Efficiency gained from employing labour.

RightTurnClyde · 07-10-2015 12:41pm

Calved 160 here last spring, by and large on my own. Spring was busy, but had a guy come in for 2hrs x 3 days a week. His job was bedding/cleaning out calving & calf sheds. And cleaning and liming cubicles. Nothing else.
The same guy has the bulling heifers on contract and does every 2nd weekend from May on. The weekend he's on he does Thursday evening to Sunday evening, 7 milkings. If there's a backlog of jobs I use the Thur& Fri to catch up.(usually up to the end of June this is the case). Otherwise I've the 3&1/2 days off. (Usually from July on). Person from FRs comes in once every fortnight to pressure wash from April to July and occasionally after that. I do my own slurry spreading and fert all year round. Spring is very busy up to 1st cut, but after that I couldn't justify a full time person around the place.
Labour is costing me just over €10k. I suppose I could justify a full time labour unit, but for the moment any money saved on labour is going into improving facilities. ( last year made calving shed alot simpler, this year hope to double the size of the calf shed and put in auto calf feeder, a lot of work already done on paddocks and Parlour, just maintained there.).
Relief guy very good, is well paid and is at the other end of the phone if something goes wrong. I'm trying to set up the place that if I'm not around who ever comes in can easily look after the place. Parlour is well automated, good drafting facilities, all fencing right, roadway to every paddock in the place, calf rearing will be well setup next year all going well.
Hoping to up the cow numbers 15% next spring without any major increase in labour costs. If I get to 200 the plan is to have 2 people trained to milk and know the system , but with only one ever on at a time. And me around the yard
At this stage for me 25 or 30k is a lot to have going out on wages. The system I'm thinking is ~€10-12k on wages. The saved ~€20k/yr for the next couple of years would do an awful lot for the setup here. It's not going to cost a big amount to get the place finished off the way I want it at this stage. Try to keep things simple and low cost, But a few quid on facilities and gear isn't dead money. At a certain point there's a good Roi on it.

Milked out · 07-10-2015 1:24pm

Thanks for all the replies, plenty food for thought and valid points raised. Yes the fact I'm in winter milk means more work year round and there is no family labour. Some say it can spread the workload of calving etc but at the same time your always going. slowly getting there with regard facilities parlour improved this year roadway next on the agenda with a silage slab and conversion of old slab to accommodation in future plans. Have autumn calving squeezed to 6 weeks but have lost ground in spring alright. Possibly thinking of switching to all spring in 2 years once all ground accessible by roadways and will see how things are settling. Target is 140 cows calved. Any more than that and would need more ground for heifers and silage.
Slurry contracted out, don't have a tanker use neighbours odd time if stuck. Haven't been to factory or mart in years but spread our own fert alright. Lack of feed space in winter means silage fed out twice a day or else 3 times every 2 days but solving that would be a large investment again which is further down the tracks. Will most likely start out part time with a lad or give frs a shout to see what they offer

It's the catch 22 if the investments are done and paid for to simplify things one may afford a fulltime unit but while doing those things which is when help is really needed the cash may not be there.
Anyone I know this size with labour generally has a partner working etc whereas here its just the farm earning.
I know more can be got out of the place just the question of can it be done on my own. Part ime worker may be best start in order to train myself as much as anything else.

visatorro · 07-10-2015 1:57pm

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Yes there is something seriously wrong, but that unfortunately is the way the game is going.
As someone said to me recently, 100 is the new "60 cows" and 200 is the new "100 cows", and I think it's absolutely true.

not disagreeing with your statement but how further on are you if you hire someone. I think people are generally thinking 130/140 cows is what one man can cope with, that's depending on contractors and possibly a hand in spring and top notch facilities so why should I milk an extra fifty cows to pay for someone to help me do what I was doing anyway. if you get my drift. fair enough if you go over the 200 cow mark, but I don't see the point in a one man system going over this mark. different if your in a partnership or whatever. plenty of friends of mine are/were self employed during the boom, lads often say they were better off hoping in the van and only worrying about themselves. that the worst thing they did was hire a few lads. I hope my point is coming across.

Deepsouthwest · 07-10-2015 2:33pm

visatorro wrote: »

not disagreeing with your statement but how further on are you if you hire someone. I think people are generally thinking 130/140 cows is what one man can cope with, that's depending on contractors and possibly a hand in spring and top notch facilities so why should I milk an extra fifty cows to pay for someone to help me do what I was doing anyway. if you get my drift. fair enough if you go over the 200 cow mark, but I don't see the point in a one man system going over this mark. different if your in a partnership or whatever. plenty of friends of mine are/were self employed during the boom, lads often say they were better off hoping in the van and only worrying about themselves. that the worst thing they did was hire a few lads. I hope my point is coming across.

Fair point, but I think a guy at 130 cows with no help is an absolute slave to his job. What happens if this guy has an accident in the morning and can't work, who's going to step in then, and how could they possibly know where to start, to me this is a v scary scenario.
My plan is to milk enough cows to employ a full time or near full time person so I can have more of a life for myself. Someone who'll know my total layout and system as well as I know it myself. I doubt if I'll make anymore money but I'll hope to work to some normal routine and have more family time which is more important than any job.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-10-2015 2:56pm

visatorro wrote: »

not disagreeing with your statement but how further on are you if you hire someone. I think people are generally thinking 130/140 cows is what one man can cope with, that's depending on contractors and possibly a hand in spring and top notch facilities so why should I milk an extra fifty cows to pay for someone to help me do what I was doing anyway. if you get my drift. fair enough if you go over the 200 cow mark, but I don't see the point in a one man system going over this mark. different if your in a partnership or whatever. plenty of friends of mine are/were self employed during the boom, lads often say they were better off hoping in the van and only worrying about themselves. that the worst thing they did was hire a few lads. I hope my point is coming across.

Two brothers near me are farming in a partnership, both drawing good wages and both great farmers. The best thing about what they are doing is that they have a full day off each weekend, one working saturday, one sunday and vice-versa each weekend after spring. Only minimum work done each weekend.

I imagine with another labour unit on farm, Milked out would be in a position to do similar with the added bonus of having the ability to take holidays when the second worker is part of the system rather than someone thrown in with, usually, a minimum breaking in period.

einn32 · 08-10-2015 2:46pm

I think you are better off investing in facilities/ technology and farm services than a full time labour unit to increase efficiency at that size. One man should be able to do that number with labour when required I think. You can contract out certain jobs when the squeeze is on.

Plus from reading on here and from my limited experience it can be hard to find not only good workers but people who are interested in furthering the business. This works both ways as it can be difficult to find farms to work on where you are respected as a person!

mahoney_j · 08-10-2015 4:26pm

einn32 wrote: »

I think you are better off investing in facilities/ technology and farm services than a full time labour unit to increase efficiency at that size. One man should be able to do that number with labour when required I think. You can contract out certain jobs when the squeeze is on.

Plus from reading on here and from my limited experience it can be hard to find not only good workers but people who are interested in furthering the business. This works both ways as it can be difficult to find farms to work on where you are respected as a person!

Certainly what I'm doing here as when I reach 110 cows I certainly won't be able to afford a labour unit ,just some relief milking and a guy 1/2 days during busy spring .investement in grazing structure and soil a given but aiming to have most jobs around yard a 1 man show ,decent parlour ,sheds ,yard layout and do as little machinery work as possible

Panch18 · 08-10-2015 4:36pm

Axing the winter milk and only having a part time guy for a bit at the spring is a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring a man full time and you get a 2 month rest during the winter!!

Greengrass1 · 08-10-2015 4:55pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Axing the winter milk and only having a part time guy for a bit at the spring is a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring a man full time and you get a 2 month rest during the winter!!

I think your right. I said to boss man yesterday will we just serve the dozen maidens this winter and push all the ciws to spring.
From figures I'm working we'll feed less meal same mikk if not more and have a much easier life.
work hard for 6 mths instead of 9.
Felt guilty last mth when I was looking around for something to do

Milked out · 08-10-2015 5:25pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I think your right. I said to boss man yesterday will we just serve the dozen maidens this winter and push all the ciws to spring.
From figures I'm working we'll feed less meal same mikk if not more and have a much easier life.
work hard for 6 mths instead of 9.
Felt guilty last mth when I was looking around for something to do

The main reason I'm considering switching to spring is tge land purchased this year is dry bar 10 acres across a road bounding our wet ground, would allow us to have cows out earlier or/ and later. If this wasn't there I would be staying in winter as the original block was more or less stocked fully with a large proportion of winter feed bought in. Large area of ground if weather was bad in spring and autumn wold be no good till after march and early oct. pushing it as it is as a lot of lads would call the grazing we do there in a wet year poaching. All of original block is accessible by roadways. Going winter allowed us to increase output significantly considering land type. If all the farm was dry would have gone all spring a while back id say.

mahoney_j · 08-10-2015 6:07pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I think your right. I said to boss man yesterday will we just serve the dozen maidens this winter and push all the ciws to spring.
From figures I'm working we'll feed less meal same mikk if not more and have a much easier life.
work hard for 6 mths instead of 9.
Felt guilty last mth when I was looking around for something to do

I never feel guilty at times like that ,time to recharge the batteries ,go for a heap of pints and take a holiday .gone out of winter milk 8!years now and never looked back .first Xmas was great about an hours work to daily shoving in silage and bedding cubicles .ive off ten thought about going back at it as I'm a bit older now but since I became a dad there's no way I'd do it .i will milk up to Dec 20'and aim to start calving 25 Jan and turn cows out from Feb 1 .cslve as many as possible in first 3 weeks and once mid March comes things start to settle down .calving down cows again in October /November and milking through is just pure hardship now ,for me anyway

Greengrass1 · 08-10-2015 6:12pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

I never feel guilty at times like that ,time to recharge the batteries ,go for a heap of pints and take a holiday .gone out of winter milk 8!years now and never looked back .first Xmas was great about an hours work to daily shoving in silage and bedding cubicles .ive off ten thought about going back at it as I'm a bit older now but since I became a dad there's no way I'd do it .i will milk up to Dec 20'and aim to start calving 25 Jan and turn cows out from Feb 1 .cslve as many as possible in first 3 weeks and once mid March comes things start to settle down .calving down cows again in October /November and milking through is just pure hardship now ,for me anyway

I feel the very same way as you. We're not getting any benefit from it imo.
Dad was doing it for very same reason as milked out- to increase output. But that was when we had 40 ac now we have a mp 3x that.
Spring is different start of a new yr etc autumn your facing into the winter and more work

Dawggone · 08-10-2015 6:44pm

Jeez lads but ye'er a lazy bunch! Ifa on news now saying wmilk not paying...and yeez making 'rocket fuel' wraps for nothing.

:)

Timmaay · 08-10-2015 7:13pm

Dawggone wrote: »

Jeez lads but ye'er a lazy bunch! Ifa on news now saying wmilk not paying...and yeez making 'rocket fuel' wraps for nothing. :)

The problem with winter milk is there will be too many lads with spread out spring calving, willing to milk on through the winter to keep cash flow ticking over (never mind the fact that they are paying themselves nothing, sure why would ya put a value on yourown time?). The high dmd rocket wraps are more so a tool during the shoulders/summer drought (when it wouldn't make sense to have a pit face open for months on end). But yes, when it comes to anything to do with milking cows, I'm a lazy lazy f"uker!

Timmaay · 08-10-2015 7:19pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I feel the very same way as you. We're not getting any benefit from it imo.
Dad was doing it for very same reason as milked out- to increase output. But that was when we had 40 ac now we have a mp 3x that.
Spring is different start of a new yr etc autumn your facing into the winter and more work

Found the Autumn calving surprisingly easy this year ha, maybe its the good weather or something ha, but I think the fact that we are properly block calving now, that's made a massive difference to just the mental strain of winter milking ha. We'll definitely have to spend at least another year, probably 2 at winter milk, long than I'd wanted to a year or so ago, but I'm less concerned about that now. Mind you also, autumn calving back to only 10% of the herd.

Dawggone · 08-10-2015 7:21pm

Timmaay wrote: »

But yes, when it comes to anything to do with milking cows, I'm a lazy lazy f"uker!

That makes two of us!
Possibly the most brain dead job there is.
I would actually rather be picking stones/wild oats/beet bolters. At least when you pick a stone in the morning you don't have to pick it again in the evening.

Timmaay · 08-10-2015 8:25pm

Dawggone wrote: »

That makes two of us!
Possibly the most brain dead job there is.
I would actually rather be picking stones/wild oats/beet bolters. At least when you pick a stone in the morning you don't have to pick it again in the evening.

Brings us nicely back to the thread topic ha. What I'd give serious consideration to in the future would be having a milker in for say 5/6 days a week, and me being just the relief milker!! Once the farm here is setup (and it's certainly getting there), from June until calving in Feb the daily routine shouldn't be much more than milk, change paddocks/move afew pigtails, and throw in some feed. Would definitely be scope for me to do work outside of farming again. 100+ cows as my part time income wouldn't be too shabby ha? That's all definitely playing on my mind on how I proceed forward here. As much as I need a new challenge, I'm beyond totally dogging myself again though ha.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-10-2015 8:40pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Brings us nicely back to the thread topic ha. What I'd give serious consideration to in the future would be having a milker in for say 5/6 days a week, and me being just the relief milker!! Once the farm here is setup (and it's certainly getting there), from June until calving in Feb the daily routine shouldn't be much more than milk, change paddocks/move afew pigtails, and throw in some feed. Would definitely be scope for me to do work outside of farming again. 100+ cows as my part time income wouldn't be too shabby ha? That's all definitely playing on my mind on how I proceed forward here. As much as I need a new challenge, I'm beyond totally dogging myself again though ha.

You could do a bit of relief milking....:pac:

whelan2 · 08-10-2015 8:55pm

Dawggone wrote: »

That makes two of us!
Possibly the most brain dead job there is.
I would actually rather be picking stones/wild oats/beet bolters. At least when you pick a stone in the morning you don't have to pick it again in the evening.

I must be in the minority so, I like milking . Good to see what the cows are giving and you can spot any problems

visatorro · 08-10-2015 9:11pm

dare I say it but would robots be an answer to your problems. if you took milkin away from daily routine you'd have loads of time!!! sure if the salesman says they work,,,, they wouldn't lie

Dawggone · 08-10-2015 9:18pm

whelan2 wrote: »

I must be in the minority so, I like milking . Good to see what the cows are giving and you can spot any problems

+1. That's the main reason that I try to milk as often as I can. Spotting problems. If I don't milk I'll be sure to stand at the gap or whatever as they file past.

Milked out · 08-10-2015 9:20pm

visatorro wrote: »

dare I say it but would robots be an answer to your problems. if you took milkin away from daily routine you'd have loads of time!!! sure if the salesman says they work,,,, they wouldn't lie

Two roads to cross to access all ground, which cows will be grazing as priority hopefully. The cost is prohibitive as well. Also when grazing heavy ground there is a lot of back fencing and cows on and off for 3 hours which I am.skeptical grass can be used as well as the salesmen claim in those conditions by cows goin in and out to a robot.. maybe in the future could be looked at again for labour saving but not at this time I'd say.

simx · 08-10-2015 9:31pm

my advice coming from the employees side is treat them with respect and not a dog like a lot of lads do, be some bit understanding and flexable to a degree, worked for a few lads up and down, most were fine but worked for one lad and he was a prick if i ever seen, no matter how hard or well done something was done he was never happy, was a very particular man in fairness and a good farmer but he was the type of lad that was always watching ya to make sure ya were at something, like i went to vets for cards one day and got delayed for maybe 5/10 mins with roadworks, he rang when i was nearly back asking where i was and i should be back, should only take x length of time etc. etc., when i told him about roadworks he mumbled and hung up, was also to serious, no bit of a laugh at dinnertime or anything to mellow the mood, was the only lad i worked for that i told to shove a job and was glad i did now

Milked out · 08-10-2015 10:37pm

simx wrote: »

my advice coming from the employees side is treat them with respect and not a dog like a lot of lads do, be some bit understanding and flexable to a degree, worked for a few lads up and down, most were fine but worked for one lad and he was a prick if i ever seen, no matter how hard or well done something was done he was never happy, was a very particular man in fairness and a good farmer but he was the type of lad that was always watching ya to make sure ya were at something, like i went to vets for cards one day and got delayed for maybe 5/10 mins with roadworks, he rang when i was nearly back asking where i was and i should be back, should only take x length of time etc. etc., when i told him about roadworks he mumbled and hung up, was also to serious, no bit of a laugh at dinnertime or anything to mellow the mood, was the only lad i worked for that i told to shove a job and was glad i did now

Agreed if you want to get the most out of someone it's by keeping them motivated and treating with respect. With salary I would be fairly limited in what I could offer in terms of an increasing payscale, was thinking maybe a bonus could be worked if milk price passed a certain level at the same time those are the years when work may have to be carried out or put a away a bit in order to cover all costs in low price years so twud have to be well thought out alright.

kowtow · 08-10-2015 11:28pm

Dawggone wrote:

At least when you pick a stone in the morning you don't have to pick it again in the evening.

You don't?

Feckin sheltered inland farms.

visatorro · 09-10-2015 7:09am

what does it mean tax wise to employ someone full time?
do pensions come into an arrangement?
do you sign a contract?
what about health insurance or insurance for hired labour around yard not just public liability ?

whelan2 · 09-10-2015 8:52am

simx wrote: »

my advice coming from the employees side is treat them with respect and not a dog like a lot of lads do, be some bit understanding and flexable to a degree, worked for a few lads up and down, most were fine but worked for one lad and he was a prick if i ever seen, no matter how hard or well done something was done he was never happy, was a very particular man in fairness and a good farmer but he was the type of lad that was always watching ya to make sure ya were at something, like i went to vets for cards one day and got delayed for maybe 5/10 mins with roadworks, he rang when i was nearly back asking where i was and i should be back, should only take x length of time etc. etc., when i told him about roadworks he mumbled and hung up, was also to serious, no bit of a laugh at dinnertime or anything to mellow the mood, was the only lad i worked for that i told to shove a job and was glad i did now

it works both ways had a lad here working for me that was nothing only a bully, was some relief the day I let him go, dreaded going out to my own yard.

davidk1394 · 09-10-2015 1:03pm

Im still in college myself and we're farming at home but during weekends im working with a dairy farmer 15mins away for the last 2 years. Got to know him through doing the farm placement there. Get on perfect he trusts me enough to do any job and we get on well. I have no problem working long hours as long as theres a "thanks" or some bit of gratitude after a long day. I dont mind getting a bolocking if i made a mistake but just being ignorant on a full time basis is not on. I worked with a few different farmers drystock tillage and dairy lads. Only for the fella im working with now any of the other dairy lads i worked for were dog ignorant. Theres a lot to be said for a cup of tea in the morning and a bitta gratitude. Thats just my perspective after my experiences working with different people

farming93 · 09-10-2015 10:35pm

I'm genuinely not trying to cause an argument here or sound cocky but I've done two years in college and worked on quiet a few big farms over the last two years. I had two lads offering me full time Jobs recently, I chose the better paying job. One farmer offered me €360 net but I'd have drive up and down twice a day some days and do every second weekend. First of all driving up and down twice a day just to do a few hours would probably be€ 30 knocked straight off my wage on extra travelling alone. I know this farmer could afford to pay me extra money but would be a bit tight. Now once again I don't want to sound cocky but I'm a decent enough worker and I'm well skilled at most aspects of farming and this farmer knows it as he really doesn't want me to leave..but I have bills and have to think of myself with circumstances. Anyways my good mates from school left at the same time as me work 9 to 5 and make nearly€ 600 a week net. Now they like their work and I like mine but for them to be making 270 a week more than me after four years how do some farmers expect there to be lads willing to work for them??

tomwaterford · 09-10-2015 11:06pm

farming93 wrote: »

I'm genuinely not trying to cause an argument here or sound cocky but I've done two years in college and worked on quiet a few big farms over the last two years. I had two lads offering me full time Jobs recently, I chose the better paying job. One farmer offered me €360 net but I'd have drive up and down twice a day some days and do every second weekend. First of all driving up and down twice a day just to do a few hours would probably be€ 30 knocked straight off my wage on extra travelling alone. I know this farmer could afford to pay me extra money but would be a bit tight. Now once again I don't want to sound cocky but I'm a decent enough worker and I'm well skilled at most aspects of farming and this farmer knows it as he really doesn't want me to leave..but I have bills and have to think of myself with circumstances. Anyways my good mates from school left at the same time as me work 9 to 5 and make nearly€ 600 a week net. Now they like their work and I like mine but for them to be making 270 a week more than me after four years how do some farmers expect there to be lads willing to work for them??

WTF do your mates work at...I'm qualified with several years qualified experience and I don't make 600 gross no mind net
Are they lying to you perhaps??

Though I won't bring this tread (interesting aswell btw) down to a complete brawl by saying what my father/uncles advised me about working for farmers when I leaving school (I come from a loooong line of farm labourers)

C0N0R · 10-10-2015 8:57am

tomwaterford wrote: »

WTF do your mates work at...I'm qualified with several years qualified experience and I don't make 600 gross no mind net
Are they lying to you perhaps??

Though I won't bring this tread (interesting aswell btw) down to a complete brawl by saying what my father/uncles advised me about working for farmers when I leaving school (I come from a loooong line of farm labourers)

Is the average industrial wage not over 30k?

Boaty · 10-10-2015 11:04am

That's about 50k a year gross, which is realistic, after a 4 year university degree and 2 years working your about 35-40

tomwaterford · 10-10-2015 3:56pm

C0N0R wrote: »

Is the average industrial wage not over 30k?

I get nowhere near that

How long deos a degree take?

C0N0R · 10-10-2015 4:43pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

I get nowhere near that

How long deos a degree take?

As I don't know your job I can't make any comments! Degree on average four years. I dropped out after two years of uni into an average industrial wage job!

tomwaterford · 10-10-2015 4:58pm

C0N0R wrote: »

As I don't know your job I can't make any comments! Degree on average four years. I dropped out after two years of uni into an average industrial wage job!

Diesel mechanic...I'm stupidly badly paid

Fair tempted to go on a whv sometime working as it though.....maybe back to collage then :pac:

What do you work at...if you don't mind me asking....I'd be nearly better off working in lidl at this stage!
It's just aswell I love me job though...(guess that's worth something!)

C0N0R · 10-10-2015 5:03pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

Diesel mechanic...I'm stupidly badly paid

Fair tempted to go on a whv sometime working as it though.....maybe back to collage then :pac:

What do you work at...if you don't mind me asking....I'd be nearly better off working in lidl at this stage!
It's just aswell I love me job though...(guess that's worth something!)

Yea you guys are fairly badly paid I know that. Go to lidl and work from home in the evenings! I left college to go into a sales job. No longer there after being half way round the world.

Boaty · 10-10-2015 5:15pm

Without a degree you don't stray too far from minimum wage, experience without a degree only gets you so far it seams.

cute geoge · 10-10-2015 5:19pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

Diesel mechanic...I'm stupidly badly paid

Fair tempted to go on a whv sometime working as it though.....maybe back to collage then :pac:

What do you work at...if you don't mind me asking....I'd be nearly better off working in lidl at this stage!
It's just aswell I love me job though...(guess that's worth something!)

stick with it and get plenty experience in different models.
Then when you have all that experience ,it is easy to drop your cv into better paying garages or even strike out on your own

tomwaterford · 10-10-2015 5:20pm

C0N0R wrote: »

Yea you guys are fairly badly paid I know that. Go to lidl and work from home in the evenings! I left college to go into a sales job. No longer there after being half way round the world.

Not the worst idea!!
Though maybe a few more years experience first (either before/after travelling-really wanna see oz/NZ)

tomwaterford · 10-10-2015 5:23pm

cute geoge wrote: »

stick with it and get plenty experience in different models.
Then when you have all that experience ,it is easy to drop your cv into better paying garages or even strike out on your own

This is the one good thing about where I work...it's great (unreal good) experience I actually left a slightly better paying job (admittedly over other issues aswell) for a job there....though I'm pushing on for planning a whv

Have taught of striking out at times a few lads I know have

Kevhog1988 · 10-10-2015 6:40pm

Bullocks wrote: »

I bet . Its woegus carry on but my point is about the references , alot of young lads are doing this so you would want a reference on headed paper with a land line number you can ring and be sure it is a genuine previous employer you're talking to

I sacked my own first cousin on Tuesday (Bosses Son). Hes the most useless ****er i ever met!! Serious silver spoon job and tries to dictate what hours or jobs he goes on. On Thursday i got a call from some recruitment agency that they were going offering him a job as a foreman if his reference checked out. I ended up telling them he was a great lad purely for the fact that i wouldnt hav to deal with him anymore. The snapchat/texting thing seems to be an effect of the celtic tiger is it?. I never used my phone in work when in a labouring job. Also im after finding loads of young lads need permission off there girlfriend before agreeing to work away. As soon as i hear that **** i just give them the p45.

whelan2 · 10-10-2015 6:46pm

Are you allowed to give a bad reference?

Kevhog1988 · 10-10-2015 6:49pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Are you allowed to give a bad reference?

I would of. We nearly came to blows early in the week like. Even his father is delighted hes gone as he was upsetting all our gangs due tot he fact he wasnt interested. Stupid really as he could be taking over the place if he applied himself.

Dawggone · 10-10-2015 7:03pm

theemigrant wrote: »

I sacked my own first cousin on Tuesday (Bosses Son). Hes the most useless ****er i ever met!! Serious silver spoon job and tries to dictate what hours or jobs he goes on. On Thursday i got a call from some recruitment agency that they were going offering him a job as a foreman if his reference checked out. I ended up telling them he was a great lad purely for the fact that i wouldnt hav to deal with him anymore. The snapchat/texting thing seems to be an effect of the celtic tiger is it?. I never used my phone in work when in a labouring job. Also im after finding loads of young lads need permission off there girlfriend before agreeing to work away. As soon as i hear that **** i just give them the p45.

+1. Thanks for an honest post. When there's work to be done, just get on and do it. Nothing worse than a lazy bollix destroying the morale of a team.

whelan2 · 10-10-2015 7:21pm

theemigrant wrote: »

I would of. We nearly came to blows early in the week like. Even his father is delighted hes gone as he was upsetting all our gangs due tot he fact he wasnt interested. Stupid really as he could be taking over the place if he applied himself.

What age is he ?

jaymla627 · 10-10-2015 7:27pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

This is the one good thing about where I work...it's great (unreal good) experience I actually left a slightly better paying job (admittedly over other issues aswell) for a job there....though I'm pushing on for planning a whv

Have taught of striking out at times a few lads I know have

Would be inclined to stay put where you are, learn/avail of as many courses training days as you can and basically make yourself irreplaceable to the garage, good mechanics are getting rare and you'll easily be able to clear 750-800 net once you get yourself up to a good level....
Uncle runs a large tractor dealership and the top lads their are clearing this wage plus van/diseal he would be a tight man with wages too but he has to pay these boys well our they can walk into a new job in the morning

Kevhog1988 · 10-10-2015 7:45pm

whelan2 wrote: »

What age is he ?

22 with the maturity of a 16yo. There is another guy the same age who is coming along in Leaps & Bounds when away from that arsehole

whelan2 · 10-10-2015 7:49pm

theemigrant wrote: »

22 with the maturity of a 16yo. There is another guy the same age who is coming along in Leaps & Bounds when away from that arsehole

Will be interesting to see how he gets on in another job

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-10-2015 8:03pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Will be interesting to see how he gets on in another job

Could be the making of him, whether it works out for him there or doesn't.

Kevhog1988 · 10-10-2015 8:06pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Will be interesting to see how he gets on in another job

He has done this 3/4 times before. Never lasted more than a fortnight.

Efficiency gained from employing labour.

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