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Arlene Foster at it again...

  • 30-11-2020 10:45am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 548 ✭✭✭


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1181287/


    Complains about Laois/Offaly TD's tweet on the Kilmicheal ambush and plans to write to our Ceann Comhairle.

    Is she right or should she just fcuk right off?

    I mean it couldn't be any worse than marching through the streets of NI every year, reminding people of some stupid battle in the 1600s.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,659 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1181287/


    Complains about Laois/Offaly TD's tweet on the Kilmicheal ambush and plans to write to our Ceann Comhairle.

    Is she right or should she just fcuk right off?

    I mean it couldn't be any worse than marching through the streets of NI every year, reminding people of some stupid battle in the 1600s.

    In this case she is right. Comparing events in the 1600s is very different than in i the 70s....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    She has a point ,

    If the British boasted about killing IRA terrorists then there would be uproar by Mary Lou and co ,


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    Ah sure if she doesn't agree with something that's that, fecking battleaxe, nothing wrong with commemorating successful attacks or campaigns or however you wanna call them on the occupying British, who never should have been here anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1181287/


    Complains about Laois/Offaly TD's tweet on the Kilmicheal ambush and plans to write to our Ceann Comhairle.

    Is she right or should she just fcuk right off?

    I mean it couldn't be any worse than marching through the streets of NI every year, reminding people of some stupid battle in the 1600s.

    Hate to say it, but she is absolutely right.

    Stanley joins the ranks of the unreconstructed thugs in Sinn Fein.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Sinn Fein are a pox and an embarrassment. They hadn't got the balls to run enough candidates to win the election outright, proving they don't want to be in government. Then they have idiots like this fella, McElduff posing with a kingsmill loaf on his head and that other thick in the South East singing about the 'RA' when he got elected.

    Sinn Fein have been the biggest opposition party for some time now and have let this government away with murder because they're all fart and no ****e. No balls to step up and no workable policies, only guff and bluster trying to keep us in the 70s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Whenever the topic of the IRA is brought up by Leo and Co the SF supporters accuse them of living in the past etc...... it seems however a large part of SF have not moved on themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Complains about Laois/Offaly TD's tweet on the Kilmicheal ambush and plans to write to our Ceann Comhairle.

    Just for accuracy the tweet contained reference to both kilmichael and narrow water. The latter very much in living memory for many.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Its got absolutely nothing to do with her. The british army deserved all they got here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    The poor parachute regiment. Were just trying to spread peace and love on the island when they were attacked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    The Warrenpoint attack did show the IRA were a formidable foe for the British Army.

    They parked a hay trailer containing a bomb on Down side of estuary and blew it up from Co Louth when the army convoy passed. They had set up attack near a ruin, knowing the British had a practice of setting up their HQ in the nearest building.

    They had booby trapped the ruin and it was here than they did most damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    did he mention the kids/civilians that were targeted/murdered on that wonderful and proud weekend for Ireland and the Republican meeting... or did he just pretend to forget that happened?

    EDIT/PS: A Foster can feck off. If she wants to judge others she should ensure her party stop hanging out with terrorists


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Hate to say it, but she is absolutely right.

    Stanley joins the ranks of the unreconstructed thugs in Sinn Fein.

    Strongly suspect this to be a big stinkin lie tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Of course she is right, and I have no real gra for her.

    This is 2020...we are supposed to be tolerant, cooperative, friendly, peace-building and living and trying to live happily as a people

    This kind of carry on from an elected rep is disgraceful..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The poor parachute regiment. Were just trying to spread peace and love on the island when they were attacked

    You are missing the point...

    We need to move on and build peace

    I was never a critic of the IRA during the times they operated....

    I had a lot of understanding and sympathy for the plight of Irish people up north

    But for god's sake, can't we adapt/change/mature and move on to try and make things happier and more tolerant and more caring?

    There is absolutely no place in a caring and cooperative and civilized society for this.

    We have had it.....the IRA did what they needed to do "at the time."

    I don't care what side you are on

    We are all people, all humans with families.....show some bloody decency and park the desire to stir up old and sad and desperate wounds...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Walshb you're missing the point, the fact Stanley mentioned Kilmiachel and Narrow water in the same tweet was a subtle hint.

    I know Flanagan and FG got their holes handed to them when they tried to get a state commemoration for the Black and Tans passed, but what other country in the world tries to honour their oppressors?

    Kilmiachel good - Narrow water bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Walshb you're missing the point, the fact Stanley mentioned Kilmiachel and Narrow water in the same tweet was a subtle hint.

    I know Flanagan and FG got their holes handed to them when they tried to get a state commemoration for the Black and Tans passed, but what other country in the world tries to honour their oppressors?

    Kilmiachel good - Narrow water bad.

    Can you address the tweet, and leave out bringing in other parties...

    Can you condemn this tweet as wrong, insensitive and something no elected rep could justify/stand over?

    You are for ever obfuscating and moving goal posts...


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Former UDR man and opponent of the Good Friday Agreement Jeffrey Donaldson now describing the Kilmichael Ambush commemorations as a celebration of 'murder'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Whenever the topic of the IRA is brought up by Leo and Co the SF supporters accuse them of living in the past etc...... it seems however a large part of SF have not moved on themselves.


    Except it's not in the past. Current members of SF stood and applauded a man known to have murdered a Guard.


    Let that sink in for a moment. Current SF members, today, knowing this man MURDERED a Guard, decide to stand and applaud this man.



    It's actually incredible when you give it some thought. We've become de-sensitised to them at this stage, which is very dangerous. Hope the 25% backing SF in the polls truly know who they are supporting.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    Absolutely disgusting thing for an elected representative to say.

    Deleting the statement proves it was wrong.
    What was he thinking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    atticu wrote: »
    Absolutely disgusting thing for an elected representative to say.

    Deleting the statement proves it was wrong.
    What was he thinking?

    He simply could not hold his tongue...

    Should be asked to resign...simple as......

    A guy like that is dangerous....now, are SF going to act and remove? Hardly....

    I say that as someone who would be of a nationalist view

    What is it with some nationalists and their continued hate/contempt....

    Do they think it makes them more Irish-Nationalist to be Brit hating?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    These comments are as bad as Paddy Holohans comments and they acted there, albeit too little too late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    he was right about narrow water - it changed a lot of how the british army done things. Uncomfortable truths for the DUP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    maccored wrote: »
    he was right about narrow water - it changed a lot of how the british army done things. Uncomfortable truths for the DUP

    Seriously,

    are you being deliberately obtuse here?

    If that was a Unionist reminding us of the "successful" SAS mission in Gibraltar for example, would that be ok as well?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    My heart bleeds for them. The same DUP that defended their councillors posing for pictures in from of burning tri colours last year.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/edenderry-bonfire-margaret-tinsely-dup-4711969-Jul2019/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    smurgen wrote: »
    My heart bleeds for them. The same DUP that defended their councillors posing for pictures in from of burning tri colours last year.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/edenderry-bonfire-margaret-tinsely-dup-4711969-Jul2019/

    Pointing out hypocrisy and double standards doesn't absolve this tweet and action by Stanley


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Except it's not in the past. Current members of SF stood and applauded a man known to have murdered a Guard.


    Let that sink in for a moment. Current SF members, today, knowing this man MURDERED a Guard, decide to stand and applaud this man.



    It's actually incredible when you give it some thought. We've become de-sensitised to them at this stage, which is very dangerous. Hope the 25% backing SF in the polls truly know who they are supporting.

    I genuinely don't get the outrage with SF.

    It's not the their "mask is slipping" or that "they are showing their true colors" or whatever pretend shock that people want to present etc.

    It is an unambiguous fact that the IRA has ended the life of multiple UK and Irish soldiers and police/Gardai on both sides of the border and multiple innocent civilians.

    In the eyes of SF these deaths have all been of value. It was legitimate to murder an innocent child if it furthers the cause of their concept of a united Ireland. It was legitimate to intimidate, kneecap, and murder their own community to enforce "civil" discipline against people trying to get in on the IRAs criminal monopoly in the catholic community.

    It was legitimate to smuggle, launder fuel, kidnap people, rob banks, post offices and kill anyone who got in their way, in order to finance their "political" activities.
    It was legitimate to rob £26 million for a pension fund when they realised they would have to stop robbing banks and murdering/kidnapping people.

    SF and the IRA have always looked after and celebrate their own and continue to do so.

    So if SF is actively celebrating the above, what right do we have to display faux shock?

    If people are genuinely shocked that members of SF feel that killing (British soldiers, RUC, Irish Soldiers, Gardaí, school bus drivers, delivery men, cleaners, children, etc) were, best case, a cause for celebration and worst-case justified but regrettable, they those people need to re-educate themselves.

    SF has always been clear and unambiguous in their version of what is and was right and wrong. They have not changed their position. They should be commended for their honesty and transparency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,069 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The poor parachute regiment. Were just trying to spread peace and love on the island when they were attacked

    The Parachute Regiment decorated and with not one member ever sanctioned for what they did.

    Let that sink in, as the high moral grounders might say.

    No public mention of all the events on this island or come up with a way to accept what happened.

    That way, Charlie might get to celebrate what the Black and Tans did too.

    The ritual predictable hypocrisy around these issues is hilarious.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    walshb wrote: »
    Pointing out hypocrisy and double standards doesn't absolve this tweet and action by Stanley

    I understand but did the posters going on about this make similar complaints for anti Irish sentiments or DUP tweets? Otherwise I'll have to say it's faux outrage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    smurgen wrote: »
    I understand but did the posters going on about this make similar complaints for anti Irish sentiments or DUP tweets? Otherwise I'll have to say it's faux outrage.

    Do you have examples of other TDs posting anti-Irish sentiments?

    I will happily call on any TD who has posted sectarian racist bile on Twitter to resign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    Asking people to pick between the DUP and SF is asking to pick between the loathsome and the detestable. Their ideologies would be considered racist and populist in every other democracy in the world. Their leaderships are made up of appalling human beings whose outlook on life is based on hatred and envy. Their supporters are generally only a small step better than the leadership and many are a giant leap beyond even that.

    Who is right in this row over the latest example of small minded insensitive bigotry? Who cares?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,069 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    spook_cook wrote: »
    Well I'll certainly not give them a preference should they decide to run a candidate in Galway West.

    What about those who invite their Commander in Chief over for tea or wear the poppy?

    See, what 'insensitive' might mean to the other community?

    Bring the whole issue of remembrance and commemoration into the public for debate or put up with it, many have had to over the decades on both sides and from government to the man and woman on the street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    smurgen wrote: »
    I understand but did the posters going on about this make similar complaints for anti Irish sentiments or DUP tweets? Otherwise I'll have to say it's faux outrage.

    Show me them and I will be the first to call them as disgraceful...

    This is not about sides

    It's about people behaving like decent and cooperative and tolerant and engaging and warm and opening.....

    It is about healing, not wounding!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    smurgen wrote: »
    My heart bleeds for them. The same DUP that defended their councillors posing for pictures in from of burning tri colours last year.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/edenderry-bonfire-margaret-tinsely-dup-4711969-Jul2019/

    Thanks for letting me know, I won't be voting for them either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,069 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    Show me them and I will be the first to call them as disgraceful...

    This is not about sides

    It's about people behaving like decent and cooperative and tolerant and engaging and warm and opening.....

    It is about healing, not wounding!

    We are in a post conflict society, there are many unresolved unhealed issues. The British will make an announcement at 4pm about just one of those unresolved issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Gatling wrote: »
    She has a point ,

    If the British boasted about killing IRA terrorists then there would be uproar by Mary Lou and co ,



    They and the DUP regularly do, SF don’t write to the British parliament and have people on boards supporting them

    She’s a crusty old bigot

    British soldiers were killed, in our country, quite happy to kill us, he wasn’t exactly celebrating the Warrington bomb

    Ceann Comhairle should tell her to f@€k off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    The Warrenpoint attack did show the IRA were a formidable foe for the British Army.

    They parked a hay trailer containing a bomb on Down side of estuary and blew it up from Co Louth when the army convoy passed. They had set up attack near a ruin, knowing the British had a practice of setting up their HQ in the nearest building.

    They had booby trapped the ruin and it was here than they did most damage.


    It was a big victory, not just the scale but as it was revenge for Bloody Sunday propaganda wise also,

    the British often concentrate on Mountbatten more than Warrenpoint and wish to ignore their crack squad of troops were not so great when they were against armed paramilitaries rather than unarmed civil rights activists


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,462 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    I wish they would all **** off to be honest.
    Anyone wanting to be part of ROI..pop on down , get yourself a job.
    Anyone wanting to stay above stay there.
    I really don't want any more bigots/scumbags down South..we have enough of those already down here.
    And a united Ireland? When was Ireland ever united ffs.
    Its just a romantic thought in deluded fools heads who think once we unite it will be all sunrises and daffodils and we can all live happily ever after.
    Although I'm pretty sure all those bigots up north will then say if the prods don't like it then they can sod off to the UK etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,530 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    It was a big victory, not just the scale but as it was revenge for Bloody Sunday propaganda wise also,

    the British often concentrate on Mountbatten more than Warrenpoint and wish to ignore their crack squad of troops were not so great when they were against armed paramilitaries rather than unarmed civil rights activists

    you be james ****ing bond but if a bomb explodes under the truck you are travelling in no amount training will save you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,069 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    you be james ****ing bond but if a bomb explodes under the truck you are travelling in no amount training will save you.

    Or drops on you from 10,000ft.

    Always love this nonsense tbh. Again with the look away and ignore the truths about what warfare is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,530 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Or drops on you from 10,000ft.

    Always love this nonsense tbh. Again with the look away and ignore the truths about what warfare is.

    i'm not sure what you point you think you are making, which is pretty much par for the course with you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Cazale


    The parachute regiment massacred unarmed Irish people on the streets of Belfast and Ballymurphy amongst others. They were rewarded and decorated for it. They got what they deserved that day.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Great to see her triggered by this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,069 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    spook_cook wrote: »
    I can't say any local politicians I know of, hung around with Prince Charles. In fact the only one I can properly picture doing so is Martin McG and Gerry.

    And eh well you can work out yourself if I'd give either of them a vote!


    As Sovereign and head of state, Queen Elizabeth II is Head of the Armed Forces and their Commander-in-Chief.

    Invited and wined and dined in the city her troops are alleged to have helped bomb and whose government have locked away the files for an additional 80 years to avoid scrutiny.
    Insensitive to the victims of Dublin and Monaghan*? (*by which I was personally affected)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Blazer wrote: »
    I wish they would all **** off to be honest.
    Anyone wanting to be part of ROI..pop on down , get yourself a job.
    Anyone wanting to stay above stay there.
    I really don't want any more bigots/scumbags down South..we have enough of those already down here.
    And a united Ireland? When was Ireland ever united ffs.
    Its just a romantic thought in deluded fools heads who think once we unite it will be all sunrises and daffodils and we can all live happily ever after.
    Although I'm pretty sure all those bigots up north will then say if the prods don't like it then they can sod off to the UK etc.

    A united Ireland is inevitable. I thought it wouldn't happen in my lifetime (47) but after Brexit i think i'll see it before i collect my pension now. The British Empire is on it's last legs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,069 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    i'm not sure what you point you think you are making, which is pretty much par for the course with you.

    A bomb under a truck is no different to a bomb dropped from a ritzy bomber at 10,000ft.

    Warfare is savage and bloody and murderous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Cazale


    To quote Tom Barry:

    “They said I was ruthless, daring, savage, blood thirsty, even heartless. The clergy called me and my comrades murderers; but the British were met with their own weapons. They had gone in the mire to destroy us and our nation and down after them we had to go.â€


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Came to this thread expecting to see sordid rumours about Foster caught riding yet another chauffeur. Very disappointed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    walshb wrote: »
    Can you address the tweet, and leave out bringing in other parties...

    Can you condemn this tweet as wrong, insensitive and something no elected rep could justify/stand over?

    You are for ever obfuscating and moving goal posts...

    I have already addressed it, I had no problems with it at all.


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