Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

Jimmy McGill · 21-09-2020 2:18pm

If you want to hear a good example of the fake Dublin-American accent take a trip on the luas green line from the city centre to Sandyford. You hear some beauties on there.

"omg goys I forgotshhh my leap cord"

Stovepipe · 21-09-2020 3:34pm

If you want yizzer daily dose of Dubness, just tune into Fair Cirree and you'll get a week's supply in one go. Or,wait a while and there'll be a Ryan offspring along in a minute to give you the Clontarf viewpoint.

evad_lhorg · 21-09-2020 4:05pm

A lot of people on TV professionally have a tv voice and don't actually speak like that in real life. I know one.

Some accents just make people sound dumb I find and some are just painful to listen to (thick Cork and Kerry accents come to mind) so people would turn off on that basis Id say.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2020 4:16pm

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I actually like both Brian Kerr and his accent tbh. Ronnie Drew was another one with a voice you could listen to forever imo.

Can't stand the orr-chee-ee accent. Where the **** does that even come from?

It comes from elocution. It's not orr-chee-ee, Its ar-tee-ee. The R is pronounced with an ar sound as in the word "are", not an or sound as in the word "or".

I cant blame RTE for getting its presenters people to pronounce things correctly. It's not the way I speak but I appreciate they have to speak some way, so why not do it correctly?

smellyoldboot · 21-09-2020 4:18pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It comes from elocution. It's not orr-chee-ee, Its R-tee-ee. The R is pronounced with an ar sound as in the word "are", not an or sound as in the word "or".

I cant blame RTE for getting its presenters people to pronounce things correctly. It's not the way I speak but I appreciate they have to speak some way, so why not do it correctly?

Let's not split hairs here. No matter if it's chee or tee. They sound like a cnut either way.

Gimme Kerr or Christy Dignam over that unionist cnut "Dobbo" any day.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2020 4:21pm

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Let's not split hairs here. No matter if it's chee or tee. They sound like a cnut either way.

Gimme Kerr or Christy Dignam over that unionist cnut "Dobbo" any day.

Well, It is tee and not chee. They just pronounce the letters R, T and E correctly. Cant fault them for that.

imme · 21-09-2020 4:38pm

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Let's not split hairs here. No matter if it's chee or tee. They sound like a cnut either way.

Gimme Kerr or Christy Dignam over that unionist cnut "Dobbo" any day.

Because someone speaks a certain way you call them a unionist xxx

How very mature of you.

Dobbo is a fine broadcaster, well done Dobbo I say.

smellyoldboot · 21-09-2020 4:46pm

imme wrote: »

Because someone speaks a certain way you call them a unionist xxx

How very mature of you.

Dobbo is a fine broadcaster, well done Dobbo I say.

I don't know is the accent related to being unionist, they have plenty of rough accents too, but both acts combined certainly render one a cnut.

imme · 21-09-2020 4:50pm

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I don't know is the accent related to being unionist, they have plenty of rough accents too, but both acts combined certainly render one a cnut.

Well done on explaining yourself. :rolleyes:

ThewhiteJesus · 21-09-2020 4:56pm

Mango Joe wrote: »

This.

It seems as though every second person on Irish radio is talking about tree percent increases and turteen tausand and turty new jobs for Dublin.

Its nearly as though people who pronounce dere th's are sent home.

don't forget Tin Lizzy !

21-09-2020 4:58pm

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I don't know is the accent related to being unionist, they have plenty of rough accents too, but both acts combined certainly render one a cnut.

Bryan Dobson actually lives in Dolphin's Barn, where he raised his family. Certainly anything but snobs.

21-09-2020 5:08pm

Jaysus, a bit more diver-settee and more Dundalk needed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SUcvh2TF8A

chrissb8 · 21-09-2020 6:49pm

Because it is so grating sounding and doesn’t belong anywhere near a radio airwave.

Imagine waking up and rolling over to hear that voice

DAT WAS ALRIGH WASN IH?

Mind you, 80% of Irish media comprises of that South Dublin accent where every vowel drags on a bit too long.

A nice Galway accent or more of our soft spoken natives would be welcome.

JustAThought · 21-09-2020 6:57pm

chrissb8 wrote: »

Because it is so grating sounding and doesn’t belong anywhere near a radio airwave.

Imagine waking up and rolling over to hear that voice

DAT WAS ALRIGH WASN IH?

Mind you, 80% of Irish media comprises of that South Dublin accent where every vowel drags on a bit too long.

A nice Galway accent or more of our soft spoken natives would be welcome.

Not Cork or Kerry thou. Might as well
be from outer Mongolia speaking Mong. Isn’t inner city Dub represented enough on Fair ****ty and almost every other Dublin based film that comes out? I’m sick of being abroad and people asking why I don’t have a ‘real’ Dublin accent ... because I’m not a skobie from the flats thats why.

suicide_circus · 21-09-2020 8:08pm

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

If you want to hear a good example of the fake Dublin-American accent take a trip on the luas green line from the city centre to Sandyford. You hear some beauties on there.

"omg goys I forgotshhh my leap cord"

goy

noun
INFORMAL•DEROGATORY

a Jewish name for a non-Jew.

Heckler · 21-09-2020 9:20pm

Matt Coopers "th" is shocking.

Duffy is an unashamed populist. Soon as the salt a de earth comes on hes throwing out the yiz and yer ma and all sorts of ballyfermot ****e. Some langer.

Mules · 21-09-2020 9:27pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It comes from elocution. It's not orr-chee-ee, Its ar-tee-ee. The R is pronounced with an ar sound as in the word "are", not an or sound as in the word "or".

I cant blame RTE for getting its presenters people to pronounce things correctly. It's not the way I speak but I appreciate they have to speak some way, so why not do it correctly?

The arr-tee--ee thing makes them sound like pirates

Mules · 21-09-2020 9:28pm

There's yer man Martin something, from the weather on tg3

21-09-2020 9:30pm

Mules wrote: »

There's yer man Martin something, from the weather on tg3

I hate that bastard

Mules · 21-09-2020 9:32pm

glasso wrote: »

I hate that bastard

He's very annoying, with his happy birthdays and all the rest of it. It doesn't come across as genuine at all.

Hangdogroad · 21-09-2020 9:44pm

De Dubs are de blacks of Oireland.

jmlad2020 · 21-09-2020 11:25pm

Hangdogroad wrote: »

De Dubs are de blacks of Oireland.

They are represented in the media, in TV shows like Love Hate and Irish crime films like the Guard. They are over represented actually.

ShatterAlan · 22-09-2020 5:25am

BBC:

"So, that's a baaaat a wrap.....over to you Vickie for da wevva"

Vickie:

"Sorted and cheers, Trev. So yeah..spotta rain creepin in, innit? Nevva mind, blindin tomorra. Strictly, up next. See ya now, roight (wink).

whisky_galore · 22-09-2020 7:35am

chrissb8 wrote: »

Because it is so grating sounding and doesn’t belong anywhere near a radio airwave.

Imagine waking up and rolling over to hear that voice

DAT WAS ALRIGH WASN IH?

I'd rather listen to two sheets of rusty corrugated iron scraping off each other.

Hangdogroad · 22-09-2020 8:27am

jmlad2020 wrote: »

They are represented in the media, in TV shows like Love Hate and Irish crime films like the Guard. They are over represented actually.

The Guard was set in Galway.

Edgware · 22-09-2020 10:12am

Its terrible the way they are treated as criminals especially when the crime is committed by people from "another area"

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 10:17am

KaneToad wrote: »

What's a 'posh' accent?

Ah there's posh accents in every county. They generally sound as silly as the English post accents.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-09-2020 10:59am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ah there's posh accents in every county. They generally sound as silly as the English post accents.

Well that's ridiculous. I'm from the Midlands and if you pronounce 'th' in words you end up sounding posh according to the lacals. Nothing silly about it. Likewise if you don't elongate vowels in unusual places in words, or pronounce the g ant the end of 'ing' words, you stand out as posh

I love ascents. I love my own accent and I love the accents of the counties around where I'm from. They're full of character

El Tarangu · 22-09-2020 11:05am

don't know if he still on the radio, but this thread reminded me of :

"I'M MOY-CHEALL MCMULLAN"

jmlad2020 · 22-09-2020 11:10am

Hangdogroad wrote: »

The Guard was set in Galway.

Many characters had thick strong dub accents

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 11:29am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well that's ridiculous. I'm from the Midlands and if you pronounce 'th' in words you end up sounding posh according to the lacals. Nothing silly about it. Likewise if you don't elongate vowels in unusual places in words, or pronounce the g ant the end of 'ing' words, you stand out as posh

I love ascents. I love my own accent and I love the accents of the counties around where I'm from. They're full of character

Ah that's not what I mean by posh. There's a variety of posh such as the D4 accent which is horrendous. It sounds backward rather than classy. In fairness I only know Mullingar and I agree with you.

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 11:31am

In terms of thick Dublin accents we have the Snapper, the Van and best of all the Commitments. Possibly some of the best things to come out of Ireland let alone Dublin.

imme · 22-09-2020 11:37am

steddyeddy wrote: »

In terms of thick Dublin accents we have the Snapper, the Van and best of all the Commitments. Possibly some of the best things to come out of Ireland let alone Dublin.

I wouldn't call those examples of thick Dublin accents really.

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 12:02pm

imme wrote: »

I wouldn't call those examples of thick Dublin accents really.

I would and I'm from an area with thick Dublin accents. Where are you from?

imme · 22-09-2020 12:18pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

I would and I'm from an area with thick Dublin accents. Where are you from?

White Irish

The Snapper and The Van stick out to me because they feature Dubliners using their own accents for the part, whereas something like Fair City features putting on accents.

22-09-2020 12:25pm

JustAThought wrote: »

Not Cork or Kerry thou. Might as well
be from outer Mongolia speaking Mong. Isn’t inner city Dub represented enough on Fair ****ty and almost every other Dublin based film that comes out? I’m sick of being abroad and people asking why I don’t have a ‘real’ Dublin accent ... because I’m not a skobie from the flats thats why.

I hate being called "posh" by folk with strong working class Dublin accents, I would regard myself very middling, wouldn't mind having "posh money" though

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 12:33pm

imme wrote: »

White Irish

The Snapper and The Van stick out to me because they feature Dubliners using their own accents for the part, whereas something like Fair City features putting on accents.

Fair City actors aren't convincing as humans let alone Dubliners.

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 12:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate being called "posh" by folk with strong working class Dublin accents, I would regard myself very middling, wouldn't mind having "posh money" though

I can't win really. I'm from Kimmage and had a stronger Dublin accent. When I got my PhD and travelled to a conference in UCD I remember a girl from a private school in Greystones referring to me as posh. It's all quite ridiculous.

Montage of Feck · 22-09-2020 12:37pm

Michelle Dillon, the metrologist who does the weather on rte, has a nice soft west of Ireland accent. Sounds educated yet affable but without any silly affectation.

silverharp · 22-09-2020 1:03pm

if only everyone sounded like Sarah McInerney , even the men

jmlad2020 · 22-09-2020 1:13pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

I can't win really. I'm from Kimmage and had a stronger Dublin accent. When I got my PhD and travelled to a conference in UCD I remember a girl from a private school in Greystones referring to me as posh. It's all quite ridiculous.

Kimmage accent being posh jaysus I think she was being sarcastic.

Tombo2001 · 22-09-2020 1:22pm

Interesting you say 'Dublin accent' as less than half the people in Dublin would have this type of accent. Far more people would have what would be normally described as a Southside accent, which is a middle class Dublin accent.

The accent you are describing is the traditional working class Dublin accent - I dont know any other way to describe it really.

If there is a better way, let us know.

Its a good point though.

The answer really is that most people who work in Media are middle class. Thats it in a nutshell, Joe Duffy was an anomaly and only got into RTE because Gay Byrne took him under his wing. Its not just media though, its any profession that is typically middle class. You wont find too many doctors with strong Dublin accents either, or Dentists or Solicitors.

Tombo2001 · 22-09-2020 1:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate being called "posh" by folk with strong working class Dublin accents, I would regard myself very middling, wouldn't mind having "posh money" though

This - I lived for a long while in an area that had a mix of so-called middle class and working class. The difference 100% was the accent and culture, it had flip all to do with income. A lot of the middle class people would have been teachers and would have damn all cash, while a lot of the working class would have been in trades or construction and would have been loaded, new cars, fancy holidays etc.

And yet some people would still make out the middle class were somehow posh, used to annoy me no end.

The difference is entirely one of culture. A big dividing line for example was voting (FG/ LAB vs SinnFein) or where people stood on things like water charges.

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 3:40pm

jmlad2020 wrote: »

Kimmage accent being posh jaysus I think she was being sarcastic.

I'm not sure how Kimmage it is anymore to be honest.

jmlad2020 · 22-09-2020 4:54pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not sure how Kimmage it is anymore to be honest.

Oh a fake Kimmage accent.

When the new Luas line gets built in Kimmage your people will be no more. Wiped out

mariaalice · 22-09-2020 5:03pm

I put this up before but to me, this is the quintessential older dublin accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQobhG6PORA

mariaalice · 22-09-2020 5:09pm

There was a Dublin trade unionist and signer and irish speaker, can't think of his name at the moment, who believed it was Luke Kelly that made the Dublin accent acceptable.

Zascar · 22-09-2020 5:27pm

mariaalice wrote: »

I put this up before but to me, this is the quintessential older dublin accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQobhG6PORA

Unfortunately now the Dublin accent has morphed into some bastardization of misprnouncing most words and generally sounding like a junkie.

There is a reason it's not more in the media, to be in the media you should speak properly. They should teach kids to speak properly inschool. It doesn't mean you lose your accent - you can still have an accept but prmounce your works and use grammar properly. I find it a bit sad that speaking proper English and using correct grammar is now considered 'posh'.

mariaalice · 22-09-2020 5:30pm

Zascar wrote: »

Unfortunately now the Dublin accent has morphed into some bastardization of misprnouncing most words and generally sounding like a junkie.

There is a reason it's not more in the media, to be in the media you should speak properly. They should teach kids to speak properly inschool. It doesn't mean you lose your accent - you can still have an accept but prmounce your works and use grammar properly. I find it a bit sad that speaking proper English and using correct grammar is now considered 'posh'.

That is why I said older Dublin accent very few under 40 would have that accent now.

steddyeddy · 22-09-2020 6:26pm

jmlad2020 wrote: »

Oh a fake Kimmage accent.

When the new Luas line gets built in Kimmage your people will be no more. Wiped out

I think the culchie brogue has wiped out the accent by now.

Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

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