Abortion- Right or Wrong

"During a medical abortion, a woman takes oral medications — mifepristone (formerly known as RU-486) and misoprostol — during her first trimester to abort the fetus." quote from link you gave me no it doesnt go on to increase the risk of future problem regarding infertility........its funny it doesnt mention here the 18 women who died as a direct consquence of this drug.
and it does state that it is possible
a friend who has been left infertile from an abortion, ironic isnt it

see this is the problem with that
abortion was first legalised in england in cases where the child would be born with serious defects, now abortion is been carried out of perfectly formed unborn children
also if we bring a law in here stating that any women who falls pregnant through incest or rape should be allowed th echoise to abort will only bring women out of the wood work claming they were raped and thst a big enough problem as it stands.

"a foetus does not value its own life nor does anyone else, so it's not wrong to kill it." quote on qwuote Piste
that is the most ridiclous statement i have ever ever heard in a discussion about abortion ever! eben pro-choce people would disagree with that
no one values a foetus????? reallly not even a parent who has been trying for yrs to get pregnant? you need to retract that statement

thats my exact point thaedyal how are we to know the correct numbers if this is the case? its more common then people are lead to believe. and you cannot deny that abortion clinics would not like the true figures to become public knowledge as they survive on women is crisis giving them money.
because every operation here is legal apart from any illegal abortion clinics there might be, sactistics are easier to gather in relation to women dying as a consquence to child birth

welli care about that feotus, i care about all human life, many people do, and dont give me the whole oh wel you should look after all the unwanted children......because that would be impossible considering there have been millions upon million of abortions

there are many links and information in the thread in the ladies lounge on the subject of abortion, scientific agreement that conceprtion is the beginng if a new life, if anyone is interested in lookint at them

Re: ru 486 deaths, According to UN statistics Ireland is the safest place in the world to give birth, i.e. it has the lowest maternal mortality rate in the world. Thus the pro-life laws cannot be said to endanger the lives of women.

re: abortion and depression/suicide: the 2 biggest and most comprehensive studies in this area both show a big increase in mental health problems due to abortion. The STAKES report (2004) in Finland showed women who had aboritons compared to women who havent are 6 times more likely to commit suicide. Prof. Ferguson's study (New Zealand, 2007) shows women who have aboritons are significantly more likely to suffer depression and abuse drugs. Both studies are longitudinal and took account of mitigating factors.

re: abortion/breast cancer link... no one can conclusively say at the moment that there either def is or def isnt a link--but its certainly false to claim there is no evidence to support a link... Janet Daling, M.D. "Risk of Breast Cancer Among Young Women: Relationship of Induced Abortion." Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 2 November 1994. claims a substantial link exists even after one abortion.

re: is the embryo a human being...all textbooks on the science of embryology state so, it is a basic scientific fact, see Larsen, 'Human embryology' (1997) pp. 4-11. The question is whether human beings should have human rights? Yes according to International Human Rights, United Nations, the Declaration of the Rights of the Child:
Whereasthe child, by reason of his physical and mental immaturity, needs special safeguards and care, including appropriate legal protection, before as well as after birth
www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html

This is not a matter of goalposts changing btw, all of your reasons for claiming the embryo is potential human life and not a human being are scientifically false, the above article and any textbook on embryology shows why.

Jermoe le Jeune, who won a Noble Prize for his work on Down's Syndrome, says this on the issue:
'To accept the fact that, after fertilization has taken place, a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or of opinion. The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention. It is plain experimental evidence.

When we accept the science of the issue the ethics follows: human beings deserve human rights. But If you allow for abortion then you have emptied human rights of its meaning, it is a matter of science and logic. I appreciate that sometimes science tells us things we do not want to hear because it may upset our worldview, but we cannot be inconsistent just to appease our emotions

The term 'potential human being' has no scientific basis whatsoever, science does not investigate potentialities, only what actually physically exists. A skin cell is completely different from an embryo cos the embryo is the self-organising totality of a human being, whereas the skin cell is not.

there is a difference between adult stem-cells and embryo stem cells, the difference lies in that adult stem cells are pluripotent whereas embryo ones are totipotent, only an individual human being at the earliest stages of his/her life possesses totipotent stem cells. Why are we so quick to accept science on almost any other issue but this? Its because of a fear of responsibility and our duty to all human beings.


i apologies tgh eform of this post but i dont have time to edit so i just took it direct

financial limations is not a reason to kill a child,we are not talking about a mouse here we're talking about a human being, which could be your child, your brother/sister etc its not an intangible assest that you can dispose of just like that what about giving the child and giving it up for adoption????
ive just dealt with the rape issue