All year residential mobile home parks?

Orlak2410 · 11-09-2020 5:09pm #1

Does anyone know if there are any mobile home parks in the greater dublin area that are open all year long that you can permanently live in?

ning sudnaen · 12-09-2020 6:51am

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are any mobile home parks in the greater dublin area that are open all year long that you can permanently live in?

i believe no but you can become a gypsie

salmocab · 12-09-2020 7:07am

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are any mobile home parks in the greater dublin area that are open all year long that you can permanently live in?

I would be surprised if such a thing would get planning permission.

Gumbo · 12-09-2020 8:51am

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are any mobile home parks in the greater dublin area that are open all year long that you can permanently live in?

Normally speaking id say no. You cannot get planning.
But in saying that I’ve heard of stories of sites that are year round on these forums up around Louth, skerries.

Graces7 · 13-09-2020 3:47am

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are any mobile home parks in the greater dublin area that are open all year long that you can permanently live in?

I don't know your area but certainly these exist in eg Kerry. I used to drive past one every week. And Donegal ..Google year round sites etc?

bobbyy gee · 13-09-2020 4:21am

ning sudnaen wrote: »

i believe no but you can become a gypsie

I think you have to be born a gypsie

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/roma-gypsies-in-prewar-europe#:~:text=Roma%20(Gypsies)%20originated%20in%20the,tribes%22%20or%20%22nations.%22

Graces7 · 13-09-2020 8:07am

bobbyy gee wrote: »

I think you have to be born a gypsie

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/roma-gypsies-in-prewar-europe#:~:text=Roma%20(Gypsies)%20originated%20in%20the,tribes%22%20or%20%22nations.%22

If you use a capital G to denote actual nationality yes. But lower case which describes a chosen life style? No! Saying eg you are a gypsy at heart is perfectly fine...

Mrcaramelchoc · 13-09-2020 8:11am

I've always thought that was crazy. If you own a mobile home ,you are not allowed to stay in it or visit it during the winter. I love the seaside in winter. It's a crazy rule. Especially if you own it.

Graces7 · 13-09-2020 8:20am

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

I've always thought that was crazy. If you own a mobile home ,you are not allowed to stay in it or visit it during the winter. I love the seaside in winter. It's a crazy rule. Especially if you own it.

Is that true? Why?

Darc19 · 13-09-2020 8:23am

Why not visit them and ask.

There may be a grey area whereby you have to vacate for a week here and there in order to comply with any regulations

shesty · 13-09-2020 8:25am

They are mobile home parks near us that are quiet and open all year to my knowledge.You can park up a camper van in them too.
It could be a case of just moving out for a week here and there to make it legal.

Victor · 13-09-2020 8:56am

Note that the vast majority of mobile homes in Ireland are unsuitable for living in during winter.

Mrcaramelchoc · 13-09-2020 9:44am

Graces7 wrote: »

Is that true? Why?

Well I think the reason is owners of mobile home sites just shut shop during the winter and one of the rules is no access. Besides that you'd have no electricity no running water etc.so no reason to go there.

Irish_peppa · 13-09-2020 9:54am

There used to be one in swords behind an old cottage, just checked with satellite view seems to be gone only 1 mobile left. Mate told me people used to actually live all year round here.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4614014,-6.2275099,60m/data=!3m1!1e3

Riesen_Meal · 13-09-2020 9:58am

Irish_peppa wrote: »

There used to be one in swords behind an old cottage, just checked with satellite view seems to be gone only 1 mobile left. Mate told me people used to actually live all year round here.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4614014,-6.2275099,60m/data=!3m1!1e3

That one is gone I thought, I think there is one in Donabate though where people live year round....

whisky_galore · 13-09-2020 9:58am

I believe they're called "halting sites".

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 10:31am

salmocab wrote: »

I would be surprised if such a thing would get planning permission.

I don't know why permanent residential 'trailer parks' are so popular in North America but nowhere else

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 10:33am

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

I've always thought that was crazy. If you own a mobile home ,you are not allowed to stay in it or visit it during the winter. I love the seaside in winter. It's a crazy rule. Especially if you own it.

Yeah it's just typical of ireland isnt it. They are very popular in America as they are a very affordable form of accommodation especially for minimalists etc.

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 10:35am

Victor wrote: »

Note that the vast majority of mobile homes in Ireland are unsuitable for living in during winter.

Yeah they might not be ideal but you could make it work

Irish_peppa · 13-09-2020 10:35am

Orlak2410 wrote: »

I don't know why permanent residential 'trailer parks' are so popular in North America but nowhere else

I allways wondered that too. Albeit it a bit cold in the winter, If need be i wouldnt mind living in one given the option of it or a bedsit !

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 13-09-2020 10:36am

Graces7 wrote: »

If you use a capital G to denote actual nationality yes. But lower case which describes a chosen life style? No! Saying eg you are a gypsy at heart is perfectly fine...

So can I become a traveller then?

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 10:38am

whisky_galore wrote: »

I believe they're called "halting sites".

That's a bit unfair. Just because in ireland and England they're quite popular among travellers doesn't mean they shouldn't be used for long term residential accommodation like in america.

Graces7 · 13-09-2020 10:39am

Darc19 wrote: »

Why not visit them and ask.

There may be a grey area whereby you have to vacate for a week here and there in order to comply with any regulations

Ah I would love to, but am housebound, cocooning etc. And a much wider source of information here...
Looking, they have them in NI and the UK. and in Europe.

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 10:41am

Irish_peppa wrote: »

I allways wondered that too. Albeit it a bit cold in the winter, If need be i wouldnt mind living in one given the option of it or a bedsit !

I would prefer to live in one than the studio I'm in now with the noisy plumbing and neighbours banging around upstairs. I don't mind the cold so much and I could have a little garden and parking space.

Graces7 · 13-09-2020 10:42am

Victor wrote: »

Note that the vast majority of mobile homes in Ireland are unsuitable for living in during winter.

In what way , please? Our winters are not severe.

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 10:43am

Graces7 wrote: »

Ah I would love to, but am housebound, cocooning etc. And a much wider source of information here...
Looking, they have them in NI and the UK. and in Europe.

They should be in ireland then aswell but it's too much of a nanny state

Graces7 · 13-09-2020 10:47am

Orlak2410 wrote: »

They should be in ireland then aswell but it's too much of a nanny state

And we have a housing shortage? Sigh.

There was a thread here a while ago, a man who was living in his van? Moving it between a few different places every night. Often wondered how he got on.

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 10:51am

Graces7 wrote: »

And we have a housing shortage? Sigh.

There was a thread here a while ago, a man who was living in his van? Moving it between a few different places every night. Often wondered how he got on.

Yeah it would help the housing crisis if this was the become a thing. Very affordable.

whisky_galore · 13-09-2020 11:42am

Orlak2410 wrote: »

That's a bit unfair. Just because in ireland and England they're quite popular among travellers doesn't mean they shouldn't be used for long term residential accommodation like in america.

One tradesman I know had this Czech guy helping him, not long in the country and passing this halting site, Czech guy looks at it and says "your holiday villages are very dirty!"

titan18 · 13-09-2020 11:50am

Graces7 wrote: »

In what way , please? Our winters are not severe.

Have you ever spent time in one?

We have one in Kerry that we use in the summer and by late August they get very cold. Same when you go down in May.

The park we're in shut down in September and reopen end of April and owner turns off services. It's sensible to do so, we'd just be paying higher fees for them if it was open year round and very few would have any interest in going down to them.

Irish_peppa · 13-09-2020 11:53am

Wonder what would happen if you arrived at a halting site with a caravan and casually parked up in a free spot. I guess in theory you would be allowed or would you have to give some sort of evidence you were a genuine traveller?

killbillvol2 · 13-09-2020 12:22pm

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are any mobile home parks in the greater dublin area that are open all year long that you can permanently live in?

I know a family living year round in a park near Bettystown. Quite a number of permanent residents there. And another near Carlingford. The couple in Carlingford have one of those non mobile type buildings and just pay rent to the site owner and pay for services.

So, in short, they do exist.

Graces7 · 13-09-2020 12:32pm

titan18 wrote: »

Have you ever spent time in one?

We have one in Kerry that we use in the summer and by late August they get very cold. Same when you go down in May.

The park we're in shut down in September and reopen end of April and owner turns off services. It's sensible to do so, we'd just be paying higher fees for them if it was open year round and very few would have any interest in going down to them.

We are not talking , I think, about a summer park but one that is open all year and equipped for that. "cold" depends what you are used to. Many cheaper rentals are far from warm. Trailers can be snug places. And yes,

Rodney Bathgate · 13-09-2020 12:36pm

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Wonder what would happen if you arrived at a halting site with a caravan and casually parked up in a free spot. I guess in theory you would be allowed or would you have to give some sort of evidence you were a genuine traveller?

You can self identify as a traveller.

Victor · 13-09-2020 12:50pm

Graces7 wrote: »

In what way , please? Our winters are not severe.

Most mobile homes in Ireland are completely uninsulated. No only do you risk freezing, but so does the plumbing. The large surface area relative to the volume will mean they can freeze very quickly.

Man with broke phone · 13-09-2020 2:01pm

Horrible the way things are going that people think they should fix the houseing problem by making the young and poor live in vans and caravans. Once this becomes a thing it soon becomes the norm. Then it just becomes accepted.

There is a few year round sites up by donabate, skerries balbriggan. The one I have experience and know prople from is full of drug dealers and prostitutes. People who keep getting kicked out of theor rental accomodations because the houses keep getting raided. They can live there annonymously.

All day drinking, fighting and cars and caravans getting burned regularly. It certainly not a place for a young family or a woman looking to grow a few vegetables in her little garden.

runawaybishop · 13-09-2020 2:41pm

Orlak2410 wrote: »

I don't know why permanent residential 'trailer parks' are so popular in North America but nowhere else

Because in America they don't care about people and their houses are often not much better built than a cardboard box.

Orlak2410 · 13-09-2020 5:10pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Horrible the way things are going that people think they should fix the houseing problem by making the young and poor live in vans and caravans. Once this becomes a thing it soon becomes the norm. Then it just becomes accepted.

There is a few year round sites up by donabate, skerries balbriggan. The one I have experience and know prople from is full of drug dealers and prostitutes. People who keep getting kicked out of theor rental accomodations because the houses keep getting raided. They can live there annonymously.

All day drinking, fighting and cars and caravans getting burned regularly. It certainly not a place for a young family or a woman looking to grow a few vegetables in her little garden.

Sounds like the trailer parks in america but a lot of flats and council estates are dangerous places aswell

Man with broke phone · 13-09-2020 5:19pm

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Sounds like the trailer parks in america but a lot of flats and council estates are dangerous places aswell

These are the lads the council estates dont want to be honest.

In fairness its hard for young men to get council housing and they end up on rent allowance. The rent allowance they get doesnt cover a besit in dublin anymore. They have to get shared accomadation.

After a few years getting thrown out, police raided, not paying rent, leaving without notice the landlords and people in shared accomadation start to know the really mad lads. They end up finding it very hard to get anywhere.

They head out to the caravan sites. The boys I know who have lived out there all year round only moved out when they got themselves a single mother with a council house.

Ive only met the girls living in them briefly and wouldnt know their story but I know a few of them are ex prostitutes.

When I was younger I used to do alot of nixers fixing caravans and they dont mind paying in cash.

Lissoy · 13-09-2020 5:29pm

McDonagh's in Bettystown is open year round and is mostly occupied by people living there permanently. A lot of retired and divorced/separated people live there. It's cheaper than renting your own place and a better option than sharing a house for a lot of people.
It's far from ideal accommodation but with the cost of property situation in Ireland and most developed countries now it's the only reasonable option for some people.

JustAThought · 13-09-2020 5:42pm

There was a story some time back about some mod snip - watch your language who even his iwn utterly despised and hated and story goes that he came back from the pub/Mass one day to find his car/caravan/horse- absolutely everything he owned - vanished - totally gone. All that was left was a huge stAtue if the Virgin Mary. It made front page of the tabloids - hilarious reading!

Also some all year round caravan park near St Itas - fulll of drug dealers and crims. There has been a few murders and atabbings and reported burnings with people inside out there. Not a life you want to adopt. I guess this is why and with past ‘experiences’ you win’t find welcoming arms if your rock up somewhere with your wanderly wagon behind you looking for a bit of land to pull up and park in. Past experiences and all that...

I did a bit of work in Washington and was based in Virginia for a while - it was shocking - driving past hundreds if acres of mobile homes and caravans with thousands of impovisherished americans living in squalor on top of each other in them. Cars as big as the caravans parked alongside and their refuse blowing about and kids bikes thrown alongside waste pumps and water barrels. Shocking stuff. First world living my aras.

Which reminds me - ‘My Name is Earl’ - set In a trailer park - funniest film/DVD series EVER. Shows life on the road in a RV lifestyle in a totally different light!

Beltby · 13-09-2020 5:50pm

My family had a mobile home in Wexford for 15 years. The site was open year round, although living there wasn't allowed. If you did live there, the individual sites were purposely not numbered so you couldn't get post delivered there.

Someone mentioned the cold in winter in a mobile. The last one my folks bought had double glazing and central heating, and this was 17 years ago. It was fine in winter.

Darc19 · 13-09-2020 7:12pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Ah I would love to, but am housebound, cocooning etc. And a much wider source of information here...
Looking, they have them in NI and the UK. and in Europe.

Because it's a grey area they are not going to say anything over the phone, but face to face they may "suggest" a solution.

Certainly many Beach holiday homes would have people in them all year.

enricoh · 13-09-2020 9:52pm

Mc donaghs in bettystown and iirc lynches there are full time. 3-3500 a year but big waiting list apparently.
Good few retired people flogged their gaff in Dublin during the tiger n split their time between there and apartment in spain.

Ish66 · 13-09-2020 10:08pm

titan18 wrote: »

Have you ever spent time in one?

We have one in Kerry that we use in the summer and by late August they get very cold. Same when you go down in May.

The park we're in shut down in September and reopen end of April and owner turns off services. It's sensible to do so, we'd just be paying higher fees for them if it was open year round and very few would have any interest in going down to them.

A bit of thought, some extra insulation and a pot belly stove and you could make it very cozy even in the coldest Irish winter.

Wildly Boaring · 13-09-2020 10:13pm

Lissoy wrote: »

McDonagh's in Bettystown is open year round and is mostly occupied by people living there permanently. A lot of retired and divorced/separated people live there. It's cheaper than renting your own place and a better option than sharing a house for a lot of people.
It's far from ideal accommodation but with the cost of property situation in Ireland and most developed countries now it's the only reasonable option for some people.

Was just coming on to say same.
Seems a pretty good clientele.
We live nearby

Graces7 · 14-09-2020 2:58am

A varied picture like many other things.

The "bad" sounds like many estates.

I keep an eye on UK rentals and they have parks for retired folk, villages of mobile homes that look well run, and far more congenial for many than an old folks' home and with more privacy and independence. Your own front door to the outside world.

Orlak2410 · 14-09-2020 5:55pm

JustAThought wrote: »

There was a story some time back about some mod snip - watch your language who even his iwn utterly despised and hated and story goes that he came back from the pub/Mass one day to find his car/caravan/horse- absolutely everything he owned - vanished - totally gone. All that was left was a huge stAtue if the Virgin Mary. It made front page of the tabloids - hilarious reading!

Also some all year round caravan park near St Itas - fulll of drug dealers and crims. There has been a few murders and atabbings and reported burnings with people inside out there. Not a life you want to adopt. I guess this is why and with past ‘experiences’ you win’t find welcoming arms if your rock up somewhere with your wanderly wagon behind you looking for a bit of land to pull up and park in. Past experiences and all that...

I did a bit of work in Washington and was based in Virginia for a while - it was shocking - driving past hundreds if acres of mobile homes and caravans with thousands of impovisherished americans living in squalor on top of each other in them. Cars as big as the caravans parked alongside and their refuse blowing about and kids bikes thrown alongside waste pumps and water barrels. Shocking stuff. First world living my aras.

Which reminds me - ‘My Name is Earl’ - set In a trailer park - funniest film/DVD series EVER. Shows life on the road in a RV lifestyle in a totally different light!

If you like that you should watch trailer park boys. Brilliant show.

Orlak2410 · 14-09-2020 6:12pm

enricoh wrote: »

Mc donaghs in bettystown and iirc lynches there are full time. 3-3500 a year but big waiting list apparently.
Good few retired people flogged their gaff in Dublin during the tiger n split their time between there and apartment in spain.

Couldn't find mcdonaghs online but I found lynch's and it says on the site that occupation during the winter months is strictly forbidden along with a list of other rules

runawaybishop · 14-09-2020 9:29pm

Beltby wrote: »

My family had a mobile home in Wexford for 15 years. The site was open year round, although living there wasn't allowed. If you did live there, the individual sites were purposely not numbered so you couldn't get post delivered there.

Someone mentioned the cold in winter in a mobile. The last one my folks bought had double glazing and central heating, and this was 17 years ago. It was fine in winter.

Most mobile homes are summer spec. One that is suitable for the winter would cost a fortune new. They depreciate massively though, so you can pick them up second hand a lot cheaper.

Beltby · 14-09-2020 10:16pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Most mobile homes are summer spec. One that is suitable for the winter would cost a fortune new. They depreciate massively though, so you can pick them up second hand a lot cheaper.

Actually they bought in punts, and sold it 9 months later in euros, that's how long ago it was. 3 bedroom, en suite bathroom plus a main bathroom, gas central heating and double glazed, 39' x 12', was 37k punts at the time. Up until that point, mobiles kept their value especially if they were on a good site. My folks sold it for 37k euros. I think they lost about 5k or so. But they used the money towards buying a house in Wexford so all good.

In the years since, they depreciate like a stone alright.

All year residential mobile home parks?

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