US Presidential Election 2020

Water John · 25-07-2020 8:20pm

KH's record as a prosecutor may come against her. She really doesn't bring any voting cohort with her. A VP should be able to, seal the deal, on getting the POTUS elected. That's the first and most important task.

Overheal · 25-07-2020 8:51pm

Inquitus wrote: »

I don't see how it will end up being anyone but Kamala Harris to be honest, she's a woman, a senator, black, ticks all the boxes, experienced and should be ready to step in should anything befall Joe.

I've said before she's the more perfect fit for his Attorney General.

Muahahaha · 25-07-2020 9:27pm

Inquitus wrote: »

I don't see how it will end up being anyone but Kamala Harris to be honest, she's a woman, a senator, black, ticks all the boxes, experienced and should be ready to step in should anything befall Joe.

Im hoping its Kamala myself as Ive a few quid on her. But if it is not I wont be terribly surprised as she doesnt bring a state with her given California is solidly Democratic. She does have lots of the other required attributes though and Id think she would make a very strong VP.

Does anyone know much about Joes wife Jill? I know she was second lady when he was VP but I never really remember her standing out on anything, perhaps because she was largely in Michelle Obamas shadow. What sort of first lady might she expected to be, the activist type like Michelle or the arm candy type like Melania.

Brian? · 25-07-2020 9:35pm

Overheal wrote: »

I've said before she's the more perfect fit for his Attorney General.

She would.

But I really want to see her as VP. She’d cause any number or bigots to blow the stack.

Brian? · 25-07-2020 9:38pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Im hoping its Kamala myself as Ive a few quid on her. But if it is not I wont be terribly surprised as she doesnt bring a state with her given California is solidly Democratic. She does have lots of the other required attributes though and Id think she would make a very strong VP.

Does anyone know much about Joes wife Jill? I know she was second lady when he was VP but I never really remember her standing out on anything, perhaps because she was largely in Michelle Obamas shadow. What sort of first lady might she expected to be, the activist type like Michelle or the arm candy type like Melania.

The woman is close to a saint. She had a PhD in English and taught for most of her adult life. I’d say she’ll invest her time in literacy programs.

Overheal · 26-07-2020 1:47am

Brian? wrote: »

She would.

But I really want to see her as VP. She’d cause any number or bigots to blow the stack.

All bets are off still. I don't think Biden will tip his hand until the convention. 4 weeks to go.

26-07-2020 10:37am

One thing I'm wondering is if Trump will drop Pence.

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 10:40am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

One thing I'm wondering is if Trump will drop Pence.

I doubt it. Pence was part of the ticket last time to give evangelicals cover to vote for trump when he clearly hadn’t /and still doesn’t any qualities that line up with that group.

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 10:48am

And I know some say it’s overblown but it’s highly likely that there are trump voters who won’t public ally admit they will vote for Trump(can’t blame them) to pollsters but will vote for him. Yes Biden is further ahead of trump than Clinton was at this point last time but polls don’t replace actual votes.

Rjd2 · 26-07-2020 12:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

One thing I'm wondering is if Trump will drop Pence.

Where did his silly rumor start? Trump is near dead right now and the only base he is hanging onto is the social conservatives religious right...so dropping pence would be at best a high risk call.

everlast75 · 26-07-2020 1:04pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Where did his silly rumor start? Trump is near dead right now and the only base he is hanging onto is the social conservatives religious right...so dropping pence would be at best a high risk call.

The rumour started when he put pence front and centre of the covid response, with the expectation that if it all went belly up, Pence would get it.

In addition, if Trump does finally get his numbers are bad, he isn't going to accept that he is to blame. "There's only one other name on the ticket, so it must be his fault"

Rjd2 · 26-07-2020 1:37pm

everlast75 wrote: »

The rumour started when he put pence front and centre of the covid response, with the expectation that if it all went belly up, Pence would get it.

In addition, if Trump does finally get his numbers are bad, he isn't going to accept that he is to blame. "There's only one other name on the ticket, so it must be his fault"

Its gone belly up for sure , but Trump has spent last few months on a victory lap somehow so letting Pence go does seem contradictory.

I don't really see the electoral advantage of replacing Pence with someone like Haley. I think the suburbs are pretty much gone right now, so if trump wants to win he has to hope his base turn out in droves. Its obviously a high risk strategy but not many others left.

Haley also is not that popular with the Trump base, Tucker pretty much every week gets a dig in against her and I am sure she is probably thinking if the ship is going down in November, keep her head down and rally herself for 2024.

Rjd2 · 26-07-2020 2:35pm

Also and I don't like Pence, but he is not dumb and he knows the reason America have failed covid is largely down to Trump not him,,,so would he keep quiet if he was made a sacrificial lamb?

Hugely unlikely.

Muahahaha · 26-07-2020 2:35pm

Overheal wrote: »

All bets are off still. I don't think Biden will tip his hand until the convention. 4 weeks to go.

The VP picked has been flagged as August 1st, next Saturday. At least I hope it happens then, the suspense is killing me

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And I know some say it’s overblown but it’s highly likely that there are trump voters who won’t public ally admit they will vote for Trump(can’t blame them) to pollsters but will vote for him. Yes Biden is further ahead of trump than Clinton was at this point last time but polls don’t replace actual votes.

Known as the Shy Tory effect in polling after about 3% of Tory voters in the 1992 general election lied to pollsters on who they intended to vote for. Its even seen in exit polls right outside polling stations where a small percentage of voters tell pollsters they voted Labour but they actually voted Tory. Its said to be more prominent in telephone and face to face polls and not as prominent in online polls. Pollsters try to account for it by adjusting their final figures but they don't always get it right.

Rjd2 · 26-07-2020 2:43pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

The VP picked has been flagged as August 1st, next Saturday. At least I hope it happens then, the suspense is killing me

Known as the Shy Tory effect in polling after about 3% of Tory voters in the 1992 general election lied to pollsters on who they intended to vote for. Its even seen in exit polls right outside polling stations where a small percentage of voters tell pollsters they voted Labour but they actually voted Tory. Its said to be more prominent in telephone and face to face polls and not as prominent in online polls. Pollsters try to account for it by adjusting their final figures but they don't always get it right.

Defo some silent Trump voters, but the most brutal polls for Trump atm are Fox ones so you'd assume their can't be that many lying in those?

I think and I could be wrong here (what's new:D) don't they have a good reputation for accuracy?

Overheal · 26-07-2020 4:04pm

Trump could still replace Pence. Yes, he’s said he wouldn’t, but that even makes it more likely he would. Just thinking about how they were emphatic the convention was absolutely for definite happening no matter what- nevermind folks it’s going to be beautiful in florid- well, Jacksonville will let us so were doing it outdoors- actually you know what nevermind.

Nothing is ever off the table or bolted to the table with Trump. He could pull another John McCain moment and bring out a VP pick that’s meant to erode swing voters from the Democrats. Palin was picked first and foremost because Hillary wasn’t, and Joe Biden was.

The obvious problem for Trump picking a far more popular Vice President though is then there would be far less hesitation to impeach him

but he’d still do more damage to the Supreme Court etc. before all of that. And I honestly am not sure Trump wants to share a stage with anyone, with Fauci you see that anyone who is more popular then the President himself gets pushed out.

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 4:11pm

I know that joe Biden has said there a four names on his VP list but we don't know who but it's a long shot and likely not happening but imagine if he picked Michelle Obama as his VP. Again, I very much doubt he'd pick her and I've not heard her name on the list and if he did it would rub some the wrong way but imagine her against mike pence ?

Overheal · 26-07-2020 4:17pm

Pence is nobody in this administration though. And I don’t think Michelle is interested in office and likely won’t be while her daughters are minors at the very least. She’s gone on record has saying she has no real passion for politics much less want of the office, and that it was being married to Obama who dragged her ‘kicking and screaming into that arena’ that has made her as political as she is. She feels like she’d just be the optics-centric popular woman pick.

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 4:22pm

Overheal wrote: »

Pence is nobody in this administration though. And I don’t think Michelle is interested in office and likely won’t be while her daughters are minors at the very least. She’s gone on record has saying she has no real passion for politics much less want of the office, and that it was being married to Obama who dragged her ‘kicking and screaming into that arena’ that has made her as political as she is. She feels like she’d just be the optics-centric popular woman pick.

Well you have to admire her honesty as that's a far from a political answer as you can get. But to a role she wasn't very enthusiastic about she certainly grew into the role. From what ive heard of Dr. Jill Biden she comes across as a warm person who will be a superb First Lady IF her husband becomes president.

Water John · 26-07-2020 5:29pm

I think MOB is being a little coy in saying she wasn't that interested in politics.
No she will not run as VP though.

OK, can we name a short list;
Kamela Harris
Gretchen Whitmer
Rashida Tlaib

pixelburp · 26-07-2020 5:46pm

Given the (often racial) abuse and insult brought upon her and her daughters during the Obama presidency, I really have a hard time believing Michelle would ever entertain any return to that sphere of public life.

marno21 · 26-07-2020 6:40pm

Water John wrote: »

I think MOB is being a little coy in saying she wasn't that interested in politics.
No she will not run as VP though.

OK, can we name a short list;
Kamela Harris
Gretchen Whitmer
Rashida Tlaib

Val Demings is another possibility.

TomOnBoard · 26-07-2020 7:23pm

Susan Rice must surely be on a list?

On a related note, why is Stacy Abrams no longer mentioned as a VP contender?

Water John · 26-07-2020 7:47pm

Kamela Harris Sen Calif
Gretchen Whitmer Govn'r Michigan
Rashida Tlaib Reps Michigan
Val Demmings Reps Florida
Susan Rice Former Amb UN
Stacey Abrams House of Reps Georgia
Kiesa L Bottoms Mayor Atlanta

pixelburp · 26-07-2020 8:27pm

Harris for VP also means she vacated her senate seat, requiring an election; so from a tactical point of view for the democrats, is there a risk then of them losing the race to fill that seat?

Water John · 26-07-2020 8:32pm

Not in California.

Igotadose · 26-07-2020 8:54pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Harris for VP also means she vacated her senate seat, requiring an election; so from a tactical point of view for the democrats, is there a risk then of them losing the race to fill that seat?

Special election for the remainder of her term. Solid Democratic seat. Replacement named by governor until the special election.

Also governor of New Mexico Michelle Lujan Grisham, who is Hispanic. One of many possibilities including Senator Duckworth the disabled veteran

Water John · 26-07-2020 9:43pm

Kamela Harris Sen Calif
Gretchen Whitmer Govn'r Michigan
Rashida Tlaib Reps Michigan
Val Demmings Reps Florida
Susan Rice Former Amb UN
Stacey Abrams House of Reps Georgia
Kiesa L Bottoms Mayor Atlanta
Michelle Grisham Govn'r New Mexico
Tammy Duckworth Sen Illinois

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 9:54pm

Water John wrote: »

Kamela Harris Sen Calif
Gretchen Whitmer Govn'r Michigan
Rashida Tlaib Reps Michigan
Val Demmings Reps Florida
Susan Rice Former Amb UN
Stacey Abrams House of Reps Georgia
Kiesa L Bottoms Mayor Atlanta
Michelle Grisham Govn'r New Mexico
Tammy Duckworth Sen Illinois

I think governor Whitmer isn't in the running because as good as she is she is white and unless it's changed the push is towards a woman of colour.

I don't see kamala Harris as getting the nod as I think given her prosecutor backround she'd be a superb AG. Although things she did in California seem to keep following her.

Val demmings would be the favourite for me because of her law enforcement backround and in the wake of the George floyd killing it may Play well with voters to have her as Vice President.

Senator duckworth has come into focus in a good way because of tucker Carlson going after her patriotism.

The thing that needs to be always remembered is the Vice President of the United States is expected should it needed to step into the position of president so that will play a role in the decision. And although it's only be rumoured about Biden only serving one term, if he does only serve one term his VP would be the obvious democratic candidate so there's that to think about.

Headshot · 26-07-2020 9:57pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think governor Whitmer isn't in the running because as good as she is she is white and unless it's changed the push is towards a woman of colour.

I don't see kamala Harris as getting the nod as I think given her prosecutor backround she'd be a superb AG. Although things she did in California seem to keep following her.

Val demmings would be the favourite for me because of her law enforcement backround and in the wake of the George floyd killing it may Play well with voters to have her as Vice President.

Senator duckworth has come into focus in a good way because of tucker Carlson going after her patriotism.

The thing that needs to be always remembered is the Vice President of the United States is expected should it needed to step into the position of president so that will play a role in the decision. And although it's only be rumoured about Biden only serving one term, if he dies only serve one term his VP would be the obvious democratic candidate so there's that to think about.

With Trumps new campaign to make him the law and order president and Biden anarchy choice would actually disappear overnight with Val Demings appointment

paul71 · 26-07-2020 10:03pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Special election for the remainder of her term. Solid Democratic seat. Replacement named by governor until the special election.

Also governor of New Mexico Michelle Lujan Grisham, who is Hispanic. One of many possibilities including Senator Duckworth the disabled veteran

Is Duckworth the veteran Helo pilot who lost her legs in combat and was called a coward by a Republican Senator.

Water John · 26-07-2020 10:05pm

Yeah

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 10:06pm

paul71 wrote: »

Is Duckworth the veteran Helo pilot who lost her legs in combat and was called a coward by a Republican Senator.

Yes.

paul71 · 26-07-2020 10:08pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yes.

Saw it a few days ago and thought just Wow.....

A hero called a coward by a guy who supports heelspur.

Water John · 26-07-2020 10:08pm

But I suppose she's a loser in Trump's opinion for getting hit, like McCain for getting captured.

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 10:10pm

Water John wrote: »

But I suppose she's a loser in Trump's opinion for getting hit, like McCain for getting captured.

And yet Lindsay graham who was one of John McCains best friends is a lackey of the guy who diminished McCains military career. Has senator graham a spine ?

salmocab · 26-07-2020 10:11pm

paul71 wrote: »

Is Duckworth the veteran Helo pilot who lost her legs in combat and was called a coward by a Republican Senator.

I see from Wikipedia she was born in Thailand, my rudimentary understanding of the rules is the president must be born in America. Would this preclude her from being VP?

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 10:14pm

salmocab wrote: »

I see from Wikipedia she was born in Thailand, my rudimentary understanding of the rules is the president must be born in America. Would this preclude her from being VP?

Was she born to a us citizen ? That would make her eligible.

paul71 · 26-07-2020 10:17pm

salmocab wrote: »

I see from Wikipedia she was born in Thailand, my rudimentary understanding of the rules is the president must be born in America. Would this preclude her from being VP?

I dont know. I know the elected president must be born in the US (personally think thats plain daft) but I dont know if the same rule applies to VP and someone succeeding to a vacated presidency does not necessarily need to qualify in the same way as being elected (look up 3 terms presidencies).

Itssoeasy · 26-07-2020 10:21pm

paul71 wrote: »

I dont know. I know the elected president must be born in the US (personally think thats plain daft) but I dont know if the same rule applies to VP and someone succeeding to a vacated presidency does not necessarily need to qualify in the same way as being elected (look up 3 terms presidencies).

The us president must be a natural born citizen of the United States. John McCain wasn't born in the continental United States but was eligible to run for president.

paul71 · 26-07-2020 10:25pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The us president must be a natural born citizen of the United States. John McCain wasn't born in the continental United States but was eligible to run for president.

Ok I got ya, I see the distinction, so the entire birther thing was BS from the start anyway.

Agent Smith · 26-07-2020 11:48pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And yet Lindsay graham who was one of John McCains best friends is a lackey of the guy who diminished McCains military career. Has senator graham a spine ?

The RVAT have a Great Ad running attacking Lindsey Graham and trump using Lindsey Grahams own words

Overheal · 26-07-2020 11:58pm

Agent Smith wrote: »

The RVAT have a Great Ad running attacking Lindsey Graham and trump using Lindsey Grahams own words

It has the chance to be a loss for Graham, but I'm not hopeful. I want him gone. Had a nice phone chat with someone from Tim Scott's office after I suggested via email he push an amendment to axe the prison labor except for slavery; I don't agree with Scott on many things but I don't see him as part of the problem with the GOP by a mile. Graham however has to go.

Rjd2 · 27-07-2020 2:43am

Overheal wrote: »

Pence is nobody in this administration though. And I don’t think Michelle is interested in office and likely won’t be while her daughters are minors at the very least. She’s gone on record has saying she has no real passion for politics much less want of the office, and that it was being married to Obama who dragged her ‘kicking and screaming into that arena’ that has made her as political as she is. She feels like she’d just be the optics-centric popular woman pick.

Trump is insanely reliant on the social conservatives for November and Pence is their guy. If he were to be replaced it would need to be someone not been discussed. Nikki Haley the supposed other choice is considered by the Trump base to be a "rino" so yeah its Pence unless his health fails.

TomOnBoard · 27-07-2020 7:10am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The us president must be a natural born citizen of the United States. John McCain wasn't born in the continental United States but was eligible to run for president.

And Ted Cruz was born in Canada.

MadYaker · 27-07-2020 9:35am

Rjd2 wrote: »

Trump is insanely reliant on the social conservatives for November and Pence is their guy. If he were to be replaced it would need to be someone not been discussed. Nikki Haley the supposed other choice is considered by the Trump base to be a "rino" so yeah its Pence unless his health fails.

I keep hearing Pence is their guy, what has pence actually done for them? Or are they just happy enough with trump filling the Supreme Court with conservative judges.

Igotadose · 27-07-2020 9:43am

MadYaker wrote: »

I keep hearing Pence is their guy, what has pence actually done for them? Or are they just happy enough with trump filling the Supreme Court with conservative judges.

Federal Judges too, including a number graded by the ABA as 'not qualified.' Really scary things the compliant tGOP and the #IMPOTUS have done. If the Judge is a legitimate judge, e.g., Scalia, o.k. I'll disagree with his positions but have some expectation that he's doing things within the law. When it's some arseclown like James Van Dyke I know America's degree of f*cked-ness due to the #IMPOTUS just went up. These are very powerful judges, not USSC Judges perhaps, but powerful nevertheless. And Van Dyke's just one example.

serfboard · 27-07-2020 5:43pm

Igotadose wrote: »

When it's some arseclown like James Van Dyke

From that article, the ABA said about Van Dyke that he was:

The American Bar Association wrote:

arrogant, lazy, an ideologue, and lacking in knowledge

Apart from the ideologue bit, does that assessment remind you of anyone else?

Water John · 27-07-2020 7:49pm

With John Lewis's funeral on Thurs, Dems won't do any thing to do with election until next week.

Rjd2 · 28-07-2020 1:36am

MadYaker wrote: »

I keep hearing Pence is their guy, what has pence actually done for them? Or are they just happy enough with trump filling the Supreme Court with conservative judges.

The issue some on the Trump right have with the judges yes they are conservative, but they feel they are more lefty on social issues than economic where they nearly always side with big business.

Mitch doesn't give a **** about gay marriage, abortion instead he wants to keep the wealthy donors happy by appointing judges who vote with them.

Their has been rulings recently where their has been grumblings about these judges, so if Pence was shunted for someone like Hailey,,,**** would hit the fan.

They wouldn't become dem's overnight, but turnout would be depressed enough to ensure a landslide for Biden.

Trump needs to pander to the social conservatives, because its to late and he is not clever enough to woo many other bases.

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