PlayStation 5 - Now with FAQ in OP.

jones wrote: »

It'll be 8K output for netflix/media etc not a danger it'll be gaming at 8k unless its very basic tetris like gaming. They are just playing the media by even mentioning 8k i suppose.

I have to say i never get the buzz surrounding backwards compatablity i like it in theory but have you ever tried to go back and play older generation games? They usually look muck. I like the ability to do it but in reality i'll never use it. Definitely be a 4k bluray on board be surprised if there wasnt. HDMI 2.1 seems a given as well.

Sounds very promising it'll be 2020 at the earliest so interesting times ahead. I'm due a new TV around 2020/21 so good times ahead.

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

Ryzen 2 will bring with it PCIe 4.0. Could be where the supposed SSD improvements are coming from?

Deleted User wrote: »

1TB is not enough in a next-gen console. PS4 launched with 500GB. Pro launched with 1TB. PS5 will need 2TB minimum.

I think we see a hybrid solution.

2TB of SSD will be pricey, even next year. And it's not an efficient way to spend money - SSD only benefits the game currently being played. If you've got a 2TB SSD then 1.9TB of that expensive storage is going to waste at any given moment.

And even for a single game: at any given time most of the game files will not benefit from SSD. Cut-scenes, audio files, campaign levels which you cannot reach for a few hours etc.

SSD for 90% cold data storage is just a huge waste of money which could be better spent elsewhere. And console design is all about penny-pinching and spending money in the right places.

It makes more sense to have a large 2.5" HDD for cold storage and a small SSD cache to speed up the game(s) you are currently playing. Both could be user upgradable.

A content-aware system-controlled (or game-controlled) caching solution can be much smarter than anything we have seen previously. It won't be like the current dumb hybrid drives which require a few loads to learn what should be cached. If it's content-aware it could cache what it needs ahead of time.

Deleted User wrote: »

With large next-gen games and back-compat (so you already have a library on day one), 1TB of total storage (regardless of type) will seem ridiculously small for a next-gen console. Unlikely.

It'll be 2TB at a minimum. Could be a 4TB sku at launch even.

2TB or 4TB of mega-fast, mega-expensive flash for 90% cold storage makes little economic sense. Although flash prices are falling, it's still 6-8x more expensive per GB than HDD and that will not have changed much by 2020 (might be 5-7x).

Their system architects will ask the question: is it worth spending 5x as much for all-flash storage when 90% of the data is cold ? No, it's not.

Tiered storage is the obvious solution, it's the way things are done in the data centre. Enough flash storage to cache the game(s) you're currently playing. No need to have the entire library sitting on flash.

J. Marston wrote: »

I feel like we're at the point of diminishing returns with graphics anyway.

BloodBath wrote: »

At best there will be 1 ray tracing feature per game using ray tracing for something simple like 3d audio.

We're a long long way off full real time ray tracing of the entire scene.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Although divisions in sony are quite separate there will be a mandate to shift screens from their home entertainment division.

Deedsie wrote: »

I recently sold my ps4 pro. Ill be waiting for the last of us 2 to release on the PS5 before purchasing it. Maybe a new GTA will have been announced by then

After the wired article my colleagues and I assumed that Sony had just put a PCIe 4 SSD into the PS5 and then called it a day (as PCIe 4 SSDs would be faster then current PC SSDs so it would fit their claim). I mean, the SSD came unexpected for us already since we were expecting at most a solution like Apples Fusion drives for cost reasons. Because of our PCIe 4 SSD expectation we were skeptical how much the SSD could decrease load times in PS4 titles played on the PS5.

For context: our current gen game (PS4, XBO, PC) loads around 40% faster when replacing the PS4 Pro HDD with a SATA SSD (~42 sec. vs. ~25 sec.). If we run our PC build in combination with an M.2 NVMe SSD we only see around 7% faster load times compared to the PS4 Pro with SATA SSD even though the NVMe SSD is ~6 times faster. But it get's even worse, when we take the Samsung PM1725a PCIe card from our build server to run the PC build on we only see 0-3% faster load times compared to an NVMe SSD, which shows that there are diminishing returns since current game IO has to assume HDDs as the baseline. Because of that we only expected similiar load time reductions for PS4 titles when played on the PS5. But we were proven wrong.

Together with our devkit (nothing from Microsoft yet) we received information material which was front and center about how they continue to strife to make the life for developers easier, in order for us to deliver better games faster to the players, and how that is a continuation of the ground work layed by architectural decisions taken in the PS4. The material is not only about new games though, but also about how the PS5 can help current gen games to take advantage of it's features - especially it's advanced storage solution. Apparently they have analyzed the IO behaviour of current gen games and baked the essence of it into what they call a high bandwidth cache controller, which can then map PS4 IO commands into optimized commands for their new storage solution were appropiate (without having to make changes to the game). And it shows, our unchanged game running on the devkit loads around 32% faster then our PC build on the PM1725a. But the material further states that in order to take full advantage of it the game will have to be patched, and I can't wait to see how fast our game will load once our software engineers have made source code changes to take full advantage of the fast storage.

This is obviously a throwaway account that I will delete in a few days... I have no technical data to share and I will not tell my position or company size like other "leakers" do as that could pinpoint me. Which is why I also disabled private messages. Just wanted to share that Sonys storage solution is a true next generation leap and that it will also greatly benefit PS4 games when played on the PS5 - even if the developers don't release patches for their games.