Deep state

enno99

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/22/my-discussion-with-john-durhams-lead-investigator-william-aldenberg/#more-198229

On Tuesday August 18th, I had the opportunity to talk to, be interviewed by, and brief the person described as the “main guy”, the “central investigator”, “the guy who coordinates all investigative aspects” behind the John Durham investigation.

All of the direct evidence of this series of events, and a lot more not in this written summary, is included in a series of public documents release
d over a period of about twelve months. Because the documents were released out of sequence and seemingly disconnected no-one caught on to the backstory.

This evidence was directly provided to special investigator William Aldenberg who was very apt at asking questions as each document was reviewed. By the end of our discussion there were no questions remaining; and none of it was based on supposition, innuendo, speculation or inference.

Mr. Aldenberg could not affirm or attest to the implications of the information as provided; however, he did accept the briefing was clear and articulately grounded on the evidence within the documents provided.

Great piece by Sundance
well worth reading

Earlier posts
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/10/status-update-meet-at-the-old-mill-we-ride-at-midnight/#more-197763

If no progress is made by this Friday 5pm, CTH will first share the name of the primary Durham investigator to media previously briefed on the documents we assembled. From there, and within 24 hrs, we will make that name public and direct inquiries can begin.

Clinesmith was charged on the friday guess he didnt think it was enough he released the name

You can so clearly see bill aldenberg is a lizard Person he barely fits inside that human skin he is wearing

enno99

Deleted User wrote: »

You can so clearly see bill aldenberg is a lizard Person he barely fits inside that human skin he is wearing

Glad the schools are opening again

namloc1980

Isn't the "deep state" basically like the senior civil servants in Ireland. Unelected bureaucrats who run 99% of state and government business and generally move at their own pace and priorities, with a veneer of the ruling Government over the top. Sure we've been dealing with the deep state for years.

enno99

namloc1980 wrote: »

Isn't the "deep state" basically like the senior civil servants in Ireland. Unelected bureaucrats who run 99% of state and government business and generally move at their own pace and priorities, with a veneer of the ruling Government over the top. Sure we've been dealing with the deep state for years.

Yea sounds benign dont it
Try removing the trough the have their noses buried in and see their reaction

namloc1980

enno99 wrote: »

Yea sounds benign dont it
Try removing the trough the have their noses buried in and see their reaction

An entrenched civil service or "deep state" is actually an important component of a functioning and peaceful democracy. Ok they're frustrating to deal with and slow but their slow moving nature and deep understanding of governance means they can blunt and slow down extremist policies from being implemented. That's why in authoritarian regimes senior bureaucrats get purged and replaced by those sympathetic to the regime. It makes it much easier to implement policies by having regime people in place.

Look at the UK. Cummings and Boris wanted to root out the senior civil service because they saw them as barriers to implementing their plans.

enno99

namloc1980 wrote: »

An entrenched civil service or "deep state" is actually an important component of a functioning and peaceful democracy. Ok they're frustrating to deal with and slow but their slow moving nature and deep understanding of governance means they can blunt and slow down extremist policies from being implemented. That's why in authoritarian regimes senior bureaucrats get purged and replaced by those sympathetic to the regime. It makes it much easier to implement policies by having regime people in place.

Look at the UK. Cummings and Boris wanted to root out the senior civil service because they saw them as barriers to implementing their plans.

Exactly unelected officials undermining the Government elected by the Citizens
why have a Government at all just let the unelected bureaucrats have free reign
save a few quid in wages

enno99

There are trillions at stake

A very good read if your interested
This guy knows his stuff

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/28/the-bloom-is-off-the-ruse-tom-donohue-and-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-announce-support-for-far-left-democrats-in-2020/

namloc1980

enno99 wrote: »

Exactly unelected officials undermining the Government elected by the Citizens
why have a Government at all just let the unelected bureaucrats have free reign
save a few quid in wages

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

SlowMotion321

namloc1980 wrote: »

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

The worry is though that they can act with impunity and avoid any repercussions, who watches them?

enno99

namloc1980 wrote: »

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

They are supposed to implement the policies of the government of the day whithin the law
if its unlawful they should expose it
if the just disagree with them they should resign

And deep state has a darker meaning in this instance Intelligence .congress. DOJ etc working together to take down a President

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

That is their job. Their not supposed to be political or be slaves to the government of the day. Cant believe this has to be pointed out to be honest. Civics badly needs to be taught in school.

I think the deep state are more like a shadowy cabal of people who have various neferious goals, depending on the conspiracy theorist.

A lot of the time now, "deep state" is just a different name for "the Jews".

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

I think the deep state are more like a shadowy cabal of people who have various neferious goals, depending on the conspiracy theorist.

A lot of the time now, "deep state" is just a different name for "the Jews".

Infantile innuendo

I guess you haven't Alex Jones to hide behind LOL

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Infantile innuendo

I guess you haven't Alex Jones to hide behind LOL

Sorry I forgot.
Anyone promoting or claiming a racist idea like that is obviously a fake government plant to discredit real conspiracy theorists.
My bad. Wouldn't want to make conspiracy theorists look silly.

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Sorry I forgot.
Anyone promoting or claiming a racist idea like that is obviously a fake government plant to discredit real conspiracy theorists.
My bad. Wouldn't want to make conspiracy theorists look silly.

WTF are you smoking

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

WTF are you smoking

But that's something you claimed previously, right?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

But that's something you claimed previously, right?

How Sad you cant address the topic so you resort to this bull***

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

How Sad you cant address the topic so you resort to this bull***

I did. I pointed out that I don't agree with namloc's idea that the deep state are actually just civil servants as viewed through the lens of ignorant internet conspiracy theorists.

I stated that a lot of conspiracy theorists see the deep state being more than that and being more sinister than anything those civil servants could do.
I also point out that a lot of conspiracy theorists also subscribe to ideas like the Jews are secretly controlling the deep state.

You took offense to this for some reason.

I also pointed out your bizarre belief that any racist conspiracy theorists aren't real and they are in fact government plants.

Are you saying that no genuine conspiracy theorists believe that the Jews secretly control the US government?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

I did. I pointed out that I don't agree with namloc's idea that the deep state are actually just civil servants as viewed through the lens of ignorant internet conspiracy theorists.

I stated that a lot of conspiracy theorists see the deep state being more than that and being more sinister than anything those civil servants could do.
I also point out that a lot of conspiracy theorists also subscribe to ideas like the

You took offense to this for some reason.

I also pointed out your bizarre belief that any racist conspiracy theorists aren't real and they are in fact government plants.

Are you saying that no genuine conspiracy theorists believe that the Jews secretly control the US government?

And the title of the thread i posted was deep state
like i said infantile innuendo your fooling no one

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

And the title of the thread i posted was deep state

Yup. And that's what I posted about.

enno99 wrote: »

like i said infantile innuendo your fooling no one

What innuendo are you talking about?

I think this is another case of you inferring things that aren't there in a rush to misrepresent.

nullzero

The notion of the deepstate is rooted in the idea that there is a form of collusion behind the "facade" of government.

To say that this idea is inherently anti-semitic is not a reasonable argument to make. Anyone making such an argument would in point of fact be attempting to discredit the notion of the deepstate by using emotive means to do so, as opposed to using deductive reasoning to refute the central point of the argument.

I personally don't have much interest in this topic, but seeing something immediately boiled down to anti-semitism with nothing other than opinion for evidence (and citing some right wing nut jobs who also believe in the deep state whilst hating Jewish people isn't evidence that the entire notion of the deepstate is rooted in anti-semitism before we begin to see a rash of links to display such content).

Such utterly puerile nonsense is hardly a surprise here however.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

To say that this idea is inherently anti-semitic is not a reasonable argument to make.

Good thing no one argued that.

What would be utterly puerile nonsense would be something like people arguing that there is no relationship at all between deep state conspiracy theories, their origin and the racists who do believe in it.
Also the suggest that some (or all) examples of people who do believe in both the deep state and jewish conspiracies, are in fact fakes employed to discredit real believers.

Cheerful Spring2

A deep state in Ireland does not influence affairs inside other countries around the world. US/ Deep state superpower is dangerous. Deep state people are often retired intelligence officials, big business heads, corporations with influence, wealthy donors/ rich businessmen from different countries or states who are not elected by the people, but can potentially corrupt leaders with money to side with them against the people interests and concerns. This is is very common despite the denials.

A shadow government is similar to the deep state, but its a very old power that controls everything in the background, they are people more powerful than the US president. If US president requested access to the Roswell craft, if it exists :)the shadow government can deny him entry there that powerful and can refuse the established government.

Elements of the shadow power are also entangled in doing the 9/11 attack and repressing the JFK murder evidences, overthrowing hostile regimes, around the world, and human trafficking, money laundering, gun running, you name it the things the open government public government can not sanction

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Could well simply signify (unelected) technocrats and advisors, that directly influence policy (e.g. sage committie).

These folks could be subject to other external actors/orgs including direct profiteering (e.g. pharmaceutical industry). A prime example would be the uk's Neil Ferguson chap (ex-Prof at ICL), who time and time again got his 'doomsday figures' wrong.

For covid, Prof Lockdown estimated '1/2m to perish' just in the uk. a modest 1/4m, even with mitigation (lockdown etc).
Many folks fell for this projection, after all who are simple folks to question the great Prof.

He was only caught out after breaking his own policy influenced guidelines, to head off on a drive, for a bit of a 'swinging romp' miles and mies away from his residence during (peak) lockdown, and thus resigned.

He has been entangled in public controversy before – his modelling work on both swine flu^ in 2009 and, before that, the foot-and-mouth outbreak in 2001 (culled 6m sheep/cattle: 'carnage by computer').

One of his models predicted that in the worst-case scenario 65,000 people in the UK could die of ^H1N1 swine flu — the actual figure was no greater than 500). Then before that CJD wave2, which has barely registered any cases at all, since his forecasts.

The more drama and exaggeration he pushed - the more attention and funding was given internationals such as WHO, Gavi, Gates & Co.
Classic Problem-Reation-Solution stuff.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

A deep state in Ireland does not influence affairs inside other countries around the world. US/ Deep state superpower is dangerous. Deep state people are often retired intelligence officials, big business heads, corporations with influence, wealthy donors/ rich businessmen from different countries or states who are not elected by the people, but can potentially corrupt leaders with money to side with them against the people interests and concerns. This is is very common despite the denials.

Theres nothing to deny. Above is the is the most vague fact free waffle you could ever wish to read.

enno99

The Nal wrote: »

Theres nothing to deny. Above is the is the most vague fact free waffle you could ever wish to read.

https://www.amazon.com/American-Deep-State-Democracy-Library/dp/1442214244

This provocative book makes a compelling case for a hidden “deep state” that influences and often opposes official U.S. policies. Prominent political analyst Peter Dale Scott begins by tracing America’s increasing militarization, restrictions on constitutional rights, and income disparity since the Vietnam War. He argues that a significant role in this historic reversal was the intervention of a series of structural deep events, ranging from the assassination of President Kennedy to 9/11. He does not attempt to resolve the controversies surrounding these events, but he shows their significant points in common, ranging from overlapping personnel and modes of operation to shared sources of funding. Behind all of these commonalities is what Scott calls the deep state: a second order of government, behind the public or constitutional state, that has grown considerably stronger since World War II. He marshals convincing evidence that the deep state is partly institutionalized in non-accountable intelligence agencies like the CIA and NSA, but it also includes private corporations like Booz Allen Hamilton and SAIC, to which 70 percent of intelligence budgets are outsourced. Behind these public and private institutions is the traditional influence of Wall Street bankers and lawyers, allied with international oil companies beyond the reach of domestic law. With the importance of Gulf states like Saudi Arabia to oil markets, American defense companies, and Wall Street itself, this essential book shows that there is now a supranational deep state, sometimes demonstrably opposed to both White House policies and the American public interest.

Snowden worked for all three

About the author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dale_Scott

A son of the Canadian poet and constitutional lawyer F. R. Scott and painter Marian Dale Scott, he is best known for his critiques of deep politics and American foreign policy since the era of the Vietnam War. Although trained as a political scientist, Scott holds an atypical academic appointment as a poet-scholar in an English department.

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Good thing no one argued that.

What would be utterly puerile nonsense would be something like people arguing that there is no relationship at all between deep state conspiracy theories, their origin and the racists who do believe in it.
Also the suggest that some (or all) examples of people who do believe in both the deep state and jewish conspiracies, are in fact fakes employed to discredit real believers.

https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups

Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups” which spread what he views as false and damaging “conspiracy theories” about the government.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

Israel to pay students to defend it online

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel is looking to hire university students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks — without needing to identify themselves as government-linked, officials said Wednesday.
The Israeli prime minister's office said in a statement that students on Israeli university campuses would receive full or partial scholarships to combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel online. It said students' messages would parallel statements by government officials.

And this type of stuff seems to be effective

Posters on the Shadowgate thread who didnt watch the video;)
just read the comments OPPs antisemites are here RED FLAG dont go there

Cheerful Spring2

enno99 wrote: »

https://www.amazon.com/American-Deep-State-Democracy-Library/dp/1442214244


Snowden worked for all three

About the author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dale_Scott

A son of the Canadian poet and constitutional lawyer F. R. Scott and painter Marian Dale Scott, he is best known for his critiques of deep politics and American foreign policy since the era of the Vietnam War. Although trained as a political scientist, Scott holds an atypical academic appointment as a poet-scholar in an English department.

Check out that book, is right up my alley.

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Israel to pay students to defend it online

And this type of stuff seems to be effective

Posters on the Shadowgate thread who didnt watch the video;)
just read the comments OPPs antisemites are here RED FLAG dont go there

So just to confirm, you are indeed saying that any and all racists who share your conspiracy beliefs are in fact Israeli agents sent to discredit your beliefs?

Ok....

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

So just to confirm, you are indeed saying that any and all racists who share your conspiracy beliefs are in fact Israeli agents sent to discredit your beliefs?

Ok....

No carry on

enno99

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Check out that book, is right up my alley.

He came up here many times over the years
Videos of talks and interviews long time members would familiar with his ideas

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

But that's something you claimed previously, right?

You could quote me

Maybe they were plants in the comments to keep sensitive souls like yourself from watching it :rolleyes:

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

You could quote me

Ok. So according to you at least some are genuine?

How much, percentage wise, of the antisemites who share your conspiracy views are in fact secret Israeli plants sent to discredit you?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So according to you at least some are genuine?

How much, percentage wise, of the antisemites who share your conspiracy views are in fact secret Israeli plants sent to discredit you?

hahaha Nazi, Antisemite getting thrown around here a lot lately

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adnazium.html

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

hahaha Nazi, Antisemite getting thrown around here a lot lately

You're dodging the question.
I'm not accusing anyone here of being a nazi or an antisemite.
However, antisemites share some of your conspiracy ideas.
You claimed that a portion of these antisemites are in fact Israeli agents who are attempting to discredit your conspiracy ideas.

So again: of the antisemites who share your beliefs, how many are actually Jewish/Israeli spies sent out by the shadow government that secretly controls everything?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

You're dodging the question.
I'm not accusing anyone here of being a nazi or an antisemite.
However, antisemites share some of your conspiracy ideas.
You claimed that a portion of these antisemites are in fact Israeli agents who are attempting to discredit your conspiracy ideas.

So again: of the antisemites who share your beliefs, how many are actually Jewish/Israeli spies sent out by the shadow government that secretly controls everything?

Qoute any claims I made

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Qoute any claims I made

You claimed it here:
Maybe they were plants in the comments to keep sensitive souls like yourself from watching it

So you are now saying that none of the antisemites who share your views are fake and they were all real?

If that's the case, why did you then suggest that they may be, and in defense of that, post links claiming that Israel was making fake accounts?

Israel to pay students to defend it online

Quote:
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel is looking to hire university students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks — without needing to identify themselves as government-linked, officials said Wednesday.
The Israeli prime minister's office said in a statement that students on Israeli university campuses would receive full or partial scholarships to combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel online. It said students' messages would parallel statements by government officials.
And this type of stuff seems to be effective

You're kind of contradicting yourself...

It would be easiest if you just directly answer the question you keep dodging.
Of the antisemites who share your views, how many are secretly Jewish spies trying to discredit your beliefs?
100%? 60%? 0%?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

So you are now saying that none of the antisemites who share your views are fake and they were all real?

If that's the case, why did you then suggest that they may be, and in defense of that, post links claiming that Israel was making fake accounts?



You're kind of contradicting yourself...

It would be easiest if you just directly answer the question you keep dodging.
Of the antisemites who share your views, how many are secretly Jewish spies trying to discredit your beliefs?
100%? 60%? 0%?

HaHaHa you are desperately trying to equate Conspiracy Theorists with Antisemites

Another thread you want to disrupt with gibberish
Ignoring the OP as to how a high ranking Senator was in engaged in a coup to oust a president

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

HaHaHa you are desperately trying to equate Conspiracy Theorists with Antisemites

Again, you are misrepresenting my position and running away from points you can't address.

I'm not equating all conspiracy theorists with antisemites.
However, antisemites share many conspiracy theory beliefs with you.

In response to this, you claimed that some(/many/all?) of these were fake and were really just government plants sent to discredit your conspiracy beliefs. Then to substantiate this you pointed to accusations that Israel were funding things like this.

It's not exactly a good look...

enno99

Maybe they were plants in the comments to keep sensitive souls like yourself from watching it:rolleyes:

Sarcasm refers to the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say, especially in order to insult someone, or to show irritation,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

You conveniently ignored the rolly eyes thing so you can babble on trying to be clever

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Sarcasm refers to the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say, especially in order to insult someone, or to show irritation,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

You conveniently ignored the rolly eyes thing so you can babble on trying to be clever

Oh ok. You were just joking. Sorry it's hard to tell when people genuninely claim that. And when folks accuse me of being one of those government paid posters.

So where you also being sarcastic when you posted this in response to me highlighting that idea?:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/w...media/2651715/

Israel to pay students to defend it online

Quote:
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel is looking to hire university students to post pro-Israel messages on social media networks — without needing to identify themselves as government-linked, officials said Wednesday.
The Israeli prime minister's office said in a statement that students on Israeli university campuses would receive full or partial scholarships to combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel online. It said students' messages would parallel statements by government officials.

And this type of stuff seems to be effective

And so just to confirm, you don't believe that any of the antisemities who share your conspiracy beliefs are actually agents of any government.
Is that correct?

enno99

Anyway here is an article about SAIC another one mentioned in the Peter Dale Scott book

WASHINGTON’S $8 BILLION SHADOW

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/03/spyagency200703

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Oh ok. You were just joking. Sorry it's hard to tell when people genuninely claim that. And when folks accuse me of being one of those government paid posters.

So where you also being sarcastic when you posted this in response to me highlighting that idea?:



And so just to confirm, you don't believe that any of the antisemities who share your conspiracy beliefs are actually agents of any government.
Is that correct?

Which i didnt take it up with whomever did

On the contrary I posted 2 links to show that it is all to real that governments and others employ these tactics

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

On the contrary I posted 2 links to show that it is all to real that governments and others employ these tactics

Ok. So now you're going back to claiming that a portion of the antisemites who share your beliefs are in fact Israeli spies...

Ok... Wish you'd make up your mind or just state your belief clearly and directly...

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So now you're going back to claiming that a portion of the antisemites who share your beliefs are in fact Israeli spies...

Ok... Wish you'd make up your mind or just state your belief clearly and directly...

Utter nonsense your like a broken record

Are you saying these tactics are not used by governments

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Utter nonsense your like a broken record

I wouldn't have to repeat myself so often if you guys just addressed points directly, concisely and honestly.

Again, you can just state your belief clearly and clear up the confusion you've caused with your claims about Israeli spies and your denials about the anti-Semitism in conspiracy theory circles...

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Good thing no one argued that.

What would be utterly puerile nonsense would be something like people arguing that there is no relationship at all between deep state conspiracy theories, their origin and the racists who do believe in it.
Also the suggest that some (or all) examples of people who do believe in both the deep state and jewish conspiracies, are in fact fakes employed to discredit real believers.

I got the impression that you didnt believe it was going on
so i posted 2 links
Hope that clear it up for you
Though i doubt it

LOL

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

I wouldn't have to repeat myself so often if you guys just addressed points directly, concisely and honestly.

Again, you can just state your belief clearly and clear up the confusion you've caused with your claims about Israeli spies and your denials about the anti-Semitism in conspiracy theory circles...

Start a thread about it im not interested in answering your BS

enno99

Sen. Warner: DNI Ratcliffe is trying to 'limit the flow of information'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-warner-dni-ratcliffe-is-trying-to-limit-the-flow-of-information/vi-BB18ysWS

LOL Warner the alleged leaker pissed of about not being able to leak

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

I got the impression that you didnt believe it was going on
so i posted 2 links
Hope that clear it up for you
Though i doubt it

LOL

Ok so you actually are suggesting that some of the anti-Semites who believe in the deep state et al are actually Israeli agents employed to discredit you guys.

Cool. Round about way to actually clarify your stance, but ok.

enno99

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAcPJOYtYR4

Restoration PAC founder Doug Truax interviews former Acting DNI Richard “Ric” Grenell about his RNC speech and details surrounding the intelligence community perspective on “Spygate” surveillance.

In this segment Ric Grenell explains the current challenges and issues that confront current DNI John Ratcliffe and gives a more in depth background about the people and processes.

More Deep State

Jack Cashill Discusses Flynn Targeting Contrast Against Obama’s Agenda and Current Challenge For DOJ and AG Bill Barr…


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/page/2/

Author Jack Cashill shares a great perspective on the current political dynamics as contrast against a history of DOJ, FBI and CIA operations. In the fist eight minutes of the interview Cashill outlines the challenge to AG Bill Barr considering that 96 percent of the DC population supported Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Cashill surmises that any actual evidence against the officials who were involved in operations against Donald Trump will likely have to wait until after the election due to the overall DC sentiment to diminish any outcome as politically motivated. Additionally, the entire functional apparatus of the DOJ is “entirely loaded with operatives” who protect the administrative state. [Cashill Website Here]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcBNU9ht6a8

How The CIA Used The Media to Ensnare Michael Flynn

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/29/how-the-cia-used-the-media-to-ensnare-michael-flynn/

The co-conspirators started publicly setting the trap with a February 2016 Reuters article teasingly titled, “Trump being advised by ex-U.S. Lieutenant General who favors closer Russia ties.” https://reut.rs/2EwzoEL This was a bold gambit. As recently as July 2015 Obama was telling Tom Friedman of the New York Times, “We would have not achieved this [Iran nuclear] agreement had it not been for Russia’s willingness to stick with us and the other P5-Plus members in insisting on a strong deal.” https://nyti.ms/3jaDTnz

Obama praised Putin a year after Putin annexed the Crimea. That invasion was so much water under the bridge for Obama but apparently not for Flynn. Just months later, it was considered newsworthy that Flynn would advise Trump to “work more closely with Russia to resolve global security issues.”