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Third world water for Dublin City

  • 05-11-2019 2:39pm
    #1
    Straffan1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Straffan1979


    Do people realise that the water collected at Leixlip contains very significant quantities of treated sewage discharge from every plant upstream of Leixlip all the way to Ballymore Eustace; one of the largest treatment plants in the country discharges at Osberstown near Naas into the the Liffey and this water is then used again through the plant at Leixslip- this water includes all noxious chemicals the whole of Kildare flushes and washes down their sinks! That's what we're drinking in the Dublin City 2019.

    I'm surprised is this hasn't been highlighted before- an accident waiting to happen and I'd say alarms were ignored for many years; we need new proper purpose built reservoir in the midlands for the city- Liffey water with sewage discharge and agricultural run off is a public health scandal ; at least abstracted water upstream of Ballymore Eustace is some way 'pure' and that supplies most of kildare /south Dublin afaik- third world stuff at Leixlip.


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  • #2
    Uncle Charlie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    Nobody is talking about the pressure Mass Immigration is putting on our water system.


  • #3
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Nobody is talking about the pressure Mass Immigration is putting on our water system.

    That’s probably because it’s isn’t putting pressure on it.

    Until we as a Society we accept that unless we are willing to adequately fund a public water system we will have to accept substandard services


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Nobody is talking about the pressure Mass Immigration is putting on our water system.

    That's because the use gravity and pumps to pressurise the system, not stacked up foreigners.


  • #5
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    It's lexlip just think all that cryptosporidium was once an eyes wide shut shindig


  • #6
    Uncle Charlie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    whippet wrote: »
    That’s probably because it’s isn’t putting pressure on it.

    Until we as a Society we accept that unless we are willing to adequately fund a public water system we will have to accept substandard services


    So a 20% increase in the population over the past 20 years has no effect on the water system ?


    I suppose Immigrants must import their water from outside Ireland:rolleyes:


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  • #7
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,298 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    So a 20% increase in the population over the past 20 years has no effect on the water system ?


    I suppose Immigrants must import their water from outside Ireland:rolleyes:


    LOL immigrants really are responsible for everything aren't they :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    Produce a single piece of factual evidence to show immigration SPECIFICALLY is causing problems with our water supply and people maybe wont consider you to be a racist troll


  • #8
    dan1895
    Registered Users Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    So a 20% increase in the population over the past 20 years has no effect on the water system ?


    I suppose Immigrants must import their water from outside Ireland:rolleyes:

    Immigrants! Even when it was the bears putting pressure on our water system I knew it was them.


  • #9
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Most of the water treatment infrastructure probably dates from at least 40 years ago when water charges were the norm.

    Once abolished in 1977, services and infrastructure likely went downhill and there was no money available to make the huge upgrades required.


  • #10
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Look. This country may be third world in many ways. Fifty percent marginal rate of tax, 23% vat rate etc. but at the end of the day , we have the worlds greatest welfare system. Protecting “ de vulnerable “ sure fcuk the rest of them !


  • #11
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    So a 20% increase in the population over the past 20 years has no effect on the water system ?


    I suppose Immigrants must import their water from outside Ireland:rolleyes:

    Do the immigrants contribute zero money to the economy?

    If , as a percentage, they contribute the same in taxes as the population that was already here, then they are putting no more strain on it than the rest of us.


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  • #12
    ronaneire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭ronaneire


    Straffan1979 wrote: »
    Do people realise that the water collected at Leixlip contains very significant quantities of treated sewage discharge from every plant upstream of Leixlip all the way to Ballymore Eustace; one of the largest treatment plants in the country discharges at Osberstown near Naas into the the Liffey and this water is then used again through the plant at Leixslip- this water includes all noxious chemicals the whole of Kildare flushes and washes down their sinks! That's what we're drinking in the Dublin City 2019.

    I'm surprised is this hasn't been highlighted before- an accident waiting to happen and I'd say alarms were ignored for many years; we need new proper purpose built reservoir in the midlands for the city- Liffey water with sewage discharge and agricultural run off is a public health scandal ; at least abstracted water upstream of Ballymore Eustace is some way 'pure' and that supplies most of kildare /south Dublin afaik- third world stuff at Leixlip.


    Have you ever been to another city in the world and drank their tap water or brushed your teeth and rinsed out your mouth? Have you ever thought where their water comes from?


    Our Neighbours in the UK have done this for years!!


  • #13
    Uncle Charlie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Do the immigrants contribute zero money to the economy?

    If , as a percentage, they contribute the same in taxes as the population that was already here, then they are putting no more strain on it than the rest of us.


    Many of them work in low wage jobs pay little or no tax and that's before we get onto the illegals.


  • #14
    Uncle Charlie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    VinLieger wrote: »
    LOL immigrants really are responsible for everything aren't they :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    Produce a single piece of factual evidence to show immigration SPECIFICALLY is causing problems with our water supply and people maybe wont consider you to be a racist troll


    Its simple supply and demand.


    The more people you have the more pressure is put on the system.


    Its not rocket science.



    I don't blame the Immigrants them selves but the Politicians who are responsible for Mass Immigration.


  • #15
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Many of them work in low wage jobs pay little or no tax and that's before we get onto the illegals.

    I know quite a few in well paid jobs or married with kids here.

    Your coming at our water supply and sewage problems from the wrong angle completely.


  • #16
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Nobody is talking about the pressure Mass Immigration is putting on our water system.

    That's it. I've had it up to here with these damned culchies coming to Dublin and taking our jobs. :pac:


  • #17
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Irish Water were warned about this by the EPA on several occasions, over six months ago. They did nothing to remediate the issue.


  • #18
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭crossman47


    ronaneire wrote: »
    Have you ever been to another city in the world and drank their tap water or brushed your teeth and rinsed out your mouth? Have you ever thought where their water comes from?


    Our Neighbours in the UK have done this for years!!

    Indeed. I remember reading the water in London has been through the system numerous times.


  • #19
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    ‘ NO WAY, WE WON’T PAY’ was the battle cry of the morons who thought they should get a precious resource sent to them and disposed of for nothing.


  • #20
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Nobody is talking about the pressure Mass Immigration is putting on our water system.

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  • #21
    Straffan1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Straffan1979


    ronaneire wrote: »
    Have you ever been to another city in the world and drank their tap water or brushed your teeth and rinsed out your mouth? Have you ever thought where their water comes from?


    Our Neighbours in the UK have done this for years!!


    And that's the reason we should do it- because the UK does-we don't need to use this type of water- the midlands is currently underwater.

    The obvious solution is to use some of our cutaway bog to built a large resevoir capable of alleviating flooding and storing large buffers of water with an associated modern treatment plant,

    What's goin into the rivers and heading downstream is undergoing primary/secondary treatment at best and we want to treat that low grade water low down in a river basin using archaic plants- we should be all paying for water and working towards a proper system of water treatment.


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  • #22
    Cina
    Registered Users Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭Cina


    So the first response to a discussion about our inadequate water treatment system was to blame d'immigrants.

    Sigh.


  • #23
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    ‘ NO WAY, WE WON’T PAY’ was the battle cry of the morons who thought they should get a precious resource sent to them and disposed of for nothing.




    If you think back, VAT and Road Tax were bith raised by 2% to pay for water,

    So we already Are paying for this supposedly Free Resource!!


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Nobody is talking about the pressure Mass Immigration is putting on our water system.


    I thought this was a witty troll, exactly what you'd expect some dope on boards to conceivably write about any topic, but seeing as you continued to double down on it, I'm not so sure


  • #25
    dubrov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Forget the immigrants, think of all the pets out there putting pressure on the water supply.
    I've even seen some pet dogs drink direct from rivers and lakes before we even get a chance to use it.


  • #26
    Marcos
    Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Marcos


    The EPA issued a report on the amount of water being used after the Ringsend spillage in July.
    The tone of the EPA statement is worth noting.

    The agency said it had "repeatedly highlighted" that Ringsend was failing to meet Irish and EU standards due to capacity problems.

    It said: "The plant has a capacity to treat waste water from a population equivalent of 1.64 million. The load entering the plant is from a population equivalent of 2.3 million."

    Now this points to either of two things. First that Irish people use so much extra water than those in other countries. Something not shown in statistics, which show the opposite Irish users use approximately 80 litres compared to 121 litres in Germany and 114 litres in Denmark.

    Or, there are more people in Dublin than are shown on the official statistics. So where are the extra six hundred thousand coming from? I don't remember the last census saying that the greater Dublin area had a population of 2.3 million. They can't all be tourists surely?

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • #27
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    come on now OP, immigration is 100% positive. nothing negative can be associated with it.


  • #28
    Annd9
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭Annd9


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    ‘ NO WAY, WE WON’T PAY’ was the battle cry of the morons who thought they should get a precious resource sent to them and disposed of for nothing.

    Absolute Nonsense ! The plant in Lexlip had a major revamp less then 10 years ago (I worked on it ) this was a system failure and nothing to do with funding . We won't let the truth get in the way of your story though .....


  • #29
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Annd9 wrote: »
    Absolute Nonsense ! The plant in Lexlip had a major revamp less then 10 years ago (I worked on it ) this was a system failure and nothing to do with funding . We won't let the truth get in the way of your story though .....

    Wonder is water charges going to be back on the cards. Oh look our infrastructure is ****e.
    More monies please.


  • #30
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    ronaneire wrote: »
    Have you ever been to another city in the world and drank their tap water or brushed your teeth and rinsed out your mouth? Have you ever thought where their water comes from?


    Our Neighbours in the UK have done this for years!!

    Mine comes straight from mountain springs, piped over 100kms to the city


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  • #31
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,319 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    ‘ NO WAY, WE WON’T PAY’ was the battle cry of the morons who thought they should get a precious resource sent to them and disposed of for nothing.


    And this is the key problem.

    Irish Water was designed to be a commercial semi-State body that could fund itself through borrowings. That required water charges to give it independent funding. Without this arrangement, funding for improving the infrastructure would not be available and inevitably there would be largescale problems with the Dublin water supply.

    In the later years of the last decade, this was understood and supported by all of the main parties (excepting whatever PBP were then called). One by one, starting with Sinn Fein, then Fianna Fail, Labour, and eventually Fine Gael, this policy and position was abandoned (the Greens remain somewhat ambivalent) and we are where we are today.


  • #32
    Zayden Immense Traction
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Zayden Immense Traction


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Nobody is talking about the pressure Mass Immigration is putting on our water system.

    You're talking about it.


  • #33
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Marcos wrote: »
    The EPA issued a report on the amount of water being used after the Ringsend spillage in July.


    Yeah all they do is issue reports. At this stage they should be actually doing something more threatening than sending more inspectors in. There are massive EU fines down the road. 9 billion litres of untreated waste water have been discharged into the Liffey Estuary system since 2015, including;
    • 2.8 billion litres discharged on 30 occasions in 2015
    • 3.1 billion litres discharged on 35 occasions in 2016
    • 1.2 billion litres discharged on 14 occasions in 2017
    • 2 billion litres discharged on 18 occasions in 2018
    • 320 million litres discharged on seven occasions in 2019
    Heads don't seem to roll with IW.


    Creaking infrastructure ? Yeah like every other fcuking service in this country over the last 8/9 years. Why is that ?


  • #34
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Between housing, healthcare, crazy Direct Provision policies, public transport and now drinking water the country is going down a very precarious road.

    There has been gross mismanagement of our tax take. Almost criminal tbh.


  • #35
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    This isn’t a tax issue. When Irish water was started it took all the staff the other semi states didn’t want. These people have a license to press whatever buttons they want on whatever day they want to turn up whilst shouting

    “Not my fault, the system is creaking we need a tax but the great unwashed won’t pay it.

    And near 50 per cent of people here will agree.


  • #36
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    ‘ NO WAY, WE WON’T PAY’ was the battle cry of the morons who thought they should get a precious resource sent to them and disposed of for nothing.

    It actually stinks of another attempt at implementing water charges tbh.

    Water charges that were covered in our bloody road tax.


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  • #37
    Liberta Per Gli Ultra
    Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Liberta Per Gli Ultra


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Irish Water was designed to be a commercial semi-State body that could fund itself through borrowings.

    That's a nice little earner for the lenders. Money for no work.
    That required water charges to give it independent funding.

    The public forced to hand over money to a commercial entity. No wonder the private sector is so "efficient", efficient like the mafia.


  • #38
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    ‘ NO WAY, WE WON’T PAY’ was the battle cry of the morons who thought they should get a precious resource sent to them and disposed of for nothing.

    I supported water charges initially , then I realized in this kip; That with all the exceptions. It will only be the non wasters footing the bill , far better that it’s taken from general taxation!


  • #39
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Between housing, healthcare, crazy Direct Provision policies, public transport and now drinking water the country is going down a very precarious road.

    There has been gross mismanagement of our tax take. Almost criminal tbh.

    The immigration comment is a troll. Let me move onto a serious issue though. An obscene welfare state that sends billions of hard working taxpayers money into bookies , pubs , takeaways, expensive phone and tv packages. Nike’s newest straight out of Bangladesh. The busiest dominoes and KrispyKreme branches in the world , in areas at the centre of can’t pay , won’t pay. Funny what they can and can’t afford from the free money they gifted every week !

    Meanwhile in the same country 3rd works infrastructure, many hard working can’t afford homes, outrageous marginal tax rate. We hear about “ de bank bailout “ one off pocket money compared to the ever living welfare blackhole!

    Areas starved of funding , but keep the welfare bandwagon going at all costs ! To hell with the consequences!


  • #40
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    People were complaining about this all day in work and I made the comment if people had just paid the few quid a month rather than chaining themselves to a lampost on O'Connell Street a couple of years back, there would be €1.5bn more funding available to upgrade the water supply.

    Unsurprisingly, it was not a popular opinion.

    We pay too much in tax so they won't pay, was the argument - water is a divine right. But these same people who won't pay are the scroungers who demand everything for free.
    The majority would have grumbled and put their hands reluctantly into their pockets.

    That of course isn't fair either, why should the rest of us carry the scumbags - but for the sake of a few euro it would have just been easier.

    We need a tax regime that penalises benefit culture. And we need it before we run out of money propping up wasters.


  • #41
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,533 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    There's a thread in the Dublin City forum already discussing the water issue


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