When will we fly again?

bluelamp wrote: »

It depends on your perspective I suppose.

I know if we get away in June there will be social distancing restrictions in place, but at least we will be abroad, in the sun, and we will make the most of it as best we can.

Theres going to be a huge number of people cancelling, so I doubt there will be any issues with holiday destinations implementing distancing measures.

As regards the flying aspect, it would be plastered all over the news by now if 1000's of airline / airport staff had become infected disproportionatly. There are no reports of it spreading like wildfire on planes. I'd probably wear a mask, carry a bit of hand sanitiser, and not eat on the plane, but apart from that I wouldn't be worried.

I'd bring a pack of disinfectant wipes for the room when we arrive, and I'll rent a car so we have as little close contact with people as possible.

Of course if the government still have a travel advisory against travel, or have a quarantine period on return, we wont go. But otherwise, we will be there.

We can either make a few minor changes like what I've mentioned and go away and have a good time, or we can sit at home. Of course it's different if you're of a certain age or have health considerations etc etc.

Sounds likes a great start to a most memorable holiday.

Sam Hain wrote: »

Sounds likes a great start to a most memorable holiday.

Some of us will get on with life, like we have been told we will have to, by the government and medical experts.

It's been made very clear we will have to live alongside this virus.

The misery merchants will try and shame everybody into locking themselves into their houses, the more pragmatic of us will do what we are actually told to do, and practice good hygiene and social distancing, and get on with life.

If the government reccomend against travelling - then we wont travel.

Most peoples holidays arent for at least 10 weeks away. So much can improve in that time.

Let's be realistic - travelling between two countries, which will probably have low rates of infection at that point in time, practicing similar social distancing and hygiene practices, is not risky.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

No point yet for me and family members to go abroad to whatever lockdown/social distancing is still in place, compared to staying here in the same boat.

I'd be a bit cautious too about airline travel and all it entails for a while yet. There is no way that planes could observe the 2metre rule, and social distancing will go on for a good while yet no matter what.

I know some people are very brave and divil may care, but most are not. Why go abroad to social distancing and their version of ongoing lockdown and possible quarantine.

Plus I think it would be a pretty miserable time on holidays for a long time. Imagine not being able to act like a holiday maker when you are on your holidays. Stuck in long queues because museums are letting less than half the people in. No craic in the pubs. Restaurants.

Getting your temperatues checked when you land. On person in your party has a slightly high temperature. Quarantine for the lot of you for two weeks and anyone sitting within two rows of you.

Lockdown happens fast. In your destination country they go for another lockdown while you are there.

Just dont see the fun in a holiday atm.

No, I think i'll be giving holidays a miss this year at least.

bluelamp wrote: »

Some of us will get on with life, like we have been told we will have to, by the government and medical experts.

It's been made very clear we will have to live alongside this virus.

The misery merchants will try and shame everybody into locking themselves into their houses, the more pragmatic of us will do what we are actually told to do, and practice good hygiene and social distancing, and get on with life.

If the government reccomend against travelling - then we wont travel.

Most peoples holidays arent for at least 10 weeks away. So much can improve in that time.

Let's be realistic - travelling between two countries, which will probably have low rates of infection at that point in time, practicing similar social distancing and hygiene practices, is not risky.

Looks like somebody has a forthcoming holiday abroad booked and is trying to put a positive twist on things. Hope you enjoy your break if it happens.

Sam Hain wrote: »

Looks like somebody has a forthcoming holiday abroad booked and is trying to put a positive twist on things. Hope you enjoy your break if it happens.

"Looks like?" ... I literally said I have a forthcoming holiday and I am putting a positive twist on things.

I try to have a positive outlook on most things in life - I'd suggest a few people around here give that a try for a while.

Will this be a wake up call to many that the less travel the less stress.....

I mean commuting also not just plane travel....

Look at the devastating impact all this travel has had on our planet.....

I'd like to see a lot less flights and travel in general and get cleaner air and in turn better life.

I love Aldi's pizza. And I don't go to Spain or on any type.of sun holiday.
My last one was Florence and it's museums and art galleries.

How's that for snobbery:)

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Worldwide travel being the biggest contributor to air pollution is a myth.

I honestly hope you're joking..... It's up there with some of the worst....

Look up iron ore mining for starters.... Yes it's for cars too but the fuel used in planes is unreal......

China is also the worst but everyone will still buy from them even after all this....

ShineOn7 wrote: »

This needs to be on feckin' T shirts and billboards the world over

The fans of the actress Greta need to have a long, hard look at themselves

I do love the sound and visual of a good old diesel locomotive starting....

coinop wrote: »

I believe luxury travel will make a comeback before budget backpacker travel does. Compare a middle-class married couple sharing a hotel room in the Hilton to a scruffy college backpacker staying in the cheapest possible hostels in Thailand, 16 strangers to a room all sharing the same toilet, shower and kitchen facilities, cooking his 16 cent ramen noodles in the same unwashed pot that hundreds of hostel residents used before him. It's simply not hygienic or responsible in these times.

It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing either if the price of travel was increased for a while. Fewer crowds at airports means less stress. It would also lead to a decrease in the instagram posers clogging up the popular attractions. At the end of the day, travel is a luxury. It's only in the last 50 years that the average person feels entitled to an annual trip abroad. Mass tourism is still a recent development and we're just beginning to learn about the negative affects it's having on the environment not to mention society as a whole (Air'n'B pricing locals out of their own neighbourhood, for example.) We've seen push back from Barcelona residents over how tourists are destroying their city.

The middle class will be crushed, tax increases to pay for all this, job losses and the very fact that the emperor's clothes are about to be found out, debt levels in Ireland and elsewhere are astronomical and there is simply a tsunami of bankrupticies about to happen which will make 2008 look like a boom year. Those new cars and PCP plans etc will all be repo'd, cheap travel will be the only thing to grow and particularly amongst the under 30's who luckily for them did not get indebted before this thing happened. I am in my early thirties luckily with no debt as I was heavily effected by 2008 and always knew the next collapse was close partially from being pessimistic by nature anyway and ultra cautious. I see plenty people around me with brand new cars, several holidays, expensive houses on mortgage and yes good jobs, however most spent it as quick as they earn and these lads will soon be back home with mammy and daddy on beans and toast whilst fighting repossession orders.

The rich will always have money to travel, younger studenty types will scrimp enough and whilst Ireland has 35% unemployment these types will go travelling to hostels with ryanair etc on their shoestring budgets. Middle-class Ireland will be wrecked and with Fianna Fail about to seize power here the Weimar Republic springs to mind.

theguzman wrote: »

The middle class will be crushed, tax increases to pay for all this, job losses and the very fact that the emperor's clothes are about to be found out, debt levels in Ireland and elsewhere are astronomical and there is simply a tsunami of bankrupticies about to happen which will make 2008 look like a boom year. Those new cars and PCP plans etc will all be repo'd, cheap travel will be the only thing to grow and particularly amongst the under 30's who luckily for them did not get indebted before this thing happened. I am in my early thirties luckily with no debt as I was heavily effected by 2008 and always knew the next collapse was close partially from being pessimistic by nature anyway and ultra cautious. I see plenty people around me with brand new cars, several holidays, expensive houses on mortgage and yes good jobs, however most spent it as quick as they earn and these lads will soon be back home with mammy and daddy on beans and toast whilst fighting repossession

Pessimistic by nature ha! Typical uninformed doom merchant.

why would there be tax increases or austerity?

This crisis is nothing to do with 2008 - ECB rate is -.75% so Irish government along with every other country will borrow and print money.

Germany only paid back their ww2 debt recently - we can do the same for a once in a lifetime (hopefully) global pandemic.

Does anyone honestly think that a normal foreign holiday experience is in anyway possible in the next 12 months, no way can I see it happening?

Had to cancel a foreign wedding in June, would love an extension of travel restrictions so the 60 odd flights people booked could at least get something back.

No allowance or offer whatsoever from aer lingus or Ryanair currently.

Widdensushi wrote: »

The amount of businesses that are going bust and will never open their doors again is serious. Even if the direct covid cost is dealt with longterm there will be a serious budget deficit due to far greater unemployment etc.Everyone will be affected by how this deficit will be addressed.

I agree but I don’t think it will be austerity and tax increases.

Also a lot of business will thrive after this - there will be winners and losers.

We need to get real and shut down travel for much longer, there should only be flights for goods and not people unless absolutely necessary.

This virus is going to come back with a vengeance..... If there is no cure which there isn't then people will let their Gaurd down and fall back into their old habits.....

If one has any type of decency or respect for others and especially the elderly and those with certain health issues and they would like to see them again and hope they can live out their retirement peacefully then stay where you are, you will have many other years to travel.....

johnire wrote: »

How will blocking off the middle rows achieve a 2 metre distance between people? That’s nonsense as they’ve still the problem then of the left and right rows of seats. To achieve the 2 metre distance it would mean no one can sit beside anyone other than someone from the same household and every 4 or 5 rows would have to be empty.

And no cabin service either.

Messiah Victorious Rainstorm wrote: »

This may not be feasible, but it would be good if each country could first eradicate the virus in their country (maybe take 6 months). Less for some, more for others. Then make everyone take test in each airport before flying.

You're clearly a top level epidemiologist. Well done.