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US Presidential Election 2020

Rjd2 · 2018-07-21 13:45:58

I thought a thread focusing entirely on how the Dems take back the white house might be interesting:o Firstly the obvious, its not a cert that Trump will be president in 2020, but for the sake of the thread we will assume he is and to be fair I assume plenty of the Dems who are in power expect so. So what I want is for…

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#9152 02-11-2020 5:34pm

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duploelabs wrote: »

Tucker, though his own legal defence, would come under the fox entertainment rather than the fox news banner

The ole 'performance art' defence

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#9153 02-11-2020 5:36pm

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UpBack1234 wrote: »

The ole 'performance art' defence

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit against Fox News after lawyers for the network argued that no "reasonable viewer" would take the network's primetime star Tucker Carlson seriously.

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#9154 02-11-2020 5:56pm

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duploelabs wrote: »

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

Tucker Carlson is essentially the court jester.

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#9155 02-11-2020 6:14pm

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Roanmore wrote: »

I remember the US election in 2000, Bush always came across as electable especially when he had his father's organisation around him.
Add in the last 2 years of the Clinton term which was mainly about Monica Lewinsky and only a fool would have written him off.

The bias in Ireland was not so much against the man himself but the hawks behind him who pushed the war agenda.

One big difference is that Gore and Bush were newbies in that there was no incumbent running for reelection.

Seeing that 9/11 happened 8 months into his presidency we will never know what Bush would have been like if 9/11 had not happened.

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#9156 02-11-2020 6:26pm

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partyguinness wrote: »

One big difference is that Gore and Bush were newbies in that there was no incumbent running for reelection.

Seeing that 9/11 happened 8 months into his presidency we will never know what Bush would have been like if 9/11 had not happened.

Well, as President, he was waaay less crooked than Trump. So he's got that going for him. However, he was another 'useful idiot' in that he was surrounded.by hawks and neo-cons who committed huge atrocities (waaay more grevious than Trump's IMO) in relation to Iraq and the Middle East. When history is written, he will be known as a reasonably decent human being who presided over a competent but horrible administration. Trump, on the other hand, will be known as an execrable human being who presided over an incompetent administration that was horrible in its corruption, but waaay more benign in terms of war-mongering abroad. Neither will come out smelling of roses, but if I was to be asked to pick one to sit and have a meal with, I'd take W every time.

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#9157 02-11-2020 6:39pm

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Scenes coming out of the US show businesses boarded up in advance of the election amidst fears of violent post-election turmoil. Jesus, how quickly a so-called 'Great Democracy' has been brought to its knees!

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#9158 02-11-2020 6:46pm

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TomOnBoard wrote: »

Scenes coming out of the US show businesses boarded up in advance of the election amidst fears of violent post-election turmoil. Jesus, how quickly a so-called 'Great Democracy' has been brought to its knees!

The US may be many things but a great democracy that is laughable. It has been IMHO at best an oligarchy for a while now. But it does not surprise me at all this is happening. I think violence is a certainty in the coming days more to my mind the question is how bad will it be not if. The truly scary part is the new president does not get into office until the third week of January so the amount of damage the current president can do between now and then is pretty scary and I have no doubt he will be burning the house down so to speak over the next couple of months as well as probably doing whatever he can to cover up the myriad crimes he has been engaging in the past 4 years IMHO.

Remember the days when the US would be sending observers to various countries to make sure elections were free and fair. Should be the other way around now.

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#9159 02-11-2020 6:47pm

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TomOnBoard wrote: »

Scenes coming out of the US show businesses boarded up in advance of the election amidst fears of violent post-election turmoil. Jesus, how quickly a so-called 'Great Democracy' has been brought to its knees!

The evidence of the US being brought to its knees, is not so much in the businesses being cautious, but in the White House preparing in the same manner with an impenetrable fence being placed around it.

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#9160 02-11-2020 6:56pm

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I think tomorrow’s election will be on the bush vs gore 2000 scale but where is the question. I hope if for no other reason that it might lessen the ****e that trump will pull(it’s happening anyway) that Biden flips a red state so that it might focus the minds of some in the GOP and hopefully there is a bit of momentum towards Biden and the dems.

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#9161 02-11-2020 7:08pm

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https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1323324805060460547

No undecideds, and minimal floating voters.

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#9162 02-11-2020 7:29pm

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An Ciarraioch wrote: »

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1323324805060460547

No undecideds, and minimal floating voters.

https://twitter.com/WClev1075/status/1323325072019464193?s=20

No October surprise effect on undecided voters.

I'd say most Americans knew if they would be voting against Trump by the conclusion of the impeachment.

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#9163 02-11-2020 7:39pm

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Some concerning polls for Biden on the Real Clear Politics Site. 2 showing Trump ahead in Pennsylvania, one showing Trump ahead nationally. I know some are from Rasmussen who normally favour Republicans but I think that they were accurate enough in 2016

General Election: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Biden 48, Trump 47 Biden +1
General Election: Trump vs. Biden vs. vs. Hawkins IBD/TIPP Biden 49, Trump 46, Jorgensen 2, Hawkins 1 Biden +3
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Susquehanna* Biden 48, Trump 49 Trump +1
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 51, Trump 46 Biden +5
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Trafalgar Group (R)* Biden 46, Trump 48 Trump +2
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Monmouth* Biden 51, Trump 44 Biden +7
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Biden 50, Trump 47 Biden +3
Arizona: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 48, Trump 48 Tie
Ohio: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Trump 49, Biden 45 Trump +4

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#9164 02-11-2020 7:49pm

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blackcard wrote: »

Some concerning polls for Biden on the Real Clear Politics Site. 2 showing Trump ahead in Pennsylvania, one showing Trump ahead nationally. I know some are from Rasmussen who normally favour Republicans but I think that they were accurate enough in 2016

General Election: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Biden 48, Trump 47 Biden +1
General Election: Trump vs. Biden vs. vs. Hawkins IBD/TIPP Biden 49, Trump 46, Jorgensen 2, Hawkins 1 Biden +3
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Susquehanna* Biden 48, Trump 49 Trump +1
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 51, Trump 46 Biden +5
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Trafalgar Group (R)* Biden 46, Trump 48 Trump +2
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Monmouth* Biden 51, Trump 44 Biden +7
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Biden 50, Trump 47 Biden +3
Arizona: Trump vs. Biden NBC News/Marist Biden 48, Trump 48 Tie
Ohio: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Trump 49, Biden 45 Trump +4

The Rasmussen poll is a daily poll - It's up and down like crazy every day , it had Biden up by 3 on Friday.

Susquehanna and Trafalgar are both seriously biased - The Head of Trafalgar was on Hannity last night to discuss his PA poll saying that the only way Biden wins is through massive election fraud.

Also - The * beside the poll means that it was paid for by the campaigns so they aren't really independent. The Terms of the polling will have been agreed with the Campaigns.

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#9165 02-11-2020 7:54pm

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It seems to me that Trafalgar are a front for a rigged election. If you're going to rig an election, a prerequisite is having bought and paid for "polling" companies predicting the rigged result.

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#9166 02-11-2020 8:12pm

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##Mod Note##

This thread is getting quite close to the 10k post limit.

We're going to need the head-room over the next few days so moving to a fresh thread a little early in preparation.

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