Humans - Channel 4

FloatingVoter · 17-06-2015 2:00am

Humans invented chopsticks and wheels millennia ago. Those tools have yet to take over humanity. The fact that a few nerds have invented some new tools does not make said nerds creators of anything more useful than a chopstick.
A species so idiotic it can't operate a washing machine therefore needs a more complicated machine to operate the washing machine is on the way out all by itself.
And chopsticks and wheels don't endlessly crash or need upgrades. My money is on the cockroaches (they're behind the washing machine, dummy).

NIMAN · 17-06-2015 2:09am

AI my ass.

Computers are thick. What is happening in that TV show is hundreds of years away.

Go Harvey Go · 17-06-2015 12:15pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm sure it will murder you boss eventually either way so I wouldn't worry about it. All robots are homicidal.

"Command link severed. Default setting. Crush. Kill. Destroy."

"Children, help! He's... killing... me!"

"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!"

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ScumLord · 17-06-2015 2:31pm

NIMAN wrote: »

AI my ass.

Computers are thick. What is happening in that TV show is hundreds of years away.

Probably not hundred of years away. The advances being made today will allow for rapid development in the future. They reckon within 50 years you'll have a direct link between the internet and your brain, nanotechnology will be boosting your immune system, AI will be smarter than a human and rapidly becoming smarter than every human combined.

There are many technologies in labs around the world that are just going through the process of making them manufacturable at an affordable price. It's not so much the technology doesn't exist it's just that it can't be made cheap enough for the general public yet.

FloatingVoter · 17-06-2015 6:21pm

The show has got one thing right. Watch the porn industry. They will not market robots as tools to raise your kids, they will be marketed as tools to raise your tool.
The great "invention" of the last 25 years - the internet itself - has two main functions.....free stuff and porn. The rest is window dressing. Before you reply in the negative, check your browser history...if you're not at it, your kids are.

MrJones1973 · 17-06-2015 6:33pm

Nowadays Smut is de rigueur but I think the scene was to illustrate the abuse of the syths.

FloatingVoter · 17-06-2015 6:41pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Nowadays Smut is de rigueur but I think the scene was to illustrate the syths debasement. rigueur

Agreed about the placement of the scene (and her leaving her pain chip or whatever on)- but it would have been a lesser show without it. And the lady getting carried off for her eh...massage by the manbot while hubby looked on in another scene showed that Sisters can exploit it for themselves.
It's not terribly deep - just a show about how all us posh liberals could bring back slavery tomorrow if the TV told us it was all cool and for our own good.

enfant terrible · 17-06-2015 11:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

TBH, I doubt we're even 20-30 years away from having them. If anything, it's much closer than that. It's quite scary how far ahead we are with AI and robotics in general.

This is currently the pinnacle of AI

http://imgur.com/gallery/K4mWF2n

Polly Sonic · 18-06-2015 12:01pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Probably not hundred of years away. The advances being made today will allow for rapid development in the future. They reckon within 50 years you'll have a direct link between the internet and your brain, nanotechnology will be boosting your immune system, AI will be smarter than a human and rapidly becoming smarter than every human combined.

There are many technologies in labs around the world that are just going through the process of making them manufacturable at an affordable price. It's not so much the technology doesn't exist it's just that it can't be made cheap enough for the general public yet.

Google is technically smarter than any single human being on the planet and has been for many years. Self awareness and cognitive behaviour is a million miles away from that kind of "smart". It's centuries away if even possible.

Following commands is all we will ever see in our lifetime.

duridian · 18-06-2015 1:10pm

Reminded me of this from CES 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doF43M_3Jf8

The show's analogies, slavery/where does humanity (and life) begin and end etc. also remind me greatly of something that was done on Star Trek TNG with a Data focussed storyline. Picard's defence of Data was one of Picard's most epic courtroom speeches.
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Measure_Of_A_Man_(episode)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjuQRCG_sUw

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 18-06-2015 4:24pm

Watched the first episode today, found it a bit boring. Not generally a huge fan of sci fi and robots and what not but I thought this sounded interesting. I know first episodes usually have a lot to set up and can be a bit dull so I'm willing to give it a second episode to see how it goes.

It mainly reminded me of Ruairi Robinson's short film Blinky from a few years ago. https://t.co/DZOu3aCvf0

Harry Palmr · 18-06-2015 11:01pm

Just got round to it, slick but a bit listless. I can't help but wonder about the way such a machine would be integrated into society. Rather than wanting them to look human I'm pretty such most humans would prefer that the difference between them and us was all too apparent. Also I'm sure we'd make sure they went into sleep mode after a couple of minutes inactivity. You don't want them staring into space in the same room!

Also what the hell was that health warning about? Quite needless

19-06-2015 7:45am

enfant terrible wrote: »

This is currently the pinnacle of AI

http://imgur.com/gallery/K4mWF2n

You're mixing up AI and robotics. Intelligence doesn't need a body, and AI is getting to the point where it can actually teach itself.

This is a very basic example.

https://youtu.be/qv6UVOQ0F44

ScumLord · 19-06-2015 4:46pm

Polly Sonic wrote: »

Google is technically smarter than any single human being on the planet and has been for many years. Self awareness and cognitive behaviour is a million miles away from that kind of "smart". It's centuries away if even possible.

Following commands is all we will ever see in our lifetime.

I think now that they've changed the way they go about programing robots, in that they allow them to learn for themselves, that we'll see a much more rapid advancement. Now they can simulate thousands of generations of evolution in minutes. It's still basic creatures they make but it's still evolving at a rapid rate that will likely speed up over the coming years.

Polly Sonic · 19-06-2015 5:38pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Video

See this is what I mean, that robot has been given the ability and hardware to find it's balance and then was programmed to find it's balance. It's a stretch to even call that learning.

A baby will eventually find it's balance without intervention. A machine will never realise it needs to find it's balance unless it is programmed to do so.

mikom · 19-06-2015 6:40pm

Polly Sonic wrote: »

A baby will eventually find it's balance without intervention. A machine will never realise it needs to find it's balance unless it is programmed to do so.

What if there was a robot to programme other robots to find their balance and while programming them he programmed them to programme others.

Dan_Solo · 20-06-2015 1:14am

I watched the whole original Swedish series and it was superb. More for the plotting and social commentary than the technology though.
Hopefully the remake will follow the original plot closely, though if it does there isn't much need for me to watch it!

Lovely Bloke · 21-06-2015 9:16pm

"I'm watching you too Laura" - I'm suitably creeped out by that Synth in the family home.

Lisha · 21-06-2015 9:44pm

Poor silly Toby!

Lisha · 21-06-2015 9:46pm

Euww creepy old pervert!

BlaasForRafa · 22-06-2015 12:21am

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

"I'm watching you too Laura" - I'm suitably creeped out by that Synth in the family home.

I only caught the last 20 minutes of tonights episode and while I enjoyed it well enough it doesn't seem to promise anything that the twilight zone wouldn't have done in a single 30 minute episode.

wil · 22-06-2015 12:42am

Polly Sonic wrote: »

A baby will eventually find it's balance without intervention. A machine will never realise it needs to find it's balance unless it is programmed to do so.

It could be said that all living things have been biologically preprogrammed from a very early stage, long before any indication of what we term intelligence. Learning to walk, swim, fly is a given from single cell organisms to insects etc.
A better indication of intelligence is when you go against programming. Free will essentially. We are all programmed to survive, procreate etc. Society, politics, family, even dare I say religion inform other conformities. We adapt to our environments, then so do viruses. I am not sure we even define AI properly let alone know where it begins. Imitation of basic human biological traits is hardly real intelligence if programmed.

Anyway, just caught up with episode 2. Still an interesting exploration. The HSE may have rolled out some of those carer bots already:rolleyes: and hot bots vs teenage boy, what do you expect.
Would an intelligent robot feel emotion, care about humans, experience exploitation, express human morality. Many times in history we have dispensed with any or all of these indicators of HI.
Will continue to watch to see where it goes.

Meanwhile how do we know we aren't already subservient to the google brain. Maybe future intelligence is very different to what we expect. The r evolution has begun. I wil:pac:

FloatingVoter · 22-06-2015 1:39am

I'm not worried about the teenage lad chancing his arm. I'd be more worried about why dad hasn't tried it on yet given that he's married to a neurotic fridge.
And Inspector Lewis must be glad he's having all his suspicions confirmed - his boss (Rebecca Front) is a bloody robot after all. Morse and Hathaway probably are too.

NUTZZ · 22-06-2015 11:28pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FQMGuss5i4

squonk · 23-06-2015 9:02am

I really like this show so far. I'm quite surprised to see something like this from a UK channel. I love the general creepiness of it all and the soundtrack is great also. It's the human interactions that make it for me. The old doctor being held hostage by his medcal 'carer', the wife feeling a bit surplus to requirements, the police man feeling a bit the same and sort of replaced by a younger, fitter model - again like the wife and the young fella chancing his arm for a bit of a feel up! The prostitution angle is more sinister though but that storyline is evolving now. I'm very happy with this show. It's delivering a lot more than I expected.

ScumLord · 24-06-2015 3:41pm

Polly Sonic wrote: »

See this is what I mean, that robot has been given the ability and hardware to find it's balance and then was programmed to find it's balance. It's a stretch to even call that learning.

I don't know that it is programed to find it's balance. It's programed to move its limbs and work out ways of walking on it's own the same as any living creature would. You are born with the hardware and basic programing to balance at birth, you just have to learn to put it altogether to learn how to walk. Same thing is going on with these robots. The point of the project is that they don't pre program the robots with complex actions, they let the robots figure them out for themselves.

24-06-2015 3:58pm

This is why CH4 dropped Big Brother and now have the resources to create great dramas such as this and Utopia,No Offence,Babylon etc
Its their biggest drama hit in 20 years!
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/22/humans-becomes-channel-4s-biggest-drama-hit-in-20-years

Polly Sonic · 25-06-2015 6:59pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know that it is programed to find it's balance. It's programed to move its limbs and work out ways of walking on it's own the same as any living creature would

I don't believe this to be the case at all. That's science fiction stuff at this moment in time. Robots can't think for themselves, they can't decide to try stuff out for themselves.

Dan_Solo · 25-06-2015 8:04pm

Hey, has anyone else seen the original Swedish series? Is this worth watching if you have?

EoghanIRL · 25-06-2015 10:07pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Hey, has anyone else seen the original Swedish series? Is this worth watching if you have?

Can anyone give a link to it or it's name.
I might be interested.

Dan_Solo · 25-06-2015 10:12pm

EoghanIRL wrote: »

Can anyone give a link to it or it's name.
I might be interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Humans
Spoiler city of course if you read down the page too far.

If this remake is an almost identical storyline I'll probably give it a miss.

Lovely Bloke · 27-06-2015 6:38am

anyone recognise Mary from Love/Hate

Lovely Bloke · 28-06-2015 9:16pm

Nurse Ratched pulling a door down was impressive.

So the guy with the dark hair is a Synth too, I think that was revealed last week, but they can drink and get drunk.

Just how much of them is computer and how much is organic?

Mr.Nice Guy · 29-06-2015 1:53am

I thought it was another good episode.

I think Anita steals the show every week; a really compelling character.

AlmightyCushion · 29-06-2015 2:00am

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Nurse Ratched pulling a door down was impressive.

So the guy with the dark hair is a Synth too, I think that was revealed last week, but they can drink and get drunk.

Just how much of them is computer and how much is organic?

I don't think he's a synth, I think he's a human with synthetic parts. That dream they all have is probably the accident that led to him needing synth parts.

Lovely Bloke · 29-06-2015 7:52am

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think Anita steals the show every week; a really compelling character.

I think Anita is a straight up house-help synth, and is not up to anything in and of itself. It probably has some background programs that it cannot quite understand, like the "no sharing" thing, probably doesn't even realise it's (not) doing that, and is actually telling the truth when it says it can't lie - the mother is just paranoid about all the stuff she thinks it's doing.

What makes me say that is then scene where the older daughter had it hooked up to the laptop, and the Mia personality came out for a second or two, grabbed the girl and asked for help.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I don't think he's a synth, I think he's a human with synthetic parts. That dream they all have is probably the accident that led to him needing synth parts.

Great shout.

ScumLord · 29-06-2015 1:01pm

Polly Sonic wrote: »

I don't believe this to be the case at all. That's science fiction stuff at this moment in time. Robots can't think for themselves, they can't decide to try stuff out for themselves.

Did you watch the video posted? They program the robot to try a load of different ways of doing something like walking. No one tells the robot "put one foot in front of the other", they let the robot try putting both feet forward, both feet back and so on until the robot can move effectively. They can speed up the process by running the trials in tandem virtually but the program learns to the best way to move on it's own.

Dan_Solo · 29-06-2015 1:14pm

In the original series it was much more obvious who was an android and who wasn't. They act much more "human" in this series.

ScumLord · 29-06-2015 1:54pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

In the original series it was much more obvious who was an android and who wasn't. They act much more "human" in this series.

That's part of my problem with the show, we go from iPhones to autonomous androids that look identical to humans. I was expecting to see something like a barbie doll when yerone stripped but the way they avoided showing her body shows that she's probably autonomy correct.

They don't really act anything like a robot either. They just move slow and stand bolt upright, it would have been nice to see someone that had some experience with robotics involved with the show.

Lovely Bloke · 29-06-2015 8:03pm

Odi, the Synth with the old dude, is more robotic in look and manner, so there's been a gradual "evolution" of these things, I think that's also obliquely shown in the title credits too.

OldMrBrennan83 · 29-06-2015 8:11pm

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barney4001 · 29-06-2015 8:14pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The problem with robot servants is that there is no way my missus (and probably anyone elses) would let a robot who looked like that into the house. We'd all end up with robo Mary Harneys:mad:

yeah for our mother in laws ughhhhhhhhhhhhh

La_Gordy · 05-07-2015 10:01pm

The food bag at the end of E04 there was boak.

Harry Palmr · 05-07-2015 10:25pm

Terrible continuity error tonight with Leo and Max getting into the car, otherwise a good episode. The reveal about the female cop was nicely done.

La_Gordy · 05-07-2015 10:30pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Terrible continuity error tonight with Leo and Max getting into the car, otherwise a good episode. The reveal about the female cop was nicely done.

Oh what was the continuity error? That escaped me!

The female cop was great, when she started pulling the bag out I thought it was going to be supernatural or some alien nonsense!

Harry Palmr · 05-07-2015 10:36pm

Leo got in the drivers side but the cut went to Max driving!

heebusjeebus · 05-07-2015 11:08pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Leo got in the drivers side but the cut went to Max driving!

It didn't seem like a straight cut. It was a new scene I think.

Great episode though. Getting better each week.

EoghanIRL · 06-07-2015 1:11am

Great episode.

Re the female detective, I'm not sure what to think really. Was she set there as a "spy" to relay information to help aid in the search for the wanted synths? Or has she been planted there by someone else.

Is this thread spoiler free?

dubscottie · 06-07-2015 1:14am

Great series. That is all.

La_Gordy · 06-07-2015 9:11am

EoghanIRL wrote: »

Great episode.
Re the female detective, I'm not sure what to think really. Was she set there as a "spy" to relay information to help aid in the search for the wanted synths? Or has she been planted there by someone else.

Is this thread spoiler free?

I've been using spoilers just in case.

I think the synth polis is one of those one's with feelings and emotion as she isn't as robotic as the others. Maybe she is hiding in plain sight?

Humans - Channel 4

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