Has PBP/Solidarity/RISE actually done anything?

Dorakman · 05-04-2020 10:24am #1

They’re like that guy in class who keeps making fart sounds when people are trying to speak, not really bad natured, but immature and irritating. Outside of occasionally yelling into a megaphone, have they actually done anything, specifically for their communities?

walshb · 05-04-2020 10:29am

Other than asking for money and more money for people, which is pretty ironic, considering they seem to be anti profit and anti money and anti wealth and anti anyone doing well for themselves; no, they’ve done nothing!!!

Salary Negotiator · 05-04-2020 10:46am

Didn’t they lead the water charge protest?

As much as I disagree with them they were successful at that.

It’ll be interesting how the incoming government handle the impending recession and whether PBP etc can make further in-roads, because they were stagnating and another few years of growth (both of the economy and Sinn Fein) might have made them an irrelevance.

JohnnyFlash · 05-04-2020 1:07pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Didn’t they lead the water charge protest?

As much as I disagree with them they were successful at that.

It’ll be interesting how the incoming government handle the impending recession and whether PBP etc can make further in-roads, because they were stagnating and another few years of growth (both of the economy and Sinn Fein) might have made them an irrelevance.

Socialists protesting against water charges. Only in Ireland.

jimmyrustle · 05-04-2020 4:50pm

Loath as I am to give them credit for anything, I don't think the abortion referendum would have happened without Ruth Coppinger constantly moaning from the sidelines.

Not that I'd be any sort of demented repealer by any means, but without them I doubt the vote would have happened.

Aside from that, though they aren't remotely near power, establishment figures are in fear of the reaction from them and faux leftists like Labour when it comes to taking a strong stand on immigration etc.

Plumbthedepths · 05-04-2020 4:51pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Socialists protesting against water charges. Only in Ireland.

Could be wrong but aren't Socialists opposed to privatisation?

05-04-2020 4:55pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Could be wrong but aren't Socialists opposed to privatisation?

Their campaign was against water CHARGES, Irish water is still working away and will be for the foreseeable future.

And the campaign seems to have disappeared.

Peruvian Flake · 05-04-2020 4:56pm

Depends what you mean by anything.

https://www.cym.ie/2020/03/23/sexual-abuse-in-your-party-an-open-letter-to-mick-barry-richard-boyd-barrett-gino-kenny-paul-murphy-brid-smith/

Plumbthedepths · 05-04-2020 4:58pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Their campaign was against water CHARGES, Irish water is still working away and will be for the foreseeable future.

They were also against privatisation, who suggested they weren't working away. Are you creating a straw man?
And the campaign seems to have disappeared.

As have charges and the prospect of privatisation, kind of pointless having a campaign against a situation which is non existent, don't you think?

mynamejeff · 05-04-2020 5:10pm

Those groups aren't there to achieve anything .

God forbid if they did they would have to stop protesting and do something approaching work

they consist in the main of maladjusted individuals with few positive human features

parasites feeding off the pain and suffering of others for their own enrichment ,

then again that's most politicians

Eric Cartman · 05-04-2020 6:09pm

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Loath as I am to give them credit for anything, I don't think the abortion referendum would have happened without Ruth Coppinger constantly moaning from the sidelines.

Not that I'd be any sort of demented repealer by any means, but without them I doubt the vote would have happened.

Aside from that, though they aren't remotely near power, establishment figures are in fear of the reaction from them and faux leftists like Labour when it comes to taking a strong stand on immigration etc.

A progressive shift in ireland won that campaign , it was won despite the repeal jumper crowd and obp bot because of them , their divisive mud slinging, internet shaming and poster removing campaign rallied more fence sitters against the movement than for it. Im convinced that had they been excluded from the entire campaign that it would have even passed by a larger majority considering all of the mainstream rational parties were onboard with it.

Lonesomerhodes · 05-04-2020 6:56pm

Pied pipers for the unthinking working class.

No answers for anything just a protest party that rabbit on about peace and equality yet and deeply intolerant of anyone with Christian or conservative values to such an extent they hound those folk out of their parties and political offshoots as happened in Galway.

They are basically parties for people who cant or wont think.

People before profit or Anti Austerity Alliance for example is a vacuous trite nice sounding thing but ultimately means nothing as why not call the party Free Everything for Everyone?.
Same principal.
Names that appeal to those who wont even look past a name. Says it all.

The chopping and changing of names shows their flip flop attitude to anything. No conviction.

Rise or Solidarity or people before profit or anti auterity alliance etc etc or whatever they call themselves tomorrow care not one jot about their party members.

How about their millionaire mouthpiece Kieran Allen?.
He can relate to unemployed young lads in Finglas eh!.

Boyd Barrett Paul Murphy Ruth Coppinger Brid Smith etc ride the "protest party" gravy train forever knowing their followers will never question them as they laugh all the way to the bank.

jimmyrustle · 05-04-2020 7:19pm

Peruvian Flake wrote: »

Depends what you mean by anything.

https://www.cym.ie/2020/03/23/sexual-abuse-in-your-party-an-open-letter-to-mick-barry-richard-boyd-barrett-gino-kenny-paul-murphy-brid-smith/

The actual irony.

The Connolly Youth Movement are likely the biggest bunch of sexual miscreants out there. An absolute comedy show of D4 tankies and other assorted unemployable losers.

Their Holocaust revisionism inspired rewriting of communist China's role in our current disaster is hilarious reading. It is plainly obvious your man Alex isn't at all well upstairs.

Dorakman · 05-04-2020 7:40pm

jimmyrustle wrote: »

The actual irony.

The Connolly Youth Movement are likely the biggest bunch of sexual miscreants out there. An absolute comedy show of D4 tankies and other assorted unemployable losers.

Their Holocaust revisionism inspired rewriting of communist China's role in our current disaster is hilarious reading. It is plainly obvious your man Alex isn't at all well upstairs.

He’s actually a violent thug, and has no qualms about admitting such. His entire attitude is based on “with us or against us”.

jimmyrustle · 05-04-2020 7:43pm

Dorakman wrote: »

He’s actually a violent thug, and has no qualms about admitting such. His entire attitude is based on “with us or against us”.

Alex? Leave it out, violent against who exactly?

For all his ACAB ranting he strikes me as someone who would be crying for their help at the first sign of trouble. An absolute wimp in real life I'd imagine.

Dorakman · 05-04-2020 7:55pm

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Alex? Leave it out, violent against who exactly?

For all his ACAB ranting he strikes me as someone who would be crying for their help at the first sign of trouble. An absolute wimp in real life I'd imagine.

Just checked his Facebook. He posted a story about a Fine Gael member getting struck on the head with a hammer, and a bomb being left outside the meeting hall. He referred to this as “an excellent act” and suggested that someone should bash Eoin Murphy’s head in with a hammer.

Dorakman · 05-04-2020 7:58pm

Dorakman wrote: »

He’s actually a violent thug, and has no qualms about admitting such. His entire attitude is based on “with us or against us”.

He also referred to hanging Richard Branson as a beautiful idea.

Perhaps he’s a pussy, but this type of ape-like thought process has now place in a civilised country.

jimmyrustle · 05-04-2020 8:17pm

He is a complete fantasist.

He "worked" as an assistant to TD Joan Collins (probably involved trawling Facebook all day).

That a man who routinely calls for the execution of everyone from the FG establishment to the lowliest civil servant* would be granted a Dail security clearance just shows how much of a threat the authorities deem this nerd to actually be.

": by civil servant I'd assume he means any Intreo officer who has cut his dole off in the past

I don't know why but everyone in the CYM looks like they are in the latter stages of AIDS. Probably a lack of exposure to sunlight.

05-04-2020 8:30pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

How about their millionaire mouthpiece Kieran Allen?.
He can relate to unemployed young lads in Finglas eh!.

What's the story of that fella? I think I saw him on my telly box as a commentator during the election results but don't know much about him

Is he another one coming from old money? Has he ever been a TD?

Lonesomerhodes · 05-04-2020 8:41pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

What's the story of that fella? I think I saw him on my telly box as a commentator during the election results but don't know much about him

Is he another one coming from old money? Has he ever been a TD?

Very wealthy lecturer author and hard marxist mouthpiece who was around with Socialist Workers Party before they morphed into people before profit or anti austerity alliance or Solidarity or one of the million other parties and alliances all came from Socialist workers party.

Hes a marxist and in the background of influence with the left.

A champagne socialist if you will

Dorakman · 05-04-2020 8:44pm

jimmyrustle wrote: »

I don't know why but everyone in the CYM looks like they are in the latter stages of AIDS. Probably a lack of exposure to sunlight.

Maybe they’re just used to the malnutrition of a communist diet?

All joking aside though, they’re mainly made up of limp-wristed weaklings and runts who wouldn’t suckle. They expect everything to be handed to them, and hate the idea of someone doing better than them. They denigrate the go-getters of society as “bootlickers”, simply because they’ve had the foresight to get ahead. These people aren’t motivated by equality, they’re motivated by jealousy.

hatrickpatrick · 05-04-2020 8:46pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

Parasites feeding off the pain and suffering of others for their own enrichment

I had no idea the bulk of PBP members were landlords :eek: Have you a source for this?

jimmyrustle · 05-04-2020 8:51pm

Dorakman wrote: »

Maybe they’re just used to the malnutrition of a communist diet?

All joking aside though, they’re mainly made up of limp-wristed weaklings and runts who wouldn’t suckle. They expect everything to be handed to them, and hate the idea of someone doing better than them. They denigrate the go-getters of society as “bootlickers”, simply because they’ve had the foresight to get ahead. These people aren’t motivated by equality, they’re motivated by jealousy.

Their revolutionary ambition is amazing. They seem genuinely convinced that they will one day lead a violent revolution that will overthrow the neolberal state and execute all cogs of the current and previous governments.

The fact we live in an almost gun free society, the fact that the nearest we have had to revolutionary groups have been dissident republicans who haven't put the slightest dent in British rule in 26 years, and the fact that most CYM members would have been deemed unfit for conscription in their beloved USSR for various reasons relating to mental health and sexuality, and thus are wildly unfit for armed insurrection, seem to have escaped their attention. Seriously, take a look at a typical CYM member, then try to imagine them manning a helicopter gunship above Kabul in the mid 80's.

They are by and large a gang of manically depressed emo rich kids, either unemployed or at most part time employed. Cults seem to have fallen largely out of the public consciousness in the last 20 years, they have been replaced with extremist mobs like this one.

Guy:Incognito · 06-04-2020 12:22am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As have charges and the prospect of privatisation, kind of pointless having a campaign against a situation which is non existent, don't you think?

But they were the only ones that said it would be privatised.

Fairly handy when you can make up your own causes I suppose.

Lonesomerhodes · 06-04-2020 1:07am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I had no idea the bulk of PBP members were landlords :eek: Have you a source for this?

No they are worse parasites.
At Least landlords provide a roof ovef your head!.
The leftie leaders promise jobs/homes/quote on quote "equality"/ free healthcare and endless other amounts of wonderful things they cant possibly provide while taking donations getting people to "volunteer" etc etc while the liks of Paul Murphy lord it up. Over €20,000 in expenses alone one calendat year!.

The fact people havent seen through these leftie loola's swindle staggers me.

I fell for it as a very young student went to some of their meetings (ie propaganda rallies ha) we all make mistakes but when I seen they ultimately were the go nowhere promise everything lot well to quote Johnny Bravo it "Grew very old very fast".
I came to the age of reason and started to think for myself

Plumbthedepths · 06-04-2020 1:11am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But they were the only ones that said it would be privatised.

Fairly handy when you can make up your own causes I suppose.

Actually Fergus O'Dowd a former FG junior minister made privatisation claims of Irish Water in the Dail. A Google search will confirm this.

Lonesomerhodes · 06-04-2020 10:14pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually Fergus O'Dowd a former FG junior minister made privatisation claims of Irish Water in the Dail. A Google search will confirm this.

A quango like Irish Water?. Who'd of thought eh!.

piplip87 · 06-04-2020 10:21pm

Well aside from the fact they keep splitting, why do they split ? Is there more money to be gained from having three separate groups in the Dail.

Look at their manifesto for the last election..

Wanting to nationalise pharmaceutical companies set up here.

Nationalise the banks, Insurance and Building companies.

I remember at the time of the water protests they where there but always had a collection bucket with them.

Then there was the Jobstown not guilty craic. Again massive fund raising effort yet all defenders got free legal aid ?

They seem to want to represent the "permanent jobseekers, I remember they had on some piece of literature a few years ago that they would stop hassling the Unemployed to find work....

They are a protest party, not serious about entering government, where anti EU but didn't want to be seen to side with the Tories so that stance has changed again......

Basically they are Shinners without the RA

Lonesomerhodes · 06-04-2020 10:30pm

piplip87 wrote: »

Well aside from the fact they keep splitting, why do they split ? Is there more money to be gained from having three separate groups in the Dail.

Look at their manifesto for the last election..

Wanting to nationalise pharmaceutical companies set up here.

Nationalise the banks, Insurance and Building companies.

I remember at the time of the water protests they where there but always had a collection bucket with them.

Then there was the Jobstown not guilty craic. Again massive fund raising effort yet all defenders got free legal aid ?

They seem to want to represent the "permanent jobseekers, I remember they had on some piece of literature a few years ago that they would stop hassling the Unemployed to find work....

They are a protest party, not serious about entering government, where anti EU but didn't want to be seen to side with the Tories so that stance has changed again......

Basically they are Shinners without the RA

Good points.

People say they were behind the water protests not true.
Right to water was independent and other water protests organised by yellow vest movement and as lefties do get involved and take over and then let on they were responsible for the entire thing.

Like a water protest and they take over with megaphones absolutely massive socialist/communist flags and banners and litter the place with tens of thousands flyers of socialist propaganda promising everything for nothing despite the protest having nothing to do with
a) Socialism
b) Party politics

Its a well oiled machine.

Eric Cartman · 06-04-2020 10:36pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Good points.

People say they were behind the water protests not true.
Right to water was independent and other water protests organised by yellow vest movement and as lefties do get involved and take over and then let on they were responsible for the entire thing.

Like a water protest and they take over with megaphones absolutely massive socialist/communist flags and banners and litter the place with tens of thousands flyers of socialist propaganda promising everything for nothing despite the protest having nothing to do with
a) Socialism
b) Party politics

Its a well oiled machine.

Same with FG and labours same sex marriage campaign, FG and Labour's Repeal the 8th campaign. They show up with banners and pretend they started every movement.

Rodney Bathgate · 06-04-2020 10:37pm

piplip87 wrote: »

Well aside from the fact they keep splitting, why do they split ? Is there more money to be gained from having three separate groups in the Dail.

Look at their manifesto for the last election..

Wanting to nationalise pharmaceutical companies set up here.

Nationalise the banks, Insurance and Building companies.

I remember at the time of the water protests they where there but always had a collection bucket with them.

Then there was the Jobstown not guilty craic. Again massive fund raising effort yet all defenders got free legal aid ?

They seem to want to represent the "permanent jobseekers, I remember they had on some piece of literature a few years ago that they would stop hassling the Unemployed to find work....

They are a protest party, not serious about entering government, where anti EU but didn't want to be seen to side with the Tories so that stance has changed again......

Basically they are Shinners without the RA

Nationalist Dell was another suggestion from Coppinger.

Lonesomerhodes · 06-04-2020 11:30pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Same with FG and labours same sex marriage campaign, FG and Labour's Repeal the 8th campaign. They show up with banners and pretend they started every movement.

Yes but pbp/Solidarity/Rise insert name here
Claim they are entirely different to Labour/FG etc and wouldn't engage in their methods.

Yeah right!

theballz · 08-04-2020 12:06pm

They have done absolutely nothing. 2-3 year max and these clowns won't exist.

padd b1975 · 08-04-2020 1:35pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Nationalist Dell was another suggestion from Coppinger.

She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

Such a sore and classless loser.

keano_afc · 09-04-2020 10:57am

Most baffling of all is the amount of exposure these cretins get. Turn on any RTE discussion show and you'll inevitably see Rich Boy or Brid Smith on moaning about whatever the topic is. They poll around 1-2% yet are almost ubiquitous on the state broadcaster.

jimmyrustle · 09-04-2020 11:01am

padd b1975 wrote: »

She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

Such a sore and classless loser.

The vast majority of left candidates in the last election were white and Irish. Save for one in Balbriggan I think they might all have been.

It's amazing how few former asylum seekers are politically active, given so many of them presumably had to flee their homelands because of their firebrand activism.....

Eric Cartman · 09-04-2020 11:33am

jimmyrustle wrote: »

The vast majority of left candidates in the last election were white and Irish. Save for one in Balbriggan I think they might all have been.

It's amazing how few former asylum seekers are politically active, given so many of them presumably had to flee their homelands because of their firebrand activism.....

funny one that.

I think the soc Dems learned the hard way that immigrants aren't the way to go after that one they ran who turned out to have completely falsified her story and come to the country under false asylum.

jimmyrustle · 09-04-2020 12:02pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

funny one that.

I think the soc Dems learned the hard way that immigrants aren't the way to go after that one they ran who turned out to have completely falsified her story and come to the country under false asylum.

I listed in a previous post left wing cause celebres who were later unearthed as less than flawless after even the most basic digging.

- Margaret Cash
- Erica Fleming
- Joe Loughnane
- Ibrahim Halawa
- Terry McMahon
- the deported rapist found dead on Grafton St

I had forgotten about the bould Ellie Kisyombe.

I've also had reason to wonder about the homeless man who was hit by a digger at the canal side in Dublin.

He may not be the same person as someone else I was thinking of, but I found it strange they never named him, and he does share a few similarities with someone who was previously in the news (nationality, age, homeless status, date of entering the country, approximate age)

Edgware · 09-04-2020 12:04pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

Such a sore and classless loser.

She got the message from Dublin West and the Seanad voters. She can carry on the revolution by herself

jimmyrustle · 09-04-2020 12:06pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

Such a sore and classless loser.

Ironically it was the perceived diversity of the Fingal housing list, and her happiness with the status quo, that got her booted out when her base in the Blanch area didn't turn out to vote for her because of said issue.

nigeldaniel · 09-04-2020 12:09pm

Some of them are half-decent politicians but a lot are so far down the soviet idea road that no hope exists for them. When it comes to doing things they are just too angry and that serves them no good at all.

keano_afc · 09-04-2020 12:15pm

jimmyrustle wrote: »

I listed in a previous post left wing cause celebres who were later unearthed as less than flawless after even the most basic digging.

- Margaret Cash
- Erica Fleming
- Joe Loughnane
- Ibrahim Halawa
- Terry McMahon
- the deported rapist found dead on Grafton St

I had forgotten about the bould Ellie Kisyombe.

I've also had reason to wonder about the homeless man who was hit by a digger at the canal side in Dublin.

He may not be the same person as someone else I was thinking of, but I found it strange they never named him, and he does share a few similarities with someone who was previously in the news (nationality, age, homeless status, date of entering the country, approximate age)

Conor Reddy belongs in here too. Rising star, yet during the election campaign nobody saw fit to ask him why he tried to silence rape victims.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-before-profit-group-defend-removing-posters-advertising-pro-life-event-in-dublin-36176917.html

mariaalice · 09-04-2020 12:29pm

Some are good politicians, but for the vast majority, it's not about politics its about being an activist its a lifestyle.

It is baffling the amount of attention they get versus the percentage of the voters they represent.

On the other hand, the stereotype that their supporters are unemployable lowlifes is just not true. Hard as it might be to understand there are educated intelligent hard-working people who truly believe in class war, oppression ect as the caue of all societies ills.

It is another version of follow us paradise is just around the Conor.

ec18 · 09-04-2020 12:30pm

They've gotten their retirements sorted

Eric Cartman · 09-04-2020 12:33pm

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Ironically it was the perceived diversity of the Fingal housing list, and her happiness with the status quo, that got her booted out when her base in the Blanch area didn't turn out to vote for her because of said issue.

As much as I'm no champion of them, It brings me great joy that the Irish voting populous had more time for Noel Grealish, Verona Murphy and Ronan Mullen than Ruth Coppwhinger.

Dorakman · 09-04-2020 12:34pm

keano_afc wrote: »

Conor Reddy belongs in here too. Rising star, yet during the election campaign nobody saw fit to ask him why he tried to silence rape victims.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-before-profit-group-defend-removing-posters-advertising-pro-life-event-in-dublin-36176917.html

They only support rape victims if it fits their agenda. Like I said to a previous poster, these people are fanatics and if you’re not with them, you’re against them. It’s fortunate they tend to be so limp-wristed, because despite espousing violence acceptable for their greater good, most of these twits are too weak to throw a punch.

jimmyrustle · 09-04-2020 12:37pm

Dorakman wrote: »

They only support rape victims if it fits their agenda.

Can never quite understand how they bang on about rape til the cows come home yet advocate for the same loopy migration policies that put the sexual assault rates in Germany and Sweden through the roof.

I'm fairly sure one of them asked for an initial migrant allocation of 40,000 at one stage.

mariaalice · 09-04-2020 12:49pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/people-before-profit-richard-boyd-barrett-left-vote-4992173-Feb2020/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Party_of_Ireland

PommieBast · 17-04-2020 5:22am

PBP have put out quite a few paid-for posts on Facebook the last week or so. Anyone else noticed them?

blanch152 · 17-04-2020 1:40pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Could be wrong but aren't Socialists opposed to privatisation?

Yes, socialists are opposed to privatisation, but privatisation was never on the agenda.

Out of mountains and mountains of reports, documents, papers, proposals etc., they managed to produce one letter (yes, one single letter out of context) from the Commission that made an enquiry about privatisation as their Eureka moment, even though the response from the Irish government to that letter made it clear that privatisation wasn't on the agenda.

That still didn't stop the idiotic promotion of the idea that this was all about Denis O'Brien and privatisation. It was never about that.

It was a FF/Green idea to centralise the provision of water into a State company and charge by use for it, a sensible idea supported at the time by Fine Gael, Labour and Sinn Fein and a practice that is common in other civilised Western nations. PBP successfully capitalised (exploited?) on ignorant and conspiracy theory level fears that gradually took hold of the public debate in a manner which mirrored the pattern more recently followed by Trump and Johnson in political maneuverings. Sinn Fein followed the protest noise, and soon others were dragged into it as well, before we ended up where we are.

Don't think it is gone for ever though. Covid-19 makes all sorts of political change possible.

James Brown · 17-04-2020 7:19pm

*Siteserv deal still under investigation*

***********

They are doing a pretty good job at pointing out current Fine Gael cronyism and how taxpayer money is enriching the usual cohorts during this crisis. Whatever their politics that's a national service, not that we need reminding of what FF/FG are.

Has PBP/Solidarity/RISE actually done anything?

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