2020/21 NBA season + Olympics

buyer95 · 18-01-2021 3:38pm

Great day of ball today lads! Happy MLK day haha

Corvo · 18-01-2021 3:50pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I really think if the Clippers upgrade at point guard they can come out of the west
Unsure why they didnt go for Rondo. Also unsure why he went to the Hawks himself to be behind Trae Young

Apparently Rondo has his eye on a coaching role and with the Hawks young core its rumoured it would suit him better than for instance getting a job with established players.

buyer95 · 18-01-2021 6:55pm

The Knicks are building something with Thibs. They still lack talent, but he has them playing that never say die, constant hustle style that grinds out wins. RJ Barret could really be something if he could get that shot together, and Mitchell Robinson is another interesting piece with huge upside. I've never been a big Randle fan, but he is a great scorer and the Knicks need that. He's actually been much improved as a passer this year. They may well sniff the play in tournament, but just lack that bit of offense.
Quickley is looking like a huge steal at 25 though, I've really enjoyed watching him.

Denis Smith Jr on the other hand looks like a complete disaster. To think he was the crucial piece in that Porzingis deal...

chopperbyrne · 18-01-2021 7:10pm

They don't have enough to threaten the top teams in the Eastern Conference, but if they can keep the core of this team together, and bring in another few hard working, talented players, they could build something Knicks fans could actually be proud of.

buyer95 · 18-01-2021 7:28pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

They don't have enough to threaten the top teams in the Eastern Conference, but if they can keep the core of this team together, and bring in another few hard working, talented players, they could build something Knicks fans could actually be proud of.

Yeah they are 2 or 3 players short of being anywhere near threatening the East. If the Knicks did make the play in tournament though, that would be huge progress for a franchise that has been in disarray for years. They can't just punt another year and bottom out. Thibs obviously was chosen beacuse front office likes what they have and want to build towards something. Definitely would need at least one top player though, which is easier said than done. I do feel Thibs will get time to put something real together

chopperbyrne · 18-01-2021 8:06pm

They're starting to fall apart in this game.

73-73 with 5:30 to play.

buyer95 · 18-01-2021 8:29pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

They're starting to fall apart in this game.

73-73 with 5:30 to play.

They are scrappy, like all Thibs teams. Stuck with it, even when they looked atrocious on offense (as they often do) and manged to eek out the win. Thibs would be 10 times more happy now with that win than a 140-120 victory.

ButtersSuki · 19-01-2021 12:09am

buyer95 wrote: »

They are scrappy, like all Thibs teams. Stuck with it, even when they looked atrocious on offense (as they often do) and manged to eek out the win. Thibs would be 10 times more happy now with that win than a 140-120 victory.

Thibs’ wet dream is a 4-2 win.

I know he takes a lot of sh*t for being old school and the minutes he plays the guys but I love the passion and tenacity he brings. What’s driving this Knicks team is fundamentals like playing D and playing hard on every single play. When he was the Chicago coach and the Heat were on their streak the game he coached against them was an absolute masterclass from a strategic perspective. The “next man up” philosophy was also something that galvanized teams in ways you couldn’t imagine now.

It’ll always be a case of “what if?” in Chicago. Had Rose not gotten injured they would have been the best placed team to beat Miami during their 4 year run as East Champions.

He also took a Minnesota team to the play offs for the first time in years.

He’s also the fastest coach in NBA history to 100 wins. I remember reading that a few years ago and being a little shocked, but shows you how well he had those Chicago teams playing.

19-01-2021 3:35am

That's one too many stupid ****ing turnovers from the Bulls for me.

I have no problem being patient but one thing that I cannot abide is stupid, unnecessary, turnovers. Piss off.

19-01-2021 3:55am

I've also run out of patience with Wendell Carter. I'd give him away for **** all in the morning.

19-01-2021 4:06am

He has been passed around the league but I like Christian Wood, he has improved hugely.

Carcharodon · 19-01-2021 6:50am

Hell yea baby, Warriors were excellent tonight, they are moving in the right direction, bench was excellent, paschal was phenomenal off the bench
Curry still showing us he is still the man, natural leader in and off the floor, I love him!!

Corvo · 19-01-2021 9:37am

A terrible collapse in the closing minutes I thought from the Lakers. LeBron with two travelling violations, missed threes from LeBron. KCP and Kuzma, and an open jumper missed from the free throw line for Davis. A difficult last second shot from LeBron still could have sealed a win.

Thought Draymond was excellent

LuckyLloyd · 19-01-2021 10:09am

Right time to throw away wins for the Lakers, assuming every team has a few of those each year. Ugly last few minutes to hand the game away.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 19-01-2021 10:29am

Corvo wrote: »

A terrible collapse in the closing minutes I thought from the Lakers. LeBron with two travelling violations, missed threes from LeBron. KCP and Kuzma, and an open jumper missed from the free throw line for Davis. A difficult last second shot from LeBron still could have sealed a win.

Thought Draymond was excellent

I think it showed up a distinct lack of shooting on the team. I read an interview the other day where AD & LBJ discussed the best shooters on the team.

AD felt that LBJ was the 3rd best 3pt shooter on the team. I know he’s working on it and he’s been shooting well this season but they need a little more in order to spread the floor especially given LBJ will be on the ball so much.

Might be time to cash in whatever is left in Kuzma trade value because I think a lot of guys available from waivers will be interested in the Nets over the Lakers.

buyer95 · 19-01-2021 11:05am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Right time to throw away wins for the Lakers, assuming every team has a few of those each year. Ugly last few minutes to hand the game away.

This. Teams are going to have a couple of ugly losses over the course of the season. The only three point threat they lost from last year was Danny Green, and Green actually had a down year from beyond the arc. Wes Mathews largely compensates for whatever you lose with Green. He's a loss sure, but I think the Lakers have more than enough offense. Just a bad night from the field from both AD and LeBron makes it hard to win.

Nets looked very impressive against the Bucks, they are so much fun to watch. I like them in that match up with Milwaukee, Durant can cope with Giannis, and the Nets have too much offense. I think the 76ers will be a much more difficult match up, Embiid has taken his game to another level this year and I don't think the Nets could contain him. The question over how Kyrie fits into all this lingers also.

Sweet.Science · 19-01-2021 11:30am

Livia Scarce Peppercorn wrote: »

I think it showed up a distinct lack of shooting on the team. I read an interview the other day where AD & LBJ discussed the best shooters on the team.

AD felt that LBJ was the 3rd best 3pt shooter on the team. I know he’s working on it and he’s been shooting well this season but they need a little more in order to spread the floor especially given LBJ will be on the ball so much.

Might be time to cash in whatever is left in Kuzma trade value because I think a lot of guys available from waivers will be interested in the Nets over the Lakers.

Agree 100% on the lack of shooting on the team and that it could be exposed . I think they got away with it in the bubble as they didnt play any elite team. They will this year .

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 19-01-2021 11:39am

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Agree 100% on the lack of shooting on the team and that it could be exposed . I think they got away with it in the bubble as they didnt play any elite team. They will this year .

You're entirely right and to answer Buyer in the process too.

They only lost Green but that doesn't mean they had enough shooting last year either and now they have less.

Even then Wes Matthews shoots 38% on 3.5 attempts per game as a non-starter which is less than Green in the regular season but significantly less than the 5.5 he shot in the playoffs on a similar %.

The Nets didn't exist while the Clippers & Bucks are generally better while also shooting significantly better.

Top 3 3pt shooting teams in the NBA by % 1. Clippers, 2. Bucks & 3. Nets while the Lakers are 5th.

Caveat there of course being the Lakers rank 18th in makes while the aforementioned teams rank 5th, 3rd & 6th respectively.

Although their game isn't entirely predicated on shooting, it's clear they are significantly behind their main rivals

buyer95 · 19-01-2021 12:35pm

Livia Scarce Peppercorn wrote: »

You're entirely right and to answer Buyer in the process too.

They only lost Green but that doesn't mean they had enough shooting last year either and now they have less.

Even then Wes Matthews shoots 38% on 3.5 attempts per game as a non-starter which is less than Green in the regular season but significantly less than the 5.5 he shot in the playoffs on a similar %.

The Nets didn't exist while the Clippers & Bucks are generally better while also shooting significantly better.

Top 3 3pt shooting teams in the NBA by % 1. Clippers, 2. Bucks & 3. Nets while the Lakers are 5th.

Caveat there of course being the Lakers rank 18th in makes while the aforementioned teams rank 5th, 3rd & 6th respectively.

Although their game isn't entirely predicated on shooting, it's clear they are significantly behind their main rivals

Do you think the Clippers are better this year? They've looked decent through 14 odd games, but I don't know if they have a better roster at all. Ibaka has looked good alright, but I don't think Batum is a good addition at this stage in his career at all. Still too early to extrapolate much I guess, we'll know more in a few weeks about what's real and what's not. They had a nice week there is no doubt, but put big scores on teams you'd expect them to beat. Playoff P still has a lot to prove on this team after last seasons collapse.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 19-01-2021 12:50pm

buyer95 wrote: »

Do you think the Clippers are better this year? They've looked decent through 14 odd games, but I don't know if they have a better roster at all. Ibaka has looked good alright, but I don't think Batum is a good addition at this stage in his career at all. Still too early to extrapolate much I guess, we'll know more in a few weeks about what's real and what's not. They had a nice week there is no doubt, but put big scores on teams you'd expect them to beat. Playoff P still has a lot to prove on this team after last seasons collapse.

Yes, I think they're better.

Kawhi is healthier too which is a huge add. Batum is an analytics darling, does lots that doesn't show you on a standard stats sheet ie .183/48 WS which puts him in some pretty high end company not to mention the 43% he shoots from deep on 4.4 attempts.

One can expect both those numbers to regress a little but he's shot 40% in the past and he's had similar W/S numbers too so not a stretch to think he can maintain it to some extent.

More to the point though, Lakers are trailing quite significantly in 3pt shooting when compared to what most will feel are their closest rivals in either conference.

It's most definitely the one area where I think their weaknesses may be exposed.

Perhaps something will happen in the next few weeks like you say but if you consider that the Lakers were 21st in the league last year in 3pt% and 18th in 3pt shots made along with losing arguably their best 3pt shooter, it's hard to make a case for them getting any better with this current roster.

Sweet.Science · 19-01-2021 2:20pm

buyer95 wrote: »

Do you think the Clippers are better this year? They've looked decent through 14 odd games, but I don't know if they have a better roster at all. Ibaka has looked good alright, but I don't think Batum is a good addition at this stage in his career at all. Still too early to extrapolate much I guess, we'll know more in a few weeks about what's real and what's not. They had a nice week there is no doubt, but put big scores on teams you'd expect them to beat. Playoff P still has a lot to prove on this team after last seasons collapse.

Pat B isnt a good enough point for them to win a championship. What is the last team to win one without an elite level point guard ?

buyer95 · 19-01-2021 2:46pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Pat B isnt a good enough point for them to win a championship. What is the last team to win one without an elite level point guard ?

Lakers in 10 I suppose, with Derek Fisher. You could argue those Heat teams with Chalmers starting at the point, but LeBron was so ball dominant it hardly counts. He obviously was the de facto point guard last year on the Lakers.

Sweet.Science · 19-01-2021 2:53pm

buyer95 wrote: »

Lakers in 10 I suppose, with Derek Fisher. You could argue those Heat teams with Chalmers starting at the point, but LeBron was so ball dominant it hardly counts. He obviously was the de facto point guard last year on the Lakers.

Yeah 2010. Doesn't bode well . They ran out of ideas in the bubble. They gave the ball to KL and hoped for the best. (Should've said i'd be using LBJ as a point guard for the Lakers . He ran the offence)

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 19-01-2021 2:56pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Pat B isnt a good enough point for them to win a championship. What is the last team to win one without an elite level point guard ?

I’d say Lowry might be debatable as an elite PG in 18/19.
Sure he won an all star and played well at various stages but he was hurt a bit and his production was down quite a bit too.

I think it’s a fair point especially in light of Lou Williams being less productive, maybe they’ll make a move to bolster it.

Sweet.Science · 19-01-2021 3:00pm

Livia Scarce Peppercorn wrote: »

I’d say Lowry might be debatable as an elite PG in 18/19.
Sure he won an all star and played well at various stages but he was hurt a bit and his production was down quite a bit too.

I think it’s a fair point especially in light of Lou Williams being less productive, maybe they’ll make a move to bolster it.

I think they have to . Fair point of Lowry but at least he was all star level . PB if nowhere near that level and being a very good defensive player as a point guard isn't near enough

In fact if you look at the Clippers roster they should really be ok from a defensive point of view. It would more beneficial for them to have a point guard who is poor defensively but a great passer and solid to good 3 pt shooter . Not many available though in fairness

buyer95 · 19-01-2021 3:17pm

Livia Scarce Peppercorn wrote: »

I’d say Lowry might be debatable as an elite PG in 18/19.
Sure he won an all star and played well at various stages but he was hurt a bit and his production was down quite a bit too.

I think it’s a fair point especially in light of Lou Williams being less productive, maybe they’ll make a move to bolster it.

If Lowry is debatable, than Jason Kidd* certainly is . He's a legend, and one of my favourite players ever. He had a huge role in that Mavs team winning it all, but he was nowhere near the Jason Kidd that led the Nets to NBA Finals in 03. He was still very good, and that playoff Jason Terry carried a lot of the load also, but it was very much done by committee.

* (I actually met Kidd on my J1, he came in as a guest to golf at the club I was working at. He was happy out to chat away about basketball, at the time he was head coach of the Bucks and had Drew Gooden who was on that Mavs team with him and some other former player who I can't remember with him. When he copped the Irish accent he told me all about his Irish connections on his mothers side. He asked me if his Berkeley jersey was still hanging from the wall in Pappys (a pub J1s frequent ) and was delighted to hear it was still there!

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 19-01-2021 5:21pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I think they have to . Fair point of Lowry but at least he was all star level . PB if nowhere near that level and being a very good defensive player as a point guard isn't near enough

In fact if you look at the Clippers roster they should really be ok from a defensive point of view. It would more beneficial for them to have a point guard who is poor defensively but a great passer and solid to good 3 pt shooter . Not many available though in fairness

I just realised when looking at Lowry that year something funny about Kawhi. We all know how incredibly gifted he is but between various injuries and so forth, he has only managed 4 all-star/All-NBA appearances so far.

A list of active guys who have the same or more:

Kemba Walker
Millsap
Love
Rondo
DeRozan
Cousins
Horford
Lillard
Butler
Lowry
Kyrie
Klay
Wall
Aldridge
Griffin
Giannis

The ones highlighted are those that drafted the same year or after. Also funny looking at this who you forget got drafted before him.

Beyond that it's all the guys you'd expect to find ahead due to age/accomplishments but AD up on 7 having been drafted a year later but we see Kawhi as having been such a force for so long.

Carcharodon · 19-01-2021 6:18pm

Corvo wrote: »

A terrible collapse in the closing minutes I thought from the Lakers. LeBron with two travelling violations, missed threes from LeBron. KCP and Kuzma, and an open jumper missed from the free throw line for Davis. A difficult last second shot from LeBron still could have sealed a win.

Thought Draymond was excellent

I think the Warriors deserve a bit more credit than they are getting for this result
I can fully admit the Lakers threw let this one get away from them but some great competitiveness from the Warriors.
As you pointed out Draymond was great, they wouldn’t have that comeback in them without his fight and drive
I’d give credit to Oubre also who has struggled a lot, he put in a great shift, you got Curry with his usual clutch monster 3s down the stretch
Wiggins missed 2 big FT towards the end but still played well
I still think Lakers should have a smooth enough ride to finals, they got too much talent.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 20-01-2021 9:26am

Carcharodon wrote: »

I think the Warriors deserve a bit more credit than they are getting for this result
I can fully admit the Lakers threw let this one get away from them but some great competitiveness from the Warriors.
As you pointed out Draymond was great, they wouldn’t have that comeback in them without his fight and drive
I’d give credit to Oubre also who has struggled a lot, he put in a great shift, you got Curry with his usual clutch monster 3s down the stretch
Wiggins missed 2 big FT towards the end but still played well
I still think Lakers should have a smooth enough ride to finals, they got too much talent.

I think the Wiggins trade is evolving in an interesting way, previously I’d have said that GSW probably lost because I fancied that the Twolves would be ok this year based on KAT & Russell’s previous few years to flirt with playoffs leaving you a Top 14ish pick.

Now it looks like there is a chance the Top 3 protection may even kick in and the pick in unprotected in 2022 with Chet Holgrem up for grabs.

Still I think I’d prefer a pick in the 4-7 range in 2021 to barter with rather than roll the dice as KAT might still make a leap.
Also given GSW timeline, capitalising on a guaranteed pick in that range may be more appealing to suitors.

I think given the Twolves play thus far, you probably won that trade.

ButtersSuki · 21-01-2021 5:03am

Cleveland, with 8 players, just put up 147 in a win against Brooklyn, with the big 3 all playing. And it’s not like they played badly - KD and Kyrie both put up 35+, and Harden had a 20+ point triple double. Not much D played in that game.

Corvo · 21-01-2021 5:51am

KD playing 50 minutes is nuts

dwayneshintzy · 21-01-2021 5:57am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Cleveland, with 8 players, just put up 147 in a win against Brooklyn, with the big 3 all playing. And it’s not like they played badly - KD and Kyrie both put up 35+, and Harden had a 20+ point triple double. Not much D played in that game.

Nets aren't gonna win a title if Kyrie keeps bombing away like that. Plenty of opportunities when the game was still close in overtime, where he'd have the ball in transition and put up a brick instead of finding KD.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 21-01-2021 6:48am

Kyrie played well on his return which is pretty encouraging. The crux of it is that the Nets really shouldn’t be in the position where they need game winners vs the Cavs.
It’ll take some time for those guys to figure it out.

Not sure if they acquired the DPE for Dinwiddie yet but if it wasn’t used as part of the Harden trade they have a 5.7m exception to make a move. Not sure who’s available for that but it’s something.

Embiid was impressive against the Celtics too, they still seem to be a piece away from being realistic title contenders but if the match ups fell their way, I could see them making a conference finals.

Sweet.Science · 21-01-2021 11:12am

There is whispers re Lonzo and the Clippers

I dont hate it

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 21-01-2021 12:45pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

There is whispers re Lonzo and the Clippers

I dont hate it

Saw that too, I like it & I like Lonzo. I don’t know what’s up with him. Should be jacking up 7 3s a game, probably not but he’s working on his stroke so maybe some forgiveness there.

Perhaps a little less emphasis on his offence and a little more on his defence & passing would be a better fit.

My take away from the prospective package I saw of Lou Williams, 2nd round pick and 2 other rotation guys was that effectively the Pelicans really don’t rate him.

Also really liked Ingram playing some point forward in the past, starting to get pretty close between the best players of that draft class

Morrison J · 21-01-2021 4:36pm

Collin Sexton was really good again last night. Surely front runner for most improved player with Christian Wood. If he can get the Cavs into the playoffs he may even sneak it. 50/1 available on him which is a crazy price.

Harden definitely still getting back to his best. Nets made a bit of a hole for themselves last night when Harden struggled playing with the bench at the end of the 1st. Lack of a bench really hurt them as Nash made no changes from the 4th to 2OT. Harden, Irving and Durant all gassed by the end.

At the same time you've got 3 guys playing 50 mins. One who's began the season clearly out of shape, one who's back from a serious injury an an 18 month+ lay off and other other who missed the bulk of last season and was playing his first game back from a week+ lay off. You'd expect the fitness issues to sort themselves out more as the season progresses.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 21-01-2021 5:41pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Collin Sexton was really good again last night. Surely front runner for most improved player with Christian Wood. If he can get the Cavs into the playoffs he may even sneak it. 50/1 available on him which is a crazy price.

He's interesting now that you mention it. You might get some better insight after next 3 games Nets, Celtics & Lakers.

I think in order to win MIP, you need to get an All-Star but probably a spot up for grabs as a guard in the East.

Morrison J · 21-01-2021 7:05pm

Livia Scarce Peppercorn wrote: »

He's interesting now that you mention it. You might get some better insight after next 3 games Nets, Celtics & Lakers.

I think in order to win MIP, you need to get an All-Star but probably a spot up for grabs as a guard in the East.

Yeah the quality of opposition so far is a fair concern but still 20+ points in every game so far and last night was huge for him getting national attention. Barring an injury I can only see him gaining more momentum from here.

Christian Wood the odds on fav would probably need to beat out one or two of Anthony Davis, Gobert, Jokic or Zion to get a place in the All Star team and it's hard to see the arguement for that given how bad that Rockets team is. East all star team wide open at guard at the moment in comparison.

I think Sexton has a real chance and 50/1 is an absurd price really. Likely be able to cash out for a profit down the line anyway because his price is surely only going to fall.

Carcharodon · 22-01-2021 6:49am

Iam pretty sure I just saw Draymond get a second technical and ejected for shouting at his own player.
I know he can be annoying but come on refs, that’s shocking !!!
Draymond has been great recently and you can see how much he pushes and coaches Wiseman, it’s great to see, hopefully that championship mentality rubs off on Wiseman.

LuckyLloyd · 22-01-2021 8:31am

Nice statement win from the Lakers after the 4th quarter debacle the other night.

pjohnson · 22-01-2021 8:32am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Nice statement win from the Lakers after the 4th quarter debacle the other night.

First time in his career Davis has had 5 below 20 pt games in a row.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 22-01-2021 10:27am

pjohnson wrote: »

First time in his career Davis has had 5 below 20 pt games in a row.

I think they’re trying to reduce the load on him a little. Quite a few of his numbers are down but also are his mins.

It’s his best year yet shooting both from 3 and inside the paint so some positives on that side.

Not in line for any individual accolades but himself & LBJ know the value in using him sparingly, his production & general play scream injury prevention & playoffs.

chopperbyrne · 22-01-2021 11:32am

The Knicks on a roll.

In classic Knicks form, they'll go on to lose 12 in a row now.

23-01-2021 1:43am

Jesus, what a horrible colour clash in this Bulls vs. Hornets game.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b · 23-01-2021 10:58am

Another solid win for Sixers over the Celtics. As immense as Embiid was I thought Simmons was great especially in the 4th quarter.

A quick look through the Celtics schedule thus far does not make for great reading. 3 losses on the bounce and 3 of their wins have come via margins of 2 pts or less.

Also their pts differential has drifted into the minus too which is always a strong indicator of how seedings will fall and currently based on that they'd be 7th in the East.

Obviously Tatum to come back but he was around for all those close wins but I guess Kemba wasn't.
I've never felt the Kemba contract was a good decision and over the next 2 seasons as Tatum/Brown take a leap, I think they'll regret it.
I think the Celtics struggles may become a discussion point as the season progresses.

jk23 · 23-01-2021 11:29am

I feel like there is an inevitability to the Lakers winning this year, there is no team on the same wavelength chemistry wise. I can't see them even being tested in the first two rounds of the west....

Carcharodon · 24-01-2021 8:04am

jk23 wrote: »

I feel like there is an inevitability to the Lakers winning this year, there is no team on the same wavelength chemistry wise. I can't see them even being tested in the first two rounds of the west....

I have the same feeling, championship teams like the Lakers know how to win and most importantly when to turn it up, They still have a few more gears to kick into I believe
I like how Philly are playing but they really are just a wait and see in the playoffs, same with the Bucks

I think the Nets have the same star power/quality if not more than the Lakers but they have a weak bench and will need time to jell

I would love to see a sully healthy Lakers v fully healthy Nets finals

jk23 · 24-01-2021 1:16pm

Carcharodon wrote: »

I have the same feeling, championship teams like the Lakers know how to win and most importantly when to turn it up, They still have a few more gears to kick into I believe
I like how Philly are playing but they really are just a wait and see in the playoffs, same with the Bucks

I think the Nets have the same star power/quality if not more than the Lakers but they have a weak bench and will need time to jell

I would love to see a sully healthy Lakers v fully healthy Nets finals

That would be some series. Brooklyn need a good centre and another defensive forward/guard before they would be serious contenders though

2smiggy · 25-01-2021 11:44am

jk23 wrote: »

That would be some series. Brooklyn need a good centre and another defensive forward/guard before they would be serious contenders though

someone like Jarrett Allen ? :P

ButtersSuki · 25-01-2021 12:12pm

2smiggy wrote: »

someone like Jarrett Allen ? :P

Windhorst said last week that prior to the Harden trade the Nets did everything they could to trade Shamut for a 1st round pick so they could keep Allen but couldn't find any takers.

It's the big "what if?" of this trade. He's clearly far superior to the ageing and declining Deandre Jordan.

2020/21 NBA season + Olympics

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