Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

Boggles · 17-10-2019 7:59pm

osarusan wrote: »

Can you provide a link to wherever you saw it mentioned that the facebook page about other incidents in the area specified that the same 'make a friend' technique had been used?

Why would the victim specifically mention other incidents in her testimony if it wasn't relevant.

I'll ask again do you think he was hassling other girls given what we know?

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 8:03pm

Boggles wrote: »

Why would the victim specifically mention other incidents in her testimony if it wasn't relevant.

I'll ask again do you think he was hassling other girls given what we know?

Regardless of what side I would take here I hate posts like yours here.
This is a discussion forum not a court no need to cross examine people.

I would hazard a guess he most likely was but that other poster is correct we don't know.

osarusan · 17-10-2019 8:04pm

Boggles wrote: »

Why would the victim specifically mention other incidents in her testimony if it wasn't relevant.

I'll ask again do you think he was hassling other girls given what we know?

That doesn't answer my question at all. Your argument is that it's extremely unlikely that there are two guys in the area with the same 'make a friend technique'.

I'm asking you provide a link to the facebook page, or any other source for that matter, which makes it clear that the other incidents mentioned also involved that technique.

That's what you're claiming, please back the claim up.

Boggles · 17-10-2019 8:07pm

osarusan wrote: »

That doesn't answer my question at all. Your argument is that it's extremely unlikely that there are two guys in the area with the same 'make a friend technique'.

Yes.

I'm asking you do you agree with me or not?

I'll make it easier for you though, do you think this díckhead was the same díckhead that was involved in the other incidents the victim stated in court?

Boggles · 17-10-2019 8:09pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Regardless of what side I would take here I hate posts like yours here.
.

Why would you take anybody's side but your own?

osarusan · 17-10-2019 8:10pm

Boggles wrote: »

Yes.

I'm asking you do you agree with me or not?

I'll make it easier for you though, do you think this dhead was the same dhead that was involved in the other incidents the victim stated in court?

I think it's possible obviously, even likely. But not in any proven as a fact of the case.

Now, as I answered your question, please answer mine and provide a link which references the facebook page, or any other source for that matter, which makes it clear that the other incidents mentioned also involved that technique.

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 8:11pm

osarusan wrote: »

I think it's possible obviously, even likely. But not in any proven as a fact of the case.

Now, as I answered your question, please answer mine and provide a link to the facebook page, or any other source for that matter, which makes it clear that the other incidents mentioned also involved that technique.

A bit of friendly advice don't hold your breath waiting for that answer.;)

Boggles · 17-10-2019 8:13pm

osarusan wrote: »

I think it's possible obviously, even likely. But not in any proven as a fact of the case.

Now, as I answered your question, please answer mine and provide a link which references the facebook page, or any other source for that matter, which makes it clear that the other incidents mentioned also involved that technique.

You do know I was joking when I said "make a friend technique" right?

I say without doubt and absolute certainty this díckhead was the same involved in the other incidents.

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 8:14pm

Boggles wrote: »

You do know I was joking when I said "make a friend technique" right?

Do you mean on the board or have you being trying this with young women on the street?:eek:

Boggles · 17-10-2019 8:16pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Do you mean on the board or have you being trying this with young women on the street?:eek:

I have no idea what you are talking about, please stop asking me questions.

gormdubhgorm · 17-10-2019 9:08pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Can you post a link please?

I believe you I am asking for the link as I am interested and would like to read it.:)

Here is one.
Plus Gazza even managed to thank his dentist - No I am not making that up

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/17/gazza-trial-paul-gascoigne-cleared-sexually-assaulting-woman/

gormdubhgorm · 17-10-2019 9:19pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I have ASD and I do not like physical contact as it makes me uneasy.

Having ASD should not be used as an excuse for bad behaviour.
I have pretty right wing views and most people on the spectrum that I have met online would be pretty left wing if they even cared about politics in the first place.

Going around touching people is pure creepy.

Boggles wrote: »

Why would you take anybody's side but your own?

If you read Cinemaguy45's post above - I believe it is because he feels a small bit conflicted about it as he has ASD (Autism spectrum disorder) himself, but thinks that it was a correct decision by the court.

I suppose Cinemaguy45 is the fella to ask whether he thinks Jamie Griffiths might have Autism or maybe on some form of the spectrum.

CinemaGuy45 · 17-10-2019 9:35pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If you read Cinemaguy45's post above - I believe it is because he feels a small bit conflicted about it as he has ASD (Autism spectrum disorder) himself, but thinks that it was a correct decision by the court.

I suppose Cinemaguy45 is the fella to ask whether he thinks Jamie Griffiths might have Autism or maybe on some form of the spectrum.

Somebody who reads the posts what a refreshing change.

I am guessing he is on the spectrum but I think the court was also correct yes.
This guy comes across as a pervert that is using ASD as an excuse.

Having ASD can lead to misunderstandings but going around touching women is not a misunderstanding.

hetuzozaho · 17-10-2019 11:36pm

Boggles wrote: »

I say without doubt and absolute certainty this díckhead was the same involved in the other incidents.

I agree with your opinion but we can't say it's fact. I think that's what people are saying to you. I may be wrong!

Boggles · 18-10-2019 8:09am

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I agree with your opinion but we can't say it's fact. I think that's what people are saying to you. I may be wrong!

It's a fact if it is true.

I imagine it will be confirmed on the 23rd when he is due to be sentenced.

I don't think he should get a custodial sentence assuming he has no previous, it also depends on the criminal damage conviction, whether he has to go on some sort of watch list or not, I presume the courts will be furnished with a report.

hetuzozaho · 18-10-2019 10:08am

Boggles wrote: »

It's a fact if it is true.

I imagine it will be confirmed on the 23rd when he is due to be sentenced

So you agree that as of now it's not a fact?

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:21am

hetuzozaho wrote: »

So you agree that as of now it's not a fact?

I'd be 100% convinced it is true.

I imagine you do too.

hetuzozaho · 18-10-2019 10:26am

Boggles wrote: »

I'd be 100% convinced it is true.

I imagine you do too.

I do agree with you 100%

You do agree it's not a fact as of yet though?

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:35am

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I do agree with you 100%

You do agree it's not a fact as of yet though?

Of course it is.

The victims testimony and police response and he admitting to a family member he touched a girl on the "butt".

The victim never claimed that in this case nor did he.

The "butt" belonged to someone else.

Therefore it is a fact he touched multiple girls.

hetuzozaho · 18-10-2019 10:41am

Boggles wrote: »

Of course it is.

The victims testimony and police response and he admitting to a family member he touched a girl on the "butt".

The victim never claimed that in this case nor did he.

The "butt" belonged to someone else.

Therefore it is a fact he touched multiple girls.

Ok fair enough. I'll agree to disagree but also agree overall ha!

blueshade · 22-10-2019 11:38am

Paul Gascoigne stuck his tongue in a strangers mouth and made some comment about her being attractive ''for a fat lass''. He got away with it and was found not guilty of sexual assault, his excuse was that he was trying to boost her confidence. Touching an elbow and waist sexual assault, ramming your tongue down a strangers throat, not sexual assault. HMmm....

seamus · 22-10-2019 1:22pm

blueshade wrote: »

Paul Gascoigne stuck his tongue in a strangers mouth and made some comment about her being attractive ''for a fat lass''. He got away with it and was found not guilty of sexual assault, his excuse was that he was trying to boost her confidence. Touching an elbow and waist sexual assault, ramming your tongue down a strangers throat, not sexual assault. HMmm....

Different trials, different circumstances tbh. Comparing apples and oranges.

I don't know the nitty-gritty, but Gascoigne went to trial for something which even a decade ago would have been laughed off by the cops.

The most stark difference between the two cases is that Gascoigne's was a one-off and not premeditated. And he convinced the court that he didn't do it for sexual gratification. The guy in the OP failed to convince a court of that.

Boggles · 23-10-2019 4:09pm

He got a fine, 200 hours community service and has to sign on the sex offenders register for 5 years.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-10-2019 4:35pm

Boggles wrote: »

He got a fine, 200 hours community service and has to sign on the sex offenders register for 5 years.

Hopefully that’s the end off it and he never stands charged with this kind of thing again.

spodoinkle · 24-10-2019 11:23am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7606833/Shy-awkward-student-told-pay-250-schoolgirl-touched-arm-waist.html

Precedent has been set lads, never touch another woman again or you're fcked, my female boss just rubbed my shoulder and she rubbed my arm last week, I wonder what her intentions were???? Think I might call the cops.......

El_Duderino 09 · 24-10-2019 11:27am

spodoinkle wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7606833/Shy-awkward-student-told-pay-250-schoolgirl-touched-arm-waist.html

Precedent has been set lads, never touch another woman again or you're fcked, my female boss just rubbed my shoulder and she rubbed my arm last week, I wonder what her intentions were???? Think I might call the cops.......

If you behave like the lad in the story, then stop touching women is probably the best advice. Particularly if you don’t see anything strange or wrong with what he did, then yes, put a blanket ban on yourself touching women or children or anyone else.

Lollipops23 · 24-10-2019 11:32am

I think there's a lot more to the story than what is being portrayed in the media.

Most women, while uncomfortable with uninvited touching, really wouldn't be arsed pursuing someone through the court over an arm touch.

Mehtinks this lad made a nuisance of himself more than once.

Boggles · 24-10-2019 12:12pm

Griffiths, a first-year criminology student who is now studying at Durham University

Yeah, makes sense.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-10-2019 8:11am

His criminology degree will be a waste of time now that he has a criminal record.

Boggles · 25-10-2019 8:45am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

His criminology degree will be a waste of time now that he has a criminal record.

Not really.

Crime has evolved. It's not just police forces hiring now.

Cyber Security firms for instance are actively recruiting people with qualifications and experience.

Hopefully he just gains enough insight into why he committed the crime and adjusts his behavior going forward.

ohnonotgmail · 25-10-2019 8:51am

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I think there's a lot more to the story than what is being portrayed in the media.

Most women, while uncomfortable with uninvited touching, really wouldn't be arsed pursuing someone through the court over an arm touch.

Mehtinks this lad made a nuisance of himself more than once.

He did. He did it to her twice.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-10-2019 9:34am

Boggles wrote: »

Not really.

Crime has evolved. It's not just police forces hiring now.

Cyber Security firms for instance are actively recruiting people with qualifications and experience.

Hopefully he just gains enough insight into why he committed the crime and adjusts his behavior going forward.

Maybe. But any public service, prisons, police, mental health forensics and lots more, would be ruled out. I’d imagine the private sector expects the public sector to give people a few years experience before they hire them. But there might Be a private company who’s willing to take on a graduate with no experience and a criminal record, to work in criminology.

It will have narrowed his options a lot but who knows.

Boggles · 25-10-2019 9:39am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maybe. But any public service, prisons, police, mental health forensics and lots more, would be ruled out. I’d imagine the private sector expects the public sector to give people a few years experience before they hire them. But there might Be a private company who’s willing to take on a graduate with no experience and a criminal record, to work in criminology.

It will have narrowed his options a lot but who knows.

The cyber security firms are light years ahead of policing when it comes to cyber crime.

They look for graduates ideally in criminology, psychology and tech.

He would be more in demand by the likes of Paddy Power than the met.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-10-2019 10:03am

Boggles wrote: »

The cyber security firms are light years ahead of policing when it comes to cyber crime.

They look for graduates ideally in criminology, psychology and tech.

He would be more in demand by the likes of Paddy Power than the met.

Ok. But do they want someone with a criminal record?

Boggles · 25-10-2019 10:09am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. But do they want someone with a criminal record?

I imagine he won't put it on his CV. :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 25-10-2019 10:14am

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine he won't put it on his CV. :pac:

I imagine it wouldn't matter because a security firm will do a background check. It's called a Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) check, in the UK.

CiarraiAbu2 · 25-10-2019 10:18am

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-medical-student-leaves-court-and-doesnt-want-to-proceed-with-case-court-hears-38627070.html

Is there really a need to name him and put his picture in the paper before the verdict. It really seems very minor thing to be brought to court unless there is more to the story.

Boggles · 25-10-2019 10:20am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I imagine it wouldn't matter because a security firm will do a background check. It's called a Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) check, in the UK.

Same as vetting here but it only applies to certain sectors, health care, working with children, etc.

Even convicted criminals are entitled to privacy rights.

On a side note, cyber security firms would actively recruit criminals.

Not what this guy did obviously.

Boggles · 25-10-2019 10:23am

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-medical-student-leaves-court-and-doesnt-want-to-proceed-with-case-court-hears-38627070.html

Is there really a need to name him and put his picture in the paper before the verdict. It really seems very minor thing to be brought to court unless there is more to the story.

Minor or not you can't grab girls in the street.

Also it's only a story because he fecked off mid trial.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-10-2019 10:24am

Boggles wrote: »

Same as vetting here but it only applies to certain sectors, health care, working with children, etc.

Even convicted criminals are entitled to privacy rights.

On a side note, cyber security firms would actively recruit criminals.

Not what this guy did obviously.

And Garda vetting surely applies to people working in crime prevention...
Right so back to my original point then? He's gone from having all the normal routes to use a criminology degree to private sector, cyber security firms who might not mind him having a criminal record for sexual assault. Sounds like his degree in criminology is most likely a waste of time now.

Boggles · 25-10-2019 10:27am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And Garda vetting surely applies to people working in crime prevention...
Right so back to my original point then? He's gone from having all the normal routes to use a criminology degree to private sector, cyber security firms who might not mind him having a criminal record for sexual assault. Sounds like his degree in criminology is most likely a waste of time now.

Chances are he won't finish it or he will switch anyway.

Like I said if he even gets an insight into his own crime it will not be a complete waste of time.

Sounds like he is from affluence anyway, he will be grand as long he stops stalking young girls.

RandomName2 · 25-10-2019 11:28pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don't think that would be interested at all as the answer would obviously be no.

I imagine you see an insightful analogy in there somewhere.

Just seeing that there is obvious precedent established in this case where you can be guilty of one offense and instead be arbitrarily found guilty of a much more serious offense.

pinkyeye · 26-10-2019 9:29pm

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-medical-student-leaves-court-and-doesnt-want-to-proceed-with-case-court-hears-38627070.html

Is there really a need to name him and put his picture in the paper before the verdict. It really seems very minor thing to be brought to court unless there is more to the story.

This one to me definitely seems an over-reaction if that's all there is too it and it seems that's all there is because she wanted to withdraw the complaint.

If every woman went to court because someone made a comment in the street or tried touching them in the early hours then the courts service would collapse fairly quickly.

Please note though that I think the OP is a totally different situation, it's not the early hours of the morning in Harcourt Street, it's daytime in a place you would expect to be safe.

Outlaw Pete · 27-10-2019 3:57pm

Boggles wrote: »

Minor or not you can't grab girls in the street.

Would ya stop. Context and intention is everything. Life is not a contact-free sport.

When people are drunk, they become more tactile with strangers, both men and women.

It's an absurdity to suggest that this should become a prosecutable offense.

Boggles · 27-10-2019 4:40pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Would ya stop. Context and intention is everything. Life is not a contact-free sport.

I never claimed it was.

What exactly was it about my very simple point that confused you?

Reviews and Books Galore · 29-10-2019 7:58pm

I wonder what punishment should the girl who touched Nick Jonas get?

James Brown · 29-10-2019 7:59pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I wonder what punishment should the girl who touched Nick Jonas get?

Likely already got Cooties.

boardise · 29-10-2019 8:15pm

gwalk wrote: »

the exageration of how he was going to touch her breast is a bit far fetched, as for saying it ruined her chaces for Oxford hahaha

honestly, this generation is ruined

This guy apparently knew his ABC ...

Arm..............Breast .............C........

....-heek

Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

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