Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Suckit · 30-03-2021 11:40pm

con___manx1 wrote: »

This government is a joke. It might take a year or two for this policy to come in just like the airport quarntine.
It doesn't really affect me as I don't drink much at home anyway. It will probably get more people going to the pubs if its just as expensive to drink at home.

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-03-2021 8:58am

Suckit wrote: »

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

There was a point where the switched the excuse from "boosting tourism" to "health reasons". Or the other way around, not sure. They've never really been consistent as to the logic and reasoning.

VinLieger · 31-03-2021 9:08am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There was a point where the switched the excuse from "boosting tourism" to "health reasons". Or the other way around, not sure. They've never really been consistent as to the logic and reasoning.

FG literally said word for word in their 2011 manifesto that this was about helping the vintners

Supporting Irish Pubs: Fine Gael recognises the importance of the Irish pub for tourism, rural jobs and as a social outlet in communities across the country. We will support the local pub by banning the practice of below cost selling on alcohol, particularly by large supermarkets and the impact this has had on alcohol consumption and the viability of pubs.

Nothing about health there

ohnonotgmail · 31-03-2021 9:37am

Suckit wrote: »

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

It was in the FG manifesto at one stage that the purpose of MUP was to promote pubs

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-03-2021 9:38am

VinLieger wrote: »

FG literally said word for word in their 2011 manifesto that this was about helping the vintners

Nothing about health there

This is exactly my point.

In their current manifesto, their support for minimum unit pricing is listed under "universal health care" - and no mention of pubs or tourism.

https://www.finegael.ie/app/themes/finegael/dist/images/ProgrammeforGovernment_Final_16.06.20-1.pdf

Hotblack Desiato · 31-03-2021 3:08pm

Hmm that must be why I've put on a few kilos - alcohol in pubs isn't fattening and has no health effects

Capt'n Midnight · 31-03-2021 6:31pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Hmm that must be why I've put on a few kilos - alcohol in pubs isn't fattening and has no health effects

Maybe the 'health benefit' of pubs is the walk back home ?

Temptamperu · 31-03-2021 7:17pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Maybe the 'health benefit' of pubs is the walk back home ?

Walk home? I just blackout and wake up in bed. :pac:

Hotblack Desiato · 31-03-2021 7:25pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Maybe the 'health benefit' of pubs is the walk back home ?

Especially when you stop off for a kebab on the way

con___manx1 · 01-04-2021 9:12pm

Suckit wrote: »

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

Simon Harris was the health minister when the minimum alcahol pricing bill was put forward. That was over a year ago at least.
The youngest member of the Dáil. I'd say he is right craic at party's.
He nearly lost his seat. He just got in by the skin of his teeth and I reckon it was over this policy

Ohmeha · 15-04-2021 8:07am

Here they go again, "concerned" over home drinking (despite the corresponding reduction in alcohol consumption...) and surprise surprise minimum pricing is the only solution :rolleyes:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0414/1209959-alcohol-report/

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 8:11am

Ohmeha wrote:

Here they go again, "concerned" over home drinking (despite the corresponding reduction in alcohol consumption...) and surprise surprise minimum pricing is the only solution

Consumption Has rapidly increased over the year, our government has a very poor understanding of our psychological needs, particularly right now, this is a default position, it effectively exonerates them from doing anything about it

elperello · 15-04-2021 10:53am

It's quite simple.

The people who drink too much should reduce their consumption and get help to do so if they need it.

The rest of us should be left alone.

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 11:01am

elperello wrote: »

It's quite simple.

The people who drink too much should reduce their consumption and get help to do so if they need it.

The rest of us should be left alone.

so what happens if you dont realise you drink too much, dont understand your situation, dont know what to do, are dealing with shame and guilt for your behavior, cant afford whats needed.....

Macy0161 · 15-04-2021 11:03am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Consumption Has rapidly increased over the year

It's dropped by 6.5% (per Revenue data) and only 22%* (per CSO data) said their consumption had increased since the start of the pandemic. That's from the report.

*Obviously this framed completely differently in the report as a negative rather than a positive that that 78% had not increased or had reduced consumption!

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 11:04am

Macy0161 wrote: »

It's dropped by 6.5% (per Revenue data) and only 22%* (per CSO data) said their consumption had increased since the start of the pandemic. That's from the report.

*Obviously this framed completely differently in the report as a negative rather than a positive that that 78% had not increased or had reduced consumption!

i beg to differ on that one, i suspect the numbers arent matching our reality

elperello · 15-04-2021 11:05am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so what happens if you dont realise you drink too much, dont understand your situation, dont know what to do, are dealing with shame and guilt for your behavior, cant afford whats needed.....

Then you need help and should get it.

Making me pay more money to the retail and wholesale drinks trade certainly won't help you.

L1011 · 15-04-2021 11:06am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so what happens if you dont realise you drink too much, dont understand your situation, dont know what to do, are dealing with shame and guilt for your behavior, cant afford whats needed.....

You'll probably end up either not eating, not paying bills or even committing crimes to get money to buy the now dearer alcohol.

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 11:10am

elperello wrote: »

Then you need help and should get it.

Making me pay more money to the retail and wholesale drinks trade certainly won't help you.

L1011 wrote: »

You'll probably end up either not eating, not paying bills or even committing crimes to get money to buy the now dearer alcohol.

yup, fcuking around with pricing, certainly wont solve this one.....

dubrov · 15-04-2021 12:08pm

Wanderer78 wrote:

i beg to differ on that one, i suspect the numbers arent matching our reality

I think I'll go with the facts rather than your suspicions

dubrov · 15-04-2021 12:14pm

Drinks sponsorship will explode with minimum pricing.
The drinks companies will spend loads trying to get market share for what would be a very high margin product

Macy0161 · 15-04-2021 12:29pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i beg to differ on that one, i suspect the numbers arent matching our reality

Revenue and CSO aren't to be trusted? Wow.

Even the reports authors are happy to use the 22.2% (as nearly a quarter as they don't understand rounding :rolleyes: ), and revenue data is revenue data.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-04-2021 12:36pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Consumption Has rapidly increased over the year

Wrong

Alcohol consumption is substantially down.

KrustyUCC · 15-04-2021 3:16pm

It's funny Ray D'Arcy used all the worrying aspects of the report

Never once mentioned consumption being down 6.5% and still hasn't

KrustyUCC · 15-04-2021 3:21pm

Ohmeha wrote: »

Here they go again, "concerned" over home drinking (despite the corresponding reduction in alcohol consumption...) and surprise surprise minimum pricing is the only solution :rolleyes:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0414/1209959-alcohol-report/

I love this part of the reporting

"
The report quoted figures from the Revenue Commissioners which showed that alcohol consumption had only dropped by 6.5% last March despite pubs being largely closed over the previous year."

Consumption is down 6.5% during the worse health crisis of our lives

I wonder if it increases 6.5% would the report state Consumption had only increased 6.5%? Lol

Antares35 · 15-04-2021 3:25pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so what happens if you dont realise you drink too much, dont understand your situation, dont know what to do, are dealing with shame and guilt for your behavior, cant afford whats needed.....

You will keep drinking notwithstanding minimum pricing.

L1011 · 15-04-2021 3:58pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

It's funny Ray D'Arcy used all the worrying aspects of the report

Never once mentioned consumption being down 6.5% and still hasn't

Anything that isn't centred around running, porridge and his own kids is bad news, or an angle to make it bad news will be found.

VinLieger · 15-04-2021 6:10pm

atives

elperello wrote: »

It's quite simple.

The people who drink too much should reduce their consumption and get help to do so if they need it.

The rest of us should be left alone.

Incorrect, home consumption has increased but overall consumption is down.

But the vintners and the nimbys in college of physicians aren't gonna let the facts get in the way of their agenda driven narrative which is why we end up with garbage journalism like this.

VinLieger · 15-04-2021 6:11pm

Antares35 wrote: »

You will keep drinking notwithstanding minimum pricing.

Nobody who is for this legislation seems to understand anything about addiction

KrustyUCC · 15-04-2021 6:32pm

VinLieger wrote: »

atives

Incorrect, home consumption has increased but overall consumption is down.

But the vintners and the nimbys in college of physicians aren't gonna let the facts get in the way of their agenda driven narrative which is why we end up with garbage journalism like this.

Concerted effort from the media today both RTE and Newstalk

Downplaying reduction in consumption by either glossing over it (sure it's only 6.5% which is terribly small) or not mentioning it at all

Funny they never fail to mention minimum pricing

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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