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  • #202
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Never flagged anything on a laptop or iPad.

    I think there was some messing in that thread a while back but it was cleared up.


  • #203
    wench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭wench


    Jernal wrote: »
    Anybody else getting malicious links warning in the hazards of beliefs thread? My Kaspersky is being a little pushy and has for the first time in my memory actually blocked a link from the site.

    I am seeing it on that post too, also using Kaspersky.


  • #204
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    The forum is doing fine, but not as good as it used to be.

    What disappoints me is seeing a lot of threads started by visitors (who are too quickly labelled as trolls) descend into obnoxious backslapping and thanks whoring.


  • #205
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Nostalgia is never what it used to be.

    I take it from this feedback that you don't think the mods in this forum are doing their jobs correctly. I beg to differ, since I often see the mods requesting that posters respond fairly to the OP or refrain from accusations of trolling. If, however, you're just voicing your disappointment in the posters of this forum might I suggest that you yourself try posting in an encouraging manner in said threads?


  • #206
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    What disappoints me is seeing a lot of threads started by visitors (who are too quickly labelled as trolls) descend into obnoxious backslapping and thanks whoring.
    Unfortunately we get a lot of driveby posters who quickly show no interest in actual discussion. Once it becomes obvious that people have wasted their time, then threads inevitably fall into disrepair.

    I'd be interested to see if you can find an example of a poster who tried, but was not given a fair shot at supporting their proposition, and also very surprised.


  • #207
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    I clicked through a couple of threads in this section which were started by posters I didn't recognise and a lot of them were started by closed accounts and banned members, and some are clearly just digs at atheists rather than topics for debate and discussion. Although the word troll does get bandied about quite a bit, this forum really does attract a large amount of trolls so it's really no wonder that the regular posters are on guard.


  • #208
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I agree about throwing out the word "troll" - though I'd be loath to suggest it becomes an official offence given how much it usually takes to get a card around here.

    Just ease off on it, troll-callers!


  • #209
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Dades wrote: »
    Unfortunately we get a lot of driveby posters who quickly show no interest in actual discussion. Once it becomes obvious that people have wasted their time, then threads inevitably fall into disrepair.

    And biscuit debates.


  • #210
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Sometimes, this forum comes under heavy attack from trolls and extreme views from t' other side. Usually there's a little in the background, but sometimes, usually when religion is in the news a lot (like now) there's a lot.

    A + A has developed the same self defence mechanism that feedback used to use when I first came to boards. This forum doesn't ban people for simply being a troll: the posters tend to tear their argument apart in case anyone else who's genuine is reading then in order to prove the irrelevancy of coming here and trying to ruin the place they veer off (for a while it was dinosaurs and transformers, now it's all about the cake. In feedback it used to be cat pics).

    While it can get tiring, imo it serves an important purpose. This forum doesn't need to ban dissenting thought or trolls. If someone wants to come here and discuss, they will find open discussion waiting. If they're an obvious time waster they don't get what they want as the thread gets twisted beyond all recognition into something amusing for the locals. All the while maintaining a freedom to post on topics that many a/religious forums could really learn from. It's a natural defence system.


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  • #211
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Dades wrote: »
    Unfortunately we get a lot of driveby posters who quickly show no interest in actual discussion. Once it becomes obvious that people have wasted their time, then threads inevitably fall into disrepair.

    I'd be interested to see if you can find an example of a poster who tried, but was not given a fair shot at supporting their proposition, and also very surprised.

    Here is an example.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056767747


  • #212
    Doctor Strange
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Here is an example.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056767747

    Perhaps because you have a tendency to lash out at atheists. You are far from innocent, my friend.


  • #213
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Having seen how you post in the conspiracy theory forum, BB, I'm curious as to what your rap sheet looks like.


  • #214
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Perhaps because you have a tendency to lash out at atheists. You are far from innocent, my friend.
    Lash out at atheists? That's funny, I'm agnostic myself. Accommodationist FWIW. If I have a problem with dogmatic, bigoted or extremist atheists it is entirely down to them being "dogmatic, bigoted or extremist". I genuinely couldn't care less if someone else believes in God or not.

    This is all besides the point anyway. An example was asked for. I provided one. You've ignored this so I take it you don't dispute it?


  • #215
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Lingua Franca wrote: »
    Having seen how you post in the conspiracy theory forum, BB, I'm curious as to what your rap sheet looks like.

    Not that it's relevant but I've had I think 3/4 bans in 5K + posts. Not too shabby.


  • #216
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Not that it's relevant but I've had I think had 3/4 bans in 5K + posts. Not too shabby.

    I've had zero- and zero infractions, that I notice you failed to mention- in 30,000. THAT is not too shabby.


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  • #217
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    I've had zero- and zero infractions, that I notice you failed to mention- in 30,000. THAT is not too shabby.
    Congratulations.


  • #218
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Congratulations.

    Just pointing out it's actually pretty easy to keep your nose clean while constantly posting to make your point.

    I wouldn't consider 3 bands to be proving your point, it proves the other guys point. It's pretty hard to get a ban here.


  • #219
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    Just pointing out it's actually pretty easy to keep your nose clean while constantly posting to make your point.

    I wouldn't consider 3 bands to be proving your point, it proves the other guys point. It's pretty hard to get a ban here.

    Yes, I am more than aware. I have been on the wrong end of all kinds of personal abuse here as well as witnessing disgusting racism and bigotry without anything ever being done.

    Again this is all irrelevant but I've had ZERO bans or infractions in this forum.


  • #220
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Here is an example.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056767747

    And here's what I said back then, which rings as true now.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81020894&postcount=93


  • #221
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Yes, I am more than aware. I have been on the wrong end of all kinds of personal abuse here as well as witnessing disgusting racism and bigotry without anything ever being done.

    Again this is all irrelevant but I've had ZERO bans or infractions in this forum.

    You've been subjected to racism on this forum? I'd love to see evidence of that......


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  • #222
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    You've been subjected to racism on this forum? I'd love to see evidence of that......

    Dear me... I said "witnessed". FWIW I have been the victim of religious bigotry on this forum on a number of occasions. From ignorant people who assumed that I must be Muslim as I was slightly less ignorant than them regarding Islam.


  • #223
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »
    And here's what I said back then, which rings as true now.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81020894&postcount=93

    Rules go out the window when the infallible Nodin decrees it.

    If you say so.


  • #224
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Rules go out the window when the infallible Nodin decrees it.

    If you say so.


    ...as ever, distorting the message so much it borders on dishonesty. The fact is that you have a major attitude problem, some serious history and the thread in question was far from your first "contribution" to the forum.

    They're liberal around here, hence you have not been banned or permabanned from the place, so I wouldn't knock a broad interpretation of the charter, were I you. Personally I would have thought it best for all concerned were you denied access permanently.


  • #225
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Dear me... I said "witnessed". FWIW I have been the victim of religious bigotry on this forum on a number of occasions. From ignorant people who assumed that I must be Muslim as I was slightly less ignorant than them regarding Islam.

    Could you reference some posts that subject a person to religious bigotry. In your case, you tend to have a particular vendetta against this forum and the posters as a result. This tends to result in you getting a bad reception. Religious beliefs will be mocked in this forum and there's no reason that should be prevented.

    By the way, there are a fair few religious individuals that post in this forum that are friendly and don't arrive with the agenda of attempting to push their beliefs down our throats etc. In general, as a result they are treated with respect and a normal discussion can ensue. However certain threads such as 'Bitter Atheists' or a person who refuses to maintain any level of actual debate will likely be subjected to a lot of sarcasm because they generally have no argument that they can make stick or they simply ignore everyone and run off on a tangent.


  • #226
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...as ever, distorting the message so much it borders on dishonesty. The fact is that you have a major attitude problem, some serious history and the thread in question was far from your first "contribution" to the forum.

    They're liberal around here, hence you have not been banned or permabanned from the place, so I wouldn't knock a broad interpretation of the charter, were I you. Personally I would have thought it best for all concerned were you denied access permanently.

    You've had a chip on your solider ever since my first interaction on this forum when I had to politely explain and patiently re-explain what the Talmud was/is.

    This was despite the many offensive and personal comments that you made against me which I didn't rise to.

    If any of us deserved a ban it was you.


  • #227
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You've had a chip on your solider ever since my first interaction on this forum when I had to politely explain and patiently re-explain what the Talmud was/is.

    This was despite the many offensive and personal comments that you made against me which I didn't rise to.

    If any of us deserved a ban it was you.


    ....carrying petty grudges that nobody else remembers - that's another thing that doesn't help. I wasn't talking about any specific incident with regards bans.


  • #228
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....carrying petty grudges that nobody else remembers - that's another thing that doesn't help. I wasn't talking about any specific incident with regards bans.

    Naturally, far easier to generalise and be vague when you want to smear somebody on false grounds.

    Here is the thread where I was trying to have a civil discussion with you and explain as best I can you your errors and where you dish out personal abuse.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056243629&page=2


    Anyway, you are misunderstanding, tis you who apparently carries the grudge. I don't carry any grudges against you. I genuinely don't care about you. I just shrug off and ignore your nasty little one line interjections.


  • #229
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Could you reference some posts that subject a person to religious bigotry. .
    I will, but only if you tell me what difference it will make to you
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    In your case, you tend to have a particular vendetta against this forum and the posters as a result. .
    Rubbish. How can you have a vendetta against a forum ffs?
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    This tends to result in you getting a bad reception. Religious beliefs will be mocked in this forum and there's no reason that should be prevented..
    What are my "religious beliefs" exactly?
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    By the way, there are a fair few religious individuals that post in this forum that are friendly and don't arrive with the agenda of attempting to push their beliefs down our throats etc. In general, as a result they are treated with respect and a normal discussion can ensue. However certain threads such as 'Bitter Atheists' or a person who refuses to maintain any level of actual debate will likely be subjected to a lot of sarcasm because they generally have no argument that they can make stick or they simply ignore everyone and run off on a tangent.
    I don't care what anyone else does. I provided, as requested, a valid example of when an OP posted in good faith wasn't given the respect it warranted.


  • #230
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Naturally, far easier to generalise and be vague when you want to smear somebody on false grounds.

    Here (.........) interjections.

    Nothing vague about it. Again, distortion bordering on outright dishonesty.

    ....and being - apparently - in a permanent rage. That's another thing. And trying to interject the same old tired arguments into every new discussion, there's another.


  • #231
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Here is an example.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056767747
    With all due respect, that wasn't a question, that was a blog.

    If this turns into a Feedback trainwreck, it'll have to be temporarily closed and a lot of posts deleted. Fare thee be warned.


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  • #232
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    A + A has developed the same self defence mechanism that feedback used to use when I first came to boards. This forum doesn't ban people for simply being a troll: the posters tend to tear their argument apart in case anyone else who's genuine is reading then in order to prove the irrelevancy of coming here and trying to ruin the place they veer off (for a while it was dinosaurs and transformers, now it's all about the cake. In feedback it used to be cat pics).

    While it can get tiring, imo it serves an important purpose.

    To be fair thats actually probably an indictment of this forum, look at the difference in feedback now compared to when i first went onto boards.ie, it was a forum that allowed for some pretty bad personal abuse and at sometimes levels far in advance of any hastle the people raising issues caused (check out the famous thread by the transgender person as an example of how bad it got). Feedback changed for a reason and i would guess most people think its a better forum now (though I am sure there are some posters that enjoyed the baiting aspect)
    Just my 2 cents but thought i would raise the fact that being compared to Feedback back in the day should not be considered a good thing at all.


  • #233
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Lingua Franca wrote: »
    <snip>
    I'm sorry as i appreciate you've given some effort to this post any response by me would just be repeating what I've already said.

    I'm just going to cut to the chase now because this is starting to piss me off.

    - Someone commented that they felt that posters here act in packs to delegitimise and spoil threads.
    - Dades commented that he would be surprised if this ever had happened where the OP was made in good faith.
    - Doctor Doom commented that this thread spoilation and self-moderation through trolling was a positive thing.
    - I posted a link to a thread where a perfectly valid thread made in good faith was posted.

    Many have tried but nobody has been able to deny the validity of the thread nor had the brass neck to suggest that the response was appropriate.

    This raises a problem with Doctor Doom's policy of moderation by vigilantism.

    a) The charter becomes no more than window-dressing. Nevermind back-seat moderation but front seat moderation becomes acceptable along with personal abuse as well as trolling.

    b) If applied, and it could well work it needs to be applied responsibly and maturely. The vigilante pack of user-mods must need to reserve judgement initially and give any benefit of the doubt to the OP. Not as in the example of my link with the very first response being a trolling one.

    c) Someone needs to police the police. There must surely be some boundaries and trolling and/or personal abuse that goes too far. Even when it is used as a means of a "self-defense mechanism". Even if it is for the right reasons a blank cheque given by the mods through tacit approval to ignore the charter and site wide rules is an open invitation for people to take advantage of the situation.

    EDIT: D) Mods from other forums should ideally avoid participation in this phalanx of self-appointed user-mods who purposely set out to sabotage threads through trolling as it would make them appear as hypocrites were they to ban someone themselves for trolling.
    ========

    This is a genuine attempt to provide some productive criticism as has been my intention all along so I hope that people will take it in the right way.


  • #234
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Dades wrote: »
    With all due respect, that wasn't a question, that was a blog.

    If this turns into a Feedback trainwreck, it'll have to be temporarily closed and a lot of posts deleted. Fare thee be warned.

    Fair warning. Thread descended into a farce really. Posts deleted. Apologies to those who spent time typing them.


  • #235
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CENSORSHOP!!

    Feedback thread imminent.


  • #236
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    CENSORSHOP!!

    Feedback thread imminent.

    Tedious censorship. I mean, Dades is the guy that gets paid. He should have been the one to delete all those 52 posts. :( I swear, he's using Rob and me.


  • #237
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Dades gets paid! Since this is communist,baby eating atheist forum's feedback thread. I feel that the aforementioned pay should be distributed evenly amongst us... Bank details to follow..


  • #238
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Dades gets paid! Since this is communist,baby eating atheist forum's feedback thread. I feel that the aforementioned pay should be distributed evenly amongst us... Bank details to follow..

    Yeah, apparently so. We other mods ain't happy with that development. You plebs ain't got claim to anything! So keep yer filthy bank details!


  • #239
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    C mod stands for cash mod. Admins get paid direct to their accounts...


    ... I wonder if Thumped will give me asylum?


  • #240
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Jernal wrote: »
    Fair warning. Thread descended into a farce really. Posts deleted. Apologies to those who spent time typing them.
    While I understand why you did what you did could you at least reinstate my second-to-last post? It is as I've said constructive criticism, sums up everything that I have to say and is relevant to Doctor Doom's post.

    For my part I would avoid getting dragged into anymore pointless arguments.


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  • #241
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    While I understand why you did what you did could you at least reinstate my second-to-last post?

    Done.:)


  • #242
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Just for clarity's sake -- if this thread descends again into the kind of angry, obnoxious nonsense that's just been deleted, posters will be carded or banned at the mods' discretion.


  • #243
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Jernal wrote: »
    Done.:)
    That was very decent of you. Thank you. Sorry for all the headaches but I do intend to stay true to my word.


  • #244
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    robindch wrote: »
    Just for clarity's sake -- if this thread descends again into the kind of angry, obnoxious nonsense that's just been deleted, posters will be carded or banned at the mods' discretion.

    Ah, the unpaid one.


  • #245
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,460 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    robindch wrote: »
    Just for clarity's sake -- if this thread descends again into the kind of angry, obnoxious nonsense that's just been deleted, posters will be carded or banned at the mods' discretion.

    Bah, this always happens. It's like always arriving at a party 12 hours too late, with everyone comatose and empty glasses everywhere and no idea what happened.

    Boards should introduce a pay to see the juicy deleted posts option :pac:

    Scrap the cap!



  • #246
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    - Someone commented that they felt that posters here act in packs to delegitimise and spoil threads.
    - Dades commented that he would be surprised if this ever had happened where the OP was made in good faith.
    - Doctor Doom commented that this thread spoilation and self-moderation through trolling was a positive thing.
    - I posted a link to a thread where a perfectly valid thread made in good faith was posted.

    Many have tried but nobody has been able to deny the validity of the thread nor had the brass neck to suggest that the response was appropriate.
    Your post differs from the scenario described by the poster suggesting visitors don't get heard out because you are not an innocent abroad. You have a history of disagreement with many posters here and indeed many posters all over Boards. Human nature ensures that existing animosities are going to spillover, rightly or wrongly.

    Secondly, that post wasn't a question, or a request for opinions, it was a blog post. And if I'm honest, probably posted to get the reaction you got.


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  • #247
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    ... didn't know that having the cheek to "disagree" was such a problem for A&A.

    What you are describing as a "blog post" is a "proposition" - precisely what you would be surprised to see.
    Proposition - Definition and More from the Free Merriam ...


    www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proposition CachedDefinition of PROPOSITION. 1. a (1): something offered for consideration or acceptance : proposal (2): a request for sexual intercourse . b: the point to be discussed ..

    If "animosities spill over" surely it is the mods job to sort it out. There was no animosity from me only towards me.

    How you can be "honest" about my intentions baffles me. Shame you twist things to make them about me rather than acknowledge a perfectly valid thread - and allow me to be honest here - which was made in the best possible faith which you cannot find a single fault with

    ===

    That said, I'm a man of my word and am done here. Thanks again Jernal.


  • #248
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Is he still at it? In that case, can I request that my post pointing out that there was five whole pages of people challenging the validity of his thread and whether or not is was posted in good faith (survey says no) be reinstated?


  • #249
    the_monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Pity A+A is under "Religion and Spirituality" ...


  • #250
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Pity A+A is under "Religion and Spirituality" ...

    Good point Monkey.

    Where should we be housed?
    Who will have us?

    Atheist-related books are categorized similarly too at book stores, and it sucks.
    At the really good bookstores, our books are found under philosophy.

    Since this is feedback: any chance of getting moved?


  • #251
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Ah, leave us here. I'm sure it pisses off some of the crazier god-botherers. :)


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