Inside Dublin’s Housing Crisis

I think investment funds will have their own problems.

Reality might not be what it seems to be for some people.

Don't remember anyone I know or myself getting a bill. What form was this bill.

I've heard of women with kids who had to wait a decade for a place, and that was years ago. A single man is not going to get anything.

That said, if I had the option of having a social house/apartment for a song, I'd probably take it. Mind you, everyone I know who has one seems to do nothing but complain. Hmm

Funny, one of my former MMA sparring buddies went to Brazil to get himself a "trad wife", as they say. She seems very nice, so I hope it works out. Personally, however, I've seen too many good men ruined by bad marriages. If I wanted to sign a marriage contract I'd just cut to the chase. That is, I'd find a harridan and give her my house. :D. I guess that makes me "blackpilled", as they say in that community.

Using that analogy cities would never expand. You would think we are asking people to move hundreds of miles away from where they were brought up. The vast majority of people have at least one car in the household and those that don't have access to public transport.

Totally agree. But in the end it comes down to money.

In Ireland emigration is not recent development.

I do agree it's not ideal for many people. But equally for some people it's gives them opportunities and experiences they'd never get here.

You can't instantly replicate the community and friendships you build over time. We are not robots :)

It's on my list to visit some time! However, in the case of the tenement clearances, very often the same people moved to the new housing together. Ergo, they had the same people around them. This CAN indeed preserve a community, but I was talking about individuals or families moving away to totally new areas.

Incidentally, if anyone wants to read an excellent book on the tenements, I recommend this:

Communities are built of shared interests, anything a sports team, gardening, schools, any thing and everything. They evelove. It's a very romantic and nostalgic view of community to think otherwise.

I think it is more that some people think the community will solve all the problems of loneliness, mental health issues, and social issues it doesn't really work like that.

Were average house prices 4 times the average salary in the 50s?

The other points arent relevant as the demand for housing influences the average price.

I don't disagree, but this line caught my eye:

"Having done so, FG want to pull up the ladder and leave the young to service the 200 billion euro debt."

I think the idea that anything would have been different if FF, SF or any other party had been in power. No political party beyond the fringes has anything other than some flavour of neo-liberalism to offer, along with smatterings of bizarre ideology, rainbow flags and mass immigration.

I ask myself why we consistently elect governments and have a state bureaucracy replete with worthless individuals, lunatics and Machiavellians, but then what is it that adage has to say about a country getting the government that it deserves?

I always wondered what Mad Max would have been like if it were to have taken place in Ireland:

Mad Mick 3: Beyond Cavan.

...only that austerity is well known, and also well researched, and from respected sources, to cause serious long term social problems.....

...again, the root causes of the 08 crash was ultimately based in whats generally called neoliberal based polices that have been implemented globally over the last few decades, which has lead to widescale financialsation of our economies, in particular in relation to our property markets, whos main aim is simply to inflate, and continually re-inflate the value of these assets. such polices only truly benefit those that own such assets, primarily older generations, but directly damages non asset owners, i.e. primarily younger generations....

...so we better embrace the long term sh1t show its now creating such as the rise of the extremes, and the de-stabilising effects this is having on our economies and societies that this is causing!

That money was borrowed (or more correctly, "printed") to prop up an enormously inflated state that came to be due to years of horrifically irresponsible spending during the Celtic Tiger years. In 2008, we could have either made cuts to bring things under control, or we could have kicked the can down to younger people to worry about. Older generations made the decision, and I doubt that most people even paused to consider what they were doing or even cared. Thus, you are correct that the 200 billion was not borrowed directly to inflate a property market. However, it indirectly did just that.

What's the solution to this? I don't have one, and I actually believe that there is no real coming back from this.

The rhetoric repeated here that money was printed/borrowed post 08 to inflate/maintain the property bubble seems directly at odds with the fact that Ireland had one of (if not the) largest peak to trough of property values in the 5 years that followed 2008.

As our national debt grew rapidly. Our property prices fell more than almost any country in history.

Our national debt then began to shrink in 2013 (until 2020) which is precisely when property prices began to grow again.