Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

Varik · 17-10-2019 12:56pm

They're being put as far away from those in power as possible, and SF are too up their own holes to say anything about it.

Brits out, asylum seekers in.

The Inpatient · 17-10-2019 12:59pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

What city is there, like this, which has 130 empty apartments?

Or are you saying that because we cannot provide the perfect situation, the people should stay in refugee camps?

You assume I propose they should all be housed together in one apartment block, if they were to be dispersed across a few locations in a city, it would work better for everyone, including the community, them and their children.

atticu · 17-10-2019 1:01pm

Boggles wrote: »

Not at all.

Local Housing authorities routinely allow homeless people switch and there may also be swaps because of various reasons.

Now you may have a bit of trouble if the local authority is absolutely overwhelmed, then they might enforce the rules regarding links in the area.

But homelessness would be eradicated within 12 months if the numbers could be dispersed throughout the island.

Obviously that will never happen.

First, why will it never happen?

And do you have any proof that homelessness can be eradicated?

enricoh · 17-10-2019 1:18pm

biko wrote: »

Boogles can't thank that far into the future

Aye, its like saying asylum seekers dont come here for welfare as they only get e39 a week.
Yeah, for the couple of years of penance they have to do in direct provision until they hit the jackpot that is leave to remain.

punisher5112 · 17-10-2019 1:25pm

The thing I could never understand is how asylum seekers got into council's and even mayor positions....

I think this is very wrong and while I'm at it our Irish police force should also be ran similar to Germany and France and so on where you must be a Irish citizen.

17-10-2019 1:52pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

The thing I could never understand is how asylum seekers got into council's and even mayor positions....

I think this is very wrong and while I'm at it our Irish police force should also be ran similar to Germany and France and so on where you must be a Irish citizen.

how do you expect people to integrate into a new society if you keep them isolated?

Sir Oxman · 17-10-2019 1:54pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

130 moving into an apartment block in November. 150 attended a meeting this evening about the plan. Would be good to see locals put a stop to it but probably not. Media pretty quiet so far and I think if this gets the coverage it should it will ramp up tensions....

Interesting SF now appear to support developers been paid to house asylum seekers but not for social housing!! The developer is Paul Collins.

Barry Whyte of Newstalk was in attendance. Cant link his twitter.

I think it should be proportionate numbers to whatever town is chosen.
I don't think Dublin or the other cities should take everyone.

Say 20-30 or so for somewhere like Ballinamore - on approval to stay, they can make their own way in the world with whatever help they need to enhance finding a job.

punisher5112 · 17-10-2019 1:54pm

bubblypop wrote: »

how do you expect people to integrate into a new society if you keep them isolated?

How is it isolation, they can work and contribute.

I honestly have a hard enough time having to deal with the political peeps we have and don't need others coming in telling us how to live...
No thanks.

17-10-2019 1:56pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

How is it isolation, they can work and contribute.

I honestly have a hard enough time having to deal with the political peeps we have and don't need others coming in telling us how to live...
No thanks.

politicians and police should mirror society.
If we have large numbers of say, Chinese people for example, then they should be obvious in our governments and police.
AGS need a lot of new faces, the more diverse the background the better, imo

James Brown · 17-10-2019 2:00pm

I don't think allowing asylum seekers in to sleep in the doorways of the GPO is a good idea.

Chinasea · 17-10-2019 2:08pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Seems he was a "newcomer", as are the gangs of adult men hanging around with attendant antisocial behaviour. That's the problem with this multiculturalist stuff, too many in power and in the media have to be seen to be careful in couching things in vague terms lest they be accused of some "ism" or other.

Ohh just like the same bogus "seems" gang/witch hunt we had recently in Courtown.

James Brown · 17-10-2019 2:11pm

Disenfranchised groups in a foreign country tend to stick together shocker. Poor people tend to commit more (unacceptable) crime shocker.

14dMoney · 17-10-2019 2:13pm

Antares35 wrote: »

Typical Irish village mentality. Get over yourself OP. You're only entitled to your own patch of grass and outside that you've no right to dictate who can or cannot live beside you. God forbid the back*rse of Ireland might diversify a bit!

Typical leafy suburban drivel. Why don't we move 150 asylum seekers to your neighborhood?

Drifter50 · 17-10-2019 2:14pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Who in their right mind wants to move to Leitrim for social housing. It would destroy them.
The locals are leaving Leitrim for years.

I'm from a town not a million miles away and a ton of folks are up and down the road to Dublin for work every day.

I`m from a town not that far away and like you a bunch of us travel to Dublin each day. Also like in Rooskey how can you throw 130 people into a village with a population of 750. The services will be overwhelmed. Look at Carrickmacross which is a large town and the trouble there recently. There`s also a large bunch moved into Ballaghederreen to a closed hotel that to be fair the locals welcomed into their midst. Does`nt sort the issue of groups of adult males hanging around staring at schoolgirls and women in general. There is trouble coming here soon

Not the wau to go.............

Ulysses Gaze · 17-10-2019 2:35pm

14dMoney wrote: »

Typical leafy suburban drivel. Why don't we move 150 asylum seekers to your neighborhood?

True integration would make it a requirement that asylum seekers and refugees are moved into leafy suburbs alongside the Middle Class "Socialists" that call for more to arrive in the name of diversity.

They should then attend the same schools as these Middle Class "Socialists" kids as well. Subsidised by the fees these Middle Class "Socialists" will spend on their own kids to attend private schools.

This will lead to a) proper integration in society and b) give asylum seekers a leg up and actually help them build lives here.

We have a chance here to show the Swedes and Germans how to really integrate refugees properly and show true compassion. Instead of throwing them into ghettos or into rural areas with limited to no supports.

#RefugeesforLeafySuburbs

How can any truly compassionate Middle Class "Socialist" complain about this?

splinter65 · 17-10-2019 2:40pm

elperello wrote: »

Ballinamore is in Leitrim.
Population 914.

What a terrible idea. They’re going to absolutely hate it. Who comes up with this nonsense?

mvl · 17-10-2019 3:00pm

But ... I posted on the other thread (as only found out recently about it) - appears in UK the "Home Office has set a limit that the number of asylum seekers in each local authority should not exceed one per 200 people."
For sure there is a reason for this.

- should we not import what other countries do about it, to allow us managing risks better ???? I would suggest we need quotas here too - and I think ppl should feel that they ca safely get out in the streets for this type of reasons: otherwise, what these politicians seem to be willing to do here doesn't help locals and doesn't help asylum seekers neither.

Mrs OBumble · 17-10-2019 3:13pm

The Inpatient wrote: »

You assume I propose they should all be housed together in one apartment block, if they were to be dispersed across a few locations in a city, it would work better for everyone, including the community, them and their children.

Nope.

Please name the city which has 130 available apartments, in any configuration of locations.

Varik · 17-10-2019 3:15pm

14dMoney wrote: »

Typical leafy suburban drivel. Why don't we move 150 asylum seekers to your neighborhood?

What's the line politicians pull out when they don't what X in their constituency, it's not suited for the needs or some such.

thegetawaycar · 17-10-2019 3:20pm

Should the government not be housing those who have been granted asylum instead of asylum seekers in small villages?

These asylum seekers will have to attend appointments in Dublin or at least in cities I am guessing?

The process of accepting and rejecting asylum seekers needs to be sped up and the amount of appeals and delaying tactics should be removed. A quicker turn around and you could have the asylum seekers closer to transport hubs and at least the ones granted asylum will be longer term and have a reason to integrate more and should, theoretically anyway, be more inclined to participate in the local community and put down roots.

Sir Oxman · 17-10-2019 3:34pm

thegetawaycar wrote: »

Should the government not be housing those who have been granted asylum instead of asylum seekers in small villages?

These asylum seekers will have to attend appointments in Dublin or at least in cities I am guessing?

The process of accepting and rejecting asylum seekers needs to be sped up and the amount of appeals and delaying tactics should be removed. A quicker turn around and you could have the asylum seekers closer to transport hubs and at least the ones granted asylum will be longer term and have a reason to integrate more and should, theoretically anyway, be more inclined to participate in the local community and put down roots.

I don't agree with that at all! (BiB)
There's a list, no problem anyone going on it but prioritising new arrivals above others maybe ten years on it, is a no-no and would be the cause of a lot of trouble.

I'm aware of anecdotes that this happens a lot but that's not verifiable to be a qualitative statistical argument that it does happen a lot.

As usual, there's zero planning put into this by the powers that be in Ireland.
From dumping the equivalent of 15% of a villages population on the villagers (Ballinamore) to what the hell they think the 130 are going to do all day.
No-one is satisfied -> no-one will integrate -> bad outcome.
Proportional allocation and for godssakes, have a little yap with the communities first.

A few hours on a bus or train to Dublin shouldn't be thought of as onerous to update their status/answer questions etc

I'm all for helping genuine asylum seekers from war torn areas (Kurds, Syrians, Yemenis, Libyans etc) but rationed, planned and taking account of our national resources and the resource of towns and villages.

The Inpatient · 17-10-2019 3:50pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Nope.

Please name the city which has 130 available apartments, in any configuration of locations.

Here is a link that explains the numbers of boarded up premises in Dublin,

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/0406/952636-housing-dublin-city-council/

Outside of an RTE news link as some way of supporting what I said, I seen for years and years around Tallaght, Clondalkin, Blanchardstown, plenty of houses boarded up, unfortunately there are empty houses and flats around the cities that have always been there, not used.

Outside of that again, since the bedsit rules changed the way accommodation can be provided, how many flats around rathmines, rathgar etc are currently not in use, I don’t know exactly, but what I do know is there are many premises in these mid way into the city locations that are not fully occupied.

Diceicle · 17-10-2019 4:02pm

From my perspective, I think it's fair and reasonable that people, whether in towns or cities, don't want a load of broke foreigners hanging around the town contributing nothing to the exchequer. Direct Provision residents are not bringing much to the table in terms of new skills it would seem - so we're importing more low-skill labour at a time when we are apparently facing a loss in jobs in many low-to-medium skill sectors in the coming decades.
Besides which, we all know that anyone who is in DP anything over 2 years has already had a determination on their case and are as a result, a failed asylum seeker who is trying to frustrate the system - can't blame THEM exactly, but it doesn't change the fact they don't meet the criteria.
The system itself would appear to be set up to benefit the greasy-till, speculator-types that are attracted to FF and FG.
With integration and anti-social behaviour - we all have the internet now and can read about the problems in majority-black areas like Tyrellstown and Balbriggan with gangs of African youths. We've also read for years about the lack of Muslim integration in towns and cities all over Europe - and people don't want that outcome for their town. Ask any of the remaining ethnic English in Bradford, Luton or Rotherham, are they happy with what's happened to their towns? I'd suspect they are not.
Society needs to be built around a strong national identity.
Despite this, I believe that immigration is generally good for society, but it needs to be managed and controlled and loopholes closed, and abuses of the system curtailed.

Thelonious Monk · 17-10-2019 4:39pm

14dMoney wrote: »

Typical leafy suburban drivel. Why don't we move 150 asylum seekers to your neighborhood?

I hate this. I live in a bit of a sh*thole and tbh I'd rather have these kinds of immigrants than some of my neighbours. The only people I ever see misbehaving in Ireland are white, so I don't really know why anyone would have a problem with refugees or immigrants or whatever living in their area.

17-10-2019 4:40pm

splinter65 wrote: »

What a terrible idea. They’re going to absolutely hate it. Who comes up with this nonsense?

how do you know they will hate it?
The previous direct provision centre in the town housed people who stayed on in the town after their cases were dealt with.
they didnt hate it.

CrabRevolution · 17-10-2019 4:42pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes. For example the Kurdish community in Carrick on Shannon and The Iraqi born Leitrim county hurler.

The oft referenced Zak Moradi lives in Dublin and plays for Thomas Davis in Tallaght. Not sure how that's a benefit to Leitrim's population...

enricoh · 17-10-2019 4:51pm

From todays indo, now 7500 in direct provision. Can these 7500 then apply for family repatriation once they are given leave to remain anyone know? Must be costing serious dough to house them etc after their direct provision stint.
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There are 6,094 persons residing in 38 accommodation centres, with a further 1,453 applicants in the 35 emergency accommodation locations in hotels and guesthouses

Geuze · 17-10-2019 5:11pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

so I don't really know why anyone would have a problem with refugees or immigrants or whatever living in their area.

People generally don't have any issue with genuine refugees.

People do have a problem with bogus AS.

Many of the AS are from safe countries.

They are not fleeing persecution.

Many have come from the UK.

These bogus AS should not get beyond the ports, IMHO, and that would end the issue of large-scale DP.

Geuze · 17-10-2019 5:13pm

thegetawaycar wrote: »

Should the government not be housing those who have been granted asylum instead of asylum seekers in small villages?

Yes, any AS whose claim is accepted should be welcomed.

This will be very few AS, as the majority of claims are bogus.

The Inpatient · 17-10-2019 5:27pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I hate this. I live in a bit of a sh*thole and tbh I'd rather have these kinds of immigrants than some of my neighbours. The only people I ever see misbehaving in Ireland are white, so I don't really know why anyone would have a problem with refugees or immigrants or whatever living in their area.

To say the only people that get involved in anti social or unruly behaviour are either only white, or on the other end, only immigrants, is wrong.

People are people, some are sound, some are assholes, you will see white, black, brown, catholic, protestant, muslim people on each end of the spectrum.

I know a Turkish guy who is sound, he has a Lithuanian & Syrian neighbor, the Syrian guy tried to intimidate the Lithuanian guys wife one day when he was not in and out to work, the Turkish guy i know went to her defense, Guards were called and it ended then.

So,

Syrian guy, aggressive asshole
Lithuanian guy, trying to earn a living out for that day
Turkish guy, helped out Lithuanian woman from aggressive Syrian

But another day in another place, you can switch those nationalities around and probably have the same story.

Out of 130 Asylum seekers that are part of the discussion here, no doubt you will have some scumbags and some sound, and some in the middle, thats just statistical odds and human beings.

Hal3000 · 17-10-2019 5:40pm

If we are stuck with quotas then it’s pretty simple. Most people’s fear is people coming here and committing crimes. Here’s a wild idea ? If they do instant deportation once guilty or after sentence. If you don’t commit crimes and integrate well then there’s no real issue. Crime is at the centre of all fears towards Asylum Seekers - Refugees and Immigrants.

vriesmays · 17-10-2019 6:51pm

Boggles wrote: »

The homeless problem is largely concentrated in urban areas.

There is absolutely nothing stopping any homeless person from applying to Leitrim County Council for assistance.

Why do you think they are not?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/homeless-child-dublin-eat-dinner-on-street-homeless-street-cafe-a9159841.html

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 7:07pm

vriesmays wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/homeless-child-dublin-eat-dinner-on-street-homeless-street-cafe-a9159841.html

The left are two faced and evil they do not care about this.

Any Irish person who hits hards times must deserve it according to them.
Bringing in Christian hating Muslims is all they want.

I can see the mods scanning my above sentence to try and infract me but the statement is true and I have not broken any Written rules I know I have broken the ultimate unwritten rule however.

If I see an Irish person begging outside a supermarket I always bring them out something if I have the money.
I felt sorry for one poor fellow a few weeks ago I got him a big bad of stuff.

I never mentioned this before and no I do not deserve a pat on the back instead I hope more people will put their hands in their pockets and help the Irish homeless as the Government and the left do not give a flying **** about them.:(

Thelonious Monk · 17-10-2019 7:14pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Bringing in Christian hating Muslims is all they want.

Aren't we lucky there aren't many Christians in Ireland for them to hate! I don't know one person who identifies as Christian or Catholic or any of that codswallop.

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 7:33pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Aren't we lucky there aren't many Christians in Ireland for them to hate! I don't know one person who identifies as Christian or Catholic or any of that codswallop.

Why does the bit in bold not surprise me?

Boggles · 17-10-2019 7:34pm

vriesmays wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/homeless-child-dublin-eat-dinner-on-street-homeless-street-cafe-a9159841.html

I fail to see why you quoted my post with that news article?

It's got absolutely nothing to with the content of my post.

It's horrific, but asylum seekers are not the reason "Sam" is in that situation.

Odhinn · 17-10-2019 7:36pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The left are two faced and evil they do not care about this.

Any Irish person who hits hards times must deserve it according to them.
Bringing in Christian hating Muslims is all they want.

I can see the mods scanning my above sentence to try and infract me but the statement is true and I have not broken any Written rules I know I have broken the ultimate unwritten rule however.

If I see an Irish person begging outside a supermarket I always bring them out something if I have the money.
I felt sorry for one poor fellow a few weeks ago I got him a big bad of stuff.

I never mentioned this before and no I do not deserve a pat on the back instead I hope more people will put their hands in their pockets and help the Irish homeless as the Government and the left do not give a flying **** about them.:(

Who wants this? How are they doing it?

Boggles · 17-10-2019 7:43pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

If I see an Irish person begging outside a supermarket I always bring them out something if I have the money.
(

How do you know they are Irish?

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 7:49pm

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know they are Irish?

Outside petrol stations Aldi Lidi and Supervalu and Centra they are always Irish.

The whole any spare change bud with a thick Irish accent kind of gives it away along with the thanks bud in a thick Irish accent.

If you did not go out of your way to avoid putting you hand in your pocket you would know this.

17-10-2019 7:53pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Outside petrol stations Aldi Lidi and Supervalu and Centra they are always Irish.

The whole any spare change bud with a thick Irish accent kind of gives it away along with the thanks bud in a thick Irish accent.

If you did not go out of your way to avoid putting you hand in your pocket you would know this.

And why do you think asylum seekers have anything to do with beggars in Dublin?
Oh BTW, most beggars are not homeless

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 7:57pm

bubblypop wrote: »

And why do you think asylum seekers have anything to do with beggars in Dublin?
Oh BTW, most beggars are not homeless

I never said Asylum seekers had anything to do with beggars in Dublin I said state resources should be spent on the Irish homeless problems first.

How do you know the beggars are not homeless????:rolleyes:

Anyway if they are looking for drink or drug money I always help with food and beverages not cash.

17-10-2019 8:03pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I never said Asylum seekers had anything to do with beggars in Dublin I said state resources should be spent on the Irish homeless problems first.

How do you know the beggars are not homeless????:rolleyes:.

How do i know? Because I talk with them.
And there is so much money in this country that asylum seekers hardly put a dip in it.
The government could have done a lot of things to solve the homeless problem, but they haven't, & they don't look like they will anytime soon.
So why should others suffer because of government ineptitude?

gw80 · 17-10-2019 8:05pm

bubblypop wrote: »

how do you expect people to integrate into a new society if you keep them isolated?

They tend to keep themselves isolated to be fair.

Boggles · 17-10-2019 8:11pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Outside petrol stations Aldi Lidi and Supervalu and Centra they are always Irish.

The whole any spare change bud with a thick Irish accent kind of gives it away along with the thanks bud in a thick Irish accent.

If you did not go out of your way to avoid putting you hand in your pocket you would know this.

I would know that all beggars outside 4 specific supermarkets are always Irish?

Really?

karenalot · 17-10-2019 8:16pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

How do you know the beggars are not homeless????:rolleyes:

Spend a couple of hours having outdoor pints in Dublin and you will see the beggers being dropped off in cars, swapping shifts and roaring about going home to their gaffs.

It’s a lucrative business for some (one guy in Baggot St who been begging for years quite often makes 100-200 a day). He had a flat that he goes home to.

enricoh · 17-10-2019 8:24pm

More rural towns questioning the, eh, benefits of having asylum seekers dumped on their doorsteps.
Methinks the game is up for the asylum spoofer industry - politicians are gonna have to face up to the scam. Behind a paywall if anyone can post the whole thing.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/theres-too-many-of-them-two-rural-towns-voice-concern-over-lack-of-services-ahead-of-arrival-of-asylum-seekers-38604522.html

Del.Monte · 17-10-2019 8:32pm

I have to laugh whenever the DP/refugee topic subject comes up as the town where I live in the Sunny South East has a massive immigrant population and as far as I know we have no DP or other centre.

Of course, many of our migrants are here legitimately from EU members states due the farsightedness of our political masters. 130 migrants - there's probably more than that here on one street alone nicknamed 'Little ......a'. Of course Ireland is different, Cead Mile Failte, and we won't end up with the same problems as many countries in Western Europe where the politicians scratch their heads in amazement as they witness the rise of the extreme right. :rolleyes:

Richard Hillman · 17-10-2019 8:42pm

The place doesn't even have a train station. Where will they congegrate and sell selfie sticks and mini eiffel tower key rings?

Calhoun · 17-10-2019 8:47pm

Report on the RTE news earlier, heard the local butcher is happy about I anyway.

17-10-2019 8:48pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The place doesn't even have a train station. Where will they congegrate and sell selfie sticks and mini eiffel tower key rings?

Well ignoring your smart ass question, the town has bus services, to dromod & Carrick, linking up with train stations. And another to cavan, linking up with a bus station. Also, bus connections to enniskillen & longford, from which there are many other connections.

Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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