Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

its_steve116 · 20-09-2020 10:30pm #1

It seems to me that Joe Duffy is the only well-known broadcaster in Ireland with what could be considered a strong Dublin accent. Why do a lot of Dublin broadcasters have neutral or posh accents?

KaneToad · 20-09-2020 10:31pm

its_steve116 wrote: »

It seems to me that Joe Duffy is the only well-known broadcaster in Ireland with what could be considered a strong Dublin accent. Why do a lot of Dublin broadcasters have neutral or posh accents?

What's a 'posh' accent?

bobbyy gee · 20-09-2020 10:33pm

or Kerry accents

Allinall · 20-09-2020 10:33pm

its_steve116 wrote: »

It seems to me that Joe Duffy is the only well-known broadcaster in Ireland with what could be considered a strong Dublin accent. Why do a lot of Dublin broadcasters have neutral or posh accents?

Gavin McLoughlin. Business reporter for Newstalk.

Rodney Bathgate · 20-09-2020 10:33pm

KaneToad wrote: »

What's a 'posh' accent?

They can pronounce thirty three and a third properly?

Smee_Again · 20-09-2020 10:33pm

Cause 1 is enough.

punisher5112 · 20-09-2020 10:34pm

They pronounce things so very different to us normal folk....

Garda sounds like gawda

Sky King · 20-09-2020 10:35pm

The gore thee.

Actually... There was a fellah presentin prime time there last week or the week before that sounded like a proper taxi droiver pal, yeah?

20-09-2020 10:35pm

Because they need to be understood.

appledrop · 20-09-2020 10:38pm

Sky King wrote: »

The gore thee.

Actually... There was a fellah presentin prime time there last week or the week before that sounded like a proper taxi droiver pal, yeah?

Yeah, I was going to say same, young guy last week on Primetime. He was very good + accent wasn't over the top.

Leg End Reject · 20-09-2020 10:39pm

Neutral accents are easily understood regardless of where you're from.

That's why I don't understand RTE's weird pronunciation of certain words - ishshew, tishhew, ngoooordee, Portleash-ha etc. It doesn't sound posh, more like the presenter is seeing the word for the first time and having at bash at saying it.

20-09-2020 10:40pm

I'm gonna guess they haven't pursued careers in media.

RWCNT · 20-09-2020 10:41pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

They can pronounce thirty three and a third properly?

They can't really. They make it sound like thorty, three and a thord.

Rodney Bathgate · 20-09-2020 10:46pm

RWCNT wrote: »

They can't really. They make it sound like thorty, three and a thord.

Still better than tirty tree and a turd.

TheBlackPill · 20-09-2020 10:47pm

Plenty of Dubs acting in the crime dramas. Gritty realism?

appledrop · 20-09-2020 10:48pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Neutral accents are easily understood regardless of where you're from.

That's why I don't understand RTE's weird pronunciation of certain words - ishshew, tishhew, ngoooordee, Portleash-ha etc. It doesn't sound posh, more like the presenter is seeing the word for the first time and having at bash at saying it.

This drives me f$$k mad. Should be pronounced Port Leash + Dunne Leary not poxy Port leash haaaa+ Dun Lear aaaaaa

It does my head in. Nobody frorm Portlaoise or Dun Laoghaire pronounce it the way rte does so what are they at?

There you go rant over!

TheBlackPill · 20-09-2020 10:51pm

"A Jaysus howaya! I'm(generic garrison town name/wayne) and this is the six wan news"

dotsman · 20-09-2020 11:07pm

'Cos nobody will understand them!!!

Same way you don't have any strong accents from any county.

completedit · 20-09-2020 11:16pm

The best is a kinda posh accent with a kinda traditional Dublin accent. I speak kinda posh for some words but other words I sound like Brendan Behan. I pronounce the u in words in a 'true' Dublin way but I also pronounce burger with an exaggerated u sound and words like nice come out like noice.

riclad · 20-09-2020 11:30pm

It's like bbc radio, most presenters on BBC radio 4 have middle class accents or a slight regional accent.
I think it's hard to get a job as a presenter if you have a working class accent.
It's not just rte radio most radio djs have a middle class accent see classics hits, 102 fm etc if they have a country accent it's a mild accent.
I think all presenters in RTE go to university, they tend to all come from a middle class background.
You can have a strong rural accent if you are a gaa, sports commentator.
I think Joe Duffy is a one off.
Equality is a myth. See the weather or news presenters on tv, they are well dressed and slim, they look similar,
I can't see Joe Duffy getting his own show on rte radio if he was starting off now.
If you have a certain accent you simply
won't get offered a job on radio.

riclad · 20-09-2020 11:31pm

riclad wrote: »

It's like bbc radio, most presenters on BBC radio 4 have middle class accents or a slight regional accent.
I think it's hard to get a job as a presenter if you have a working class accent.
It's not just rte radio most radio djs have a middle class accent see classics hits, 102 fm etc if they have a country accent it's a mild accent.
I think all presenters in RTE go to university, they tend to all come from a middle class background.
You can have a strong rural accent if you are a gaa, sports commentator.
I think Joe Duffy is a one off.
Equality is a myth. See the weather or news presenters on tv, they are well dressed and slim, they look similar,
I can't see Joe Duffy getting his own show on rte radio if he was starting off now.
If you have a certain accent you simply
won't get offered a job on radio.

I don't think anyone has any trouble understanding Joe Duffy

gogo · 21-09-2020 1:14am

Laura woods drives me up the wall for this very reason, she used to have a somewhat ok accent but it’s getting posher and posher as the years go on, her voice always comes out as incredible fake, the accents is caught between forced D4 and then normal neutral Dub.. can’t listen to her anymore for this reason.

s1ippy · 21-09-2020 1:17am

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058114868/1/#post114681106
Tony two threads

1990sman · 21-09-2020 1:33am

depends on the nipple

Randle P. McMurphy · 21-09-2020 2:06am

A combination of class and education.

KungPao · 21-09-2020 2:54am

They save them all for Fair City. Sure Leo or Harry Molloy would be wasted on rubbish like 6 one or as host of the late late show.

1990sman · 21-09-2020 4:09am

drybastards!

ILoveYourVibes · 21-09-2020 4:16am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Still better than tirty tree and a turd.

I say like ...thorsssy ...three and a thorddsss

Hoboo · 21-09-2020 4:16am

riclad wrote: »

I don't think anyone has any trouble understanding Joe Duffy

His callers on the otherhand...

ILoveYourVibes · 21-09-2020 4:17am

Snobbery basically is the reason.

There should be more.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-09-2020 4:18am

riclad wrote: »

I don't think anyone has any trouble understanding Joe Duffy

People can understand every accent ....but accent bias ..is a real thing

ILoveYourVibes · 21-09-2020 4:18am

I honestly think my accent is ****ing hilarious ...

thooorrrssssshy threee ..sissssh (sit)

I like all our accents.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-09-2020 4:19am

I might be drunk

Hamsterchops · 21-09-2020 6:43am

Dublin accents are great, as long as the 'th' is kept intact ...

21-09-2020 6:43am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Snobbery basically is the reason.

There should be more.

More snobbery?

Hear hear! Bully for you, what!

:pac:

Dempo1 · 21-09-2020 7:13am

One is reminded of that amusing little moment of hilarity.

What exactly is a Crèche?

It's when two cars collide in Dalkey

But more to the point, I was also reminded how awful the Tallaght accent is when a number of Shamrock Rovers were interviewed in advance of the big match last week. I chap went from Buzzing to Sad to Gutted to buzzing (yeh know what I mean like) in one sentence without taking a single breath.

Real Life · 21-09-2020 9:22am

Brian Kerr represents to the fullest

bnt · 21-09-2020 9:53am

KaneToad wrote: »

What's a 'posh' accent?

One that can be understood by people outside Dublin, or even people outside Ireland? It’s the same in the UK: people like Scottish accents, but a gentle Edinburgh accent rather than a strong Glaswegian. Think Fiona Bruce rather than Rab C. Nesbitt, or Billy Connolly when he’s on stage in London.

bb1234567 · 21-09-2020 12:58pm

For the same reason advertisers of skin products having good skin..presenters main job is to be easily understood

smellyoldboot · 21-09-2020 1:04pm

Real Life wrote: »

Brian Kerr represents to the fullest

I actually like both Brian Kerr and his accent tbh. Ronnie Drew was another one with a voice you could listen to forever imo.

Can't stand the orr-chee-ee accent. Where the **** does that even come from?

JasonStatham · 21-09-2020 1:06pm

Cos it's grating to listen to it, it's got nothing to do with where the person is from.

You want someone with a neutral accent because you have to listen to them for thirty minutes to an hour.

biko · 21-09-2020 1:09pm

We need more strong Belfast accents on RTE - inclusiveness like.

Mango Joe · 21-09-2020 1:10pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

They can pronounce thirty three and a third properly?

This.

It seems as though every second person on Irish radio is talking about tree percent increases and turteen tausand and turty new jobs for Dublin.

Its nearly as though people who pronounce dere th's are sent home.

Kaybaykwah · 21-09-2020 1:10pm

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I actually like both Brian Kerr and his accent tbh. Ronnie Drew was another one with a voice you could listen to forever imo.

Can't stand the orr-chee-ee accent. Where the **** does that even come from?

I'll give ye a cleeue, and no, nobody got his balls broken.:

Ballsbr...e

bigpink · 21-09-2020 1:11pm

Way for the next big media push all things Black.So we will have accents like strong African ones even tho they have been educated here.Look at some of the Irish hip hop scene if swear they were London yardies

An Ri rua · 21-09-2020 1:12pm

its_steve116 wrote: »

It seems to me that Joe Duffy is the only well-known broadcaster in Ireland with what could be considered a strong Dublin accent. Why do a lot of Dublin broadcasters have neutral or posh accents?

Because nobody wants to hear the news being read by someone adding 'in anyways' to every sentence. The West Dublin version of America's 'and sh1t'.

https://www.dailyedge.ie/words-phrases-dublin-1890459-Jan2015/

I can just see Sharon saying Ask Me Ar*e. Would be an exceedingly pleasant conversation I've no doubt.

runawaybishop · 21-09-2020 1:13pm

Because if you want to present you take elocution lessons to eradicate a thick accent

imme · 21-09-2020 1:45pm

While not comparable you don't people with mad cockney accents "guv nor" this and "guv nor" that on the BBC.

The young chap on Prime Time with the pronounced Dublin accent is probably an exception to your thesis.

whisky_galore · 21-09-2020 2:06pm

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Can't stand the orr-chee-ee accent. Where the **** does that even come from?

RTE stilted 'received pronunciation'. No-one speaks like that in real life.

Jimmy McGill · 21-09-2020 2:11pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

RTE stilted 'received pronunciation'. No-one speaks like that in real life.

When did this fake American accent come about in Dublin? Your one Caitríona Perry that presents the news these days is a prime example

It's a shocking accent IMO

Kaybaykwah · 21-09-2020 2:11pm

imme wrote: »

While not comparable you don't people with mad cockney accents "guv nor" this and "guv nor" that on the BBC.

The young chap on Prime Time with the pronounced Dublin accent is probably an exception to your thesis.

Yep, here in Canuckistan, the French Canadian accents that one can liken to a heavy brogue wouldn't cut it. Up until the sixties, radio and TV announcers needed to speak as close to possible as a Parisian French. Nowadays, they call it "international French", and are much looser, closer to our dialects. France is the same, they wouldn't put on someone with the accents from the "banlieues" for newscasts. The world over, it's a job of ironing out the pointy bits.

Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

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