Orbo goes on demo (sale?) .. breaks physics :-/

celtic_oz

On Wednesday, 28th October 2015 @ 7pm Irish technology and development company ‘Steorn’ will begin a series of LIVE online webinars showcasing the world’s first commercially available free energy technology – The Orbo “Powercube”.

"The ultimate aim for the company is to license it’s products to the consumer electronics industry…you put this in your product and you never have to recharge it" Steorn CEO (Shaun McCarthy)

Full article here



Webinar here

Some context from internet archive :

We had to break open the wind generators and started playing around with them, looking at, (amongst other things), the positioning of the magnets and testing the outputs – one of these configurations produced some strange results… Certain configurations gave calculated results greater than 100% around a closed loop. The core technology is the ability to construct certain magnetic fields, (using permanent magnets). In many ways our technology is like going up and down a hill, (a magnet moves into a magnetic field and out of that field and in doing so gains enery). When other magnetic materials travel around a closed trajectory within these fields a non-zero energy sum is achieved. For a fixed trajectory travel around a closed loop in one direction will gain energy and travel around the loop in the other direction will results in an energy loss. There is a fixed loss and a fixed gain for a specific closed loop. For a closed loop, one direction around the loop will see a gain in energy and the travel in the reverse direction will see a net loss. In some parts of it's movement around the field, stopping and starting at the same place, it will gain energy and in some parts it will lose energy. The gain is larger than the loss. As stated the technology does self sustain, and hence output is connected to input.

Field trials here

zuutroy

Would they ever just f*ck off at this stage. 7 years since they 'cracked it' now and still nothing to show for it.

papu

More Hype , More Funding , More of the same Scam .. Kind of becoming embarrassing at this stage

celtic_oz

New video

https://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153314887302672/

SomeGuyCalledMi

Did anyone watch the public demo the other night? It was strange to say the least. The whole e-cigarette was weird but I suppose hooking up with Tesla or something was never on the cards. You can see the video on their Facebook page.

Looks like the Orbo O-Cube will be available from December for €1,200.

Worlds first free energy device? I true game changer if its for real. Can it really be a hoax?

zuutroy

SomeGuyCalledMi wrote: »

Can it really be a hoax?

Yes.

papu

SomeGuyCalledMi wrote: »

Did anyone watch the public demo the other night? It was strange to say the least. The whole e-cigarette was weird but I suppose hooking up with Tesla or something was never on the cards. You can see the video on their Facebook page.

Looks like the Orbo O-Cube will be available from December for €1,200.

Worlds first free energy device? I true game changer if its for real. Can it really be a hoax?

Elon Musk would have jumped on it , if it wasn't a massive scam..

Maximus Alexander

Cant believe this is even being discussed in the Physics & Chemistry forum. Should be in Paranormal tbh.

celtic_oz

leaked investor video (bad audio) ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLyT8taxR4w

TallyRand

celtic_oz wrote: »

leaked investor video (bad audio) ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLyT8taxR4w

So what is the verdict? Sounds to my ignorant brain that it's a scam....anyone with a more enlightened scientific mind give their thoughts as it seems they are on the cusp of what I would imagine to be the biggest revolutionary device in world history!

Maximus Alexander

TallyRand wrote: »

So what is the verdict? Sounds to my ignorant brain that it's a scam....anyone with a more enlightened scientific mind give their thoughts as it seems they are on the cusp of what I would imagine to be the biggest revolutionary device in world history!

It's a stupid, impossible scam.

One which has been done over and over by God knows how many people over the last millennium or so.

TallyRand

This is what I would have thought, however, they seem to have stepped up their "marketing" and seem to be actually launching a tangible product imminently.

Surely they believe they have something, could this be the longest winded scam of all time?

How would Apple or even NASA not be all over them if they were the real deal instead of pub launches which is laughable!

I'm scratching my head but can't let it go at the same time

TallyRand

TallyRand wrote: »

This is what I would have thought, however, they seem to have stepped up their "marketing" and seem to be actually launching a tangible product imminently.

Surely they believe they have something, could this be the longest winded scam of all time?

How would Apple or even NASA not be all over them if they were the real deal instead of pub launches which is laughable!

Proof is in the pudding I guess. It's obviously been very hard thing to replicate hence the past f ups. But now they seem to have developed a very stable product that recharges itself!
Its defo isnt a scam, if it was they would have made a run with the € years ago.

Morbert

I have a prototype. It's not bad. It wouldn't power your house but it charges my phone just fine.

Gwynston

Morbert wrote: »

I have a prototype. It's not bad. It wouldn't power your house but it charges my phone just fine.

Seriously?
You're charging your phone with free magic power from nowhere...

zuutroy

Morbert wrote: »

I have a prototype. It's not bad. It wouldn't power your house but it charges my phone just fine.

Forever with no external input?

Morbert

Sorry couldn't resist :pac:

Gwynston

Morbert wrote: »

Sorry couldn't resist :pac:

Meddling mods.... Tsk Tsk :rolleyes:

SomeGuyCalledMi

Steorn are not the only company about to announce a "free energy" product. This one looks like an obvious scam. Be careful out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc

celtic_oz

Talk of an ophone ?

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ophone

"A lot has happened in the past week or so involving Steorn – and now be prepared to throw away your phone chargers. With the biggest news coming last night – a Facebook status update from Irish model Rachel Wallace who is the public face of Steorn’s publicity campaign. Rachel is better known as ‘oGirl’ and in just the last few hours ANOTHER Facebook status update from Alex Cordero – who you may recognise as the barman from Slattery’s in the first webinar video.

Both statuses say they have an oPhone in their posession which we take to mean Orbo Phone. Part of Steorn’s marketing blitz is to get the devices out and into the hands of the public to report back on what they find. It is becoming increasingly hard for sceptics to ignore Steorn as more and more members of the public come forward with their stories of how they never need to charge the products."

link

zuutroy

Pizzle

Last year I got chatting to a guy while out one night who happened to be involved with Steorn (in a non-technical position it must be said). I left him talk for a while about free energy, dark matter (bizarrely), magnets, 99% of the energy in the universe being unaccounted for, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics not really being a law,...on he went for ages. Then I informed him that I have a PhD in Physics. Was fun to watch him squirm and back track on almost everything he said.

In the end I was getting more and more annoyed that he hadn't a clue how it worked, so made my excuses and left. But the weird thing is that I really didn't think he was trying to scam me. He seemed fully convinced that the technology worked and was a fairly sound fella.

Can't wait to hear how people get on with the actual device. My guess is that there will be quite a few faulty ones or something went wrong during production.

I still find it odd that they have set their sights so low. If you've got a source of perpetual energy I think I'd be aiming higher than e-cigarettes and phone chargers...

celtic_oz

The Ophone?

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ophone?source=feed_text&story_id=1040459896016209

zuutroy

Maybe they can use their skills to invent a time machine to go back to a time where a phone design like that was relevant.

papu

How much is it gonna cost?
whats stopping anyone else from ripping this thing open and harnessing the power of free energy..

Maximus Alexander

Oooh I hope Santa brings me one of those for Christmas 2001!

papu

papu wrote: »

How much is it gonna cost?
whats stopping anyone else from ripping this thing open and harnessing the power of free energy..

Rumour is about €480

Nothing, go ahead and knock yourself out!

Pizzle

When I saw the pictures I was hoping there'd be a microUSB charging port somewhere...

TallyRand

So today is the day, I can't imagine they will be around for much longer if this flops after I read all their previous failures

Have a funny feeling it won't be as dynamic a webinar as they've hyped

Their Facebook page seems to have grown by about 40k likes over the last few weeks, so certainly people are taken by the idea

Pizzle

Yeah, it really is make or break for them at this stage.

endacl

Thermodynamics says no...

seamus

TallyRand wrote: »

Their Facebook page seems to have grown by about 40k likes over the last few weeks, so certainly people are taken by the idea

Optics. You can pay marketing companies who have ways of getting you extra "likes" on your facebook page. I had a former client I did web work for, a small jewellers in Dublin.
She spoke with an online marketing company about how to use her facebook more effectively, and as a "demo" of what could be done they got her 2,000 new likes (up from a few hundred) in a week.

The kicker was that they were all people random places - many from the US - rather than actual, relevant potential customers.

I imagine this is what Steorn have done to make it appear like they're the hot thing at the moment.

The whole thing smells like a good marketer and self-promoter making paycheques for himself out of gullible VCs.

celtic_oz

Taken from http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/

The OCube can be ordered right now, and costs 1200€ plus shipping. The OPhone can be pre-ordered now, and costs 480€ plus shipping. The e-cigarette and game controller are not yet available to be ordered. The OCube and OPhone can be ordered by writing to orders@orbo.com.....
This could mean that the moment is finally approaching where we'll get some answers as to what Steorn is really up to. If they begin accepting money for Orbo orders, then they legally owe consumers a product that lives up to its billing, or else they're guilty of fraud.

CEO Shaun McCarthy :

Tomorrow, fifteen years after starting our little company Steorn, we finally launch our first two Orbo based products. It's been a journey for sure, we have had the **** kicked out of us on the road, but we always kept going, we always tried to have fun, and we have always tried to do the right thing.
Fifteen years is a long time, but it's only the start. I have heard many people compare Orbo to the Model T, it’s a technology at the very start of its journey into people's lives. I believe that Orbo as it exists today is not near the Model T in terms of what it is capable of, its Christiann Huygens first combustion engine. Many people will find our first products to be too expensive and too low in function. Hey, don't buy them, they are not for you, but they will be!

More https://www.facebook.com/thebatteryisdead/

AlmightyCushion

I wonder what the micro USB connector on the controller is for.

Pizzle

Just saw the video on their facebook page. The overview of the "technology" was interesting...am I wrong in thinking that this is completely different to what they were proposing a couple of years back?

If this is a scam, what can they possibly hope to achieve from it?

I presume the controller they showed in the clip was just representative of what they want to do. Similarly, they don't seem to have an actual packaged phone yet, just mock up images to get people to pre-order.

dlouth15

If you look at the side profile - the one in the midle - it seems to be an incredibly thick phone. I can't see people carrying around this just for the convenience of not charging it.

Possibly it contains a very large battery. This combined with a low-spec. phone would give a very long operaging time on a single charge. Maybe you throw it away after use and buy a new pre-charged one. No need for a charger.

Alternatively, it could could contain a weight that moves when the phone is carried about and this is used to generate electrictity and charge a battery. Again, no need for a charger but who wants to lug the thing around.

From this angle, the thickness of the phone is obscured:



I think it will be sold to free energy believers who will be reluctant to say much after they recieve the product.

TallyRand

Missed the live part of "webinar" although I caught some of the chat about it. Pathetic would be the one word description from me. 223 registered for it which should have told me something about it.

Bunch of scammers with BS products and talk of doing this and doing that.

I won't be investing any more time after that let down!

Pizzle

Pizzle wrote: »

Just saw the video on their facebook page. The overview of the "technology" was interesting...am I wrong in thinking that this is completely different to what they were proposing a couple of years back?

AFAIK its the exact same effect, just in a solid state version.

celtic_oz

Sunday Business Post

Source

gctest50

"the USB charger is red,skull shaped,costs e1200 and contains 2 batteries,
one is a standard battery and one is Steorns never-die"

sounds fierce like a bit of backscatter craic - free bonus for getting microwaved to bits all the time :P

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.06815v1.pdf

http://iotwifi.cs.washington.edu/



wait long enough and old tricks seem brand new to some :

celtic_oz

MICHAEL FERRIER DEC 8 2015

https://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html

Crowdfunder :

https://mesenaatti.me/en/steornin-ikiliikkujatekniikan-tutkimusprojekti/

New video from steorn

https://www.facebook.com/thebatteryisdead/videos/10153398806872672/

celtic_oz

Sold out !

http://orbo.com/collections/all

murphyaii

If what they say is true watch out world energy.
Oil will be made redundant

http://steornnews.com/

Maximus Alexander

What they say is not true, so you've nothing to worry about.

celtic_oz

Irish Times : Fact or fiction, Irish firm invents everlasting battery

It is engineering based on complex physics, and yet the physicists agree it defies basic laws – there is no evidence energy is produced as opposed to being stored.
“What we found is that we could speed up and slow down electromagnetic fields which traditionally should travel at the speed of light. When we did that we got these energy anomalies,” McCarthy says in an effort to distil the “Orbo effect” to its most basic explanation.
“So I suppose you could take a view, which we are not qualified to make [scientifically], but if you ask our guys what we really think we are doing, we think that we are converting time into energy. Which sounds very grandiose when you see three strips of metal and two wires.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832

murphyaii

proof?

Zillah

If this device worked we could use it to make cities fly. Steorn would be trillionaires. It doesn't and can't work.

Maximus Alexander

murphyaii wrote: »

proof?

Indeed. Where is it?

pedigree 6

Buy now when they're gone, they're gone.:P

locum-motion

murphyaii wrote: »

proof?

It's not down to MaximusAlexander to prove that it doesn't work.

It's down to the people making claims to prove that it does.



That's how science works. If you've got a theory that flies in the face of currently accepted theories, then YOU have to prove that you're right, NOT others have to prove that you're wrong.


For example, I have a theory that the black and yellow colouring of wasps causes them to be invisible to elves, hobbits and goblins.

Go ahead, prove me wrong!

Zillah

It would be nice if they had ever actually given one of their devices to a university who had then been able to deconstruct why it had the illusion of creating free energy. That would be nice proof.

Of course, they never did that because that's exactly what would happen. This has all been going on far too long to be a simple scam - my only guess at this point is that they've gotten lost in their own cult-like zealotry and have lost perspective entirely, and constantly find ways to reassure themselves that their nonsense cube is doing the impossible.