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Has PBP/Solidarity/RISE actually done anything?

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    #32
    Lonesomerhodes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Lonesomerhodes


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Same with FG and labours same sex marriage campaign, FG and Labour's Repeal the 8th campaign. They show up with banners and pretend they started every movement.

    Yes but pbp/Solidarity/Rise insert name here
    Claim they are entirely different to Labour/FG etc and wouldn't engage in their methods.

    Yeah right!


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    #33
    theballz
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    They have done absolutely nothing. 2-3 year max and these clowns won't exist.


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    #34
    padd b1975
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Nationalist Dell was another suggestion from Coppinger.

    She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

    Such a sore and classless loser.


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    #35
    keano_afc
    Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Most baffling of all is the amount of exposure these cretins get. Turn on any RTE discussion show and you'll inevitably see Rich Boy or Brid Smith on moaning about whatever the topic is. They poll around 1-2% yet are almost ubiquitous on the state broadcaster.


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    #36
    jimmyrustle
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

    Such a sore and classless loser.

    The vast majority of left candidates in the last election were white and Irish. Save for one in Balbriggan I think they might all have been.

    It's amazing how few former asylum seekers are politically active, given so many of them presumably had to flee their homelands because of their firebrand activism.....


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    #37
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    The vast majority of left candidates in the last election were white and Irish. Save for one in Balbriggan I think they might all have been.

    It's amazing how few former asylum seekers are politically active, given so many of them presumably had to flee their homelands because of their firebrand activism.....

    funny one that.

    I think the soc Dems learned the hard way that immigrants aren't the way to go after that one they ran who turned out to have completely falsified her story and come to the country under false asylum.


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    #38
    jimmyrustle
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    funny one that.

    I think the soc Dems learned the hard way that immigrants aren't the way to go after that one they ran who turned out to have completely falsified her story and come to the country under false asylum.

    I listed in a previous post left wing cause celebres who were later unearthed as less than flawless after even the most basic digging.

    - Margaret Cash
    - Erica Fleming
    - Joe Loughnane
    - Ibrahim Halawa
    - Terry McMahon
    - the deported rapist found dead on Grafton St

    I had forgotten about the bould Ellie Kisyombe.


    I've also had reason to wonder about the homeless man who was hit by a digger at the canal side in Dublin.

    He may not be the same person as someone else I was thinking of, but I found it strange they never named him, and he does share a few similarities with someone who was previously in the news (nationality, age, homeless status, date of entering the country, approximate age)


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    #39
    Edgware
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

    Such a sore and classless loser.
    She got the message from Dublin West and the Seanad voters. She can carry on the revolution by herself


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    #40
    jimmyrustle
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    She was sneering about the lack of diversity among the FG senators the other day.

    Such a sore and classless loser.

    Ironically it was the perceived diversity of the Fingal housing list, and her happiness with the status quo, that got her booted out when her base in the Blanch area didn't turn out to vote for her because of said issue.


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    #41
    nigeldaniel
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    Some of them are half-decent politicians but a lot are so far down the soviet idea road that no hope exists for them. When it comes to doing things they are just too angry and that serves them no good at all.

    Dan.



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    #42
    keano_afc
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    I listed in a previous post left wing cause celebres who were later unearthed as less than flawless after even the most basic digging.

    - Margaret Cash
    - Erica Fleming
    - Joe Loughnane
    - Ibrahim Halawa
    - Terry McMahon
    - the deported rapist found dead on Grafton St

    I had forgotten about the bould Ellie Kisyombe.


    I've also had reason to wonder about the homeless man who was hit by a digger at the canal side in Dublin.

    He may not be the same person as someone else I was thinking of, but I found it strange they never named him, and he does share a few similarities with someone who was previously in the news (nationality, age, homeless status, date of entering the country, approximate age)

    Conor Reddy belongs in here too. Rising star, yet during the election campaign nobody saw fit to ask him why he tried to silence rape victims.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-before-profit-group-defend-removing-posters-advertising-pro-life-event-in-dublin-36176917.html


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    #43
    mariaalice
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    Some are good politicians, but for the vast majority, it's not about politics its about being an activist its a lifestyle.

    It is baffling the amount of attention they get versus the percentage of the voters they represent.

    On the other hand, the stereotype that their supporters are unemployable lowlifes is just not true. Hard as it might be to understand there are educated intelligent hard-working people who truly believe in class war, oppression ect as the caue of all societies ills.

    It is another version of follow us paradise is just around the Conor.


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    #44
    ec18
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    They've gotten their retirements sorted


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    #45
    Eric Cartman
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    Ironically it was the perceived diversity of the Fingal housing list, and her happiness with the status quo, that got her booted out when her base in the Blanch area didn't turn out to vote for her because of said issue.

    As much as I'm no champion of them, It brings me great joy that the Irish voting populous had more time for Noel Grealish, Verona Murphy and Ronan Mullen than Ruth Coppwhinger.


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    #46
    Dorakman
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    keano_afc wrote: »
    Conor Reddy belongs in here too. Rising star, yet during the election campaign nobody saw fit to ask him why he tried to silence rape victims.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-before-profit-group-defend-removing-posters-advertising-pro-life-event-in-dublin-36176917.html

    They only support rape victims if it fits their agenda. Like I said to a previous poster, these people are fanatics and if you’re not with them, you’re against them. It’s fortunate they tend to be so limp-wristed, because despite espousing violence acceptable for their greater good, most of these twits are too weak to throw a punch.


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    #47
    jimmyrustle
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    Dorakman wrote: »
    They only support rape victims if it fits their agenda.

    Can never quite understand how they bang on about rape til the cows come home yet advocate for the same loopy migration policies that put the sexual assault rates in Germany and Sweden through the roof.

    I'm fairly sure one of them asked for an initial migrant allocation of 40,000 at one stage.


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    #48
    mariaalice
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    https://www.thejournal.ie/people-before-profit-richard-boyd-barrett-left-vote-4992173-Feb2020/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Party_of_Ireland


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    #49
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    PBP have put out quite a few paid-for posts on Facebook the last week or so. Anyone else noticed them?


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    #50
    blanch152
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Could be wrong but aren't Socialists opposed to privatisation?

    Yes, socialists are opposed to privatisation, but privatisation was never on the agenda.

    Out of mountains and mountains of reports, documents, papers, proposals etc., they managed to produce one letter (yes, one single letter out of context) from the Commission that made an enquiry about privatisation as their Eureka moment, even though the response from the Irish government to that letter made it clear that privatisation wasn't on the agenda.

    That still didn't stop the idiotic promotion of the idea that this was all about Denis O'Brien and privatisation. It was never about that.

    It was a FF/Green idea to centralise the provision of water into a State company and charge by use for it, a sensible idea supported at the time by Fine Gael, Labour and Sinn Fein and a practice that is common in other civilised Western nations. PBP successfully capitalised (exploited?) on ignorant and conspiracy theory level fears that gradually took hold of the public debate in a manner which mirrored the pattern more recently followed by Trump and Johnson in political maneuverings. Sinn Fein followed the protest noise, and soon others were dragged into it as well, before we ended up where we are.

    Don't think it is gone for ever though. Covid-19 makes all sorts of political change possible.


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    #51
    James Brown
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    *Siteserv deal still under investigation*

    ***********

    They are doing a pretty good job at pointing out current Fine Gael cronyism and how taxpayer money is enriching the usual cohorts during this crisis. Whatever their politics that's a national service, not that we need reminding of what FF/FG are.


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    #52
    Patser
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    Ahh, good old PBP alternative budget.

    €50 extra a week on social welfare, free GPs, free public transport, €4.2billion spend on housing, buying up of private hospitals for €2.5billion, extra €1billion on track and trace. All brilliant but where does money come from....

    Well the top 5% of course - hit them with a 65% tax rate, plus a 5% undefined 'wealth tax', oh and double corporation tax, and add another 10% on to pharma and health insurance (who'd have health insurance if all private hospitals are nationalised, and GPs are free) profits.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/budget-2021/2020/1012/1171050-pbp-budget/


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    #53
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Patser wrote: »
    Ahh, good old PBP alternative budget.

    €50 extra a week on social welfare, free GPs, free public transport, €4.2billion spend on housing, buying up of private hospitals for €2.5billion, extra €1billion on track and trace. All brilliant but where does money come from....

    Well the top 5% of course - hit them with a 65% tax rate, plus a 5% undefined 'wealth tax', oh and double corporation tax, and add another 10% on to pharma and health insurance (who'd have health insurance if all private hospitals are nationalised, and GPs are free) profits.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/budget-2021/2020/1012/1171050-pbp-budget/

    The classic “make all the FDI leave and bankrupt the country” budget


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    #54
    statesaver
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    Didn't Ruth want to nationalize Dell years ago.


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    #55
    [Deleted User]
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    Has Paul Murphy joined PBP?


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    #56
    L1011
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Has Paul Murphy joined PBP?

    They're ideologically incompatible to an immense level. Never going to happen.


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    #57
    [Deleted User]
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    L1011 wrote: »
    They're ideologically incompatible to an immense level. Never going to happen.

    Why is he holding up their pamphlet at PBP press conference?


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    #58
    paw patrol
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    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    Didn’t they lead the water charge protest?

    As much as I disagree with them they were successful at that.


    They were part of the water charges protest not leading it. The majority of the protesters didn't like the PBP or RISE or paul murphy cos they along with far left sinn fein types dragged the campaign into the gutter with their antics.
    They ruined every protest march by trying to drag the protests off into other tangents like homelessness and anti racism ..diluting the message , that's why they'll never do anything



    Their only achievement was threatening Joan Burton and forcing her into a car. pathetic behaviour


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    #59
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭Patser


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why is he holding up their pamphlet at PBP press conference?

    Is that him?

    Last I knew he'd had a falling out with Socialist Party and formed his own party, RISE
    statesaver wrote: »
    Didn't Ruth want to nationalize Dell years ago.

    Yes.

    Also suggested nationalising Dunne's stores over a wage dispute a few years ago (lead into suggesting that by naively following a journalists line of questions)

    Edit:

    Here's relevant interview, with her still defending her call for Dell nationalisation. Also worth pointing out though in relevance to this thread, Coppinger was never a member of PBP (she did share a stance with them when Socialist Party and PBP briefly campaigned together under umberella logo of Anti-Austerity Alliance)

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ruth-coppinger-interview-2040266-Apr2015/


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    #60
    PommieBast
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    Patser wrote: »
    Last I knew he'd had a falling out with Socialist Party and formed his own party, RISE
    Have that lot even been able to keep the same name for more than one election?


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    #61
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭Patser


    PommieBast wrote: »
    Have that lot even been able to keep the same name for more than one election?

    Who?
    The Socialist workers party?
    or the Socialist Party?
    or the Anti Austerity Alliance?
    or Solidarity?
    or RISE?
    or their other splinter group Independents 4 Change? Which was a spin off of the United Left Alliance (which also originally included PBP and Socialist Party), so maybe it's the ULA you're referring to?

    Or did you want to go back more than last 25 years?


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