F1 2020: Round 12 : Portugal Grand Prix

Burkie1203 · 25-10-2020 3:36pm

Red Bull need to consider Perez seriously if they aren't going to bring Gasly back

klose · 25-10-2020 3:36pm

Hamilton lapping everyone bar 2nd to 4th, madness.

Tzardine · 25-10-2020 3:36pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Lewis has cramp, he is really up against it now for these 7 laps.

Still I Rise

lolie · 25-10-2020 3:37pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Lewis has cramp, he is really up against it now for these 7 laps.

Then goes and sets fastest lap of the race.

PsychoPete · 25-10-2020 3:39pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Red Bull need to consider Perez seriously if they aren't going to bring Gasly back

Don't they like to stay within their academy but I'd agree. I don't think Gasly should go back their if he was offered the seat

This is it · 25-10-2020 3:41pm

Fair play to Gasly

TheDoctor · 25-10-2020 3:42pm

Surprise Gasly not even in top 3 driver of the day

skipper_G · 25-10-2020 3:42pm

In hindsight Mercedes did Bottas a favour keeping him off the softs, they're not working.

Not that it matters, Hamilton has a free stop on Bottas

Autosport · 25-10-2020 3:45pm

92 Wins

Congratulations Lewis

ctrl-alt-delete · 25-10-2020 3:47pm

Bottas shouldn't be getting beat by 25 seconds.

Well done Lewis.

skipper_G · 25-10-2020 3:48pm

That was some pace from Hamilton, wiped the floor with Bottas today. Never expected to see Schumacher's record broken, some achievement. Fair play to Hamilton

This is it · 25-10-2020 3:48pm

As much as I dislike him, you don't get to 92 wins without a huge amount of talent.

Delighted for LeClerc and Gasly

klose · 25-10-2020 3:48pm

Lewis telling porkys over the radio I'd say, concerned about his tyres and stays out for 20+ laps on them, claims to have cramp and keeps recording faster laps after it.

Those post win radio conversations with bono sound so soulless and they almost sound bored.

ctrl-alt-delete · 25-10-2020 3:50pm

klose wrote: »

Lewis telling porkys over the radio I'd say, concerned about his tyres and stays out for 20+ laps on them, claims to have cramp and keeps recording faster laps after it.

Those post win radio conversations with bono sound so soulless and they almost sound bored.

I'm sure it is just a button that gets pressed to trigger the "get in there Lewis"

Cool_CM · 25-10-2020 3:51pm

Fair fups to Lewis. Glad that there are actually fans there to see it and give him a cheer.

This is it · 25-10-2020 3:52pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I'm sure it is just a button that gets pressed to trigger the "get in there Lewis"

Sounds like a serious lack of emotion but maybe that's just how Bono is

Busi_Girl08 · 25-10-2020 3:52pm

Max and Valtteri sound pretty fed up.

McFly85 · 25-10-2020 3:54pm

It’s a phenomenal achievement by Hamilton. Brilliant driver, who can sometimes be underrated because he’s in such a dominant car.

I just wish sometimes he could sound more bloody excited about breaking all these records!

Tzardine · 25-10-2020 3:54pm

and here comes the rain

Inquitus · 25-10-2020 3:54pm

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Max and Valtteri sound pretty fed up.

Aye Valtteri has a lot to be fed up about at this stage, tbh. Max less so, but still constant 3rd place has got to grate on him weekend after weekend.

Larbre34 · 25-10-2020 3:58pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye Valtteri has a lot to be fed up about at this stage, tbh. Max less so, but still constant 3rd place has got to grate on him weekend after weekend.

Better than constant 4th.

Busi_Girl08 · 25-10-2020 3:59pm

All that aside, Hamilton's dad excitedly recording everything on his tablet is adorable

Larbre34 · 25-10-2020 3:59pm

Wondering why Anthony Hamilton is recording proceedings on his tablet when his son has his own personal documentary television station in SkyF1?

murphyebass · 25-10-2020 4:24pm

Just finished watching today’s race.

Boring and Predictable are the two words that come to mind.

F1 is in a really bad spot right now.

I really hope the upcoming changes have an impact but I’m really not optimistic about them.

I miss F1 of old. Unpredictable races with mechanicals etc.

Everything is just too perfect right now. Too much technology. Too much information.

Anyway not even a rant, more of a sigh of disappointment tbh.

25-10-2020 4:40pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Just finished watching today’s race.

Boring and Predictable are the two words that come to mind.

F1 is in a really bad spot right now.

I really hope the upcoming changes have an impact but I’m really not optimistic about them.

I miss F1 of old. Unpredictable races with mechanicals etc.

Everything is just too perfect right now. Too much technology. Too much information.

Anyway not even a rant, more of a sigh of disappointment tbh.

Yeah the reliability is one of the main things that gets to me now. Part of it is too much information as you say. Another part is that the limits are set super conservative. Power harvesting and charging even in the KERS days was easy to hit the limit on. The engines run nowhere near their design limits (assuming they're designed anywhere near the quality the V8s were, 10500 RPM is nothing) and how often are there hydraulic or gearbox failures?
On the TMI side, the most fun we seem to get after washed out practice/new track surfaces and the like. We had the bit of fun at the start today but we all knew it wouldn't last so it's hard to get invested in it.

DellyBelly · 25-10-2020 5:26pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Just finished watching today’s race.

Boring and Predictable are the two words that come to mind.

F1 is in a really bad spot right now.

I really hope the upcoming changes have an impact but I’m really not optimistic about them.

I miss F1 of old. Unpredictable races with mechanicals etc.

Everything is just too perfect right now. Too much technology. Too much information.

Anyway not even a rant, more of a sigh of disappointment tbh.

IT is very predictable however that shouldn't take away the fact we are probably getting to watch the greatest driver of all time at the moment. Reminds me of how Tiger Woods in golf in the early 2000s was so dominant

Beagslife · 25-10-2020 5:27pm

What was the general verdict on the race track? Can you see it becoming a permanent fixture? Obviously the weather over the weekend didn't help but October in Algarve is often fantastic.

recyclebin · 25-10-2020 5:39pm

There would have been little or no overtakes except for DRS. Don't think they will be back.

On a related note, if the 2022 cars are going to a lot less turbulent then I would let everyone use DRS whenever they wanted, or just get rid of it altogether.

murphyebass · 25-10-2020 5:44pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

IT is very predictable however that shouldn't take away the fact we are probably getting to watch the greatest driver of all time at the moment. Reminds me of how Tiger Woods in golf in the early 2000s was so dominant

I agree. It’s just a shame he’s in a red bull.

Oops! · 25-10-2020 6:00pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

IT is very predictable however that shouldn't take away the fact we are probably getting to watch the greatest driver of all time at the moment. Reminds me of how Tiger Woods in golf in the early 2000s was so dominant

Or the French Seb, top of his game at all levels of the sport for the last 20 odd years, he's fairly handy behind the wheel aswell.... Heading to Saudi Arabia in January i see.....;)

Frank Bullitt · 25-10-2020 6:05pm

I wish we had more of the racing we had in the first 6 laps today, they were great. After that...kiss my ass.

Another stinker, predictable and nothing enjoyable about it at all. The Mercs might as well have auto drive like a Tesla at this stage, no challenge of any sort from any car that is not a Merc.

God I miss when F1 was good, seasons like 2010 and 2012 seem so damn long ago where we had a legit fight for a championship and multiple teams that could win each weekend. We have a glorified marketing campaign by a manufacturer right now.

Fair play to Hamilton on breaking the record, as I have said before, to me this was on the cards since Rosberg decided he had enough and Merc didn't want a driver who would ruffle the feathers. Play it safe and take the wins, as we saw today.

Maybe F1 will be fun to watch again someday...

kksaints · 25-10-2020 6:06pm

Beagslife wrote: »

What was the general verdict on the race track? Can you see it becoming a permanent fixture? Obviously the weather over the weekend didn't help but October in Algarve is often fantastic.

Track was ok, DRS zone was too long and made overtaking on the main straight too easy. Can't see it becoming permanent, isn't historical and I doubt the money is there for the race fees compared to the Middle and Far East countries.

25-10-2020 7:03pm

recyclebin wrote: »

There would have been little or no overtakes except for DRS. Don't think they will be back.

Au contraire, the moves were done before T1 because of DRS but a lot of the moves had people getting great runs off of the last turn and with DRS would've been close into T1 rather than ahead at the braking point.

On a related note, if the 2022 cars are going to a lot less turbulent then I would let everyone use DRS whenever they wanted, or just get rid of it altogether.

Agreed on getting rid of it.

Man with broke phone · 25-10-2020 8:59pm

As a checo fan I really enjoyed that, heart breaking at the end for him though, tyres all wrong, you just have to take merc out of it to enjoy the race.

Inquitus · 25-10-2020 9:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah the reliability is one of the main things that gets to me now.

The reliability being so good is undoubtedly the result of the cost saving measures, and the fact you are only allowed so few engines per season without being penalised. Back in the old days it was a knifes edge between extracting as much power as possible for an engine that was replaced after each session, and hoping it wouldn't blow up during the race.

25-10-2020 10:25pm

Inquitus wrote: »

The reliability being so good is undoubtedly the result of the cost saving measures, and the fact you are only allowed so few engines per season without being penalised. Back in the old days it was a knifes edge between extracting as much power as possible for an engine that was replaced after each session, and hoping it wouldn't blow up during the race.

Even just with the engines running at around 10500 RPM. Originally rules said that 15k was the limit but the fuel flow etc. meant it wasn't worth it. So even just on that they can be designed well within design limits. That goes for the engine and hydraulics and all, they're just nowhere near a hard limit in their usage.

kopite386 · 25-10-2020 10:30pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Wondering why Anthony Hamilton is recording proceedings on his tablet when his son has his own personal documentary television station in SkyF1?

Because even Anthony Hamilton doesn't like David Croft's commentating

chicorytip · 25-10-2020 10:51pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Just finished watching today’s race.

Boring and Predictable are the two words that come to mind.

F1 is in a really bad spot right now.

I really hope the upcoming changes have an impact but I’m really not optimistic about them.

I miss F1 of old. Unpredictable races with mechanicals etc.

Everything is just too perfect right now. Too much technology. Too much information.

Anyway not even a rant, more of a sigh of disappointment tbh.

All races have exciting and interesting parts and today's was typical of that and seeing Hamilton at his brilliant best is never boring.

This is it · 25-10-2020 11:23pm

chicorytip wrote: »

All races have exciting and interesting parts and today's was typical of that and seeing Hamilton at his brilliant best is never boring.

Sure you don't see Hamilton for most of the race, do you know why? Because it's boring and predictable.

Charlie-Bravo · 26-10-2020 12:06am

There only thing saving F1 from me stopping looking at it is the coverage of the action in the midfield.

Back in the nineties/earlier 2000s during the Schumacher reign, we were treated to coverage of the Ferraris find lap after lap, especially during Italian races when the TV directors of the country ran the show!

AMKC · 26-10-2020 12:19am

It was an ok race.nothing great but there was some nice racing by Sergio, Carlos Seinz, and others. Nice to see Limi do go again for a bit too. Well done to Lewis
If the FIA wanted to make the races interesting and exciting they could say that the fastest teams have to run on the worse tyres for the track they are on. So the Mercs today on the Softs or whatever they had on at the beginning and the cars further back on mediums might make it more exciting but maybe that would just be another gimmick like DRS. Just an idea.

quokula · 26-10-2020 12:27am

Bottas really doesn’t belong on the F1 grid. Imagine how much more interesting the last few years would have been if Mercedes had a slightly above average driver like Rosberg continuing to give Hamilton a hard time.

Zaph · 26-10-2020 12:48am

Beagslife wrote: »

What was the general verdict on the race track? Can you see it becoming a permanent fixture? Obviously the weather over the weekend didn't help but October in Algarve is often fantastic.

I liked that the track had some undulations, it made it a bit more visually interesting than the usual pretty flat Tilkedromes. But that was about it really. DRS was far too powerful and then the only natural overtaking spot was at the end of the same straight anyway. It kind of made the rest of the track a bit redundant tbh.

chicorytip wrote: »

All races have exciting and interesting parts and today's was typical of that and seeing Hamilton at his brilliant best is never boring.

But it is really. I'm not saying he's not the best driver out there, he clearly is, but he's certainly not the most interesting or exciting to watch. If he hasn't qualified on pole, at best we'll probably see one pass against Bottas and then he's on his own for the rest of the race. I'd much rather watch the McLarens, Gasly and Danny Ric scrap it out for 5th place than Hamilton lapping the field.

26-10-2020 1:00am

The funny thing is if you had no previous knowledge then today's race would have been pretty enjoyable. It's just the inevitability detracts from it so much.
Have to ask though, how much was Hamilton holding back at the start? He didn't seem in a massive hurry to pass Bottas. Once he did he showed just how much more pace he had in hand. He passed him with 47 laps left and beat him by 25 seconds. That's over half a second a lap like, without traffic as a reason. Embarrassing.

jv2000 · 26-10-2020 9:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

The funny thing is if you had no previous knowledge then today's race would have been pretty enjoyable. It's just the inevitability detracts from it so much.
Have to ask though, how much was Hamilton holding back at the start? He didn't seem in a massive hurry to pass Bottas. Once he did he showed just how much more pace he had in hand. He passed him with 47 laps left and beat him by 25 seconds. That's over half a second a lap like, without traffic as a reason. Embarrassing.

The Merc is so far ahead of everybody else and this takes away from how bad Bottas is performing. He is not a challenge for Hamilton but because the car is so good he still defaults second place when he does not suffer the technical faults. It is almost laughable at this stage, whenever Hamilton wants to beat Bottas then he will. So often Bottas will dominate every practice session but as soon as it comes down to the qualifying then 4 out of 5 times Hamilton will have the measure of Bottas. And the race itself is even worse. When Hamilton chases down Bottas only 1 thing is going to happen, Hamilton is going to overtake him. By comparison to Rosberg, when Hamilton chased him down there was a 50% chance they would collide and that got into Hamilton's head. Also Rosberg was just a better driver (than Bottas) on race day.

Burkie1203 · 26-10-2020 10:29am

jv2000 wrote: »

The Merc is so far ahead of everybody else and this takes away from how bad Bottas is performing. He is not a challenge for Hamilton but because the car is so good he still defaults second place when he does not suffer the technical faults. It is almost laughable at this stage, whenever Hamilton wants to beat Bottas then he will. So often Bottas will dominate every practice session but as soon as it comes down to the qualifying then 4 out of 5 times Hamilton will have the measure of Bottas. And the race itself is even worse. When Hamilton chases down Bottas only 1 thing is going to happen, Hamilton is going to overtake him. By comparison to Rosberg, when Hamilton chased him down there was a 50% chance they would collide and that got into Hamilton's head. Also Rosberg was just a better driver (than Bottas) on race day.

Bottas went so far offline yesterday when Hamilton was catching him. Bizarre.

the_pen_turner · 26-10-2020 10:38am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Bottas went so far offline yesterday when Hamilton was catching him. Bizarre.

it was like he was getting lapped and had a blue flag.

MadYaker · 26-10-2020 10:38am

That was one of the best F1 races I've watched in years. That track should be used every year.

AMKC · 26-10-2020 10:54am

MadYaker wrote: »

That was one of the best F1 races I've watched in years. That track should be used every year.

It was ok but I would not go that far The first 6 laps were good but it got boring after that. It is a lovely track do and yes it would be good to see it on the calendar again.

Frank Bullitt · 26-10-2020 4:24pm

These new tracks acting as filler won't be around for next year. Once things open up again, the big tracks will want F1 back, so we shouldn't get comfy with Portugal, Imola or Mugello at all.

Probably the only good thing about this season as well.

F1 2020: Round 12 : Portugal Grand Prix

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