Crew cab/ passenger jeep

Cavanjack · 24-07-2020 2:42pm #1

I need a new jeep and/or new car, both are driven into the ground and not worth fixing. A crew cab would be ideal for the farm and kids but I travel 25,000km to work each year and put up a good share of miles on short runs to school/football etc.
I do a lot of trailer work and ideally would like a 3 litre like a Hilux with commercial tax which will carry children and pull a trailer for 20k. Problem is it’ll cost €2500 in diesel to bring me to work each year plus the extra running costs associated with this kind of machine. Think 3/4 of this expense can go through the farm so maybe not as dear as it looks.
Other option is to buy an older jeep and a car for 10k each.
Any advice on what to buy? Anyone else doing similar mileage in a jeep/crew cab?

lakill Farm · 24-07-2020 2:44pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

I need a new jeep and/or new car, both are driven into the ground and not worth fixing. A crew cab would be ideal for the farm and kids but I travel 25,000km to work each year and put up a good share of miles on short runs to school/football etc.
I do a lot of trailer work and ideally would like a 3 litre like a Hilux with commercial tax which will carry children and pull a trailer for 20k. Problem is it’ll cost €2500 in diesel to bring me to work each year plus the extra running costs associated with this kind of machine. Think 3/4 of this expense can go through the farm so maybe not as dear as it looks.
Other option is to buy an older jeep and a car for 10k each.
Any advice on what to buy? Anyone else doing similar mileage in a jeep/crew cab?

Have an L200 crewcab at home and a auris commercial van for work.

Bass Reeves · 24-07-2020 2:59pm

It really depends on what towing capacity you need on the Jeep. I have a 2010 RAV paid 7K for it last year towing capacity 2ton 40mpg. Other haf drives a 2015 IX35 it dose 50mpg it cost 15k last year. Both bought privately. Tax on RAV is 390 I think the IX is 200ish.

Cavanjack · 24-07-2020 3:26pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It really depends on what towing capacity you need on the Jeep. I have a 2010 RAV paid 7K for it last year towing capacity 2ton 40mpg. Other haf drives a 2015 IX35 it dose 50mpg it cost 15k last year. Both bought privately. Tan on Tab is 390 I think the IX is 200ish.

Pulling a tri-axel need 3500kg towing capacity and space for 3-4 children. suppose I could put them in the trailer

Cavanjack · 24-07-2020 3:35pm

lakill Farm wrote: »

Have an L200 crewcab at home and a auris commercial van for work.

Problem with the van is when I have to pick kids up on the way home from work. It wouldnt work

Bass Reeves · 24-07-2020 3:36pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Pulling a tri-axel need 3500kg towing capacity and space for 3-4 children. suppose I could put them in the trailer

Hilux is about the only crewcab that is legal at that TC. It other CC's are nearly sub that weight. A LC will be legal up to that as well but mpg is the issue.

Know one lad locally that opted to get a trailer for the tractor rather than go the CC or LC option. He bought an old Honda crv for himself they have a car as well.

24-07-2020 3:41pm

Id get a nice crew-cab and swallow the increased fuel bill, with tax write off it shouldn’t really cost that much more and in fact you are saving on insuring, taxing, nct/doe and servicing two vehicles so debatable really if that would actually cost more.

Also doubt you will be able to put both vehicles against tax so you would be losing out in that two, you could write off the crew-cab with capital allowances so more saving.

alps · 24-07-2020 3:43pm

Have you any BIK tax issues having the crew cab as a farm jeep and using it for some personal use?

24-07-2020 3:45pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Hilux is about the only crewcab that is legal at that TC. It other CC's are nearly sub that weight. A LC will be legal up to that as well but mpg is the issue.

Know one lad locally that opted to get a trailer for the tractor rather than go the CC or LC option. He bought an old Honda crv for himself they have a car as well.

Ranger and L200 both have 3500kg towing capacity.

alps wrote: »

Have you any BIK tax issues having the crew cab as a farm jeep and using it for some personal use?

Sole traders don’t have BIK, pretty much every crew cab in the country is used as the op is describing his use.

Cavanjack · 24-07-2020 4:02pm

alps wrote: »

Have you any BIK tax issues having the crew cab as a farm jeep and using it for some personal use?

Don't think so. Think 3/4 of diesel expenses can be put down against farm work

Hard Knocks · 24-07-2020 4:02pm

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

Ranger and L200 both have 3500kg towing capacity.

Sole traders don’t have BIK, pretty much every crew cab in the country is used as the op is describing his use.

Is that just newer L200’s?

Hard Knocks · 24-07-2020 4:04pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Hilux is about the only crewcab that is legal at that TC. It other CC's are nearly sub that weight. A LC will be legal up to that as well but mpg is the issue.

Know one lad locally that opted to get a trailer for the tractor rather than go the CC or LC option. He bought an old Honda crv for himself they have a car as well.

Don’t forget crew-cabs can be LWB 7 seaters with back 2 seats removed

Mad_maxx · 24-07-2020 4:24pm

I test drove a Fiat Fullback a year ago, didn't buy it but thought it was very good, there a mitsubishi L200 by another name, probably a good bit cheaper second hand however as they haven't sold well?

Mooooo · 24-07-2020 4:27pm

Talk to your accountant, work out capital allowances etc and see how the options would compare.

barneystinson · 24-07-2020 4:31pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

I need a new jeep and/or new car, both are driven into the ground and not worth fixing. A crew cab would be ideal for the farm and kids but I travel 25,000km to work each year and put up a good share of miles on short runs to school/football etc.
I do a lot of trailer work and ideally would like a 3 litre like a Hilux with commercial tax which will carry children and pull a trailer for 20k. Problem is it’ll cost €2500 in diesel to bring me to work each year plus the extra running costs associated with this kind of machine. Think 3/4 of this expense can go through the farm so maybe not as dear as it looks.

I'm confused by your sums here, help me out. If the 25k is to your off-farm job, and you put up a good bit of other personal mileage, how does 75% of this cost go through as a farm expense...?

minerleague · 24-07-2020 4:33pm

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

Id get a nice crew-cab and swallow the increased fuel bill, with tax write off it shouldn’t really cost that much more and in fact you are saving on insuring, taxing, nct/doe and servicing two vehicles so debatable really if that would actually cost more.

Also doubt you will be able to put both vehicles against tax so you would be losing out in that two, you could write off the crew-cab with capital allowances so more saving.

found the same, have a jeep and often thought of getting small car but with fragmented farm jeep is handy for moving cattle, factory etc.

Jim Simmental · 24-07-2020 6:51pm

Would it be worth the OP’s while registering for VAT and reclaiming the VAT on his diesel use ?

24-07-2020 8:08pm

barneystinson wrote: »

I'm confused by your sums here, help me out. If the 25k is to your off-farm job, and you put up a good bit of other personal mileage, how does 75% of this cost go through as a farm expense...?

It’s the standard accept amount for farmers to claim on their personal car if it’s used for farming, it doesn’t actually bear any resemblance to actual usage at all for the vast majority of part time farmers.

minerleague wrote: »

found the same, have a jeep and often thought of getting small car but with fragmented farm jeep is handy for moving cattle, factory etc.

Yeah unless you actually want the second car anyway it is very unlikely to be cheaper to run a second car and a Jeep than just a Jeep which you commute with as well as farm use. Like tax at least 300, insurance 600, nct 50, servicing 200 thats 1100 before even considering repairs and the fuel it’s free. You will put a lot of diesel in a jeep for 1100 before you even cover the cost of the basics on a second car and in reality it’s only the difference in fuel cost you save not all the fuel cost.

I’m not against second cars at all this is more so from the point of seeing it as a saving vs diesel in the jeep.

selectamatic · 24-07-2020 9:57pm

Big crew van could be worth considering if you could put up with the reduced comfort and you don't go offroad with the trailers.

Nearly all of the powerful ones have a 3000kg towing capacity.
The heavyduty rwd versions would have a 3500kg one.

2.3 Fiat Ducato can even be got with a fancy auto box.

Your budget would get ya something well up in the years compared to 4x4 crewcab pickups

ruwithme · 24-07-2020 10:14pm

Get yourself down to a few dealers Nissan,mitsubishi,Toyota, isuzu . Find the time if you can drive em all . You will soon narrow it down.even if your not going new.

Toyota are not what they once were. Check out the chassis on any 2nd hand ones. Rust on some even fresh would surprise anyone.

Isuzu d max here. 1.9 good economy. Super steering lock, plenty of room front and back.
If you've a heavy right foot, maybe not for you. 3500kg braked towing capacity.

Still waters · 24-07-2020 10:18pm

The ranger is 3.5, anyone any stories about them, are they reliable

ruwithme · 24-07-2020 10:21pm

Seem to remember a story about a rotting door sill on one only 2year old over on the motoring forum last year or so.
sorry no good at linking

Cavanjack · 24-07-2020 10:45pm

Jim Simmental wrote: »

Would it be worth the OP’s while registering for VAT and reclaiming the VAT on his diesel use ?

Don’t think this would work out. Totted it up a few years ago and it might end up costing money. Vat from cattle sales would have to be repaid. And the extra paperwork!!

Jim Simmental · 24-07-2020 10:48pm

ruwithme wrote: »

Get yourself down to a few dealers Nissan,mitsubishi,Toyota, isuzu . Find the time if you can drive em all . You will soon narrow it down.even if your not going new.

Toyota are not what they once were. Check out the chassis on any 2nd hand ones. Rust on some even fresh would surprise anyone.

Isuzu d max here. 1.9 good economy. Super steering lock, plenty of room front and back.
If you've a heavy right foot, maybe not for you. 3500kg braked towing capacity.

What’s the mpg like with the 1.9 dmax when not towing ?

Cavanjack · 24-07-2020 10:48pm

ruwithme wrote: »

Get yourself down to a few dealers Nissan,mitsubishi,Toyota, isuzu . Find the time if you can drive em all . You will soon narrow it down.even if your not going new.

Toyota are not what they once were. Check out the chassis on any 2nd hand ones. Rust on some even fresh would surprise anyone.

Isuzu d max here. 1.9 good economy. Super steering lock, plenty of room front and back.
If you've a heavy right foot, maybe not for you. 3500kg braked towing capacity.

Talking to a man a few weeks ago, said the Isuzu has no power. Could be a good compromise though fuel efficiency wise though. How do you find it for towing? Often pull 3+ tonne of cattle here.

ruwithme · 24-07-2020 11:01pm

As i said if you have a heavy right foot you will be disappointed. I don't have one. She's a nice steady oul bus is how i might describe her.she will tow any livestock trailer loaded like any jeep will.you will just find yourself using a gear or two more often than say a 3litre Toyota.

Anything up to 35 mile to the gallon she will do without trailer. I think its pretty good for a yoke of her ability all things considered.

barneystinson · 25-07-2020 12:17am

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

It’s the standard accept amount for farmers to claim on their personal car if it’s used for farming, it doesn’t actually bear any resemblance to actual usage at all for the vast majority of part time farmers.

Really? Is that written down anywhere, or just an unwritten kind of thing?

That's a nice perk isn't it, when you think about it. If you're a high rate PAYE earner, driving 25k kms a year, your motoring bill (including tax, insurance, servicing, maintenance, tyres and fuel) is probably at least 4-5 grand.

Considering the farm/business usage is actually more like 20% than 75% in that case, between the running costs and capital allowances that's about 2k extra a year into the farmer's pocket, on a nod and a wink.

punisher5112 · 25-07-2020 12:19am

Some serious amount of rangers and rapturs on the road, seems the big choice these days

Bass Reeves · 25-07-2020 12:51am

barneystinson wrote: »

Really? Is that written down anywhere, or just an unwritten kind of thing?

That's a nice perk isn't it, when you think about it. If you're a high rate PAYE earner, driving 25k kms a year, your motoring bill (including tax, insurance, servicing, maintenance, tyres and fuel) is probably at least 4-5 grand.

Considering the farm/business usage is actually more like 20% than 75% in that case, between the running costs and capital allowances that's about 2k extra a year into the farmer's pocket, on a nod and a wink.

Bejayus I never have realized that

25-07-2020 12:56am

barneystinson wrote: »

Really? Is that written down anywhere, or just an unwritten kind of thing?

That's a nice perk isn't it, when you think about it. If you're a high rate PAYE earner, driving 25k kms a year, your motoring bill (including tax, insurance, servicing, maintenance, tyres and fuel) is probably at least 4-5 grand.

Considering the farm/business usage is actually more like 20% than 75% in that case, between the running costs and capital allowances that's about 2k extra a year into the farmer's pocket, on a nod and a wink.

As far as I know it’s anything from min 50 to 75% is no questions asked and most would be going towards the 75%.

einn32 · 25-07-2020 1:24am

Drove a 3L Turbo Dmax crew cab in Ireland. Great machine to pull but heavy on fuel especially when hauling. Think it was 330e for tax and maybe 700 euro insurance. They don't do that engine size anymore though. Probably not the most comfortable. I had a high pressure fuel switch go which was the biggest repair. It was a common issue I was told. Also a few sensors gave trouble but overall was a great machine.

Albert Johnson · 25-07-2020 2:01am

Cavanjack wrote: »

I need a new jeep and/or new car, both are driven into the ground and not worth fixing. A crew cab would be ideal for the farm and kids but I travel 25,000km to work each year and put up a good share of miles on short runs to school/football etc.
I do a lot of trailer work and ideally would like a 3 litre like a Hilux with commercial tax which will carry children and pull a trailer for 20k. Problem is it’ll cost €2500 in diesel to bring me to work each year plus the extra running costs associated with this kind of machine. Think 3/4 of this expense can go through the farm so maybe not as dear as it looks.
Other option is to buy an older jeep and a car for 10k each.
Any advice on what to buy? Anyone else doing similar mileage in a jeep/crew cab?

My advice would be to buy a good crewcab and have one decent vehicle capable of doing all that's asked of it. I see a lot of lad's locally running both a jeep and a car and I can't see the point in it tbh. You've twice the running costs straight away just to save a few extra euro in diesel, by the time you tax, test, insure, maintain and keep fuel in the second vehicle any jeep will look good value to run. The main lad's I hear giving out about Jeep's are the ones who don't own one, anyone with a good jeep usually tells me they'd be lost without it.

I bought an 08 Ford ranger this time last year and have done 20,000 miles with it since. Touch wood it's a topping yolk and is never off the road and usually has a trailer of some description on tow. I'd say it averages about 28mpg on mixed journeys and towing. Yes it's nothing to rave about as regards fuel economy but I'll suffer that as it's definitely the best money I've spent in a while.

The Toyota has always been hard bet down through the year's, having said that the newer 3.2 Ranger is getting very popular although I'm told there thirsty enough. I've never had much experience of the L200 and the newer Dmax is gone to a 1.9 so I'd wonder how much power would be available. If you're doing lots of serious towing then ideally you'll want a 3 litre, yes a 2.5 can do the job but you'll need to drive accordingly.

farawaygrass · 25-07-2020 8:28am

What about the toureg? Can be got in 3l. My Machine of choice at the moment, well dreaming really. If you want a pickup vw also have the amorak

Cavanjack · 25-07-2020 9:50am

farawaygrass wrote: »

What about the toureg? Can be got in 3l. My Machine of choice at the moment, well dreaming really. If you want a pickup vw also have the amorak

Think the road tax on the toureg would be higher than a crew cab but it is an option and they drive as good as any car. Not sure are they built tough enough for farm life though.

Cavanjack · 25-07-2020 9:53am

Albert Johnson wrote: »

My advice would be to buy a good crewcab and have one decent vehicle capable of doing all that's asked of it. I see a lot of lad's locally running both a jeep and a car and I can't see the point in it tbh. You've twice the running costs straight away just to save a few extra euro in diesel, by the time you tax, test, insure, maintain and keep fuel in the second vehicle any jeep will look good value to run. The main lad's I hear giving out about Jeep's are the ones who don't own one, anyone with a good jeep usually tells me they'd be lost without it.

I bought an 08 Ford ranger this time last year and have done 20,000 miles with it since. Touch wood it's a topping yolk and is never off the road and usually has a trailer of some description on tow. I'd say it averages about 28mpg on mixed journeys and towing. Yes it's nothing to rave about as regards fuel economy but I'll suffer that as it's definitely the best money I've spent in a while.

The Toyota has always been hard bet down through the year's, having said that the newer 3.2 Ranger is getting very popular although I'm told there thirsty enough. I've never had much experience of the L200 and the newer Dmax is gone to a 1.9 so I'd wonder how much power would be available. If you're doing lots of serious towing then ideally you'll want a 3 litre, yes a 2.5 can do the job but you'll need to drive accordingly.

Thanks. The ideal machine would be a fresh 3l Hilux but maybe I’d compromise with the 2.5l for the commute. All food for thought.

Cavanjack · 25-07-2020 9:55am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Some serious amount of rangers and rapturs on the road, seems the big choice these days

Yeah the ranger is nice looking, never drove one but heard they are thirsty

_Brian · 25-07-2020 10:39am

Cavanjack wrote: »

Yeah the ranger is nice looking, never drove one but heard they are thirsty

Load of them about though. Must be handy money somewhere

Albert Johnson · 25-07-2020 10:47am

_Brian wrote: »

Load of them about though. Must be handy money somewhere

There's plenty of the 2.2 version on donedeal for right money but I'm told there not suited to farming/towing. The 3.2 seem to hold there value better and I know a good few lads that have bought them in recent years.

josephsoap · 25-07-2020 11:14am

Would the pick up type vehicles be as comfortable to drive compared to say a landcruiser/discovery crew cab?

Mooooo · 25-07-2020 11:35am

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

As far as I know it’s anything from min 50 to 75% is no questions asked and most would be going towards the 75%.

If you get an audit it would have to be able to be justified

Mad_maxx · 25-07-2020 11:48am

My brother bought a three year old business class landcruiser a month ago, lovely to sit in but a bit gutless, older landcruiser had more raw power

wrangler · 25-07-2020 11:59am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

My brother bought a three year old business class landcruiser a month ago, lovely to sit in but a bit gutless, older landcruiser had more raw power

Is it automatic, I fancied buying one a couple of years ago and I found the automatic weird when I tried it towing

Cavanjack · 25-07-2020 12:01pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

My brother bought a three year old business class landcruiser a month ago, lovely to sit in but a bit gutless, older landcruiser had more raw power

Is he doing much trailer work with it?

Mad_maxx · 25-07-2020 12:26pm

wrangler wrote: »

Is it automatic, I fancied buying one a couple of years ago and I found the automatic weird when I tried it towing

As far as I'm aware, all those business class five seaters are automatic, his old cruiser was automatic too ,no issue with towing, perhaps modern diesels are too refined to meet emissions?

Mad_maxx · 25-07-2020 1:40pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Is he doing much trailer work with it?

Thee odd bit but even taking off ,it's sluggish, lovely on the motorway but a bit barge like on small roads

farawaygrass · 25-07-2020 2:07pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Think the road tax on the toureg would be higher than a crew cab but it is an option and they drive as good as any car. Not sure are they built tough enough for farm life though.

I just see some on dd are down are crewcab

25-07-2020 2:22pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Think the road tax on the toureg would be higher than a crew cab but it is an option and they drive as good as any car. Not sure are they built tough enough for farm life though.

The Touareg was officially sold as a crew cab by VW, I would think the majority of the previous model were sold as crewcab actually as they were a much cheaper option of vat registered people to buy one.

They are a lovely jeep and 3500kg towing capacity but they are expensive if paying the vat.

Bass Reeves · 25-07-2020 2:51pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, all those business class five seaters are automatic, his old cruiser was automatic too ,no issue with towing, perhaps modern diesels are too refined to meet emissions?

Biggest problem buying Jeeps now I'd they are designed to tow a max of 3.5T. Older Jeeps were straight diesel power units. Now with the advent of as blue and electronic's to max turbo's most engine's have gone softer as well most are designed with leisure industry in mind.

However on the other side of the equation the size of cattle boxes has increased over the last 10-15 years. 15 years ago a 12X5 boxes were the preferred size. Present day 14X6is the most common but I have seen 16X6 boxes. IW even make a 16X7 box. The recommended max pay load on a 12X14 box is only about 2.5ton or 4X630kg bullock's. It seldom you'll see a box that size with that few bullocks in it. I seen them with 6 in no 700kg bullocks that 4.2T and add the trailer weight you hitting 5.5T.

kerryjack · 25-07-2020 3:09pm

I like the newish type 17/ 18 Ford ranger and can get them handy enough 20K would get you a fairly good one, compare
to the Hylux mad money for them second hand not a big ford fan but I like the look of them.

SuperTortoise · 25-07-2020 3:47pm

kerryjack wrote: »

I like the newish type 17/ 18 Ford ranger and can get them handy enough 20K would get you a fairly good one, compare
to the Hylux mad money for them second hand not a big ford fan but I like the look of them.

Lovely looking jeeps in fairness and have been tempted to go for a 16 plate but i've been told by a few people the engines are soft enough, i've also seen a good few on DD that are on their second engine or have been rebuilt, these would have been around the 2012 vintage.

Albert Johnson · 25-07-2020 5:37pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Biggest problem buying Jeeps now I'd they are designed to tow a max of 3.5T. Older Jeeps were straight diesel power units. Now with the advent of as blue and electronic's to max turbo's most engine's have gone softer as well most are designed with leisure industry in mind.

However on the other side of the equation the size of cattle boxes has increased over the last 10-15 years. 15 years ago a 12X5 boxes were the preferred size. Present day 14X6is the most common but I have seen 16X6 boxes. IW even make a 16X7 box. The recommended max pay load on a 12X14 box is only about 2.5ton or 4X630kg bullock's. It seldom you'll see a box that size with that few bullocks in it. I seen them with 6 in no 700kg bullocks that 4.2T and add the trailer weight you hitting 5.5T.

Your correct on the trailer size increasing as I see it first hand about the marts. It's only in the last 10 year's that the 14 foot trailers really started to appear in numbers, up until that a 12×5"10 was considered a big trailer. Now a 14×5"10 is standard size and I see a good few 16 footers appearing in the last 12 months. Once you go to that size of a trailer and load it to capacity then it's well fit to test any jeep. You'd be better off with a lorry imo although that brings it's own challenges. I know a good few lads pulling 16 foot Porter's and Graham Edwards with crewcabs and there an awkward parcel in a tight spot. Your talking an outfit roughly 35 foot long and near 8 foot wide, that takes a bit of driving no matter how handy you are.

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