Orbo goes on demo (sale?) .. breaks physics :-/

Just saw the video on their facebook page. The overview of the "technology" was interesting...am I wrong in thinking that this is completely different to what they were proposing a couple of years back?

If this is a scam, what can they possibly hope to achieve from it?

I presume the controller they showed in the clip was just representative of what they want to do. Similarly, they don't seem to have an actual packaged phone yet, just mock up images to get people to pre-order.

Missed the live part of "webinar" although I caught some of the chat about it. Pathetic would be the one word description from me. 223 registered for it which should have told me something about it.

Bunch of scammers with BS products and talk of doing this and doing that.

I won't be investing any more time after that let down!

If this device worked we could use it to make cities fly. Steorn would be trillionaires. It doesn't and can't work.

It would be nice if they had ever actually given one of their devices to a university who had then been able to deconstruct why it had the illusion of creating free energy. That would be nice proof.

Of course, they never did that because that's exactly what would happen. This has all been going on far too long to be a simple scam - my only guess at this point is that they've gotten lost in their own cult-like zealotry and have lost perspective entirely, and constantly find ways to reassure themselves that their nonsense cube is doing the impossible.

The main thing to understand here is that these guys are trying to fool ordinary people and not scientists. Notice how there are no papers on their research, no independent scientific analysis, no reproducible experiments. Nothing that can be checked out by scientists. Instead we have them reaching out to Joe Public looking for his money for products that aren't quite available yet.

There's a good reason for this - Joe Public doesn't have the knowledge or intellect to distinguish science from scientific quackery. I'm not saying that Joe Public is thick, I'm just saying that he probably had no need to remember his Junior Cert science curriculum in his day-to-day life and has forgotten most of it.

The result of this lack of a scientific understanding is that it leaves Joe Public without a way to distinguish between science and stuff that sounds like science. Take the following two statements for example and ask yourself which one sounds more plausible:

"There is a particle called a neutrino and there are billions of them going through our bodies all the time but we can't feel them because they don't easily interact with other matter particles".

or

"Water has a memory of everything it has ever come into contact with. If you add a grain of sugar to a glass of water, dilute it with 100 parts pure water and do this 100 times until there is no sugar molecule left, the water still retains a memory of the sugar".

To Joe Public, both of these "facts" can look equally plausible even though we know that one of them is bullshít.

To give another example, what if you couldn't start your car in the morning and you called the garage and they tell you one of two things.

"It sounds like a faulty flux-capacitor".

or

"It sounds like a faulty alternator".

If you knew nothing about cars and hadn't seen Back to the Future, both of these responses would sound equally plausible. If I don't know what flux capacitors and alternators are, how can I tell them apart? On the other hand, if I was a mechanic or someone who worked with cars, I would know which response was bullshít.

The point that I'm trying to make here is that Joe Public is not properly equipped to tell the difference between something scientific and something that sounds sciencey.

It's for this reason that Steorn are targeting Joe Public instead of independent scientists. Joe Public is easily fooled but scientists are not.




On a side note, Joe Public could read up on entropy, thermodynamics, perpetual motion machines and classical mechanics. By doing so, he wouldn't be so easily fooled by pseudo-science. Unfortunately, for Joe Public, science is hard and "aint nobody got time fo dat".

In the interview he was trying to stay well away from the claims that it was a perpetual motion machine. But if you connect a DC motor up to it, that's exactly what it becomes.

They're making massive claims without any proof. I love the line about them converting time to energy...and the throw away comment about not understanding gravity either!

This is not a scam to get people to buy the "O-Cube" or the everlasting phone, that would be fraud so what they're going to do is give a cock-n-bull story about a delay in shipping or reworking the devices or even they have only shipped a small amount blah blah blah

The scam is to attract more investors, why would they run off with 50k or 60k of joe punters money from these orders and commit fraud when they have already had €23 million of investors money! They can probably get another couple of million handy from the gullible and the greedy.

All they have to do is show the investors the level of interest in their two products and say they have pre-orders of tens of thousands so quick GIVE US MONEY!!!