Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

listermint · 16-03-2021 06:50PM

dubrov wrote: »

I think it is trying to say that fancier beers and wines would be already above the MUP so would not change price.

Even if this was true (and in many cases it is not), if the cheapest beer is 2.40 Euro a can, the fancier stuff will increase in price as people will be willing to pay more for those beers.

This will without a shadow of a doubt happen.

-=al=- · 16-03-2021 08:11PM

They won’t be willing to pay more for the “fancy” beers, they’ll have to pay more for them. There is no way a nice session ipa will be cheaper than a supermarket own brand lager

GhostyMcGhost · 16-03-2021 08:17PM

-=al=- wrote: »

They won’t be willing to pay more for the “fancy” beers, they’ll have to pay more for them. There is no way a nice session ipa will be cheaper than a supermarket own brand lager

Some beers and spirits are priced much more expensive on the illusion that expensive = better and prestige. If the gap is suddenly closed, they’ll widen it again fairly sharp you can be 100% sure of that

Where’s Leo, who looks after the working man now? Come home from a days work and want a beer, you have to pay more because a few in the minority in society have an alcohol issue.... education before taxation is the only way to go

Speaking of where to go, where’s this extra exchequer revenue going? I can also say with absolute certainty it’s not into alcohol addiction services or any such similar service. I’d also like to see them find mental health services with it either but nope, it’s not going to happen. It’ll be pumped into the children’s hospital overrun or a new 3D printer the size of a mansion, or some other such waste

ohnonotgmail · 16-03-2021 08:27PM

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Some beers and spirits are priced much more expensive on the illusion that expensive = better and prestige. If the gap is suddenly closed, they’ll widen it again fairly sharp you can be 100% sure of that

Where’s Leo, who looks after the working man now? Come home from a days work and want a beer, you have to pay more because some the few in society have an alcohol issue.... education before taxation is the only way to go

Speaking of where to go, where’s this extra exchequer revenue going? I can also say with absolute certainty it’s not into alcohol addiction services or any such similar service. I’d also like to see them find mental health services with it either but nope, it’s not going to happen. It’ll be pumped into the children’s hospital overrun or a new 3D printer the size of a mansion, or some other such waste

what extra exchequer revenue?

dubrov · 16-03-2021 08:53PM

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Speaking of where to go, where’s this extra exchequer revenue going?

The extra cost just ends up in the seller's pocket. It'll probably the most profitable thing being sold in supermarkets which means they will be pushing it a lot more.

elperello · 16-03-2021 08:58PM

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Some beers and spirits are priced much more expensive on the illusion that expensive = better and prestige. If the gap is suddenly closed, they’ll widen it again fairly sharp you can be 100% sure of that

Where’s Leo, who looks after the working man now? Come home from a days work and want a beer, you have to pay more because a few in the minority in society have an alcohol issue.... education before taxation is the only way to go

Speaking of where to go, where’s this extra exchequer revenue going? I can also say with absolute certainty it’s not into alcohol addiction services or any such similar service. I’d also like to see them find mental health services with it either but nope, it’s not going to happen. It’ll be pumped into the children’s hospital overrun or a new 3D printer the size of a mansion, or some other such waste

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what extra exchequer revenue?

The real killer is that the extra you will pay for your drink of choice is going to the drinks trade not the exchequer.

Apart from the VAT that is and any economist will tell you that amount would have been collected anyway when the extra money you spend on the drink would have been spent in some other sector of the economy.

randomname2005 · 28-03-2021 07:50PM

elperello wrote: »

The real killer is that the extra you will pay for your drink of choice is going to the drinks trade not the exchequer.

Apart from the VAT that is and any economist will tell you that amount would have been collected anyway when the extra money you spend on the drink would have been spent in some other sector of the economy.

This is framed as a health policy but just way of keeping some lobby group happy.

Why not enforce laws? And educate. Much better than forcing prices up

con___manx1 · 29-03-2021 11:59AM

This government is a joke. It might take a year or two for this policy to come in just like the airport quarntine.
It doesn't really affect me as I don't drink much at home anyway. It will probably get more people going to the pubs if its just as expensive to drink at home.

Suckit · 30-03-2021 10:40PM

con___manx1 wrote: »

This government is a joke. It might take a year or two for this policy to come in just like the airport quarntine.
It doesn't really affect me as I don't drink much at home anyway. It will probably get more people going to the pubs if its just as expensive to drink at home.

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-03-2021 07:58AM

Suckit wrote: »

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

There was a point where the switched the excuse from "boosting tourism" to "health reasons". Or the other way around, not sure. They've never really been consistent as to the logic and reasoning.

VinLieger · 31-03-2021 08:08AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There was a point where the switched the excuse from "boosting tourism" to "health reasons". Or the other way around, not sure. They've never really been consistent as to the logic and reasoning.

FG literally said word for word in their 2011 manifesto that this was about helping the vintners

Supporting Irish Pubs: Fine Gael recognises the importance of the Irish pub for tourism, rural jobs and as a social outlet in communities across the country. We will support the local pub by banning the practice of below cost selling on alcohol, particularly by large supermarkets and the impact this has had on alcohol consumption and the viability of pubs.

Nothing about health there

ohnonotgmail · 31-03-2021 08:37AM

Suckit wrote: »

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

It was in the FG manifesto at one stage that the purpose of MUP was to promote pubs

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-03-2021 08:38AM

VinLieger wrote: »

FG literally said word for word in their 2011 manifesto that this was about helping the vintners

Nothing about health there

This is exactly my point.

In their current manifesto, their support for minimum unit pricing is listed under "universal health care" - and no mention of pubs or tourism.

https://www.finegael.ie/app/themes/finegael/dist/images/ProgrammeforGovernment_Final_16.06.20-1.pdf

Hotblack Desiato · 31-03-2021 02:08PM

Hmm that must be why I've put on a few kilos - alcohol in pubs isn't fattening and has no health effects

Capt'n Midnight · 31-03-2021 05:31PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Hmm that must be why I've put on a few kilos - alcohol in pubs isn't fattening and has no health effects

Maybe the 'health benefit' of pubs is the walk back home ?

Temptamperu · 31-03-2021 06:17PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Maybe the 'health benefit' of pubs is the walk back home ?

Walk home? I just blackout and wake up in bed. :pac:

Hotblack Desiato · 31-03-2021 06:25PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Maybe the 'health benefit' of pubs is the walk back home ?

Especially when you stop off for a kebab on the way

con___manx1 · 01-04-2021 08:12PM

Suckit wrote: »

Didn't some TD's claim that was the point?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was said last year or a couple of years ago.

Simon Harris was the health minister when the minimum alcahol pricing bill was put forward. That was over a year ago at least.
The youngest member of the Dáil. I'd say he is right craic at party's.
He nearly lost his seat. He just got in by the skin of his teeth and I reckon it was over this policy

Ohmeha · 15-04-2021 07:07AM

Here they go again, "concerned" over home drinking (despite the corresponding reduction in alcohol consumption...) and surprise surprise minimum pricing is the only solution :rolleyes:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0414/1209959-alcohol-report/

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 07:11AM

Ohmeha wrote:

Here they go again, "concerned" over home drinking (despite the corresponding reduction in alcohol consumption...) and surprise surprise minimum pricing is the only solution

Consumption Has rapidly increased over the year, our government has a very poor understanding of our psychological needs, particularly right now, this is a default position, it effectively exonerates them from doing anything about it

elperello · 15-04-2021 09:53AM

It's quite simple.

The people who drink too much should reduce their consumption and get help to do so if they need it.

The rest of us should be left alone.

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 10:01AM

elperello wrote: »

It's quite simple.

The people who drink too much should reduce their consumption and get help to do so if they need it.

The rest of us should be left alone.

so what happens if you dont realise you drink too much, dont understand your situation, dont know what to do, are dealing with shame and guilt for your behavior, cant afford whats needed.....

Macy0161 · 15-04-2021 10:03AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Consumption Has rapidly increased over the year

It's dropped by 6.5% (per Revenue data) and only 22%* (per CSO data) said their consumption had increased since the start of the pandemic. That's from the report.

*Obviously this framed completely differently in the report as a negative rather than a positive that that 78% had not increased or had reduced consumption!

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 10:04AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

It's dropped by 6.5% (per Revenue data) and only 22%* (per CSO data) said their consumption had increased since the start of the pandemic. That's from the report.

*Obviously this framed completely differently in the report as a negative rather than a positive that that 78% had not increased or had reduced consumption!

i beg to differ on that one, i suspect the numbers arent matching our reality

elperello · 15-04-2021 10:05AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so what happens if you dont realise you drink too much, dont understand your situation, dont know what to do, are dealing with shame and guilt for your behavior, cant afford whats needed.....

Then you need help and should get it.

Making me pay more money to the retail and wholesale drinks trade certainly won't help you.

L1011 · 15-04-2021 10:06AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so what happens if you dont realise you drink too much, dont understand your situation, dont know what to do, are dealing with shame and guilt for your behavior, cant afford whats needed.....

You'll probably end up either not eating, not paying bills or even committing crimes to get money to buy the now dearer alcohol.

Wanderer78 · 15-04-2021 10:10AM

elperello wrote: »

Then you need help and should get it.

Making me pay more money to the retail and wholesale drinks trade certainly won't help you.

L1011 wrote: »

You'll probably end up either not eating, not paying bills or even committing crimes to get money to buy the now dearer alcohol.

yup, fcuking around with pricing, certainly wont solve this one.....

dubrov · 15-04-2021 11:08AM

Wanderer78 wrote:

i beg to differ on that one, i suspect the numbers arent matching our reality

I think I'll go with the facts rather than your suspicions

dubrov · 15-04-2021 11:14AM

Drinks sponsorship will explode with minimum pricing.
The drinks companies will spend loads trying to get market share for what would be a very high margin product

Macy0161 · 15-04-2021 11:29AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i beg to differ on that one, i suspect the numbers arent matching our reality

Revenue and CSO aren't to be trusted? Wow.

Even the reports authors are happy to use the 22.2% (as nearly a quarter as they don't understand rounding :rolleyes: ), and revenue data is revenue data.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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