Taoiseach shocked and dismayed at Sinn Fein TDs tweet on IRA attacks

grassylawn wrote: »

It's common to commemorate your own dead soldiers, or celebrate victories in wars or even battles.

This is not any of those things, it's just celebrating killing.

Okay so,when the pesky natives fight back against the bully invader then its just killing?

Two well executed strike backs at the real terrorists of not only Ireland but most of the world.
The Irish are admired all over the world for fighting back against this and people know who the real killers were and how they took their terrorist killing machine to small nations so they would be unfree.

I've no opinion on the offending tweet albeit the end bit a little silly. I do however have an opinion on the neck of Arlene foster writing to complain to the Ceann Comhairle, can you imagine any TD writing to the speaker of the Northern assembly complaining, the Orange order would be out marching within an hour.

But it gets worse, the Ceann Comhairle has responded rather than ignored Arlene Fosters intervention, stating the matter deserves a credible Political Response? WTF is that? Notwithstanding the fact he has no power whatsoever to sanction any TD for matters not pertaining to the functioning of the Dail.

I've a suggestion for a response, F**K right off and get your own house in order. Outrageous the leader of the Dail entertaining any political interference from Arlene Foster.

Dempo1 wrote: »

I've no opinion on the offending tweet albeit the end bit a little silly. I do however have an opinion on the neck of Arlene foster writing to complain to the Ceann Comhairle, can you imagine any TD writing to the speaker of the Northern assembly complaining, the Orange order would be out marching within an hour.

But it gets worse, the Ceann Comhairle has responded rather than ignored Arlene Fosters intervention, stating the matter deserves a credible Political Response? WTF is that? Notwithstanding the fact he has no power whatsoever to sanction any TD for matters not pertaining to the functioning of the Dail.

I've a suggestion for a response, F**K right off and get your own house in order. Outrageous the leader of the Dail entertaining any political interference from Arlene Foster.

A letter should be sent along the lines of, we expect your support for a public inquiry into the Finucane murder.

Yamanoto wrote: »

Unionisssts have abssssolutely nothing to fear from a Sssssshin Fein united Ireland

correct, an sf lead united ireland would be the best thing that ever happened to the unionists, as it will bring the modernisation and investment they need and want.
britain doesn't care about them and will never invest in them, they have left them the poorist in the uk.

Normal One wrote: »

They'll wheel it out again at the next election, along with Paul Quinn's family. That's all they stand for.

they will but nobody apart from the die hard supporters will pay attention to it.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Does this tweet bring SF any closer to a United Ireland?

Or does it cause more division?

We all know the answer.

i would expect it makes little difference in reality.
the majority of unionists will vote on the basis of what brings them more money in their pockets.
loyalty to a country won't pay the bills, especially when that country has made it perfectly clear it doesn't care about the unionist community over decades.

end of the road wrote: »

i would expect it makes little difference in reality.
the majority of unionists will vote on the basis of what brings them more money in their pockets.
loyalty to a country won't pay the bills, especially when that country has made it perfectly clear it doesn't care about the unionist community over decades.

You're having a laugh???

You think loyalists will vote for a UI because it might, just might bring them more money??

Have you even any small shroud of evidence to back up this claim?

How do you lads get away with such nonsensical claims.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

You're having a laugh???

You think loyalists will vote for a UI because it might, just might bring them more money??

Have you even any small shroud of evidence to back up this claim?

How do you lads get away with such nonsensical claims.

The middle ground alliance voter, green voter etc will decide whether to stay in the UK or not. Unionists will by definition, vote to remain in the UK.

Bowie wrote: »

Do you think if SF never mention anything pre GFA and basically lick arse Foster etc. it will make a blind bit of difference? FF/FG only play up to them because they think it might help them score points against SF, which is all it's ever about for them. They are dishonest and not in any way genuine in the moral outrage. Loyalists, by definition, will always be loyalists. They likely got great laugh out of 'the indian' kissing their arse.

As has been said it'll fade away only to be used along with the families of any victims for point scoring and nothing more come the next election.

That's all nice and lovely.

But addresses none of the questions I asked EOTR.

Thanks anyway.

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Do the Orange Order glorify murder every 12th July?

No they just scream at kids and burn the odd few alive in their beds.

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

SF are absolutely gas. They love this type of stuff yet would be absolutely aghast if a British/ unionist politician celebrated an event such as the Gibraltar SAS deaths or the Loughall ambush. Held parties in West Belfast when Thatcher died but are utterly disgusted when the loyalists adorn their 12th bonfires with stolen SF posters.

Either it's all acceptable or none of it is. From both sides.

I suppose you'd say the same about the Americans celebrating the killing of Bin Laden vs people celebrating 9/11 then?

The attempts at moral relativism when it comes to Northern Ireland are f*cking ridiculous. One side was fighting to maintain its dominance over the other side. They are automatically the scumbags in that equation. No other factors are relevant - fighting to maintain your coercive power over the other side makes you the bad guys, in any context or conflict. It's as simple as that.

The entire loyalist/British "cause" came about because one side didn't want to give the other equal democratic rights. How anyone can talk as if there's any equivalence is utterly beyond me. Any attacks against the British Army were fully justified in the context of an entire demographic being systematically oppressed by that army and those who backed them.

Christ, it's such a ludicrous situation. What the IRA did to civilians was atrocious and celebrating that is atrocious. Attacks against Crown forces of any kind are an entirely different kettle of fish and it's ridiculous to conflate the two. They were fair game up until the signing of the GFA, and rightly so. They were committing acts contrary to all conventions of human decency through their activities in Northern Ireland - not even because of the actions themselves, but because of the regime of oppression they sought to maintain.

It's just f*cking stupid. Would you equate pro and anti apartheid militants in the same breath as if their actions carried the same moral consequences? How about the pro and anti slavery factions in the American Civil War?

It's a painfully stupid debate. Loyalism is rooted in hatred and supremacy. F*ck 'em. You cannot equate that with people who fought to free themselves and their people from the same aforesaid hatred and supremacy.

Hqrry113 wrote: »

, the Laois-Offaly TD

Do you really think the tweet was all that bad or is Michael just point scoring?

This is an example of a man burnt and consumed by his own to passion to the point of damaging himself his career and possibly those around him.

Do i think the tweet was that bad? It doesn't matter what i think ....

It matters the tweet was so controversial that it made waves.

And for a politician to not know what he was about to say was going to be controversial might show they live in an echo chamber.

And if he did know it would be contentious or vexing he should be prepared for what comes after it.


I would like to know what exactly is the point of such rhetoric other than the slight rush of adrenaline one might get briefly by shouting 'up the ra' on the street.

Because that is exactly what behavior like this is. Seeking a short term adrenaline rush. Which is childish for a grown man.

But it seems to be a huge part of extremist politics. The alt left the alt right ..the DUP ....they a kick out of it ...the theatrics.

Its the political version of ****.

This is the polite version




We don't elect politicans to pleasure themselves by shouting up the ra on twitter....we elect them to work for us. Like actually DO REAL THINGS


It might make their 'TEAM' feel good briefly ..or them feel good briefly ...but i mean ..that isn't what they are elected to do. They are public servants. Its not WWF.

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This clown should not be anywhere near the PAC.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Is it Narrowpoint, or something? Anyway I remember the day very well, shock and horror here in Dublin, great sadness & disgust with total and utter contempt for those responsible for all the loss of life on that day.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/soldier-who-lived-through-narrow-water-attack-still-haunted-by-what-he-saw-38435197.html

Mr Caughey said it was a scene of "total carnage". He added: "Everything was on fire. My legs were on fire. But this didn't register with me. I just looked around.

"There were bits of bodies everywhere, the only way I can describe it as being like something out of an abattoir. I couldn't see anyone alive.

"The majority of the guys were in parts, rather than whole people.

Everything was on fire. The smell of burning flesh still haunts me to this day.

"Suddenly the reality hit me that my legs were burning and I couldn't move.

He was 18 at the time. 1 of 2 survivors.

The IRA committed their atrocity at Mullaghmore on the same day. Those heroes killed 2 80 year olds and 2 children.