Glasgow vs Munster, Mon 23rd Nov 8:15pm; Eir Sport 1

sydthebeat · 23-11-2020 10:57pm

And now a kick out on the full from first phase play

molloyjh · 23-11-2020 10:59pm

Great stuff.

sydthebeat · 23-11-2020 10:59pm

Real game of hide the ball there

degsie · 23-11-2020 11:00pm

deserved try!

razorblunt · 23-11-2020 11:00pm

Kleyn deserved that, he’s been battling all night.

Akrasia · 23-11-2020 11:01pm

Incredible. 5 Points away to Glasgow. Brilliant team performance given the conditions. So many young players leading this team.

Very happy with this

degsie · 23-11-2020 11:02pm

Coombes!

accensi0n · 23-11-2020 11:02pm

de allende the Munster Lowe? Running in from the backs to celebrate like mad. :pac:

sydthebeat · 23-11-2020 11:03pm

Very assured performance by munster in that weather, to take away five points.

Can't help but think Scottish Rugby really is dumb right now.
The box kick to touch at the end just sums up their stupidity

Clareman · 23-11-2020 11:03pm

What a result, bonus point away to Glasgow isn't supposed to happen, great performance, 3 bonus points from 6 matches is a great sign as well.

molloyjh · 23-11-2020 11:05pm

Munster made harder work of that than they should have. Some really poor decisions to go for the posts in the third quarter could have cost them. Luckily Glasgow were shocking and incapable of taking advantage. They seemed more interested in finding new ways to shoot themselves in the collective feet.

leakyboots · 23-11-2020 11:06pm

Bonus point in really crappy conditions with host of young guns in the team and on the bench, we'll take it! Was scrappy after half time but we closed it well.

Coombes and Casey are really pushing for inclusion, maybe towards being worthy of a look internationally in some context in the near future. Healy had a few wayward kicks from hand/at goal but you'll forgive him in the conditions. I'd give him the jersey for the season or until Joey proves himself again.

Very impressed by our handling so far this season - we're trying tip-ons, offloads, pops off the floor - they weren't happening last season but it's working a lot more this season.

Akrasia · 23-11-2020 11:06pm

Zebre next week. Should be 7 from 7 before the break. Think we'll be good enough to beat Quinns and Clermont. Can't see us losing until we play Leinster at christmas

Buer · 23-11-2020 11:08pm

Clareman wrote: »

What a result, bonus point away to Glasgow isn't supposed to happen.

It does this season. I can't overstate how f*cked the league is at the moment. It's like the provinces are the only teams really trying.

Glasgow have now lost to all 4 provinces in the opening 7 rounds.

aloooof · 23-11-2020 11:08pm

Looked in the balance at 13-15, so that's a brilliant outcome.

It's great to see the young lads having such a central role. Casey is a livewire, had one box kick out on the full today, but other than that they were excellent. Coombes as well has been playing brilliant stuff, surely has to be involved in the Champions Cup.

Burkie1203 · 23-11-2020 11:13pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Munster made harder work of that than they should have. Some really poor decisions to go for the posts in the third quarter could have cost them. Luckily Glasgow were shocking and incapable of taking advantage. They seemed more interested in finding new ways to shoot themselves in the collective feet.

Glasgow seemed to always follow up giving away a penalty in the Munster 22 by giving another one away at the resulting lineout. So they go 80 metres back and Munster literally don't pass the ball or run a single metre.

Ryan Wilson is the dumbest person I've ever seen play rugby

Akrasia · 23-11-2020 11:14pm

Buer wrote: »

It does this season. I can't overstate how f*cked the league is at the moment. It's like the provinces are the only teams really trying.

Glasgow have now lost to all 4 provinces in the opening 7 rounds.

All 4 irish provinces are playing really well

Leinster are Leinster,

Last year Ulster couldn't hold onto the ball, so many knock-ons, handling errors etc, this year, they have been much much better

Connacht are also a really really good team. The Munster players who joined them last year have really added to their squad. Wootton is playing really well, Arnold and Oliver are both really good players who I'd be more than happy to see starting on any Munster team.

The IRFU are so good at managing the 4 provinces, moving players to where they are needed, making sure that we have good squad management.

The Scottish and Welsh rugby unions are amatures compared to the IRFU

thomond2006 · 23-11-2020 11:17pm

BP win, Munster made it harder on themselves by opting for three points on occasions when backing their lineout maul to score again seemed the more obvious decision.

Ryan Wilson being binned for doing Ryan Wilson things is the cherry on the top.

Akrasia · 23-11-2020 11:20pm

Craig Casey is going to be the next Irish 1st choice scrum half.

Unless something awful happens injury wise, he is by far the most mature and promising 9 I have seen in years.

(Marmion is 2nd, but a fair bit behind at this stage of development)

Buer · 23-11-2020 11:22pm

Akrasia wrote: »

All 4 irish provinces are playing really well

Leinster are Leinster,

Last year Ulster couldn't hold onto the ball, so many knock-ons, handling errors etc, this year, they have been much much better

Connacht are also a really really good team. The Munster players who joined them last year have really added to their squad. Wootton is playing really well, Arnold and Oliver are both really good players who I'd be more than happy to see starting on any Munster team.

The IRFU are so good at managing the 4 provinces, moving players to where they are needed, making sure that we have good squad management.

The Scottish and Welsh rugby unions are amatures compared to the IRFU

I think you're being very optimistic to assume this season is as a result of the management of the provinces. The most significant factor, by a mile, has been the collapse of the other teams.

The provinces are playing OK. They're not some magical group of teams tearing it up. They're just doing simple things and being relatively accurate. They haven't suddenly become significantly better teams this season.

The rest of the league has gone miles backwards. I don't think that's up for debate. Leinster were pretty average last night and ended up scoring 40. They made errors, struggled to break down Cardiff and then they suddenly scored 21 points in 13 minutes.

Akrasia · 23-11-2020 11:25pm

I just think it is hilarious. If the irish provinces were at the bottom half of the table, there would be poster after poster saying that our provinces are not good enough and demanding changes

But when the provinces are all doing well, those same posters are saying it's because the other unions are terrible and we're only on top because the league is so bad.

Cookiemunster · 23-11-2020 11:27pm

Akrasia wrote: »

Zebre next week. Should be 7 from 7 before the break. Think we'll be good enough to beat Quinns and Clermont. Can't see us losing until we play Leinster at christmas

Relax there. We've yet to play anyone actually any good. That was a good win, but Glasgow were poor. We should beat Quinns, but Clermont are sitting third in the Top14 with two games in hand. There still a bloody good team and will be our first real test this season.

molloyjh · 23-11-2020 11:29pm

Akrasia wrote: »

I just think it is hilarious. If the irish provinces were at the bottom half of the table, there would be poster after poster saying that our provinces are not good enough and demanding changes

But when the provinces are all doing well, those same posters are saying it's because the other unions are terrible and we're only on top because the league is so bad.

I think you'll find that those saying "temper your reactions because context" would be saying it no matter the scenario. The other sides in the league have gone to pot. I dont see how saying that is a bad thing. Its just true. And it won't serve any of the provinces in the long run.

leakyboots · 23-11-2020 11:29pm

Yeah, Quins, Leinster and Clermont are the acid tests. We'll see where this team is the far side of those games.

Cookiemunster · 23-11-2020 11:31pm

Akrasia wrote: »

I just think it is hilarious. If the irish provinces were at the bottom half of the table, there would be poster after poster saying that our provinces are not good enough and demanding changes

But when the provinces are all doing well, those same posters are saying it's because the other unions are terrible and we're only on top because the league is so bad.

The rest of the league is bloody awful. Just look at the conferences. Ulster in second are 20 points clear of Ospreys in Conference A. Munster are 11 points clear with a game in hand in Conference B.

After 7 rounds.

thomond2006 · 23-11-2020 11:31pm

Akrasia wrote: »

I just think it is hilarious. If the irish provinces were at the bottom half of the table, there would be poster after poster saying that our provinces are not good enough and demanding changes

But when the provinces are all doing well, those same posters are saying it's because the other unions are terrible and we're only on top because the league is so bad.

The result tonight was very good but when the provinces are the only sides with a winning record then there's a massive issue in the league. This weekend the provinces earned 20 points from 20.

It's the nature of some of the defeats too. Munster could have easily won by 25 tonight. Leinster are absolutely coasting it. Even a supposed tough game against Cardiff ended in a 35 point win. Conference A is over already. Conference B is a three horse race.

UAEguy2020 · 23-11-2020 11:33pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Relax there. We've yet to play anyone actually any good. That was a good win, but Glasgow were poor. We should beat Quinns, but Clermont are sitting third in the Top14 with two games in hand. There still a bloody good team and will be our first real test this season.

They’ll be rubbish if we win though I’d imagine.

sydthebeat · 23-11-2020 11:34pm

Is it correct that Leinster have already qualified for the play offs after that result??

UAEguy2020 · 23-11-2020 11:35pm

leakyboots wrote: »

Yeah, Quins, Leinster and Clermont are the acid tests. We'll see where this team is the far side of those games.

Target for me

Quin’s - 5 points
Clermont - 1 point
Leinster - 4 points

Get that done in those 3 games and we are flying.

Buer · 23-11-2020 11:35pm

Akrasia wrote: »

I just think it is hilarious. If the irish provinces were at the bottom half of the table, there would be poster after poster saying that our provinces are not good enough and demanding changes

But when the provinces are all doing well, those same posters are saying it's because the other unions are terrible and we're only on top because the league is so bad.

This isn't the provinces doing well. This is the top 3 provinces having won 20 matches from 20. They have a combined points difference of 382 i.e. an average winning margin of 19 points. No other team outside the 4 provinces has a winning record.

If you don't think there's a massive problem with that and it's just looking to complain, I don't know what else to say. I'd much rather the provinces were losing the odd game and being challenged.

Leinstertomas · 23-11-2020 11:45pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Is it correct that Leinster have already qualified for the play offs after that result??

No, wont have it mathematically secured for at least a few rounds. 30 points clear of Glasgow who have 15 games left (assuming it is a 21 game season). Will still be secured ridiculously early though.

sydthebeat · 23-11-2020 11:58pm

Leinstertomas wrote: »

No, wont have it mathematically secured for at least a few rounds. 30 points clear of Glasgow who have 15 games left (assuming it is a 21 game season). Will still be secured ridiculously early though.

Theres not 14 teams so there can't be 21 rounds.

So it's home and away in your conference and once against the other conference, which is 16 rounds.

So with leinster 30 points ahead of Glasgow, and possibly 9 rounds left, they aren't qualified yet, but two more TBP wins and they will be.

At least that's how I read it

Leinstertomas · 24-11-2020 3:00am

sydthebeat wrote: »

Theres not 14 teams so there can't be 21 rounds.

So it's home and away in your conference and once against the other conference, which is 16 rounds.

So with leinster 30 points ahead of Glasgow, and possibly 9 rounds left, they aren't qualified yet, but two more TBP wins and they will be.

At least that's how I read it

You're right, completely forgot to take that into account. Hard to have much interest in the league right now apart from seeing some promising performances from younger Irish players. At least we got a couple of competitive matches over last 2 nights.

Bazzo · 24-11-2020 7:52am

sydthebeat wrote: »

Theres not 14 teams so there can't be 21 rounds.

So it's home and away in your conference and once against the other conference, which is 16 rounds.

So with leinster 30 points ahead of Glasgow, and possibly 9 rounds left, they aren't qualified yet, but two more TBP wins and they will be.

At least that's how I read it

Thought they still hadn't officially ruled out any south African input this season? Just that there definitely wouldn't be any involvement from them until next year

Burkie1203 · 24-11-2020 8:11am

Leinstertomas wrote: »

No, wont have it mathematically secured for at least a few rounds. 30 points clear of Glasgow who have 15 games left (assuming it is a 21 game season). Will still be secured ridiculously early though.

I think because of the way the fixtures fall now it's impossible to not make the playoffs. Trying to figure it out but it's actually fairly close.

NotCarrotRidge · 24-11-2020 8:49am

Am I imagining it or did Kleyn appear to do something very utterly unacceptable in the tussle following the Wilson hit on Casey? I thought it was very obvious but there doesn't seem to be a peep about it.

Tomtom364 · 24-11-2020 8:58am

NotCarrotRidge wrote: »

Am I imagining it or did Kleyn appear to do something very utterly unacceptable in the tussle following the Wilson hit on Casey? I thought it was very obvious but there doesn't seem to be a peep about it.

Wasn't a good look to it, and certainly enough people saying the same thing online.

Thought it looked a bit dogey myself, but there was nothing clearly showing it and the absolute zero reaction to it or mention of it from Wilson would lead me to believe it wasn't what it looked like. A Glasgow player (4 I think) was hanging off Klynes face aswell. And it looked a bit like Klyne settled for a little hair pull on Wilson at the end.

DdA with a few pushes that looked alot like semi punches as well.
But then again I thought Wilson half headbutted DdA when he first draged him in for the scuffle

Jump_In_Jack · 24-11-2020 10:18am

sydthebeat wrote: »

Theres not 14 teams so there can't be 21 rounds.

So it's home and away in your conference and once against the other conference, which is 16 rounds.

So with leinster 30 points ahead of Glasgow, and possibly 9 rounds left, they aren't qualified yet, but two more TBP wins and they will be.

At least that's how I read it

Plus the other two Interpro matches, or "regional derbies", so with 12 teams in two conferences of 6 teams in each it should be 18 matches in the league stage qualifying rounds.
So, 7 rounds gone and 11 to go before the playoffs, which apparently are semi-finals and a final, no quarter-finals planned as far as I understand it.

phog · 24-11-2020 10:41am

A win is a win, a BP win nothing to be sneezed at especially on a wet windy night away from home but the scoreline flattered Glasgow. We made hard work of it and after going 2 trys up from mauls we start kicking at goal, I can't explain it aside form we gifted them a try with some very soft defense so maybe we thought we needed to get points on the board but neither kick was a gimmie. I'd have kicked to the corner all day long for those types of kicks on a night like last night.

A few kicks that went dead brought Glasgow back into the game when we should really have been looking at being home and hosed.

The officials were piss poor, some terrible calls and some non interventions from the TMO especially around the scuffle where Wilson was carded but as they made an arse of themselves with the very first TMO check I'd say the ref wasn't going through that again.

Henry Ford III · 24-11-2020 12:04pm

Awful weather so a tbp and maximum points is a good result.

Glasgow vs Munster, Mon 23rd Nov 8:15pm; Eir Sport 1

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