When will we fly again?

ninebeanrows

I wonder when we will fly again?

Is it very unrealistic to think we could be flying again and going on holidays in time for the August bank holiday?

I'd be quietly confident that things will slowly get going again from June but like to hear what other people's opinions are?

Sleety_Rain

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I wonder when we will fly again?

Is it very unrealistic to think we could be flying again and going on holidays in time for the August bank holiday?

I'd be quietly confident that things will slowly get going again from June but like to hear what other people's opinions are?

It is so difficult to know, but usually in these things a well-judged compromise between commerce & health & safety ensues. Remember the ash cloud which stopped flying for weeks? It was found upon testing & examination that flights could resume in safety, and flying started getting back to normal. I reckon a small amount of flights may commence as soon as we have a better handle on the virus, with restrictions on seating etc, eg 2 persons on each row of 3 seats. It will be prohibitively expensive for most. There will be all sorts of precautions going through airports.

As for the ordinary holiday traveller, not alone do we need flights to operate, but accommodation needs to be available, and when this happens nobody knows.

I’m doing a bit of speculation here, but I’m thinking that those who are considered to have had Covid-19 (and are well recovered may have an immunity for some time and not either get it again or pass it on) may get a dispensation to travel. This is, if the experts concur that this is proved to be the case. Then it would be a matter of proving you have had Covid-19. A positive test in the past, of course, would be conclusive. So would an antibodies test, and this will probably be one the standard test and may be a requirement for travel. There may be a doctor’s certificate required to travel. This is how I’m thinking it will play out in, say two to three months time.

mloc123

Not in 2020.. IMO

I think after the majority of countries get a hold on the situation, they will not rush to open up borders etc.. and when they do, people will be told to isolate for 14 days upon entry. Making holidays a little pointless.

Dakota Dan

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I wonder when we will fly again?

Is it very unrealistic to think we could be flying again and going on holidays in time for the August bank holiday?

I'd be quietly confident that things will slowly get going again from June but like to hear what other people's opinions are?

When did we ever fly?

billyhead

If you have flights to Spain booked and paid for September and Spain was demanding quarantine for 14 days for arrivals should you be entitled to a refund?

ZX7R

billyhead wrote: »

If you have flights to Spain booked and paid for September and Spain was demanding quarantine for 14 days for arrivals should you be entitled to a refund?

No you would not be entitled to a refund.
If the flight was to fly ,it would be your choice to travel or not.

ZX7R

ZX7R wrote: »

No you would not be entitled to a refund.
If the flight was to fly ,it would be your choice to travel or not.

Not really if you were booked to return in a week and were officially required to quarantine for a fortnight. It’s not quite as black and white as it being a “personal choice”.

OP (and others) if you have flights booked, you are in a very big boat with loads of people. I had a couple of little trips lined up, haven’t a clue if I just have to write off the money spent.

I remember during the ash cloud, Air Greenland nearly went down the tubes, and they simply had to declare that they could not fork out in putting people up in hotels. Greenland is one of the most expensive destinations in the world and it meant tourists could be forming out thousands on accommodation and food for a week or two. Air Greenland is an absolutely essential device for the Greenlanders, so couldn’t risk going to the wall. No doubt we will see businesses having to de late that consumers money cannot be refunded. I have already lost a two night booking as I got sick and cancelled before the hotel was forced to close anyway. It’s life, unfortunately.

billyhead

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really if you were booked to return in a week and were officially required to quarantine for a fortnight. It’s not quite as black and white as it being a “personal choice”.

That's what I am i.e booked for a week's trip.

ZX7R

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not really if you were booked to return in a week and were officially required to quarantine for a fortnight. It’s not quite as black and white as it being a “personal choice”.

The op is taking about September,as of now there is no announcement for a lockdown in September in Ireland or Spain.
So as of now the op is not intitled to a refund.
That may change as circumstances change over time

maestroamado

Just had a quick look and there is a surprising large number of planes in the sky over Europe, USA and Asia and China, South America and Australia pretty quiet. I even seen a couple of Aer Lingus.
I was surprised.

coylemj

At the risk of backseat modding.....

This thread is more appropriate in Aviation & Aircraft. Where there is a very active flightradar24 thread...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057555939&page=610

maestroamado

coylemj wrote: »

At the risk of backseat modding.....

This thread is more appropriate in Aviation & Aircraft. Where there is a very active flightradar24 thread...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057555939&page=610

I have no idea where it is and don't really care, i thought it automatically fit in where appropriate..

spurious

More people will see your post in the correct forum, which is the Aviation and Aircraft forum.

When we do fly again, we will need to submit a medical cert that you are fit and healthy.

To transport animals abroad, they need to be certified. After this, the same will apply to humans.

I can also see a lot more restrictions on flying. Is it really necessary to go abroad multiple times a year for holidaying?

Shefwedfan

Nobody knows, best to plan for the virus to be gone, buy holiday and make plans. Otherwise it’s fairly depressing

Gael23

I’m supposed to be going to Italy the last week of June into July

markfinn

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Is it very unrealistic to think we could be flying again and going on holidays in time for the August bank holiday?

I've pretty much abandoned hope for my planned trip to Argentina in December (Eclipse chasing, yay).

markfinn

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody knows, best to plan for the virus to be gone, buy holiday and make plans. Otherwise it’s fairly depressing

Keep in mind Airlines WILL go bankrupt before this is out, and it's never fun or easy getting money bank from them, even when they are solvent.

maestroamado

spurious wrote: »

More people will see your post in the correct forum, which is the Aviation and Aircraft forum.

The very idea that informing people that people the world over are doing as the please and this forum seems to ignore this fact is strange.
If its hidden away in a lost thread it makes no difference.
I could not find but it may not be as important as i thought....

Peregrine

There are a lot of near empty planes flying around at the moment. Some routes are being maintained for cargo and basic connectivity.

Air traffic should fall quite steeply next week though.

maestroamado

I would have and will put in Avation but all i could see was travel, where is it...

Shefwedfan

markfinn wrote: »

Keep in mind Airlines WILL go bankrupt before this is out, and it's never fun or easy getting money bank from them, even when they are solvent.

Imagine a World with travel insurance :-)

If you are flying with ballygobackward airline then yes it’s risky

Any of the AIG and big airlines won’t go bust, government prop them up

spurious

Aviation and Aircraft Forum

Flightradar Thread

Helpmeplz

[quote="salonfire;112995072"

I can also see a lot more restrictions on flying. Is it really necessary to go abroad multiple times a year for holidaying?[/quote]

Not necessary but if you can afford to it’s your choice. Alcohol isn’t necessary but people will choose to go to the pubs when they open.

nthclare

With all those planes grounded , they'll have to be serviced and make sure all the oil and hydraulics are safe to go again.

Like a modern car they need to be run frequently to get the engines, pistons going and working properly.

Flaps and all moving parts will need lubricants and the fuel sitting idle won't be good.

Its an absolute nightmare for the airline industry.

Hot air balloons and steampunk will take off lol

I don't fly myself but I can see how people who love flying away to places will be frustrated.

dohouch

Actually might cycle to the Continent, ferry, UK, ferry, anybody who comes through this will have "all the time in the world" for taking deep grateful breaths on the open road.

angel eyes 2012

salonfire wrote: »

When we do fly again, we will need to submit a medical cert that you are fit and healthy.

To transport animals abroad, they need to be certified. After this, the same will apply to humans.

I can also see a lot more restrictions on flying. Is it really necessary to go abroad multiple times a year for holidaying?

Same logic, Is it really necessary to transport animals abroad.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Imagine a World with travel insurance :-)

If you are flying with ballygobackward airline then yes it’s risky

Any of the AIG and big airlines won’t go bust, government prop them up

Yes, imagine...

The AA wrote:

Customers who purchase Travel Insurance after 16/03/2020

• Any customer who purchases a new policy after 16/03/2020 will not be covered for Coronavirus (COVID-19) related cancellation claims

Imagine a world where there is an unprecedented global emergency event for our times. Oh wait, no need to imagine, we're there.

Even if you could find a decent insurer to cover you, there is no guarantee they will survive the pending global recession and be able to payout.

There are a host of airlines who are 'too big to fail' and who would be bailed out by their government in the event of bankruptcy, most definitely. This will be to ensure the airline can survive and maintain their workforce, and not to immediately refund consumers who booked a holiday during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Helpmeplz

Helpmeplz wrote: »

Not necessary but if you can afford to it’s your choice. Alcohol isn’t necessary but people will choose to go to the pubs when they open.

It was your choice.

With the new normal, it may not be your choice anymore. Widespread travel allowed this virus spread so far and so quickly.

You really think there won't be steps put in place to prevent the widespread destruction of economies in favour of allowing leisurely travel?

maestroamado

spurious wrote: »

Aviation and Aircraft Forum

Flightradar Thread

So basically your view of something that is current to do with health and travel be stuck at the end of a thread that is 4 or 5 years old.
I was not talking about Air Traffic, i was saying that quite a large proportion of the world is carrying on as normal.



get real...

This is it

maestroamado wrote: »

So basically your view of something that is current to do with health and travel be stuck at the end of a thread that is 4 or 5 years old.
I was not talking about Air Traffic, i was saying that quite a large proportion of the world is carrying on as normal.



get real...

To say "quite a large proportion of the world is carrying on as normal" isn't accurate, you don't know how empty or full these flights are, or what they contain.

I also believe this should be in the Aviation forum.

thecomedian

maestroamado wrote: »

So basically your view of something that is current to do with health and travel be stuck at the end of a thread that is 4 or 5 years old.
I was not talking about Air Traffic, i was saying that quite a large proportion of the world is carrying on as normal.



get real...

As pointed out there is a current Flight Radar thread. They might calm your fears over the amount of planes in the sky.

To me it looks very quiet, at the time of this there was only one plane over all of ireland.

Ponster

Threads Merged

Typically I'd have moved to Aviation but it would have been instantly closed over there.

maestroamado

This is it wrote: »

To say "quite a large proportion of the world is carrying on as normal" isn't accurate, you don't know how empty or full these flights are, or what they contain.

I also believe this should be in the Aviation forum.

Your right they may all be empty i not think of that, my nephew returned from UK with just a few on the plane.
If the airline cancel they have to refund all passengers, that was Thursday i think...

maestroamado

Ponster wrote: »

Threads Merged

Typically I'd have moved to Aviation but it would have been instantly closed over there.

Thanks for sorting that...

markfinn

markfinn wrote: »

I've pretty much abandoned hope for my planned trip to Argentina in December (Eclipse chasing, yay).

I’d say we will have a handle on it by December. There’s every chance you’ll see that eclipse!

billyhead

I am hoping to get to Northern Spain in September anyway.

Stobart’s owning company has gone in administration because of this calamity, but the Stobart services Dublin to Kerry & Donegal are being retained as they are funded by the government as public service obligation routes.

markfinn

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d say we will have a handle on it by December. There’s every chance you’ll see that eclipse!

Thanks. I'll be living in hope, if not expectation.

ShineOn7

spurious wrote: »

Aviation and Aircraft Forum

Flightradar Thread

Could you and others in this thread stop with the bloody backseat Modding?

This is a topic for the Travel community, in the Travel forum

As I’ve said in another thread (losing track of the Coronavirus threads ) that I believe when antibody testing becomes readily available that those who test positive and are two weeks post any symptom that they may be freely allowed to fly, and that indeed the whole situation may be relaxed if and when a critical mass of the population are proved (temporarily) immune, pending vaccine.

spurious

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Could you and others in this thread stop with the bloody backseat Modding?

This is a topic for the Travel community, in the Travel forum

The actual mod has merged threads.
The post I replied to was regarding flightradar, which would belong in A&A.

Love the ironing.

smelly sock

Suppose to be going to Lanzarote in early July. Consigned to the inevitable at this stage. Just hoping cases stay up and Ryanair pull the flights.

washman3

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I wonder when we will fly again?

Is it very unrealistic to think we could be flying again and going on holidays in time for the August bank holiday?

I'd be quietly confident that things will slowly get going again from June but like to hear what other people's opinions are?

Should be grand for Cheltenham next March..........:mad:

killbillvol2

smelly sock wrote: »

Suppose to be going to Lanzarote in early July. Consigned to the inevitable at this stage. Just hoping cases stay up and Ryanair pull the flights.

So you'd like lots more people in Spain to get infected and die so that you can get your refund?

citysights

I don’t know but I do hope so.

This is it

killbillvol2 wrote: »

So you'd like lots more people in Spain to get infected and die so that you can get your refund?

You'll have that unfortunately.

theguzman

I hope this might bring back border control, we should be checking temperatures at the airports since January and we would have detected alot of the cases coming into Ireland, arrest them and chuck them into isolation and it would have saved lives, all those flights in from Italy and Cheltenham should have been screened, it wouldn't have stopped it fully but it would have slowed it down alot and saved many lives. Ireland and Northern Ireland need to bring in similar quarantine rules to operate as one to prevent future infection, imagine if Ebola went airborne we would be looking at a failed state and societal collapse.

Once the pandemic ends which it will then we are looking at a changed world, I don't see any country in a rush to lift the Chinese visa bans that are in place and imagine the likes of Thailand 20 years ago before it got destroyed. The economy will be in the toilet so hotels etc. will go down but airfares will temporarily go up, however with tonnes of perfect planes lying idle or in auction houses then we will see new companies emerge. Ryanair being strong and stable might emerge as a transatlantic player or move into new markets which were decimated now.

Every cloud will have a silver lining and there will be more new opportunities arising out of this we never thought imaginable. Manufacturing globally will be decentralised out of China, China will still be important but no company will risk having all their eggs in one market, I can see low cost nations like India and Nigeria getting a slice of the manufacturing and a large amount of critical technology and medical all returning to Europe and the US. Ireland has a huge Pharma tech industry, expect this to really boom as outsourced industries are returned home under Govt orders, US Med companies will relocate from China to here since we are an ally. China will face sanctions and higher tariffs and most likely end up like the CCCP isolated until the CCP implodes and there is a revolution there.

Kermit.de.frog

For Spain and Italy in particular, the national traumas they are going through, things will be different after this and their whole approach to tourism may change radically.

Their whole approach to everything may change.

You don't know what the psychological effect is going to be.

dohouch

1, Free rows in planes, middle seat free.
2. Lots of direct flights to Lourdes,
3 Ryanair will force families to sit together.
4. Planes 1/2 full= double the price as nervous people won't fly.
5. Up in the air again when infection rates drop to doubling 16 to 18 days ( like an Irish Banker I picked those numbers out of mi aghrse)

With regard to temperature, the way I understand it, is t that an infected person can spread infection for 5 days without themselves experiencing any symptoms or having temperature. That fact asymptomatic spread is the nasty sh1t with this thorny koont