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fullstop · 20-09-2020 10:57pm

The Green Book has to go. Infuriating watching Bryson and his caddy talk about a 10 foot putt for 2 mins when he’s 4 or 5 ahead

irish bloke · 20-09-2020 10:58pm

I like him, i like his scientific approach, I like his long game, I like his short game touch and his putting...
I like the fact he just says what hes thinking as that's just his analytic mind working overtime..

He dared to change the game with the one length irons and then the funny putting stroke and now with the strength game... top class...

Go Bryson...........

HighLine · 20-09-2020 11:01pm

Gotta give him credit as much as I dislike him, a hugely deserved and impressive win.

Such a shame the USGA/R&A caved by not banning those green books.

irish bloke · 20-09-2020 11:03pm

HighLine wrote: »

Gotta give him credit as much as I dislike him, a hugely deserved and impressive win.

Such a shame the USGA/R&A caved by not banning those green books.

Dosent matter, they all had them so field was the same...

Different class..

Augme · 20-09-2020 11:05pm

He's clearly very slow but his style is fascinating. I do feel the tv producers need to shoulder a good portion of the blame though in terms of killing the entertainment. When there was plenty of other players on the course I have no idea why they felt the need to constantly show Byrson consulting his notebook, standing over a shot for ages etc. Don't really understand why they didn't just cut to him when he was going to play his shot instead of insisting on show the long, drawn out build up.

HighLine · 20-09-2020 11:05pm

irish bloke wrote: »

Dosent matter, they all had them so field was the same...

Different class..

Never said otherwise.

DJIMI TRARORE · 20-09-2020 11:06pm

The only player to break par today,not everyones cup of tea but some achievment, Masters next?

Deeper Blue · 20-09-2020 11:09pm

Do they really need the cameras there when he's talking to his parents? Surely that should be private, I remember it was the same when Willett won the Masters

irish bloke · 20-09-2020 11:09pm

Augme wrote: »

He's clearly very slow but his style is fascinating. I do feel the tv producers need to shoulder a good portion of the blame though in terms of killing the entertainment. When there was plenty of other players on the course I have no idea why they felt the need to constantly show Byrson consulting his notebook, standing over a shot for ages etc. Don't really understand why they didn't just cut to him when he was going to play his shot instead of insisting on show the long, drawn out build up.

Agree... loads of good golf they could have shown instead of making a reality TV show out of Bryson... Pity because I believe he is oblivious to it all and is a top class golfer...

irish bloke · 20-09-2020 11:15pm

Berties_Horse wrote: »

People keep beating that term into the ground. I'm not buying it. A man who is meticulous over small details, yes.

His attitude on the course leaves a lot to be desired. I'll be tuning out if greeted by repeated shots of him arguing with rules officials and labouring for an age over short putts.

It will be a demerit to golf if kids seek to emulate his power game, moreover his lofty air of entitlement.

That's the TV trying to get air time with a camera stuck in his face. Plenty of golfers throughout history a lot nastier and moodier then him.

Actually think he's a decent guy off the course its just that he's so determined to change the game and good luck to him.

As far as the kids watching him, there are far worse off role models then him out there...

Borgo · 20-09-2020 11:25pm

I dont get at all the hate here and across social media for Bryson tonight. Whats the big deal? Just because hes a big lad and smashes it? So what? He believes in something different and has done well with it tonight. Not many thought he could dont forget. He may be not everyone's cup of tea, but he deserves credit. I like that hes different. Great performance. Fair play to him.

Remind me · 20-09-2020 11:35pm

El Sueño wrote: »

Do they really need the cameras there when he's talking to his parents? Surely that should be private, I remember it was the same when Willett won the Masters

If they want the call to be private do it in the locker room.

He was very impressive this evening. Good luck to him but his attitude and slow play do my head in.

sky88 · 20-09-2020 11:36pm

I like Bryson he’s definitely far too slow but it’s up to the governing bodies to sort that side out but I enjoy his actual play and his running commentary

eagle eye · 20-09-2020 11:55pm

If you asked me to pick two players that I don't want to win you get an automatic answer, 1. Patrick Reed 2. Bryson DeChambeau.
If you asked me for three I'd struggle to think of a third.
Reed is a cheat, DeChambeau is unmannerly, thumps his clubs off the ground with temper on occasion, even on the green, and is so slow.
When DeChambeau came along I liked him because he was different but not anymore for the reasons mentioned above.

Loafing Oaf · 21-09-2020 12:22am

eagle eye wrote: »

Reed is a chest

He is a big-boned lad alright...

eagle eye · 21-09-2020 12:46am

Loafing Oaf wrote:

He is a big-boned lad alright...

Lol, he certainly is

Glenbhoy · 21-09-2020 12:57am

eagle eye wrote: »

Lol, he certainly is

Actually isn't, i followed him round portrush (golf course, wasn't stalking him) and he's actually quite slight, the camera truly adds 20lbs. A lot of the other guys who you think are fairly well put together, the likes of stenson (particularly stood out) are bean poles, not a pick on them. Shane was, well, ahem, who cares, the champion!!!

Glenbhoy · 21-09-2020 1:03am

irish bloke wrote: »

Agree... loads of good golf they could have shown instead of making a reality TV show out of Bryson... Pity because I believe he is oblivious to it all and is a top class golfer...

If there had been more guys in contention then yes, as was, did we really care if dj made a par on 16 or whatever, i didnt, but then he's not on my fantasy teams, neither was bryson!
The PGA was different class in terms of pure drama, lead changing and guys who could have won. This was very different, only 2 really had a chance.

byronbay2 · 21-09-2020 1:18am

Lots of people in the PGA going to be bricking themselves tonight! If he can win (easily!) at Winged Foot, with tight (25 yard wide) fairways, horrifically deep rough, massively undulating, rock-hard greens and terrible pin-placements, he can win ANYWHERE, with his "method"!

Can't believe he was never warned or put on the clock tonight. He seemed to be playing unbelievably slowly, almost "f*ck you" slowly!

If he can take Winged Foot apart, he will DESTROY Augusta! Can the PGA Bryson-proof it in time for The Masters??

Denny61 · 21-09-2020 1:24am

byronbay2 wrote: »

Lots of people in the PGA going to be bricking themselves tonight! If he can win (easily!) at Winged Foot, with tight (25 yard wide) fairways, horrifically deep rough, massively undulating, rock-hard greens and terrible pin-placements, he can win ANYWHERE, with his "method"!

Can't believe he was never warned or put on the clock tonight. He seemed to be playing unbelievably slowly, almost "f*ck you" slowly!

If he can take Winged Foot apart, he will DESTROY Augusta! Can the PGA Bryson-proof it in time for The Masters??

BRICKING..HORRIFICALLY..F**K DESTROY..Jesus golf really excites you..take a chill pill mate lol.

redarmy · 21-09-2020 1:26am

Rory on Bryson: "I think it's brilliant, but I think he's taken advantage of where the game is at the minute. ... With the way he approaches it, arm-lock putting, everything. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. He's just taking advantage of what we have right now."

byronbay2 · 21-09-2020 1:33am

Denny61 wrote: »

BRICKING..HORRIFICALLY..F**K DESTROY..Jesus golf really excites you..take a chill pill mate lol.

You need to re-read my post, "destroy" was the only one of those 4 words that I capitalised. You are the one who seems to be getting over-stimulated: bed time maybe?

Denny61 · 21-09-2020 1:35am

byronbay2 wrote: »

You need to re-read my post, "destroy" was the only one of those 4 words that I capitalised. You are the one who seems to be getting over-stimulated: bed time maybe?

lol.lol.

21-09-2020 1:54am

byronbay2 wrote: »

Lots of people in the PGA going to be bricking themselves tonight! If he can win (easily!) at Winged Foot, with tight (25 yard wide) fairways, horrifically deep rough, massively undulating, rock-hard greens and terrible pin-placements, he can win ANYWHERE, with his "method"!

Can't believe he was never warned or put on the clock tonight. He seemed to be playing unbelievably slowly, almost "f*ck you" slowly!

If he can take Winged Foot apart, he will DESTROY Augusta! Can the PGA Bryson-proof it in time for The Masters??

Wing foot suits his style tbf augusta wont it'll suit the elite iron players more not to say he cant win there but the fairways are much more generous and bomb and gouge aint a viable option there, his length will always help of course but his irons are muck.

Open parklands with little trees are bread and butter to his game

Deeper Blue · 21-09-2020 1:56am

byronbay2 wrote: »

Lots of people in the PGA going to be bricking themselves tonight! If he can win (easily!) at Winged Foot, with tight (25 yard wide) fairways, horrifically deep rough, massively undulating, rock-hard greens and terrible pin-placements, he can win ANYWHERE, with his "method"!

Can't believe he was never warned or put on the clock tonight. He seemed to be playing unbelievably slowly, almost "f*ck you" slowly!

If he can take Winged Foot apart, he will DESTROY Augusta! Can the PGA Bryson-proof it in time for The Masters??

I've seen the argument made by a few people this week that the thick rough is actually an advantage to the bombers as they can hack out with more lofted clubs.

I tend to agree with this and I think the bomber's advantage will be somewhat negated by the non existent Augusta rough.

Mantis Toboggan · 21-09-2020 7:00am

Fair to say he's changed the game of golf. Phenomenal stuff.

valoren · 21-09-2020 7:12am

byronbay2 wrote: »

Lots of people in the PGA going to be bricking themselves tonight! If he can win (easily!) at Winged Foot, with tight (25 yard wide) fairways, horrifically deep rough, massively undulating, rock-hard greens and terrible pin-placements, he can win ANYWHERE, with his "method"!

Can't believe he was never warned or put on the clock tonight. He seemed to be playing unbelievably slowly, almost "f*ck you" slowly!

If he can take Winged Foot apart, he will DESTROY Augusta! Can the PGA Bryson-proof it in time for The Masters??

The Masters committee run that Major. Nothing to do with the PGA tour. They've already made Augusta a US Open-lite course. Watson hitting a wedge for his 2nd into the 13th in 2014 was a harniger for the bomb it type approach BDC has put into play. He's certainly favorite now.

CONSI · 21-09-2020 9:21am

Think the R&A and PGA will have to do something to change things up. The distances are becoming unsustainable but golf companies wont change as technology drives sales, "get the longest driver", "more spin ball" etc etc

Maybe limit the amount of times a player can hit driver in a round....might bring more players into it then...

Stop these stupid 230 yard par 3's (which only benefit the longer hitters)...means iron play becomes more important if they are shorter, stupid seeing pro's having to hit hybrid to a par 3.

rickis tache · 21-09-2020 9:28am

Not a huge fan of Bryson but fair play to him for sticking to his plan.
Plenty including paul mcginley said he'd shoot 5 over everyday with his blast and gouge approach.
Can just see lads thinking the gym and protein shakes will be the way ahead. It's gonna be carnage now with drives sprayed in an attempt to emulate Bryson etc.

finglashoop · 21-09-2020 9:33am

Gym and protein shakes my arse

The_Kew_Tour · 21-09-2020 9:44am

Be interesting to see if any players follow his method over the winter.

Rippeditup · 21-09-2020 9:53am

eagle eye wrote: »

If you asked me to pick two players that I don't want to win you get an automatic answer, 1. Patrick Reed 2. Bryson DeChambeau.
If you asked me for three I'd struggle to think of a third.
Reed is a cheat, DeChambeau is unmannerly, thumps his clubs off the ground with temper on occasion, even on the green, and is so slow.
When DeChambeau came along I liked him because he was different but not anymore for the reasons mentioned above.

Iam no fan of DeChambeau but a lot of players will bang their clubs and curse (Wolff was cursing non stoo the second nine)
I just can't stand the pace of play, its too slow and is the last thing I want to see emulated across younger golfers where 5 hour rounds are a thing..
Grew up and a slow round was 3hr 30 mins and now playing on Sunday and will be 4 hrs plus.

People talk about his length for me his accuracy with the length is the impressive part, DJ, Wolff all hit as long or longer when needs be but this week his short game was the strongest part of his game and yesterday his accuracy when hitting big balls and his putting was on point as was his short game which has not always been the way and this is where the gains are made right now...

I just can't get past the pace of play though, it must be offputting for players also

GreeBo · 21-09-2020 10:26am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Fair to say he's changed the game of golf. Phenomenal stuff.

Has he though?
Is he not just doing the same as Nicklaus, Daly, Woods in the past?

DuckSlice · 21-09-2020 10:27am

Can't wait to see how this 48" driver will work out. When is he next scheduled to play?

GreeBo · 21-09-2020 10:28am

Rippeditup wrote: »

Iam no fan of DeChambeau but a lot of players will bang their clubs and curse (Wolff was cursing non stoo the second nine)
I just can't stand the pace of play, its too slow and is the last thing I want to see emulated across younger golfers where 5 hour rounds are a thing..
Grew up and a slow round was 3hr 30 mins and now playing on Sunday and will be 4 hrs plus.

People talk about his length for me his accuracy with the length is the impressive part, DJ, Wolff all hit as long or longer when needs be but this week his short game was the strongest part of his game and yesterday his accuracy when hitting big balls and his putting was on point as was his short game which has not always been the way and this is where the gains are made right now...

I just can't get past the pace of play though, it must be offputting for players also

The need to ban the greens books, so much time take up farting around on the green.

DuckSlice · 21-09-2020 10:31am

GreeBo wrote: »

The need to ban the greens books, so much time take up farting around on the green.

and the line on the ball.

ThewhiteJesus · 21-09-2020 10:36am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Fair to say he's changed the game of golf. Phenomenal stuff.

It's no different to what tiger did and jack back in the day, Rory koepka and others have also tried the same.
Fair play to him, i don't really like watching him as i'm a purist of the sport but you have to admire his commitment

Rippeditup · 21-09-2020 11:05am

GreeBo wrote: »

The need to ban the greens books, so much time take up farting around on the green.

Yup agree...

Been out for a long time and played most of my golf pre GPS/Laser where we had to walk out yards etc and the game was so so much quicker, I use a watch now and have my yardage right there and for me this kind of info should make the game quicker but if anything people take longer.. I don't get why as think back to us having paper yardage books and having to walk out distances, being offline and you had to guess yardages and again it was quicker.

The green book they study and understand it ahead of time, the "routine" of going over and over it again is a routine intently done rather than needed as a lot of other pro's who have the same info are not taking near as long and are winning.. Wolff, DJ, Rory etc are all fast players with the green book..

abff · 21-09-2020 11:23am

I know that DeChambeau can appear incredibly slow at times, but I didn't get the impression that they were falling significantly behind the group in front of them last night.

GreeBo · 21-09-2020 11:27am

etxp wrote: »

and the line on the ball.

I'm ok with the line on the ball, actually timing them should stop all this nonsense.
The last group were told to hurry up or they would be put on the clock... Just put them on the bloody clock!

Deeper Blue · 21-09-2020 11:27am

Banning the green books is a great idea

I agree the line on the ball needs to go aswell. It's infuriating watching lads taking an extra 20 seconds to readjust the line by a fraction of a degree

DuckSlice · 21-09-2020 11:34am

El Sueño wrote: »

Banning the green books is a great idea

I agree the line on the ball needs to go aswell. It's infuriating watching lads taking an extra 20 seconds to readjust the line by a fraction of a degree

To be fair its probably more in the amateur game it needs to go. Watching lads lining it up and then they blast the putt 10 feet past, or 5 feet wide.

Dayor Knight · 21-09-2020 11:55am

finglashoop wrote: »

Gym and protein shakes my arse

Yes, this has to be talked about. He literally is the elephant in the room right now.

Dayor Knight · 21-09-2020 11:58am

Borgo wrote: »

I dont get at all the hate here and across social media for Bryson tonight. Whats the big deal? Just because hes a big lad and smashes it? So what? He believes in something different and has done well with it tonight. Not many thought he could dont forget. He may be not everyone's cup of tea, but he deserves credit. I like that hes different. Great performance. Fair play to him.

He's a big lad? Well he wasn't six months ago.

PARlance · 21-09-2020 12:17pm

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Yes, this has to be talked about. He literally is the elephant in the room right now.

I gained 1.5 stone in 4 weeks during lockdown and lost it again in the following 4 weeks. It wasn't some experiment to do with my golf, and I've no doubt I could put on as much weight as Bryson if I was actually trying to put on weight.

There could be something more to it, Golf doesn't hold itself up great when it comes to testing... but I don't look at his weight / muscle gain and think there's something suspect tbh. And I'm normally cynical.

AdamD · 21-09-2020 1:00pm

PARlance wrote: »

I gained 1.5 stone in 4 weeks during lockdown and lost it again in the following 4 weeks. It wasn't some experiment to do with my golf, and I've no doubt I could put on as much weight as Bryson if I was actually trying to put on weight.

There could be something more to it, Golf doesn't hold itself up great when it comes to testing... but I don't look at his weight / muscle gain and think there's something suspect tbh. And I'm normally cynical.

You didn't gain 1.5 stone of largely muscle though, its vastly different.

GreeBo · 21-09-2020 1:13pm

AdamD wrote: »

You didn't gain 1.5 stone of largely muscle though, its vastly different.

Did Bryson though?
Or is he saying he did? He doesnt look like all muscle to me at all, not like Koepka for example and he certainly has a little covid belly!

PARlance · 21-09-2020 1:16pm

AdamD wrote: »

You didn't gain 1.5 stone of largely muscle though, its vastly different.

You're telling me!!!!

I'd say Bryson has a couple of handles as well though.

AdamD · 21-09-2020 1:22pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Did Bryson though?
Or is he saying he did? He doesnt look like all muscle to me at all, not like Koepka for example and he certainly has a little covid belly!

His entire body shape has changed and whilst its not all muscle, he absolutely has added a tonne. Look at his upper body shape, he looks like a bodybuilder. Its certainly suspect.

eagle eye · 21-09-2020 1:30pm

AdamD wrote:

His entire body shape has changed and whilst its not all muscle, he absolutely has added a tonne. Look at his upper body shape, he looks like a bodybuilder. Its certainly suspect.

Putting on muscle is not suspect. There are plenty of legal supplements to help you do it quickly.

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