Biden/Harris Presidency Discussion Thread

BobHopeless · 22-09-2021 7:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922164#Comment_117922164

Calais has nothing to do with Biden/Harris as per the thread title. Stop trying to deflect the awful conditions these people face being whipped and treated like slaves under a Biden/Harris leadership.

AbusesToilets · 22-09-2021 8:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117921071#Comment_117921071

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-09-15/gen-milley-defends-calls-to-chinese-in-effort-to-avoid-conflict

“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told him in the first call, according to the book. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.”

“If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise,” Milley reportedly said.

That is 100% not acceptable.

Cody montana · 22-09-2021 8:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922329#Comment_117922329

“Video of the mounted border patrol agents in Del Rio suggests they were holding their reins, not whips.”

Why do you keep repeating a lie?

Brian? · 22-09-2021 8:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922404#Comment_117922404

If it stops China launching ICBMs in response?

I stand corrected on what he said.

AbusesToilets · 22-09-2021 8:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922465#Comment_117922465

If it's to the point that an attack is happening, missiles are probably already in the air.

Brian? · 22-09-2021 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922505#Comment_117922505

If you look at the wording, he says any “kinetic operations”. This could mean sailing a carrier group into disputed waters or flying around Taiwan.

If Willey gave a call that China should sit back, I don’t see a problem.

Rjd2 · 22-09-2021 10:23pm

The mainstream media in America is so bad its unreal, utterly reliant on outrage clicks. The story above with the whips a great example, its irrelevant that its been corrected those who seen the story initially simply are not going to see the corrections.

Their was some moronic rolling stone ivermectin piece the other week which turned out to be bullshit which was based on one source and obviously their was a Joe Biden speech thing a while ago which went viral on their side which was edited out of context.

In a perfect world their would be a crackdown on these accounts who are spreading these stories to their legion of supporters, the Whip's story and the rolling stone crap were very easy to prove wrong but obviously got to get those clicks.

The problem is it comes from all sides and I don't think twitter, facebook have any interest in getting involved to try to tackle it.

Manic Moran · 23-09-2021 9:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922404#Comment_117922404

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/15/claims-that-milley-made-secret-calls-to-chinese-leaders-exaggerated-sources-say-511918

There seems to be some dispute as to whether or not that actually was said.

Claims in an upcoming book that a frantic Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley made secret calls to his Chinese counterpart are greatly exaggerated, according to two people familiar with the discussions.

[...]

“General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise,” Milley is reported to have said.

A defense official familiar with the calls said that description is “grossly mischaracterized.”

[...]

The people also said that Milley did not go rogue in placing the call, as the book suggests. In fact, Milley asked permission from acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller before making the call, said one former senior defense official, who was in the room for the meeting. Milley also briefed the secretary’s office after the call, the former official said.

BobHopeless · 23-09-2021 9:40pm

Biden polling 31% in Iowa now. He's sinking faster than even i expected. The dems have a huge decision to make now as it's obvious this isn't sustainable

Danzy · 23-09-2021 9:55pm

Biden can turn it around but ...

That would be quite an achievement. There is an aura of chaos and incompetence coming from the White House at the moment.

BobHopeless · 23-09-2021 9:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930940#Comment_117930940

The scenes at the end of the press conference yesterday with Boris where witness to that. Biden's handlers screaming and shouting in a panic to get the press out before anyone could ask Joe a question.

TomOnBoard · 23-09-2021 10:13pm

There's no doubt it's been an appalling month in Biden's young Presidency. He's bled support due to a flurry of punches ranging from the Afghanistan withdrawal to rising Covid, Congressional stalemate, Border migration among others. In particular, Gallup is seeing a massive drop in support among Independents, which must surely worry Democrats on the way into 2022 election season.

Schumer really needs to **** or get off the pot on a range of matters currently locked in Senate intransigence, and the unwillingness of Centrists in the Dem caucus to move on the filibuster has to be dealt with. The range of landmines left behind by the Trump Administration ought to have been defused by now, but seem to still catch the Biden Admin off guard almost daily.

Altogether, as an early school report card might say "Able Student.. Can do Much Better!"

Rjd2 · 23-09-2021 10:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930940#Comment_117930940

Its very early but right now its not a good time for Biden. If the midterms were next week, it would be very ugly for the Dems.

The good news for him is its still early and he can turn it around and while the GOP are happy at the moment, Trump is still about and he is an absolute hinderance to the party. The vast majority of his messages are slagging the party mainly Mitch who whether you like it or not has done quite a lot for the conservative moment compared to DT and some of the people who may come through primaries could be repugnant to the masses. Mandel in Ohio, Walker in Georgia for example.

Danzy · 23-09-2021 10:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931036#Comment_117931036

The GOP need a 2 term candidate. Trump is old news and needs to step aside.

He would be a lame duck President from a new term. Same as Biden may be now. Everyone, especially his own party view him as one and done. So can he get his legacy through the system.

Not looking good.

As for support, only Bill really turned it around and up, decline from here on in or static is the usual trend over last

The Democrats are also putting at risk the 1 trill dollars infrastructure bill, which America badly needs to bring it's often woeful shocking national infrastructure in to a status of a somewhat modern country.

Half the progressive caucus might vote it down, while 5 Republicans are backing it. Usual nonsense of wanting every thing now and every bizarre proposal to be thrown in for their vote.

The bigger 3.5 trillion Bill might be sunk as well if first part goes.

Rjd2 · 24-09-2021 12:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931127#Comment_117931127

Trump is going to be the 2024 candidate unless he drops dead and he actually seems to be in better shape these days than he was when president.

Its madness to think a man utterly obsessed with been the biggest story without a lot of his media outlets is going to look at the GOP convention and sit at home.

Nobody can beat him and tbh I don't think any of them want the drama that a beatdown from Trump would be.

Why should RDS at 44 waste his time in 2024 when instead he can run in 2028 still young and without the Trump issue.

Oh Trump you seen the problem with him the other week with Larry Elder. No conservative was winning that election, but picking a black boomer Trump was astonishingly dire by the California GOP. A moderate still loses easily but not by that margin.

However yeah Biden needs a win and I think at times some of the more liberal members of the party forget how small of a minority they have.

A 21 point swing in a poll in 2 months is shambolic.

Brian? · 24-09-2021 9:15am

Biden's approval rate nose dived and then stabilized around 45%. I think it'll hold there for some time now.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?ex_cid=rrpromo

In other words, he's lost some independents and held Democrat support. If the GOP run Trump Snr again, Biden wins. If the GOP run a semi sane candidate, Biden loses.

pixelburp · 24-09-2021 9:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930879#Comment_117930879

What poll is that? Not contesting the number, but I do think when it comes to American polling, it's important to know who was doing the polling - as many outlets can be deeply partisan. No doubt the honeymoon period is over with Biden and 538's aggregator tells the overall story - but digging into the numbers can paint a more complex picture; not least the fact that Red States are slowly drowning in anti-vaccination paranoia via Big Government interference.

~Rebel~ · 24-09-2021 9:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117922282#Comment_117922282

I saw the official fact-checking correction, that they’re being corralled with split reins rather than whips. Kind of feels like a distinction rather than a real difference in the broader context…. people’s anger is less about the specific implement used to incur the violence and more about the violence itself. Does the act become that much less intimidating for this distinction, under the circumstances?

anyone I see getting totally hung up on this distinction seems more likely to just be clinging to an available distraction away from the fairly horrific broader practice, which is horrific whatever way you look at it.

Brian? · 24-09-2021 9:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932042#Comment_117932042

Everything about it was terrible, I just hate people telling lies.

I would also point out that this is the Texas Border patrol. Their CIC is the Texas governor, not the POTUS.

~Rebel~ · 24-09-2021 10:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932055#Comment_117932055

Fair enough, I just think it’s important that in making that distinction, that the broader ‘wrongness’ of the situation is not somehow diluted or absolved, which is something I see these corrections being used to do a bit.

Celticfire · 24-09-2021 10:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932055#Comment_117932055

I think you'll find that you are wrong. They are CBP agents.

Brian? · 24-09-2021 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932147#Comment_117932147

I am wrong, thanks. I thought I had read Texas BP, but I am wrong.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-09-2021 10:30am

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1441247426287833092?s=19

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/5835521001?__twitter_impression=true

So the "cyber ninjas" have finished their "audit". After spending circa $6 million a d it turns out Trump has lost Arizona AGAIN 🤣🤣🤣

pixelburp · 24-09-2021 10:53am

Mild respect given for having the honesty to admit their (sham) recount surfaced an even greater victory for Biden. A mere 99 votes for sure, but still.

BobHopeless · 24-09-2021 11:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931931#Comment_117931931

https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/biden-approval-rating-in-iowa-dips-to-31-percent/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bidens-approval-rating-is-31-in-iowa-not-idaho-in-iowa

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-approval-iowa-poll-drops-below-trumps-historic-low-1631297

The man is sinking

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-09-2021 11:34am

"The man is sinking:

One year into a four year term, and you post results from one state. Satisfaction numbers for US presidents are always fluid and will rise and fall daily depending on the news that day.

Don't get to excited yet, it was a small poll of over just 800 people, if it's still as low in six months then he has something to worry about, for now it's a nothing burger.

BobHopeless · 24-09-2021 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932542#Comment_117932542

Who'd excited? Just pointing out the facts.

24-09-2021 3:54pm

Has there been any mention that the Hunter Biden Laptop story has been further corroborated by a Policito journalist in a new book *confirming* the emails from Hunter Biden's laptop about Joe Biden's business deals in China & Ukraine are genuine.

People complaining about pre-election censorship by Google in Russia cheered Big Tech's censoring this reporting.

TomOnBoard · 24-09-2021 4:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117933962#Comment_117933962

Who cares? So a 50-year old man had or had not some e-mails on a laptop that might or might not have suggested that he might or might not get involved in a business deal with some Chinese lads? Big deal!

It ceased to have any relevance once Roody and his gang of crooks took it on as a club to try and beat Joe Biden with after any vestige of evidentiary value was destroyed by their involvement. Some fella now writing a book to make money and this being 'reported' by Politico is just pathetic at this stage.

Move On! The 2020 election and all the shite trotted out during it is sooo over! Next elections in 2022 are where sensible folks are focusing.

24-09-2021 4:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934038#Comment_117934038

Actually the emails relate directly to how Joe Biden used and abused his power as VP with the responsibility for Ukraine in his portfolio to benefit a company that was paying his son Hunter $50,000 per month even though he had no experience in this industry other than access to his father the vice president who had significant power over Ukraine. The emails that the NY post published revealed that Joe Biden was meeting with company executives and that Hunter was promising them that he would do favours for them.

The second tranche of emails revealed how Hunter Biden was pursuing business deals in China with very likely included a profit participation by Joe Biden including a quote "10 held by H for the big guy" raising serious questions about the presidential front runner three weeks in a run up to the election.

Third issue is the fact that Big Tech and corporate media censored a true story in a run up an election so that their preferred candidate would win. But lets move on nothing to see here just like the Russia Gate conspiracy theory that was peddled for four years.

Rjd2 · 24-09-2021 4:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117933962#Comment_117933962

Mixed feelings on this. The media clearly went to bat for Biden and buried the story as they were worried about Trump winning, but nonetheless in the grand scheme of things compared to Trump and his all awful family, its relatively harmless. I'd be more annoyed with the media than Biden tbh.

I think most people unless in an MSNBC echo chamber 24/7 probably knew Hunter was dodgy anyhow so it is what it is.

Its a waste of time really now worrying about it .

Danzy · 24-09-2021 4:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932542#Comment_117932542

Polls, for most of the last 50 years tend to see flat lining or declining support.

Polling science is reasonably robust, 800 people is enough.

It's not set in stone but they will be worried

Manic Moran · 25-09-2021 4:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117932178#Comment_117932178

Texas has sent about 500DPS troopers down that way. It was to the point that they overloaded the local lodging and a request was put out by the county sheriff for board. There was an overwhelming response. https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/09/22/people-living-near-the-border-open-their-homes-to-law-enforcement-assisting-with-haitian-migrant-surge/%3foutputType=amp

You probably mixed the two up.

It has been observed that the use of reins which seems to have done no more harm than to pride seems to be causing more of a furore than the news of killing ten innocents in a drone strike.

Tell me how · 25-09-2021 5:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117936239#Comment_117936239

I think you know well the significance of the imagery of what was going on in that incident with the patrol agent on horseback.

Which drone strike are you talking about?

This one?

U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

Or this one?

A Wedding That Became a Funeral

US Drone Attack on Marriage Procession in Yemen

It's probably the one from Afghanistan recently you are referring to. America has long been culpable in the deaths of civilians in areas where it's military behaves like it is on a training exercise.

Do you think the people feeling sorry for the Afghans now will change their mind next time the military lobbyists get their way. We've also seen just how concerned people are about the Afghan civilians with the reaction in many states at the idea of refugees from Afghanistan being relocated there.

Podge_irl · 25-09-2021 2:25pm

I'm not entirely sure what the sitting president's popularity in a state he lost in the election anyway has to do with anything. Trying to bring in the fact its an important primary state when its a) a sitting president and b) not restricted to democrats seems particularly desperate.

Biden has had a rough month. He will have more of them no doubt, but there is nothing particularly to worry about for now.

Itssoeasy · 25-09-2021 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937547#Comment_117937547

If the democrats can get their ducks in a row and pass both the infrastructure bills which yes include traditional infrastructure but the other type then the rough month may pass because September 2021 isn’t the time to panic, but if it’s bad in September 2022 then yes panic stations are warranted.

TomOnBoard · 25-09-2021 3:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117937679#Comment_117937679

IF the Dems can get their ducks in a row, even if they use the Senate filibuster just once, they must focus on Voting Rights above all else, before their voters are legislated out of their rights to vote in all those Red states that are queueing up to disenfranchise them.

Josephfromdowntheroad · 25-09-2021 4:27pm

Democrats need to get their house in order, manchin going rogue isn't helping things, his recent comments about waiting untill 2022 for infrastructure bills is not what this administration want to hear.

It will be a Bloodbath in the midterms if no infrastructure bill is passed.

Manic Moran · 26-09-2021 1:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117936248#Comment_117936248

Yes, I am aware of why some people are complaining about the imagery. I also think it is utterly irrelevant. "Imagery" arguments are used when rational arguments like "should the officer have forced the migrant to return across the border instead of letting him remain on US soil" do not want to be addressed. I'm sure there would be similar imagery arguments had he used pepper sprays, bean-bag shotgun rounds, or a baton. What would have been a less-image-evoking method and why?

silverharp · 26-09-2021 5:07pm

Biden owes that border Patrol officer a big apology for throwing him under the fking bus

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-09-2021 5:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942078#Comment_117942078

What did Biden do that he owes him an apology?

silverharp · 26-09-2021 5:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942131#Comment_117942131

he ran with the fake news about border guards whipping people , as that didnt happen he owes that particular officer a big apology.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-09-2021 5:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942225#Comment_117942225

So do most politicians (both sides), reporters and news anchors in America! And I agree, I could see straight away that it was the horse reins not a whip but to just blame Biden for this is disingenuous.

silverharp · 26-09-2021 5:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942261#Comment_117942261

Im not blaming him "for it" I can blame him for not apologising after the information is clear.

Tell me how · 26-09-2021 6:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942267#Comment_117942267

This level of being offended is all very snowflakey. Do you need a safe space?

Did Biden name the guy? Was it Biden who took the photo and published it?

silverharp · 26-09-2021 7:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942459#Comment_117942459

I dont get your snowflake comment, It is possible to have an opinion about a President owning his words with a randomer trying to mind read me

Tell me how · 26-09-2021 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942513#Comment_117942513

This is a discussion board.....

TomOnBoard · 29-09-2021 5:55am

An interesting day in the Senate Armed Services Committee yesterday. Following extensive questioning, a number of fake news stories, propagated by the GQP were lanced by Milley & Mc Kensie.

Firstly, the whole Milley committing 'treason' BS was dealt with: Milley's phone calls to China were entirely within the scope of his role and had involved many others including Sec Def and Mark Meadows, Trump's own chief of staff.

Secondly, Milley and Mc Kensie had advised Biden to keep the 2,500 troops (the level to which Trump had reduced them) in place in Afghanistan indefinitely. GQP propaganda had painted a picture of Biden ignoring them, i.e. not listening to them. In fact, the Generals clearly said that Biden had listened very carefully to their military advice, but in the end he had decided that the military view was untenable as a) if the US didn't leave, the Taliban would re-launch its attacks on US troops and then b) the military would be back in looking for more troops as 2,500 simply would be entirely insufficient to make any impact and would incur many more casualties from a resurgent Taliban & resultant civil war. The military would have needed a re-insertion of 2,000 then 5,000 then 10-15,000 more US troops at the very least, and another 5 or 10 or 20 years of war. This military scenario was built on Biden's own experience of how the military had hoodwinked Obama over the years when the military axis, coupled with Hillary Clinton, sought 30 and 40,000 troops to be put into Afghanistan in the 1st Obama term. Biden is also the 1st President in decades whose own child (Beau) went to serve on the front-line, leaving him far more reticent to put more young lives in danger to support a gargantuan military-industrial complex who were only interested in making fortunes on the backs of those dead and injured soldiers.

Clearly the Afghanistan withdrawal was messy and strategic mistakes were made over many years. The final withdrawal was rushed and clearly caught everyone napping, by a failed & corrupt Afghan Government and senior military collapsing like a wet sheet.

All that said, the recently stated strategy of reliance on the 'over the horizon capability' to deal with terrorism on Afghan soil that might impact the US and the West down the road MUST be seriously examined to ensure that war crimes such as that committed in the recent slaughter of the 10 civilians, including 7 children in Kabul is never repeated. Milley and the Military, as well as those in the CIA must be held to account for blatant criminality abroad in the same way as law enforcement are being held to account for their criminal behaviour in the U.S., such as in the case of Derek Chauvin and his mates in the horrible murder of George Floyd.

AbusesToilets · 29-09-2021 7:59am

Milley in justifying his actions shocker. If you buy that line, I've got some beach front property in AZ to sell you. Apparently the debacle in Afghanistan was no-one's fault, so that's grand so.

PopePalpatine · 29-09-2021 8:40am

Is anyone else starting to worry about the Republicans' nixing any attempt at raising the debt ceiling? Sure, it was raised back when they controlled Congress while Obama was in office after loads of brinkmanship, but they didn't have the Qlan to pander to back then - but then again, they were instead pandering to their predecessors in the Tea Party.

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