Deep state

enno99 · 23-08-2020 3:40am #1

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/22/my-discussion-with-john-durhams-lead-investigator-william-aldenberg/#more-198229

On Tuesday August 18th, I had the opportunity to talk to, be interviewed by, and brief the person described as the “main guy”, the “central investigator”, “the guy who coordinates all investigative aspects” behind the John Durham investigation.

All of the direct evidence of this series of events, and a lot more not in this written summary, is included in a series of public documents release
d over a period of about twelve months. Because the documents were released out of sequence and seemingly disconnected no-one caught on to the backstory.

This evidence was directly provided to special investigator William Aldenberg who was very apt at asking questions as each document was reviewed. By the end of our discussion there were no questions remaining; and none of it was based on supposition, innuendo, speculation or inference.

Mr. Aldenberg could not affirm or attest to the implications of the information as provided; however, he did accept the briefing was clear and articulately grounded on the evidence within the documents provided.

Great piece by Sundance
well worth reading

Earlier posts
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/10/status-update-meet-at-the-old-mill-we-ride-at-midnight/#more-197763

If no progress is made by this Friday 5pm, CTH will first share the name of the primary Durham investigator to media previously briefed on the documents we assembled. From there, and within 24 hrs, we will make that name public and direct inquiries can begin.

Clinesmith was charged on the friday guess he didnt think it was enough he released the name

23-08-2020 3:43am

You can so clearly see bill aldenberg is a lizard Person he barely fits inside that human skin he is wearing

enno99 · 25-08-2020 12:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

You can so clearly see bill aldenberg is a lizard Person he barely fits inside that human skin he is wearing

Glad the schools are opening again

namloc1980 · 29-08-2020 6:06pm

Isn't the "deep state" basically like the senior civil servants in Ireland. Unelected bureaucrats who run 99% of state and government business and generally move at their own pace and priorities, with a veneer of the ruling Government over the top. Sure we've been dealing with the deep state for years.

enno99 · 29-08-2020 6:22pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Isn't the "deep state" basically like the senior civil servants in Ireland. Unelected bureaucrats who run 99% of state and government business and generally move at their own pace and priorities, with a veneer of the ruling Government over the top. Sure we've been dealing with the deep state for years.

Yea sounds benign dont it
Try removing the trough the have their noses buried in and see their reaction

namloc1980 · 29-08-2020 6:54pm

enno99 wrote: »

Yea sounds benign dont it
Try removing the trough the have their noses buried in and see their reaction

An entrenched civil service or "deep state" is actually an important component of a functioning and peaceful democracy. Ok they're frustrating to deal with and slow but their slow moving nature and deep understanding of governance means they can blunt and slow down extremist policies from being implemented. That's why in authoritarian regimes senior bureaucrats get purged and replaced by those sympathetic to the regime. It makes it much easier to implement policies by having regime people in place.

Look at the UK. Cummings and Boris wanted to root out the senior civil service because they saw them as barriers to implementing their plans.

enno99 · 29-08-2020 7:23pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

An entrenched civil service or "deep state" is actually an important component of a functioning and peaceful democracy. Ok they're frustrating to deal with and slow but their slow moving nature and deep understanding of governance means they can blunt and slow down extremist policies from being implemented. That's why in authoritarian regimes senior bureaucrats get purged and replaced by those sympathetic to the regime. It makes it much easier to implement policies by having regime people in place.

Look at the UK. Cummings and Boris wanted to root out the senior civil service because they saw them as barriers to implementing their plans.

Exactly unelected officials undermining the Government elected by the Citizens
why have a Government at all just let the unelected bureaucrats have free reign
save a few quid in wages

enno99 · 29-08-2020 7:29pm

There are trillions at stake

A very good read if your interested
This guy knows his stuff

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/28/the-bloom-is-off-the-ruse-tom-donohue-and-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-announce-support-for-far-left-democrats-in-2020/

namloc1980 · 29-08-2020 7:29pm

enno99 wrote: »

Exactly unelected officials undermining the Government elected by the Citizens
why have a Government at all just let the unelected bureaucrats have free reign
save a few quid in wages

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

SlowMotion321 · 29-08-2020 7:49pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

The worry is though that they can act with impunity and avoid any repercussions, who watches them?

enno99 · 29-08-2020 9:22pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

They are supposed to implement the policies of the government of the day whithin the law
if its unlawful they should expose it
if the just disagree with them they should resign

And deep state has a darker meaning in this instance Intelligence .congress. DOJ etc working together to take down a President

King Mob · 30-08-2020 12:21am

namloc1980 wrote: »

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

I think the deep state are more like a shadowy cabal of people who have various neferious goals, depending on the conspiracy theorist.

A lot of the time now, "deep state" is just a different name for "the Jews".

enno99 · 30-08-2020 12:56am

King Mob wrote: »

I think the deep state are more like a shadowy cabal of people who have various neferious goals, depending on the conspiracy theorist.

A lot of the time now, "deep state" is just a different name for "the Jews".

Infantile innuendo

I guess you haven't Alex Jones to hide behind LOL

King Mob · 30-08-2020 1:38am

enno99 wrote: »

Infantile innuendo

I guess you haven't Alex Jones to hide behind LOL

Sorry I forgot.
Anyone promoting or claiming a racist idea like that is obviously a fake government plant to discredit real conspiracy theorists.
My bad. Wouldn't want to make conspiracy theorists look silly.

enno99 · 30-08-2020 1:49am

King Mob wrote: »

Sorry I forgot.
Anyone promoting or claiming a racist idea like that is obviously a fake government plant to discredit real conspiracy theorists.
My bad. Wouldn't want to make conspiracy theorists look silly.

WTF are you smoking

King Mob · 30-08-2020 1:52am

enno99 wrote: »

WTF are you smoking

But that's something you claimed previously, right?

enno99 · 30-08-2020 2:02am

King Mob wrote: »

But that's something you claimed previously, right?

How Sad you cant address the topic so you resort to this bull***

King Mob · 30-08-2020 2:08am

enno99 wrote: »

How Sad you cant address the topic so you resort to this bull***

I did. I pointed out that I don't agree with namloc's idea that the deep state are actually just civil servants as viewed through the lens of ignorant internet conspiracy theorists.

I stated that a lot of conspiracy theorists see the deep state being more than that and being more sinister than anything those civil servants could do.
I also point out that a lot of conspiracy theorists also subscribe to ideas like the Jews are secretly controlling the deep state.

You took offense to this for some reason.

I also pointed out your bizarre belief that any racist conspiracy theorists aren't real and they are in fact government plants.

Are you saying that no genuine conspiracy theorists believe that the Jews secretly control the US government?

enno99 · 30-08-2020 2:25am

King Mob wrote: »

I did. I pointed out that I don't agree with namloc's idea that the deep state are actually just civil servants as viewed through the lens of ignorant internet conspiracy theorists.

I stated that a lot of conspiracy theorists see the deep state being more than that and being more sinister than anything those civil servants could do.
I also point out that a lot of conspiracy theorists also subscribe to ideas like the

You took offense to this for some reason.

I also pointed out your bizarre belief that any racist conspiracy theorists aren't real and they are in fact government plants.

Are you saying that no genuine conspiracy theorists believe that the Jews secretly control the US government?

And the title of the thread i posted was deep state
like i said infantile innuendo your fooling no one

King Mob · 30-08-2020 2:28am

enno99 wrote: »

And the title of the thread i posted was deep state

Yup. And that's what I posted about.

enno99 wrote: »

like i said infantile innuendo your fooling no one

What innuendo are you talking about?

I think this is another case of you inferring things that aren't there in a rush to misrepresent.

nullzero · 30-08-2020 9:29am

The notion of the deepstate is rooted in the idea that there is a form of collusion behind the "facade" of government.

To say that this idea is inherently anti-semitic is not a reasonable argument to make. Anyone making such an argument would in point of fact be attempting to discredit the notion of the deepstate by using emotive means to do so, as opposed to using deductive reasoning to refute the central point of the argument.

I personally don't have much interest in this topic, but seeing something immediately boiled down to anti-semitism with nothing other than opinion for evidence (and citing some right wing nut jobs who also believe in the deep state whilst hating Jewish people isn't evidence that the entire notion of the deepstate is rooted in anti-semitism before we begin to see a rash of links to display such content).

Such utterly puerile nonsense is hardly a surprise here however.

King Mob · 30-08-2020 10:06am

nullzero wrote: »

To say that this idea is inherently anti-semitic is not a reasonable argument to make.

Good thing no one argued that.

What would be utterly puerile nonsense would be something like people arguing that there is no relationship at all between deep state conspiracy theories, their origin and the racists who do believe in it.
Also the suggest that some (or all) examples of people who do believe in both the deep state and jewish conspiracies, are in fact fakes employed to discredit real believers.

Cheerful Spring2 · 30-08-2020 3:07pm

A deep state in Ireland does not influence affairs inside other countries around the world. US/ Deep state superpower is dangerous. Deep state people are often retired intelligence officials, big business heads, corporations with influence, wealthy donors/ rich businessmen from different countries or states who are not elected by the people, but can potentially corrupt leaders with money to side with them against the people interests and concerns. This is is very common despite the denials.

A shadow government is similar to the deep state, but its a very old power that controls everything in the background, they are people more powerful than the US president. If US president requested access to the Roswell craft, if it exists :)the shadow government can deny him entry there that powerful and can refuse the established government.

Elements of the shadow power are also entangled in doing the 9/11 attack and repressing the JFK murder evidences, overthrowing hostile regimes, around the world, and human trafficking, money laundering, gun running, you name it the things the open government public government can not sanction

4068ac1elhodqr · 30-08-2020 8:21pm

Could well simply signify (unelected) technocrats and advisors, that directly influence policy (e.g. sage committie).

These folks could be subject to other external actors/orgs including direct profiteering (e.g. pharmaceutical industry). A prime example would be the uk's Neil Ferguson chap (ex-Prof at ICL), who time and time again got his 'doomsday figures' wrong.

For covid, Prof Lockdown estimated '1/2m to perish' just in the uk. a modest 1/4m, even with mitigation (lockdown etc).
Many folks fell for this projection, after all who are simple folks to question the great Prof.

He was only caught out after breaking his own policy influenced guidelines, to head off on a drive, for a bit of a 'swinging romp' miles and mies away from his residence during (peak) lockdown, and thus resigned.

He has been entangled in public controversy before – his modelling work on both swine flu^ in 2009 and, before that, the foot-and-mouth outbreak in 2001 (culled 6m sheep/cattle: 'carnage by computer').

One of his models predicted that in the worst-case scenario 65,000 people in the UK could die of ^H1N1 swine flu — the actual figure was no greater than 500). Then before that CJD wave2, which has barely registered any cases at all, since his forecasts.

The more drama and exaggeration he pushed - the more attention and funding was given internationals such as WHO, Gavi, Gates & Co.
Classic Problem-Reation-Solution stuff.

The Nal · 31-08-2020 12:39pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

A deep state in Ireland does not influence affairs inside other countries around the world. US/ Deep state superpower is dangerous. Deep state people are often retired intelligence officials, big business heads, corporations with influence, wealthy donors/ rich businessmen from different countries or states who are not elected by the people, but can potentially corrupt leaders with money to side with them against the people interests and concerns. This is is very common despite the denials.

Theres nothing to deny. Above is the is the most vague fact free waffle you could ever wish to read.

enno99 · 31-08-2020 3:32pm

The Nal wrote: »

Theres nothing to deny. Above is the is the most vague fact free waffle you could ever wish to read.

https://www.amazon.com/American-Deep-State-Democracy-Library/dp/1442214244

This provocative book makes a compelling case for a hidden “deep state” that influences and often opposes official U.S. policies. Prominent political analyst Peter Dale Scott begins by tracing America’s increasing militarization, restrictions on constitutional rights, and income disparity since the Vietnam War. He argues that a significant role in this historic reversal was the intervention of a series of structural deep events, ranging from the assassination of President Kennedy to 9/11. He does not attempt to resolve the controversies surrounding these events, but he shows their significant points in common, ranging from overlapping personnel and modes of operation to shared sources of funding. Behind all of these commonalities is what Scott calls the deep state: a second order of government, behind the public or constitutional state, that has grown considerably stronger since World War II. He marshals convincing evidence that the deep state is partly institutionalized in non-accountable intelligence agencies like the CIA and NSA, but it also includes private corporations like Booz Allen Hamilton and SAIC, to which 70 percent of intelligence budgets are outsourced. Behind these public and private institutions is the traditional influence of Wall Street bankers and lawyers, allied with international oil companies beyond the reach of domestic law. With the importance of Gulf states like Saudi Arabia to oil markets, American defense companies, and Wall Street itself, this essential book shows that there is now a supranational deep state, sometimes demonstrably opposed to both White House policies and the American public interest.

Snowden worked for all three

About the author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dale_Scott

A son of the Canadian poet and constitutional lawyer F. R. Scott and painter Marian Dale Scott, he is best known for his critiques of deep politics and American foreign policy since the era of the Vietnam War. Although trained as a political scientist, Scott holds an atypical academic appointment as a poet-scholar in an English department.

enno99 · 31-08-2020 3:52pm

King Mob wrote: »

Good thing no one argued that.

What would be utterly puerile nonsense would be something like people arguing that there is no relationship at all between deep state conspiracy theories, their origin and the racists who do believe in it.
Also the suggest that some (or all) examples of people who do believe in both the deep state and jewish conspiracies, are in fact fakes employed to discredit real believers.

https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups

Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups” which spread what he views as false and damaging “conspiracy theories” about the government.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

Israel to pay students to defend it online

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel is looking to hire university students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks — without needing to identify themselves as government-linked, officials said Wednesday.
The Israeli prime minister's office said in a statement that students on Israeli university campuses would receive full or partial scholarships to combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel online. It said students' messages would parallel statements by government officials.

And this type of stuff seems to be effective

Posters on the Shadowgate thread who didnt watch the video;)
just read the comments OPPs antisemites are here RED FLAG dont go there

Cheerful Spring2 · 31-08-2020 3:56pm

enno99 wrote: »

https://www.amazon.com/American-Deep-State-Democracy-Library/dp/1442214244

Snowden worked for all three

About the author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dale_Scott

A son of the Canadian poet and constitutional lawyer F. R. Scott and painter Marian Dale Scott, he is best known for his critiques of deep politics and American foreign policy since the era of the Vietnam War. Although trained as a political scientist, Scott holds an atypical academic appointment as a poet-scholar in an English department.

Check out that book, is right up my alley.

King Mob · 31-08-2020 3:58pm

enno99 wrote: »

Israel to pay students to defend it online

And this type of stuff seems to be effective

Posters on the Shadowgate thread who didnt watch the video;)
just read the comments OPPs antisemites are here RED FLAG dont go there

So just to confirm, you are indeed saying that any and all racists who share your conspiracy beliefs are in fact Israeli agents sent to discredit your beliefs?

Ok....

enno99 · 31-08-2020 4:01pm

King Mob wrote: »

So just to confirm, you are indeed saying that any and all racists who share your conspiracy beliefs are in fact Israeli agents sent to discredit your beliefs?

Ok....

No carry on

enno99 · 31-08-2020 4:07pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Check out that book, is right up my alley.

He came up here many times over the years
Videos of talks and interviews long time members would familiar with his ideas

Deep state

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