev wrote: »

I don't need to be intoxicated to have fun. I would have a very different viewpoint and find it a bit sad if going out on Friday nights getting plastered is your idea of a joyful and colourful life.

No, just letters from three different doctors. If the chronic pain is that bad, I don't think they would mind the extra bit of effort if it brings them relief. I don't think it would be one course, but that person would be able to get the treatment for a long period of time, depending on the normal time span of the illness, and in a lot of these cases it would likely be a permanent thing.

What about staying in, minding their own business, consuming within tolerance and not requiring permission to control their own minds?

JupiterKid · 17-10-2020 11:01pm

Rolling up an evil reefer as I type this post. Peace and love, maaaan...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-10-2020 11:06pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

Rolling up an evil reefer as I type this post. Peace and love, maaaan...

You should change your avatar to rasta colours!

riclad · 19-10-2020 3:14pm

On This week in tech podcast,
its discussed uk scientific study found that drinking is worse and more dangerous for the average person over 21 than using marijuana .
when millions of young people smoke hash it should be obvious its safe and does not lead to negative side effects in health or behavior .

https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-tech

License legal dispensarys as in the usa,
you need id to show you are over 21 ,government collects say 20 per cent tax on all drugs sold in the dispensarys .
Also it allows ordinary people to have a choice go to a legal shop
or give money to a criminal gang to get a harmless drug.
Also allow hash to be prescribed by a doctor to people for medical ailments .

Cannabis Legalisation Ireland

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