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In order to check which shader is currently running, press F1 (when in-game), scroll down to Shaders and go onto that. From there, have a look at Shader #0 to see what shader preset is running. If you're running a more complex shader like crt-royale, there'll be multiple passes of different shaders, so there'll be a shader #1, shader #2, etc.
I've done that and it's a more complex shader with 8 shader passes! I'll try figure it out.As I've said in the main/general thread....N64 emulation has come a LONG way from where it was just a few years ago. Granted it's not yet perfect, but many people still think of it as a mess, when it really isn't.
It's still not quite rights, something off about it. It does look an awful lot better now that they support 3 point filtering.
However the inaccuracies caused me a lot of frustration last night. Was trying to play mischief makers and my controls just would not work. Tried everything, deleting config files and everything. Just would not work.
Turns out due to inaccuracies in the emulation controls don't work with the second revision of the game released in the US, the first revision is fine.
Speaking of mischief makers you are going to call me out as a hypocrite.
It's one of the few 2D games on the N64. I started playing it with the settings as close to the N64 hardware as possible with 3 point filtering and it looks.... god awful. But it looks god awful on original hardware as the 3 point filtering blurs everything. So I switched to good old nearest neighbour blockiness and the game looks incredible with it's art allowed to shine in it's full detail glory.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I've done that and it's a more complex shader with 8 shader passes! I'll try figure it out.
Another (more convoluted way) of doing it is to run the content you want. The hit F1, Shaders, hit save, then hit save game preset. Then, in your RetroArch folder, there's a folder called Config. Inside this will be a folder named after the core you used to run the game, and within that, will be a GLSLP file matching the games name. Right click & edit that GLSLP file (using notepad++ ideally), and within that config you will see which shader has been specific to run (eg crthylian.glslp). That's definitely a shortcoming in RetroArch....you should be able to see on demand which shader is running.However the inaccuracies caused me a lot of frustration last night. Was trying to play mischief makers and my controls just would not work. Tried everything, deleting config files and everything. Just would not work.
Turns out due to inaccuracies in the emulation controls don't work with the second revision of the game released in the US, the first revision is fine.
That's very odd, are you certain that's the issue? Controls not working in a v2 release whereby they do in V1?Speaking of mischief makers you are going to call me out as a hypocrite.
It's one of the few 2D games on the N64. I started playing it with the settings as close to the N64 hardware as possible with 3 point filtering and it looks.... god awful. But it looks god awful on original hardware as the 3 point filtering blurs everything. So I switched to good old nearest neighbour blockiness and the game looks incredible with it's art allowed to shine in it's full detail glory.
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Another (more convoluted way) of doing it is to run the content you want. The hit F1, Shaders, hit save, then hit save game preset. Then, in your RetroArch folder, there's a folder called Config. Inside this will be a folder named after the core you used to run the game, and within that, will be a GLSLP file matching the games name. Right click & edit that GLSLP file (using notepad++ ideally), and within that config you will see which shader has been specific to run (eg crthylian.glslp). That's definitely a shortcoming in RetroArch....you should be able to see on demand which shader is running.
Cool, I'll post up what I'm using when I get homeThat's very odd, are you certain that's the issue? Controls not working in a v2 release whereby they do in V1?
Trust me.... it took me a looooooong time blaming myself for messing with config files before I googled it and found it's an issue with the mupen core that parallel is based on. Got the v1 rom and it works perfectly.
I'm actually considering a N64 usb controller now. The controls of a lot of the more complex games that I tried last night (specifically Castlevania, Mischief Makers and Sin and Punishment) are made specifically for the N64 controller and don't map well to 4 face buttons.
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The shaders in Retroarch are awesome, but also the bane of my emulation life(just like MAME HLSL was years ago). I've very fussy with how things look so spend hours/days playing around with the shaders to get the look i want. For 240p stuff my technique was to put the PVM/BVM I prefer next to my screen and load up the same games on hardware and emulation, then try to get the shaders to look like the CRT.
Couple of comparison pics below. It's kind of hard to get a decent photo of the crt, but you get the idea. The crt photo colours don't quite match the screenshot, but in real life they look the same. You'll probably need to click the images to see the full size.
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Please share it with us peasants when you're done! (If you'll ever be done that is!
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Here's where I am at the moment. Feel free to copy the code and save it as a .glslp file and test it out(make sure you're on the latest Retroarch build and have all shaders installed and updated). It's made for 240p content on 4k screens, so anything else might need some tweaking. Also, not sure if it'll run well on low end systems due to the amount of shader working going on.shaders = "12" shader0 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-first-pass-linearize-crt-gamma-bob-fields.glsl" filter_linear0 = "false" wrap_mode0 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input0 = "false" alias0 = "ORIG_LINEARIZED" float_framebuffer0 = "false" srgb_framebuffer0 = "true" scale_type_x0 = "source" scale_x0 = "1.000000" scale_type_y0 = "source" scale_y0 = "1.000000" shader1 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-scanlines-vertical-interlacing.glsl" filter_linear1 = "true" wrap_mode1 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input1 = "false" alias1 = "VERTICAL_SCANLINES" float_framebuffer1 = "false" srgb_framebuffer1 = "true" scale_type_x1 = "source" scale_x1 = "1.000000" scale_type_y1 = "viewport" scale_y1 = "1.000000" shader2 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-bloom-approx.glsl" filter_linear2 = "true" wrap_mode2 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input2 = "false" alias2 = "BLOOM_APPROX" float_framebuffer2 = "false" srgb_framebuffer2 = "true" scale_type_x2 = "absolute" scale_x2 = "320" scale_type_y2 = "absolute" scale_y2 = "240" shader3 = "shaders_glsl/blurs/blur9fast-vertical.glsl" filter_linear3 = "true" wrap_mode3 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input3 = "false" alias3 = "" float_framebuffer3 = "false" srgb_framebuffer3 = "true" scale_type_x3 = "source" scale_x3 = "1.000000" scale_type_y3 = "source" scale_y3 = "1.000000" shader4 = "shaders_glsl/blurs/blur9fast-horizontal.glsl" filter_linear4 = "true" wrap_mode4 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input4 = "false" alias4 = "HALATION_BLUR" float_framebuffer4 = "false" srgb_framebuffer4 = "true" scale_type_x4 = "source" scale_x4 = "1.000000" scale_type_y4 = "source" scale_y4 = "1.000000" shader5 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-mask-resize-vertical.glsl" filter_linear5 = "true" wrap_mode5 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input5 = "false" alias5 = "" float_framebuffer5 = "false" srgb_framebuffer5 = "false" scale_type_x5 = "absolute" scale_x5 = "64" scale_type_y5 = "viewport" scale_y5 = "0.062500" shader6 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-mask-resize-horizontal.glsl" filter_linear6 = "false" wrap_mode6 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input6 = "false" alias6 = "MASK_RESIZE" float_framebuffer6 = "false" srgb_framebuffer6 = "false" scale_type_x6 = "viewport" scale_x6 = "0.062500" scale_type_y6 = "source" scale_y6 = "1.000000" shader7 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-scanlines-horizontal-apply-mask.glsl" filter_linear7 = "true" wrap_mode7 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input7 = "false" alias7 = "MASKED_SCANLINES" float_framebuffer7 = "false" srgb_framebuffer7 = "true" scale_type_x7 = "viewport" scale_x7 = "1.000000" scale_type_y7 = "viewport" scale_y7 = "1.000000" shader8 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-brightpass.glsl" filter_linear8 = "true" wrap_mode8 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input8 = "false" alias8 = "BRIGHTPASS" float_framebuffer8 = "false" srgb_framebuffer8 = "true" scale_type_x8 = "viewport" scale_x8 = "1.000000" scale_type_y8 = "viewport" scale_y8 = "1.000000" shader9 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-bloom-vertical.glsl" filter_linear9 = "true" wrap_mode9 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input9 = "false" alias9 = "" float_framebuffer9 = "false" srgb_framebuffer9 = "true" scale_type_x9 = "source" scale_x9 = "1.000000" scale_type_y9 = "source" scale_y9 = "1.000000" shader10 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-bloom-horizontal-reconstitute.glsl" filter_linear10 = "true" wrap_mode10 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input10 = "false" alias10 = "" float_framebuffer10 = "false" srgb_framebuffer10 = "true" scale_type_x10 = "source" scale_x10 = "1.000000" scale_type_y10 = "source" scale_y10 = "1.000000" shader11 = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/src/crt-royale-geometry-aa-last-pass.glsl" filter_linear11 = "true" wrap_mode11 = "clamp_to_border" mipmap_input11 = "false" alias11 = "" float_framebuffer11 = "false" srgb_framebuffer11 = "false" scale_type_x11 = "viewport" scale_x11 = "1.000000" scale_type_y11 = "viewport" scale_y11 = "1.000000" parameters = "crt_gamma;lcd_gamma;levels_contrast;halation_weight;diffusion_weight;bloom_underestimate_levels;bloom_excess;beam_min_sigma;beam_max_sigma;beam_spot_power;beam_min_shape;beam_max_shape;beam_shape_power;beam_horiz_filter;beam_horiz_sigma;beam_horiz_linear_rgb_weight;convergence_offset_x_r;convergence_offset_x_g;convergence_offset_x_b;convergence_offset_y_r;convergence_offset_y_g;convergence_offset_y_b;mask_type;mask_sample_mode_desired;mask_specify_num_triads;mask_triad_size_desired;mask_num_triads_desired;aa_subpixel_r_offset_y_runtime;aa_cubic_c;aa_gauss_sigma;geom_mode_runtime;geom_radius;geom_view_dist;geom_tilt_angle_x;geom_tilt_angle_y;geom_aspect_ratio_x;geom_aspect_ratio_y;geom_overscan_x;geom_overscan_y;border_size;border_darkness;border_compress;interlace_bff;interlace_1080i" crt_gamma = "2.500001" lcd_gamma = "2.200000" levels_contrast = "0.937500" halation_weight = "0.000000" diffusion_weight = "0.000000" bloom_underestimate_levels = "0.700000" bloom_excess = "0.000000" beam_min_sigma = "0.025000" beam_max_sigma = "0.200000" beam_spot_power = "0.330000" beam_min_shape = "2.000000" beam_max_shape = "4.000000" beam_shape_power = "0.250000" beam_horiz_filter = "0.000000" beam_horiz_sigma = "0.350000" beam_horiz_linear_rgb_weight = "1.000000" convergence_offset_x_r = "0.000000" convergence_offset_x_g = "0.000000" convergence_offset_x_b = "0.000000" convergence_offset_y_r = "0.000000" convergence_offset_y_g = "0.000000" convergence_offset_y_b = "0.000000" mask_type = "1.000000" mask_sample_mode_desired = "0.000000" mask_specify_num_triads = "0.000000" mask_triad_size_desired = "3.000000" mask_num_triads_desired = "480.000000" aa_subpixel_r_offset_y_runtime = "0.000000" aa_cubic_c = "0.500000" aa_gauss_sigma = "0.500000" geom_mode_runtime = "0.000000" geom_radius = "2.000000" geom_view_dist = "2.000000" geom_tilt_angle_x = "0.000000" geom_tilt_angle_y = "0.000000" geom_aspect_ratio_x = "432.000000" geom_aspect_ratio_y = "329.000000" geom_overscan_x = "1.000000" geom_overscan_y = "1.000000" border_size = "0.010000" border_darkness = "2.000000" border_compress = "2.500000" interlace_bff = "0.000000" interlace_1080i = "0.000000" textures = "mask_grille_texture_small;mask_grille_texture_large;mask_slot_texture_small;mask_slot_texture_large;mask_shadow_texture_small;mask_shadow_texture_large" mask_grille_texture_small = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/TileableLinearApertureGrille15Wide8And5d5SpacingResizeTo64.png" mask_grille_texture_small_linear = "true" mask_grille_texture_small_wrap_mode = "repeat" mask_grille_texture_small_mipmap = "false" mask_grille_texture_large = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/TileableLinearApertureGrille15Wide8And5d5Spacing.png" mask_grille_texture_large_linear = "true" mask_grille_texture_large_wrap_mode = "repeat" mask_grille_texture_large_mipmap = "true" mask_slot_texture_small = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/TileableLinearSlotMaskTall15Wide9And4d5Horizontal9d14VerticalSpacingResizeTo64.png" mask_slot_texture_small_linear = "true" mask_slot_texture_small_wrap_mode = "repeat" mask_slot_texture_small_mipmap = "false" mask_slot_texture_large = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/TileableLinearSlotMaskTall15Wide9And4d5Horizontal9d14VerticalSpacing.png" mask_slot_texture_large_linear = "true" mask_slot_texture_large_wrap_mode = "repeat" mask_slot_texture_large_mipmap = "true" mask_shadow_texture_small = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/TileableLinearShadowMaskEDPResizeTo64.png" mask_shadow_texture_small_linear = "true" mask_shadow_texture_small_wrap_mode = "repeat" mask_shadow_texture_small_mipmap = "false" mask_shadow_texture_large = "shaders_glsl/crt/shaders/crt-royale/TileableLinearShadowMaskEDP.png" mask_shadow_texture_large_linear = "true" mask_shadow_texture_large_wrap_mode = "repeat" mask_shadow_texture_large_mipmap = "true"
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bmorrissey wrote: »Anyone here know is a WiiU is worth investing in for emulation? I heard it can be hacked pretty easilly??
Honestly just better off getting a raspberry pi.
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Get another pi then
WiiU emulation is just based off the same emulators that were on the Wii and my experience was they were pretty awful. There's loads of really annoying issues with resolution, the Wii supports all old console resolutions but the emulators are pretty lazy ports that only target standard widescreen resolutions. Doesn't sound like an issue but it pretty much ruins most games for me as you get these awful scrolling artifacts whenever the screen starts to scroll vertically. Plenty of compatibility issues as well. MAME is complete garbage on it and the rest of the emulators favour speed over accuracy and are old ports of older high level emulators. I just gave up as it wasn't worth it and the only good emulation on the wii was the SCUMMVM port that can be used with the wiimote.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Get another pi then
WiiU emulation is just based off the same emulators that were on the Wii and my experience was they were pretty awful. There's loads of really annoying issues with resolution, the Wii supports all old console resolutions but the emulators are pretty lazy ports that only target standard widescreen resolutions. Doesn't sound like an issue but it pretty much ruins most games for me as you get these awful scrolling artifacts whenever the screen starts to scroll vertically. Plenty of compatibility issues as well. MAME is complete garbage on it and the rest of the emulators favour speed over accuracy and are old ports of older high level emulators. I just gave up as it wasn't worth it and the only good emulation on the wii was the SCUMMVM port that can be used with the wiimote.
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bmorrissey wrote: »I have a PI already, it would more be so that i could have all emulated systems and something to play wii and wiiu games all on one system. I have other needs for the PI at the moment.
The only solution to having absolutely everything in one box, its a small living room friendly pc that has reasonable specs. If that's not an option, then compromises will have to be made. Retr0 is very correct in what he says below here....the Wii/Wii U emulators are usually based off ancient releases, and will likely not be very accurate at all.
I'm not really a proponent of Raspberry Pi emulation myself. There's a HUGE difference in playability & visuals between the usual Pi filled with 5k roms...and something with a bit more horspepower. Granted I've not yet tried the Pi 4, seemingly that's able to utilise run ahead. If you can go the small PC route, that's the rolls royce solution when it comes to emulation.Retr0gamer wrote: »Get another pi then
WiiU emulation is just based off the same emulators that were on the Wii and my experience was they were pretty awful. There's loads of really annoying issues with resolution, the Wii supports all old console resolutions but the emulators are pretty lazy ports that only target standard widescreen resolutions. Doesn't sound like an issue but it pretty much ruins most games for me as you get these awful scrolling artifacts whenever the screen starts to scroll vertically. Plenty of compatibility issues as well. MAME is complete garbage on it and the rest of the emulators favour speed over accuracy and are old ports of older high level emulators. I just gave up as it wasn't worth it and the only good emulation on the wii was the SCUMMVM port that can be used with the wiimote.0 -
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bmorrissey wrote: »Fair enough, balls to the PC option, dont have the space, im only looking for something outside of my PSP to emulate the basics like snes, nes etc. And the addition of the wii/wii U games as a bonus feat.
Have you seen the mini atx cases? My previous PC build was a top of the range mini ATX build that was more powerful than the current gen consoles. You can make a really nice cheap PC in a very tiny and smart little box these days.
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So I decided to give PPSSPP a go again.
If you remember the emulator had horrendous sound issues last time I tried it.
Well There's been 3 updates since I last tried and it seems to have sorted those sound issues out.
In the mean time I've given up on playing FF Tactics on the emulator as I got it for android and its a great conversion.
But it does mean I can finally play Tactics Ogre on a system were I'm likely to stick with it and beat.
The bad news is.... where am I going to get the 200 hours to beat this monster of a game!
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So I'm going to bitch about inaccurate emulation again.
First I've gotten to the end of Mishief Makers and noticed one really annoying issue which will become a running theme of the post. There's a boss near the end that requires you to read the writing in objects in the level but it's insanely hard to read as the texture filtering on N64 emulators is nothing like the filtering on the real hardware. It does a pretty good approximation with three point filtering but instead of emulating how the N64 does it the emulator just uses the direct X/open GL API.
Also do not attempt this game with a tribute 64 pad. I love the bad but the gamecube d-pad is just not accurate enough for this game and will really piss you off.
Also tried PS2 emulation.
What an absolute mess this is. Plugins and plugins, selecting different settings for different games. Specific fixes that need to be enabled for different games, and if the game you want to play is mildly obscure, you will have issues.
Plenty of glitches here and worst of all is again the texture filtering and alignment issues which makes sprites and text look awful in games.
It reminds me of early PS1 emulation but at least Beetle there has a renderer that emulated the Aphine renderer on the PS1. I wish someone would do that for PS2 and N64 because relying on tweaks to existing modern APIs doesn't work.
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