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Dun Laoghaire Ironman 70.3 2018

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  • #52
    rxchxy
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    I recall seeing the cut off times for each leg on the IM70.3 Dublin page but that now seems to have been taken offline. Is it an hour for the swim, four and a half hours for the bike and two and a half for the run?


  • #53
    Redial
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    mossym wrote: »
    heard rumblings the full is going ahead but not in the dublin area. only scuttlebutt at the moment but with so many different theories going around it usually points at nothing, is something was happening the rumours would be a bit more focused

    Heard a few months ago that there were discussions and presentations to a local council for a full distance outside of Dublin starting in 2019. The proposal received further backing after discussions in early September. The popularity of the branded half must make Ireland very attractive for the company. Time will tell.


  • #54
    Grassey
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    I've heard rumbling about an IM Youghal in 2019


  • #55
    mossym
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    Redial wrote: »
    Heard a few months ago that there were discussions and presentations to a local council for a full distance outside of Dublin starting in 2019. The proposal received further backing after discussions in early September. .
    Grassey wrote: »
    I've heard rumbling about an IM Youghal in 2019

    yeah, that's similar to what i heard, cork based full IM


  • #56
    GoHardOrGoHome
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    Milk_Tray wrote: »
    I just created the route on strava, I think i'll give it a go soon!

    Could you share a link if you get a chance?!


  • #57
    RacoonQueen
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    rxchxy wrote: »
    I recall seeing the cut off times for each leg on the IM70.3 Dublin page but that now seems to have been taken offline. Is it an hour for the swim, four and a half hours for the bike and two and a half for the run?

    1:10 - swim
    5:30 - swim + T1 + bike
    8:30 finish

    IM Dublin is now down as 'disontinued'
    http://eu.ironman.com/triathlon/events/emea/ironman-70.3/dublin.aspx#axzz4y8AvcbCB


  • #58
    peter kern
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    Originally Posted by Redial viewpost.gif
    Heard a few months ago that there were discussions and presentations to a local council for a full distance outside of Dublin starting in 2019. The proposal received further backing after discussions in early September. .
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Grassey viewpost.gif
    I've heard rumbling about an IM Youghal in 2019

    yeah, that's similar to what i heard, cork based full IM




    I would think that its very unlikely that ironman would have 2 races in Ireland based on population numbers and catchment area ( ie very small and ironman wales so close and not selling out )

    just my 2 cents


  • #59
    Keeks
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    Milk_Tray wrote: »
    I just created the route on strava, I think i'll give it a go soon!

    I would also be interested in this link


  • #60
    Redial
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    peter kern wrote: »
    I would think that its very unlikely that ironman would have 2 races in Ireland based on population numbers and catchment area ( ie very small and ironman wales so close and not selling out )

    just my 2 cents

    As a company, they'd be crazy not to consider it. If my dates are correct, interest appears to be dropping for the half over the past few years based on the sellout dates. I'm not sure what the magic number is to stay reasonably profitable. You'd have to assume that there's a window to convert those half people for a branded full before getting out of dodge.

    I'd love to know what the percentage of participants is that did Dublin in the past 3 years where it was their first middle distance race. I bet it's high and this number could be a significant input in to a decision to run a branded full. Also love to see the population to participants ratios that go to Barcelona etc. from Ireland for a full.


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  • #61
    Macy0161
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    Redial wrote: »
    I'd love to know what the percentage of participants is that did Dublin in the past 3 years where it was their first middle distance race. I bet it's high and this number could be a significant input in to a decision to run a branded full.
    Definitely a significant number in my club. And interestingly was talking to one of those from this year who said they'd start looking at unbranded halves now they have done a branded one.

    I haven't done the distance, but have no interest in supporting the brand tbh, but that bike course has me tempted, especially as I live on the route. However, I would be skeptical it will go ahead on that exact route - shutting down Roundwood, on a Sunday, in peak summer/ tourist time? Hard to see there not being some resistance given there is no real benefit and only costs tbh.


  • #62
    peter kern
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    Redial wrote: »
    As a company, they'd be crazy not to consider it. If my dates are correct, interest appears to be dropping for the half over the past few years based on the sellout dates. I'm not sure what the magic number is to stay reasonably profitable. You'd have to assume that there's a window to convert those half people for a branded full before getting out of dodge.

    I'd love to know what the percentage of participants is that did Dublin in the past 3 years where it was their first middle distance race. I bet it's high and this number could be a significant input in to a decision to run a branded full. Also love to see the population to participants ratios that go to Barcelona etc. from Ireland for a full.

    i dont quite know the number i would say 1000 irish doing and ironman distance this year would not be far of and of those maybe 60 or so do 2 ( some 350 irish in barcelona)
    i did hear this week germany with 80 milion inhabitants had 10 000 people doing an irondistance race this year

    the brakeven point for a race would be roughly between 800 and 1200. depending on what council pays and title sponosr currency exchange and whatever
    so a race that has 2400 people is likely more proifitalbe than 2 races with 1400
    I do think an ironman branded full would work maybe for 1 or 2 races but it would not be sustainable in my mind (or better the way ironman likes to conduct bussiness ) ,
    and as i said 2 Im branded races in ireland in one year I cant see happening ( that of course dosnt mean it wont but i would be very suprised and if it would happen i would see it in the way they do it in malaysia and other places where they have a 70.3 and a full at the same day and same course
    if you look at the other im threads in the forun there were many people that said they would not do a full ironman in Ireland,

    I guess getting up the numbers to 350 people or so for the hardman would be sustainalble for ireland .


  • #63
    RacoonQueen
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    If I was to do a full distance in Ireland - I'd be looking at the likes of Hardman. No chance I'd dole out 600 on entry to do a branded race here. Part of the pull of the branded race for me is the holiday you get out of it too. Would probably work out roughly the same by the time you enter hardman, travel to Killarney and pay accommodation there as it would to do a branded race in Dublin though :)
    Full distance in Ireland wouldn't have been very appealing to me for my first - think I'd be happy enough to go for it now that I've traveled twice for one. Plus in an Irish one the numbers would be low enough that you can place higher and make people think you're anything more than distinctly average. :D


  • #64
    peter kern
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    could you explain me the logic behind , abroad you do ironman at home not ... you could do a non branded full and make a vacation out of it ....

    there is
    regensburg unesco city
    elbaman great island
    the amazing embrunman alps
    balertonman lake etc


  • #65
    RacoonQueen
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    Harder to find info on non-branded fulls abroad. Part of the appeal of IM is the big race day experience. Have never heard of any of the races you list. Branded you'll also have a lot of other Irish there so you're never on your own, there'll always be people you know or at least kinda know. Go do some obscure race in the back ar*se of Lithuania and you'll likely be on your tod.
    Lots of reasons really. Hard to get a gang of others interested in non-branded races.
    At home, doing long distance would be fine. Easy to find out how to get where you are going. They speak the same language for getting race info etc
    Any time I've looked for non-branded overseas have found it next to impossible to find race info / anything in english.


  • #66
    Shedite27
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    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Harder to find info on non-branded fulls abroad. Part of the appeal of IM is the big race day experience. Have never heard of any of the races you list. Branded you'll also have a lot of other Irish there so you're never on your own, there'll always be people you know or at least kinda know. Go do some obscure race in the back ar*se of Lithuania and you'll likely be on your tod.
    That's it for me, with Ironman you're guaranteed a standard and crowd,


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  • #67
    peter kern
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    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Harder to find info on non-branded fulls abroad. Part of the appeal of IM is the big race day experience. Have never heard of any of the races you list. Branded you'll also have a lot of other Irish there so you're never on your own, there'll always be people you know or at least kinda know. Go do some obscure race in the back ar*se of Lithuania and you'll likely be on your tod.
    Lots of reasons really. Hard to get a gang of others interested in non-branded races.
    At home, doing long distance would be fine. Easy to find out how to get where you are going. They speak the same language for getting race info etc
    Any time I've looked for non-branded overseas have found it next to impossible to find race info / anything in english.




    http://en.challenge-regensburg.com/ ( likley wont be a challenge race 2018 year )
    http://www.elbaman.it/index.asp
    http://www.ironcat.org/irocas/homeengl1.htm
    http://www.embrunman.com/fichiers/pratiacls%202015.html
    http://www.austria-triathlon.at/en

    bearman in france organiced irish couple should be english

    pretty much all the spanish non branded races have english websites

    balertonman in hungary a bit more tricky but there is some english too but there is a forum member who has been there .

    the rest i cant comment as i guess iam too different and like exactly what you dont like .


  • #68
    yheno
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    Have you actually done Elbaman ????


  • #69
    peter kern
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    i havent but an athlete of mine has and a friend of mine as well and both liked it a lot .
    not an easy bike ( similar to IM UK ) but really nice . I have been to elba and its a great island.
    if you have a look at facebok page it get excellent reviews too ( the first one s by a german who has done the race 7 times ) and all the english reviwes are very good too.
    i assume this year is the last year its being run.


  • #70
    BTH
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    peter kern wrote: »
    i assume this year is the last year its being run.

    Maybe not

    http://www.220triathlon.com/news/elbaman-to-return-in-2018/12111.html


  • #71
    Redial
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    peter kern wrote: »
    I do think an ironman branded full would work maybe for 1 or 2 races but it would not be sustainable in my mind (or better the way ironman likes to conduct bussiness ) ,
    and as i said 2 Im branded races in ireland in one year I cant see happening ( that of course dosnt mean it wont but i would be very suprised and if it would happen i would see it in the way they do it in malaysia and other places where they have a 70.3 and a full at the same day and same course.

    So do I Peter. The question I'm pondering though, is if the IM half will be still be on the island in 3/4 years given the popularity is slowly waning and if as part of that exit plan, IM will run a few full races before moving on. It makes business sense to me to do so.

    Let's not kid ourselves about the sustainability piece. That's not in their plan. They have the market data and can probably tell us now how many years they have left to maximise profits before moving on somewhere else.

    If/ when they do go though, they'll have to get credit for contributing to the boost in Triathlon participation in Ireland over the past few years. I also bet that participation will drop when they do. I'd be hoping when the dust settles that the club races get a lift on the back of it and are winners in the long term.


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  • #72
    peter kern
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    BTH wrote: »
    Maybe not

    http://www.220triathlon.com/news/elbaman-to-return-in-2018/12111.html

    i meant 2018 last year


  • #73
    jnk883
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    You would have to wonder though would a full attract more people from abroad. Maybe its not worth their while to travel for a half but they would for a full. If an IM branded full came to Ireland I'd definitely think about doing it. I'm a sucker of wanting my 1st full distance race to be an IM. I had thought about going to Bolton or Tenby but the cost of travel and getting the bike over, the extra days needed either side etc put me off. But if in Ireland, and even better Cork it would be so much easier to arrange from my side.
    But as mentioned above I feel a half distance would need to run along side it to make it commercial sense. Again no doubt IM would have the research done on is it viable or not. It will be interested on seeing how it works out. Since its 2019 I have a feeling this conversation could go on until this time next year


  • #74
    Shedite27
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    The only full IM I've done was Austria.

    The bike course was 2 laps, as was the run. So apart from having to close the roads for twice as long, they still needed the same amount of bollards, branding, barriers, transitions etc. Obviously need more food/drink too, but certainly can't imagine it needs a big jump in funding. In UK for example, 70.3 is £310, full £440.

    Point being I guess that you probably need less athletes to get to the break even point for a full.


  • #75
    peter kern
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    So do I Peter. The question I'm pondering though, is if the IM half will be still be on the island in 3/4 years given the popularity is slowly waning and if as part of that exit plan, IM will run a few full races before moving on. It makes business sense to me to do so.

    Let's not kid ourselves about the sustainability piece. That's not in their plan. They have the market data and can probably tell us now how many years they have left to maximise profits before moving on somewhere else.

    If/ when they do go though, they'll have to get credit for contributing to the boost in Triathlon participation in Ireland over the past few years. I also bet that participation will drop when they do. I'd be hoping when the dust settles that the club races get a lift on the back of it and are winners in the long term.



    i do not think ironman race in ireland has much part in boosting triathlon in ireland when they arrived the boost had already happend, the reason behind this are a few people around in 2002 the at the then time president of Ti and presdent of 3d and one of the main founder of tri athlone the main figure . lmerick tri club keepng alvie the hell of the west and also the guy we cant talk about on boards growng belpark and being involed in tri athy they were the main force and of course forget at least 10 more people. followed by steady good work by Ti clubs etc.
    Ironman has an impact in the bucketlist triathlon , and thats also good , if they go we surely will have less "one triathlon and out people" but i would not see this as an issue and would think this will be compnenstated that many tri clubs are starting up youth sections.
    and yes people are likley do do more races as less of the entry fee budeget is tight up in 1 race .

    of course its a profit focused company but you will see that almost as often as not ,the reason they move on is because councils dont want to pay the fees anymore as they dont see the return of investment.or their is change of leading parties after an election with dffernt interest,
    or too many people complainng about the race. etc

    the problem is not ironman its an self proclaimed agressve company but still overall does more good to the sport than bad , the problem are the triathletes that allow Ironman become a momopoly . monoplies are never good.


  • #76
    EC1000
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    Redial wrote: »

    If/ when they do go though, they'll have to get credit for contributing to the boost in Triathlon participation in Ireland over the past few years.

    Don't agree with the above. I think it's safe to say Ironman arrived as a result of the boom in participation rather than the other way around. Those that take part in branded races in Ireland make up a tiny percentage of "triathletes" here. It's all about the business case for IM and they weren't long slinging their hook in Galway when the money ran dry.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm as much a sucker for an IM race as the next person but if fairness, I think the rise in level of participation in Tri preceeded IM coming to these shores and is a result of the dedication of the various clubs who have been organising excellent races for years (Lost Sheep, HOTW, etc.) and will continue to do so after IM have decided to stay or go.


  • #77
    Redial
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    EC1000 wrote: »
    Don't agree with the above. I think it's safe to say Ironman arrived as a result of the boom in participation rather than the other way around. Those that take part in branded races in Ireland make up a tiny percentage of "triathletes" here. It's all about the business case for IM and they weren't long slinging their hook in Galway when the money ran dry.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm as much a sucker for an IM race as the next person but if fairness, I think the rise in level of participation in Tri preceeded IM coming to these shores and is a result of the dedication of the various clubs who have been organising excellent races for years (Lost Sheep, HOTW, etc.) and will continue to do so after IM have decided to stay or go.

    I'm not saying they started the boom in participation nor am I saying that they were the main reason for any significant increases - far from it actually. There's not enough benefit for them in being a trailblazer in a market. I'm wondering about when and how Dublin could go the way of Galway, what the conditions need to be like to move on (as Ireland is no longer viable) and whether IM will throw in a few fulls before doing so for good measure to squeeze the last out of it. I'm also not saying that levels of participation will be significantly affected by the decision to stay/go.

    I am saying that the numbers who have completed a triathlon in the past 3 years would not have been the same if IM didn't come to town based on my own experience and the draw of the brand. Whether it's enough to make a dent is a different conversation but they should get credit for that in the overall story none the less.

    <pinktext> I also wonder how increasing the quality of the t-shirt and finishers medal in all races (something we all secretly advocate for) would help elevate the sport to the next level </pinktext>

    Back to Topic....


  • #78
    peter kern
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    they have been a trailblazer in many many countries
    USA, austria japan sweden Canada brasil switzerland philipines taiwan, denmark in the later two maybe challenge played a bigger part and germany to some extend would come to mind.

    i dont think they squeze out a market they have squezed out competiors
    and they are responsible that triathlon is more and more perceived a rich mans sport but on top of my head there is not a single country they are currently not represented were they have set up races ( malaysia and china they had left for a while for a while but are back)


  • #79
    Munstermunch
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    Ok so I have entered my first Half Ironman 19th August 2018 Dunlaoirge. Tuned in last night to listen to race director talk about course profile & I have to say the cycle route scares the life out of me 😩to date I have only done a few sprint Triathlons & even at that I just do them to complete them I’m not a speedy triathlete. Beginning to wonder if I’ve jumped the gun a bit. Would love to hear from any other Novices who are doing it this year & also experienced triathlete & cyclists familiar with the course especially the cycle. Is is achievable for newbies like me with not much cycle experience & none up the mountains. Thanks


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  • #81
    Statler
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    Munstermunch wrote: »
    Ok so I have entered my first Half Ironman 19th August 2018 Dunlaoirge. Tuned in last night to listen to race director talk about course profile & I have to say the cycle route scares the life out of me &#55357;&#56873;to date I have only done a few sprint Triathlons & even at that I just do them to complete them I’m not a speedy triathlete. Beginning to wonder if I’ve jumped the gun a bit. Would love to hear from any other Novices who are doing it this year & also experienced triathlete & cyclists familiar with the course especially the cycle. Is is achievable for newbies like me with not much cycle experience & none up the mountains. Thanks

    You've 9 months to train, you'll be grand. The bike route is tough, but by no means impossible. If you live nearby train on the route as often as possible, at least from Shankill onwards, the first 9/10km of the bike route isn't the most pleasant with traffic, although a lot of it has bike paths, but it's just not particularly nice and there's no real climbs on it apart from a short lumpy bit coming up to Sallynoggin.


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  • #82
    Milk_Tray
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    Munstermunch wrote: »
    Ok so I have entered my first Half Ironman 19th August 2018 Dunlaoirge. Tuned in last night to listen to race director talk about course profile & I have to say the cycle route scares the life out of me &#55357;&#56873;to date I have only done a few sprint Triathlons & even at that I just do them to complete them I’m not a speedy triathlete. Beginning to wonder if I’ve jumped the gun a bit. Would love to hear from any other Novices who are doing it this year & also experienced triathlete & cyclists familiar with the course especially the cycle. Is is achievable for newbies like me with not much cycle experience & none up the mountains. Thanks

    join a club and get out with them, that will bring you on serious amounts


  • #83
    paulie gaultieri
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    The wicklow 100 sportif in early June might be worth doing munstermunch if you're based around Dublin. A few hilly sportifs beforehand and you'll be fine.


  • #84
    Munstermunch
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    paulie gaultieri wrote: »
    The wicklow 100 sportif in early June might be worth doing munstermunch if you're based around Dublin. A few hilly sportifs beforehand and you'll be fine.

    Yes was looking at Wicklow 100 Paulie will this cover some of the same route as Ironman Dunlaoirge?


  • #85
    Statler
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    Munstermunch wrote: »
    Yes was looking at Wicklow 100 Paulie will this cover some of the same route as Ironman Dunlaoirge?

    Not really the same route, the section up Old Long Hill after Enniskerry to Roundwood is the same if I'm not mistaken, but done in reverse on both events, we'll be coming back down Old Long Hill on the 70.3 I think. Considering how far away both events are why not aim for the Wicklow 200, plenty of climbs on that and if you get around that in one piece there's nothing on the IM 70.3 that should worry you.


  • #86
    paulie gaultieri
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    Sorry haven't really studied the new 70.3 route - if you are worried about the 70.3 profile munstermunch the full w200 might be a tall order....its a tough day if you're not conditioned for that distance and profile. Another sportif to consider is the mick byrne 100 which departs Cuala Gaa pitch in Dalkey at the end of May. The starting point is only a few kms from the 70.3 start.....


  • #87
    noddy69
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    Statler wrote: »
    Not really the same route, the section up Old Long Hill after Enniskerry to Roundwood is the same if I'm not mistaken, but done in reverse on both events, we'll be coming back down Old Long Hill on the 70.3 I think. Considering how far away both events are why not aim for the Wicklow 200, plenty of climbs on that and if you get around that in one piece there's nothing on the IM 70.3 that should worry you.

    Not the same section if the wicklow route is like last year.The road the IM is on is the back road while the W100/200 takes the main road all the way.

    Still is def worth doing pre IM as a tester for the legs


  • #88
    Ro55er
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    It's definitely a very tough course but doable physically. It's very similar to my long ride route which I'd do weekly in the summer. There's some nasty hills without a doubt. The run will be a different beast now.

    My biggest concern is that there are some very fast descents around Tinnehinch and Long hill where the road surface isn't great (Very bumpy and jumpy at speed). On a Sunday plod absolutely no problem but TT bikes and racing cowboys could make these pretty hairy. Very surprised to be honest. If I was to pick the Hilliest 90km in south Dublin/Wicklow this would pretty much be it. I do wonder if whoever made the route ever actually rode it. Obviously popular on strava route planner but for an Ironman race?? Not sure it's wise. Future entries may suffer.


  • #89
    Seanie_H
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    Most Ironman courses are:
    a) simple and flat OR
    b) have at least one really tough leg

    The difficulty will be a draw for a lot of people also


  • #90
    Ro55er
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    Seanie_H wrote: »
    Most Ironman courses are:
    a) simple and flat OR
    b) have at least one really tough leg

    The difficulty will be a draw for a lot of people also

    For sure and lighter riders will love it, although I'd be more likely to use a road bike looking at the profile. I'd also say that the twisty descents and the road surface on those sections, which theres no arguing are pretty crap, would make a TT bike treacherous. I would like to use a TT bike in a home Ironman but knowing the route I could see problems.

    For me it was a bit of a let down but I'll get over it (literally). Unfortunately for some friends the challenge was completing it, which now is genuinely unrealistic compared to last year.


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  • #91
    EC1000
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    Ro55er wrote: »
    which now is genuinely unrealistic compared to last year.

    Why?


  • #92
    Ro55er
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Ro55er


    EC1000 wrote: »
    Why?

    A hilly route (which this definitely is) will require a hell of a lot more effort and energy for a heavier rider who will also have a run to deal with. This route is physiologically more demanding and will cost a lot more than last years. If last years route was going to be a genuine challenge this one will be farther from reach.

    Yes they can train, and yes theres a "good" amount of time to train. But, there is only so much that can be done in a given time frame. In short this route will require more time to prepare for. For some this is a bucket list challenge not just another race. A new challenge is great for some but its not good news for all. A shame but again not the real problem with the route.^^


  • #93
    Djoucer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Djoucer


    If you can't cycle around Wicklow for a few hours and jog 21km afterwards, you've no business entering a half ironman.

    The course isn't the problem. It's the competitors looking for a "bucket list" tick without having to put in the effort.


  • #94
    Ro55er
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Ro55er


    Djoucer wrote: »
    If you can't cycle around Wicklow for a few hours and jog 21km afterwards, you've no business entering a half ironman.

    The course isn't the problem. It's the competitors looking for a "bucket list" tick without having to put in the effort.

    I know right, They're pathetic :P


  • #95
    BTH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    These are the cut off times. If someone has concerns about missing these cut off times they have no business entering this race. IF you take the full swim cut off to complete the swim (which is 3:40 per 100 :eek:) the a measly 21kmph will still get you inside the cut off on the bike.

    Cut off times:
    Swim: 1 hours 10 minutes, plus a further 10 minutes from the swim cut off to start the bike.

    Bike: 5 hours 30 minutes (after you cross the swim start timing mat) plus a further 10 minutes from the bike cut off to start the run.

    Run: 8 hours 30 minutes (after you cross the swim start timing mat).


  • #96
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    BTH wrote: »
    These are the cut off times. If someone has concerns about missing these cut off times they have no business entering this race. IF you take the full swim cut off to complete the swim (which is 3:40 per 100 :eek:) the a measly 21kmph will still get you inside the cut off on the bike.

    why so elitist ? i think no buisness is takeing it a bit far . suggesting first trainig for an oly distance before attempting an half might be the better idea .


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  • #97
    BTH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    peter kern wrote: »
    why so elitist ? i think no buisness is takeing it a bit far . suggesting first trainig for an oly distance before attempting an half might be the better idea .

    I said they have no business entering THIS race. As a coach, would you advise someone to enter a race they are completely incapable of finishing? By all means come back after a year or two of racing shorter stuff, but anyone who looks at an 8:30 cut off and thinks that's a very tough target shouldn't be touching a middle distance race


    If I wanted to be elitist I would tell anyone who cant break 5:30 to stick to sportives and parkruns.


  • #98
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    BTH wrote: »
    I said they have no business entering THIS race. As a coach, would you advise someone to enter a race they are completely incapable of finishing? By all means come back after a year or two of racing shorter stuff, but anyone who looks at an 8:30 cut off and thinks that's a very tough target shouldn't be touching a middle distance race


    If I wanted to be elitist I would tell anyone who cant break 5:30 to stick to sportives and parkruns.

    I was just joking as for some people anything more than telling everybody how fantastic they are is elitist ....



    at this stage ironman is much more show than race anyway so i would say its exactly this race that attracts those people you mention and its also those people ironman wants to attract

    i already told you what i would do as a coach to encurage them to do olympics and i would to that to pretty much anybody tha cant break 5.30 for a half . at the same time for some only a branded race willl do and chalenge is something you are not supposed to be sure if you can finsih it and they are over 18 and are allowed what they do. and some will train more to get it done next year .
    btw the irish park run record is 14.40 or so and i think i saw sub 14 in uk...


  • #99
    iwillhtfu
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    What is of was the DNS/DNF % of the the last Dublin 70.3? A lot of these entrants may be enough to make this race financially viable. As mentioned a change in route to a hillier route may put off the bucket list tickers and as such make it no longer financially viable. It will certainly be interesting to see how well it's subscribed this year.

    Clearly it's not a huge ask to spin the legs around cruise the run for most particularly if you're out to complete not compete. Each entrant is a figure though and I'm guessing they gauge the potential for a full IM against his.


  • #100
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Ro55er wrote: »
    My biggest concern is that there are some very fast descents around Tinnehinch and Long hill where the road surface isn't great (Very bumpy and jumpy at speed). On a Sunday plod absolutely no problem but TT bikes and racing cowboys could make these pretty hairy. Very surprised to be honest. If I was to pick the Hilliest 90km in south Dublin/Wicklow this would pretty much be it. I do wonder if whoever made the route ever actually rode it. Obviously popular on strava route planner but for an Ironman race?? Not sure it's wise. Future entries may suffer.

    Racing cowboys???

    Maybe your friends could do one of the other middle distance races in Ireland. I would say Tri Tyrone middle distance would be achievable for them.


  • #101
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Racing cowboys???

    You know people chasing a time and/or performance as opposed to the medal, story and tattoo.


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