People with a funny idea of the rules of the road.

15-06-2021 3:39pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

if you enter a roundabout while someone is approaching it then how exactly do you think they're going to straight-line it at 80km/h????

1 I never said anyone is going 80 on a roundabout, that was in relation to a T-junction
2 I never said they were straight-lining it either
3 The previous poster stated that if you enter at the same time, it's fine. If you're sitting at a small roundabout such as the one in the picture, then you look to your right and see someone approaching the roundabout doing 20/30kph, pulling out in front of them is a) a dick move and b) going to cause an accident. They will close those 8 or 9 metres in less than a second, which is not enough time for you to pick up enough speed to get out of the way.

15-06-2021 3:41pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

The cars (from all directions ) should be entering with caution, the example given has Yield signs at all entrances to the RaB.

Correct. So should you yield to the car on your right, or should that car yield to you, being on their left?

Isambard · 15-06-2021 3:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If they pull onto the roundabout and don't turn left, they'll plough into the side of your car. Good luck trying to explain to them/the guards/the insurance company that they weren't on the roundabout, they were approaching the roundabout when you pulled out in front of them.

Barring any other external factors, if the other car has to brake because you entered, then you shouldn't have entered, IMO.

nevertheless, thems the rules. It's somewhat annoying when people yield when they don't need to and causes delays. You won't have pulled out in front of them if you enter the roundabout before they do, or even at the same moment.

frozenfrozen · 15-06-2021 4:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

1 I never said anyone is going 80 on a roundabout, that was in relation to a T-junction
2 I never said they were straight-lining it either
3 The previous poster stated that if you enter at the same time, it's fine. If you're sitting at a small roundabout such as the one in the picture, then you look to your right and see someone approaching the roundabout doing 20/30kph, pulling out in front of them is a) a dick move and b) going to cause an accident. They will close those 8 or 9 metres in less than a second, which is not enough time for you to pick up enough speed to get out of the way.

no no no no no

go back and look at all the question marks and smiley face

15-06-2021 4:14pm

Isambard wrote: »

nevertheless, thems the rules. It's somewhat annoying when peaople yield when they don't need to and causes delays.

They ARE the rules, but sticking blindly to the rules "no matter what" will cause more accidents, injuries and deaths in the long run. Plus, it IS ANNOYING when you're held up unnecessarily, but it's not as annoying as losing your NCB or the use of the car for a week because you were technically correct. It's the equivalent of a cyclist saying "I have right of way" as they get squished by a 40-foot.

You won't have pulled out in front of them if you enter the roundabout before they do, or even at the same moment.

Crazy talk. If you are completely stopped, then enter that roundabout in Artane at 6 o'clock at the exact same time as another car does at 9 o'clock, when they're travelling at 20kph+ then you are:

a) pulling out in front of them
b) technically correct, according to the RotR and
c) at fault for the inevitable accident

Fast2move · 15-06-2021 5:59pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Correct. So should you yield to the car on your right, or should that car yield to you, being on their left?

I get it now exactly what you’re saying and you are right. As you’re approaching a roundabout and the car approaching from the right is obvious that they are not going to slow down upon entering the roundabout then yes yield of them even if they are not technically on the roundabout to prevent an accident

And in the case of the Artane roundabout I know what you mean it is so annoying because if they indicate left then they indicate to you that it is safe for you more or less to enter the roundabout and you feel like a chump having sat there and yielding to them

kaahooters · 16-06-2021 10:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

b) technically correct, according to the RotR and
c) at fault for the inevitable accident

you cant be correct and at fault, thats not how that works.

tDw6u1bj · 16-06-2021 10:25am

Isambard wrote: »

You give way to traffic from your right

In a modern context, with the way irish roads are set up...where does this ctually come into play?

Vestiapx · 16-06-2021 10:31am

sumo12 wrote: »

This is MY rule - if someone is coming down the slip road to join the motorway and they do not indicate and just assume they are going to make me vanish so they can merge, I will under no circumstances let them join the motorway. Doubt that's in any Rule of the Road but it's in the common courtesy / etiquette imaginary one...

If a person isn't Indictating do you think they are planning on not joining the motorway?

Isambard · 16-06-2021 10:44am

tDw6u1bj wrote: »

In a modern context, with the way irish roads are set up...where does this ctually come into play?

everywhere it doesn't say different in the signage.

tDw6u1bj · 16-06-2021 10:54am

Isambard wrote: »

everywhere it doesn't say different in the signage.

Sure, and where's that?

From what I can see it's been designed out of our roads. Someone will always have proper right-of-way, so it never comes down to this.

Conversely, I've talked to multiple people who get confused about how things work because "give way to people ono the right" is drummed into them

BrianD3 · 16-06-2021 11:12am

tDw6u1bj wrote: »

Sure, and where's that?

From what I can see it's been designed out of our roads. Someone will always have proper right-of-way, so it never comes down to this.

There are some junctions around the country. E.g. this crossroads in Co. Cavan with 4 stop signs. This is a relatively recent development, if you look at older google street photos it used to be a standard cross roads with 2 stop signs

tDw6u1bj · 16-06-2021 11:14am

BrianD3 wrote: »

There are some junctions around the country. E.g. this crossroads in Co. Cavan with 4 stop signs. This is a relatively recent development, if you look at older google street photos it used to be a standard cross roads with 2 stop signs

What the hell were they thinking. that's insane

Sam Quentin · 16-06-2021 11:28am

Me Merging:: shhhhhhh shhhhh look away continue at your leisure, I will merge beautifully in a non obstructive way, I will flow gracefully into this beautiful motorway traffic and nobody will know I was even there... until I appear in front or behind. MAGNIFICO..

CoBo55 · 16-06-2021 12:11pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

There are some junctions around the country. E.g. this crossroads in Co. Cavan with 4 stop signs. This is a relatively recent development, if you look at older google street photos it used to be a standard cross roads with 2 stop signs

There are a few like that in County Carlow too, very frustrating.

liamog · 16-06-2021 12:15pm

4 way stops are ridiculous and should never be used on Irish Roads

Isambard · 16-06-2021 12:18pm

tDw6u1bj wrote: »

Sure, and where's that?

From what I can see it's been designed out of our roads. Someone will always have proper right-of-way, so it never comes down to this.

Conversely, I've talked to multiple people who get confused about how things work because "give way to people ono the right" is drummed into them

dozens of places no doubt. For instance anywhere traffic lights fail.

SimonTemplar · 16-06-2021 12:23pm

tDw6u1bj wrote: »

What the hell were they thinking. that's insane

That looks like an American junction where cars proceed into the junction in the order that they arrive. Makes no sense having them on Irish roads.

Isambard · 16-06-2021 12:56pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

That looks like an American junction where cars proceed into the junction in the order that they arrive. Makes no sense having them on Irish roads.

4 stop signs creates a junction identical to a roundabout in terms of priority. If there's a car to your right, you yield to it.

tDw6u1bj · 16-06-2021 12:59pm

Isambard wrote: »

dozens of places no doubt. For instance anywhere traffic lights fail.

Your examples are an abomination that shouldn't exist (not on irish roads, not on american ones either), and a (increasingly rare) malfunction?

Isambard · 16-06-2021 1:53pm

tDw6u1bj wrote: »

Your examples are an abomination that shouldn't exist (not on irish roads, not on american ones either), and a (increasingly rare) malfunction?

meh.

SimonTemplar · 16-06-2021 4:17pm

I'm still a N driver and when I'm on a multi lane road driving at the speed limit, I often have people whizzing by me in the lane beside me. It can be off putting because it makes me think I missed a speed limit change but that's not the case.

Yesterday I passed a 50 sign with cars continuing to speed past me in the other lane with me going 50.

mgbgt1978 · 16-06-2021 4:24pm

Considering the rather harsh penalty point set-up (in my opinion) for Novice Drivers, I'd say you're doing exactly the right thing.

SimonTemplar · 16-06-2021 4:43pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Considering the rather harsh penalty point set-up (in my opinion) for Novice Drivers, I'd say you're doing exactly the right thing.

I've no intention of speeding just due to peer pressure but it can be off-putting for an inexperienced driver.

wandererz · 16-06-2021 7:40pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I'm still a N driver and when I'm on a multi lane road driving at the speed limit, I often have people whizzing by me in the lane beside me. It can be off putting because it makes me think I missed a speed limit change but that's not the case.

Yesterday I passed a 50 sign with cars continuing to speed past me in the other lane with me going 50.

Whizzing by you on the left or right side?

FrankC21 · 16-06-2021 8:52pm

Was on my way to work today and what is up with female drivers today is it the weather, too hot for them or something, 3 times used my horn they either not watching lights or on the phone. One incident, was big queue turning right and I was on a going straight lane infront of me was a female driver we both at a stop light, when the line went green she fcking immediately turned right with no signal and surpassing the cars on the turning right lane and the light immediately turns red so she stopped ahead of the cars already on the lane, bloody hell alot of cars were blaring their horns.

SimonTemplar · 16-06-2021 10:02pm

wandererz wrote: »

Whizzing by you on the left or right side?

On the right side. A good example that happened a few days ago would be from here on the Naas Rd:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3231048,-6.3536986,3a,75y,252.46h,84.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgnq9-w-RVppXdgmZiPec7Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

I'm in the left lane (beside the bus lane) doing 60 and cars to the right of me are flying past even though the speed limit is 60.

tDw6u1bj · 16-06-2021 10:18pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I'm still a N driver and when I'm on a multi lane road driving at the speed limit, I often have people whizzing by me in the lane beside me. It can be off putting because it makes me think I missed a speed limit change but that's not the case.

Yesterday I passed a 50 sign with cars continuing to speed past me in the other lane with me going 50.

FWIW, it'll always seem like there's more people speeding around you than there actually are.

The vast majority of people follow the speed limit but you won't notice them because they aren't passing you.

grogi · 16-06-2021 10:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Correct. So should you yield to the car on your right, or should that car yield to you, being on their left?

They should yield to all vehicles on the RB.

SimonTemplar · 16-06-2021 10:58pm

Actually, here's a question about a turn I've taken a few times. If you see in the map here:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3429041,-6.3185282,173m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I'm emerging from Memorial Rd and turning left onto Chapelizod Bypass, I then immediately exit the Chapelizod Bypass and go down Con Colbert Rd toward Sarsfield Rd.

When I do turn onto Chapelizod Bypass, I don't go into the bus lane. Instead I go into the left lane beside the bus lane and then do a lane change into Con Colbert Rd once I get to that broken white line by the yellow box. But this is essentially doing two lane changes in one maneuver (into Con Colbert Rd by traversing the bus lane)

So it seems to me that it makes more sense to turn directly into the bus lane and then turn off into Con Colbert Rd. For the sake of the 80 meters of the bus lane, that seems a little more pragmatic than following the letter of the rules and avoids doing two lane changes at the same time.

Any thoughts?

CoBo55 · 16-06-2021 11:01pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Actually, here's a question about a turn I've taken a few times. If you see in the map here:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3429041,-6.3185282,173m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I'm emerging from Memorial Rd and turning left onto Chapelizod Bypass, I then immediately exit the Chapelizod Bypass and go down Con Colbert Rd toward Sarsfield Rd.

When I do turn onto Chapelizod Bypass, I don't go into the bus lane. Instead I go into the left lane beside the bus lane and then do a lane change into Con Colbert Rd once I get to that broken white line by the yellow box. But this is essentially doing two lane changes in one maneuver (into Con Colbert Rd by traversing the bus lane)

So it seems to me that it makes more sense to turn directly into the bus lane and then turn off into Con Colbert Rd. For the sake of the 80 meters of the bus lane, that seems a little more pragmatic than following the letter of the rules and avoids doing two lane changes at the same time.

Any thoughts?

All grand chancing the bus lane until the fecker on the cop bike nabs you!!

grogi · 16-06-2021 11:26pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Any thoughts?

You have to cross the bus lane. Let buses pass and you are free to go. What's the problem with that?

Jeremy Sproket · 23-06-2021 9:30am

It's especially egregious at evening and morning rush hour.
Everyone is in a rush.

You approach speed rams and slow down accordingly, you get tailed and lambasted by the horn. If you dare do it again for the next ramp they accelerate like a madman and overtake you aggressively and fly over the next ramps (I don't know how their suspensions are still in one piece).

wildwillow · 23-06-2021 9:42am

The Strawberry beds road has more than 20 ramps over a distance so one is continually slowing to a crawl as they are pretty steep. I was always annoyed with them until I got to know someone who lived there.

They had so many close calls when walking or cycling that they eventually moved.

I will never speed over a ramp, no matter who is on my tail.

23-06-2021 9:50am

Let them break up their cars. I certainly wouldn’t be breaking up mine for them.

Seth Brundle · 23-06-2021 10:59am

wildwillow wrote: »

The Strawberry beds road has more than 20 ramps over a distance so one is continually slowing to a crawl as they are pretty steep. I was always annoyed with them until I got to know someone who lived there.

They had so many close calls when walking or cycling that they eventually moved.

I will never speed over a ramp, no matter who is on my tail.

I always felt that the Strawberry beds road really should have been closed to vehicular traffic halfway along to remove the rat running. Bikes, pedestrians, etc could have the run of it as normal.
However, the ramps are great for slowing cars, they're also a bit of a bitch if you're on a bike. Taking the edge means you've to go over a shore; take a lime more to the right and you'll almost castrate yourself. Damned if you do and damned if you don't

Jeremy Sproket · 23-06-2021 11:57am

I hate those cushion ramps, I cannot see the point of them.

When I'm on my bike, if I move into the left to avoid them drivers behind take it as a carte blanche to squeeze by and if you move out to the middle of the road to avoid it you get beep for "getting in their way".

Damned if you do ... etc.

For similar reasons when I see a cyclist up ahead, it may be safe for both of us and legal to overtake, but I often don't to prevent cars coming behind from squeezing the cyclist, especially if the cyclist is not taking the primary.

Once before I gave plenty of space to overtake a cyclist and a clown behind overtook the cyclist with cms to spare whilst simultaneously undertaking me. The mind boggles.

pale rider · 23-06-2021 1:03pm

If you change lane you have to indicate, it’s not difficult, if a lane entering a MW eventually filters into lane 1 of the MW then on those rare occasions the design might be as described them none is required as you have not crossed lines.

I’m not aware of many lanes that join a ME like that so for me an indication is essential.

liamog · 23-06-2021 1:10pm

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

You approach speed rams and slow down accordingly, you get tailed and lambasted by the horn. If you dare do it again for the next ramp they accelerate like a madman and overtake you aggressively and fly over the next ramps (I don't know how their suspensions are still in one piece).

I have done this, but only when the car in front has been lowered to such a comically low amount that suburban ramps may as well be huge mountains.
If there are enough ramps on the road, I don't feel like taking an extra 5 minutes because the car in front want's to sit on the tarmac.

grogi · 23-06-2021 1:29pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

the ramps are /.../ bitch if you're on a bike. Taking the edge means you've to go over a shore; take a lime more to the right and you'll almost castrate yourself.

You stand on the pedals and let the bike rotate freely. Not only you massively reduce the non-sprung mass, but also the risk for the family diamonds.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 23-06-2021 6:16pm

Cork City Council specific problem:

They’ve a number of junctions that appear to be programmed as if there’s a fly light, where on green, they’re holding oncoming traffic on red on the opposite side for say 30 secs, to allow a right turn, but there’s no arrow displayed. The light will be full green, with the oncoming traffic held for a while and no indication that it’s safe to turn, but you’ll notice the traffic isn’t moving towards you and get the hint.

If you hesitate, you’ll often be aggressively beeped at by a friendly taxi driver who is familiar with the weird arrangement.

The result of this is that you’re getting people who assume all junctions do this and they’ll turn across oncoming traffic immediately on green.

I’ve seen it a few times and I’m pretty convinced this is what’s creating the bad habits.

The city council clearly doesn’t see the issue. It’s at a number of long established junctions. I’ve never seen it on a new lights installation though.

People with a funny idea of the rules of the road.

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