With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 12:33am

Before you ask why would Israel use this network well sometimes your enemies can help.

Otto Skorzeny was one of the most outstanding military men of the 20th century. His specialty was daring, guerrilla-style, commando raids. He was an unrepentant Nazi, a senior SS officer, who remained involved in right-wing causes his whole life. And now it’s emerged that he was also an agent and hitman for Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service.

The extraordinary story of Skorzeny’s work for Israel is documented for the first time in the latest edition of the magazine, Forward. The piece was written by Dan Raviv, a correspondent with CBS Radio News, and Yossi Melman, an Israeli author. Together the two men have written five books on Israeli intelligence operations.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-30/how-famous-former-nazi-officer-became-hitman-israel

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 12:47am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Before you ask why would Israel use this network well sometimes your enemies can help.

Otto Skorzeny was one of the most outstanding military men of the 20th century. His specialty was daring, guerrilla-style, commando raids. He was an unrepentant Nazi, a senior SS officer, who remained involved in right-wing causes his whole life. And now it’s emerged that he was also an agent and hitman for Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service.

The extraordinary story of Skorzeny’s work for Israel is documented for the first time in the latest edition of the magazine, Forward. The piece was written by Dan Raviv, a correspondent with CBS Radio News, and Yossi Melman, an Israeli author. Together the two men have written five books on Israeli intelligence operations.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-30/how-famous-former-nazi-officer-became-hitman-israel

Yeah, mixing fact with fiction, this is the basis for all the far-fetched conspiracy stuff, got it

But you say these ex-Nazi's killed JFK, they also carried out 9/11 according to you, right..

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 12:55am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And carried out 9/11 right?

First operation: 9/11 the official story not entirely inaccurate. Al Qaeda existed, and the men involved were terrorists.
Al Qaeda is a proxy force for the Pakistan ISI and Saudi Arabia. An operation of this size could not have got the go ahead without them knowing in advance. CIA allowed it to happen., evidence supports that conclusion.
Second operation: CIA/ Fascist international placed the demolitions/Nano thermite inside the building before the attack. Who exactly all the players are here unsure. I have strong suspicion Donald Rumsfeld was one of the leaders of the conspiracy and George Tenet head of the CIA.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 1:03am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

First operation: 9/11 the official story not entirely inaccurate. Al Qaeda existed, and the men involved were terrorists.
Al Qaeda is a proxy force for the Pakistan ISI and Saudi Arabia. An operation of this size could not have got the go ahead without them knowing in advance. CIA allowed it to happen., evidence supports that conclusion.
Second operation: CIA/ Fascist international placed the demolitions/Nano thermite inside the building before the attack. Who exactly all the players are here unsure. I have strong suspicion Donald Rumsfeld was one of the leaders of the conspiracy and George Tenet head of the CIA.

Wait so, real Al Qaeda terrorists flew planes into the buildings?

But Nazi's from World War 2 also blew up those same buildings, correct?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 1:07am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Wait so, real Al Qaeda terrorists flew planes into the buildings?

But Nazi's from World War 2 also blew up those same buildings, correct?

Al Qaeda hijacked the plane's, the first operation.
Al Qaeda was not aware of the second operation. It was done in secret. CIA knew in advance 9/11 was going to happen. Operatives were sent in to do it.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 1:10am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Al Qaeda hijacked the plane's, the first operation.
Al Qaeda was not aware of the second operation. It was done in secret. CIA knew in advance 9/11 was going to happen. Operatives were sent in to do it.

And the Nazi's from World War 2 took no part in any of this?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 1:23am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And the Nazi's from World War 2 took no part in any of this?

By 2001 this group is corporate involved in extensive business around the world. The Fascist international is not the same group as it was in 1963 when Kennedy murdered. The interests and goals have changed.

The former WW2 Nazis were alive in 1963.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 1:32am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Fascist international is not the same group as it was in 1963 when Kennedy murdered. The interests and goals have changed.

Right, their interests and goals changed from what to what?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 1:59am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Right, their interests and goals changed from what to what?

Follow the money and the business interests.

Snopes
Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/put-paid/

Snopes is lying here 38 companies were under investigation for strange activity at Wall Street, just like everything else that news story disappeared.

A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10.

Snopes does not reveal here is the investor was A. B. Krongard- Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
He was doing this the week before 9/11.They left him off because he no ties to Al Qaeda

He purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6- one day not suspicious? UAL is United airlines their planes got hijacked on 9/11

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 2:21am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Follow (...)

You wrote

The Fascist international is not the same group as it was in 1963 when Kennedy murdered. The interests and goals have changed.

Their interests and goals changed from what to what?

Ted_YNWA · 20-05-2020 5:46am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote:

Al Qaeda hijacked the plane's, the first operation. Al Qaeda was not aware of the second operation. It was done in secret. CIA knew in advance 9/11 was going to happen. Operatives were sent in to do it.

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

The Nal · 20-05-2020 9:40am

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

Both within 45 minutes of each other. One attack by plane and then then the secret Nazis who already had the buildings rigged somehow and whos explosives managed to survive the planes and the raging inferno, brought down the buildings.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Otto Skorzeny is alleged to be have taken part and shot at JFK in Dallas. It was CIA operation/ they hired shooters who keep quiet.

Alleged in a book - that you haven't read - called The Skorzeny Papers. And it goes nowhere, no evidence, no proof, nothing. Literally, not one single thing linking him to it.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

This information outside your frame of reference. This is the hidden history you will not find on CNN or MSBC, or Fox News or RTE.

lol. You copied and pasted from wikipedia.

Widely reported. Google it. Irish Times, Indo, BBC.... Skorzeny lived in Kildare in the late 50s and early 60s. 200 odd Nazis lived in Ireland.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 11:23am

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

I'm betting that you'll typically receive a short yes answer followed by a deflection into something vaguely related to 9/11 conspiracies or Nazi's.

Or, you will receive a full Alex Jones style deflection

e.g.

Al Qaeda flew planes into the buildings

A separate group also rigged the buildings with charges. They obviously wanted to make sure the buildings went down for maximum impact. How else do you explain the traces of thermite found in the buildings after the attacks? they say fire brought down the buildings, so how do you explain all the steel skyscrapers around the world that have gone on fire and didn't collapse? what about WTC 7, that wasn't hit by a plane, how did that 47 story skyscraper magically collapse from small office fires? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that something stinks about all this..

The NIST investigation into 911? they were caught lying, there's a video of it. Other investigations contradicted each other's details. The only real study, by the University of Fairbanks, discovered that WTC 7 didn't actually collapse from fires, that something wiping out the columns caused the collapse, it's been published and peer reviewed, yet there is absolute silence from the authorities over this, I wonder why that is..

It's pretty obvious we aren't being told the full story..

We'll see

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 3:06pm

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

The Central Intelligence Agency involvement in stock market trading prior to 9/11 is to my mind evidence they were Insider trading. Suspicious money transfers and stock transactions took place on the day of 9/11 and prior to it weeks before the planes struck the buildings. The world news media reported on it. The Twin Towers was at the point an economic and insurance hub for corporations worldwide. There was a portfolio of capital making firms and economic holding companies with offices inside both Towers and monetary historians have written respected papers suspicious transactions in oil, insurance, airlines, and more all occurred the week before 9/11.

The SEC https://www.sec.gov/ in in their wisdom, despite this acknowledged activity of investors placing bets the stock would drop in price, closed all investigations when unable to establish the stock investors had ties to the Al Qaeda network.. I have an issue - no associations to terrorism groups does not mean the stock insiders had no prior knowledge the attack be taken place.

When they’re plenty of substantial and credible evidence that illustrates the CIA had advance Knowledge the attacks would happen on that day and later placed bets, 7 days before 9/11, then why is this avoided discussion today?

I have written this before. The CIA Bin Laden Unit learned in the year 2000 a cell of Al Qaeda had entered the US to carry out an attack. This finding over the years, supported by politicians, media and journalists, it not make believe. The CIA has no oversight, they merely answer to themselves. When the 9/11 commission heard testimony, the CIA gave there’s behind sealed doors, and nobody knows what was said. The CIA kept the terrorist arrival from the FBI. Many FBI agents have broken ranks and stated the CIA had prior knowledge. US intelligence was aware of the movements and travels of the 9/11 hijackers.

There’s a years of information here to go over, that one would need to write a book to make sense of it all.

Why do I believe it, the Towers and WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition
I recognize the CIA had advanced knowledge (they had the intelligence) and had the capabilities to do it and had access to advanced military materials and they are most likely the culprits?

Even mainstream steel studies( not truther studies) report significant and rare unseen phenomenons occurred here on 9/11. The Fires in buildings have similar properties and heat and air temperatures, don’t change unless there something else fuelling the fire to make it hotter.

This was also the first time in history a high rise of steel framed columns
had collapsed due to fire. Never happened prior to 9/11 or after 9/11. On 9/11 three buildings came down- steel framed high rises. WTC7 was not hit by a large plane.

FEMA in 2002 indicated a rare event occurred where some of the steel melting inside the towers and at WTC7. FEMA had never encountered this before in other building fires. NIST of course denied any Steel melted in their paper, and this not true statement, when other studies dispute that.

New York firefighters, search and digger crews, and helpers all mentioned on video there was this red/hot liquid streaming down the channel rails of the steel. They asserted it was "Molten steel" NIST on video says no one mentioned seeing molten steel and this is absolutely unreliable statement from them when there video online.

RJLee group described there was 6 percent/weight of Iron Microspheres found in the WTC dust that covered Manhattan . Debunkers on here are making excuses they can be created by others ways and that means the nanothermite theory nonsense Yes they can be made other ways.

The RJLee group specific here they appeared inside the buildings just prior to collapse of the buildings! There was a significant high temperature source that made them. This is where the nanothermite theory is believe.
Mix AI+ Iron Oxide and burn it Rich pure Iron Microspheres appear as a byproduct. Steel Microspheres is something different, It be blended with other elements. It not pure Iron Fe spheres. Iron FE spheres is a byproduct thermatic reaction.
There more I leaving out that would prove the controlled demolition theory, but these rare phenomenons are ignored by debunkers and they will again i am sure.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 3:14pm

lol, called it

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 3:54pm

Okay Cheerful, let's try to sum this all up..

1. The CIA worked with 2001 Al Qaeda (conspiracy justification: allegedly CIA worked with the Mujahideen in the 80's, ergo they were in bed with modern-day Al Qaeda)

2. 2001 Al Qaeda was a "proxy terrorist force" for the Saudi Arabia and Pakistan leadership (conspiracy justification: they're all Muslims)

3. The CIA knew of a plan to kill thousands of US civilians and were completely fine with it, in fact they supported and facilitated it (conspiracy justification: operation Northwoods in the 60's, and the ex-FBI head said the CIA were trying to infiltrate the team and then lost track of them which naturally means they were all plotting together)

4. Larry Silverstein, who was the lease-holder of many of the WTC buildings plotted with his insurance company to blow up at least one of the buildings: WTC 7 (conspiracy justification: he said "pull it" live on national television, which obviously meant blowing up his own buildings)

5. The CIA also worked with "secret Nazi's", a group known as "Fascist International" to rig the Twin Towers and WTC 7 (tripping over Larry Silverstein's crew doing the same thing) with silent wireless boxes of red nano/super thermite explosive flakes to blow them up after both planes hit their mark (conspiracy justification: iron microspheres were found, therefore thermite, therefore controlled demolition)

6. Donald Rumsfeld was involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

7. The US president was involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

8. NORAD was involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

9. Mossad were "probably" involved (conspiracy justification: the dancing Israeli's)

10. The 200+ experts and scientists of the National Institute of Standards and Technology who conducted the investigation into the event were involved (conspiracy justification: they produced the hated NIST report which demonstrated that the buildings fell due to fire)

11. Unspecified US military generals were involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

12. "Various" businessmen were involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

13. Joe Biden was involved (conspiracy justification: it was in a conspiracy blog)

By last count at least a dozen different conspiracies (and gross acts of treason) as part of one massive 9/11 inside job, is there anyone I have forgotten in there?

King Mob · 20-05-2020 4:05pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Why do I believe it, the Towers and WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition
I recognize the CIA had advanced knowledge (they had the intelligence) and had the capabilities to do it and had access to advanced military materials and they are most likely the culprits?

Even mainstream steel studies( not truther studies) report significant and rare unseen phenomenons occurred here on 9/11. The Fires in buildings have similar properties and heat and air temperatures, don’t change unless there something else fuelling the fire to make it hotter.

This was also the first time in history a high rise of steel framed columns
had collapsed due to fire. Never happened prior to 9/11 or after 9/11. On 9/11 three buildings came down- steel framed high rises. WTC7 was not hit by a large plane.

FEMA in 2002 indicated a rare event occurred where some of the steel melting inside the towers and at WTC7. FEMA had never encountered this before in other building fires. NIST of course denied any Steel melted in their paper, and this not true statement, when other studies dispute that.

New York firefighters, search and digger crews, and helpers all mentioned on video there was this red/hot liquid streaming down the channel rails of the steel. They asserted it was "Molten steel" NIST on video says no one mentioned seeing molten steel and this is absolutely unreliable statement from them when there video online.

RJLee group described there was 6 percent/weight of Iron Microspheres found in the WTC dust that covered Manhattan . Debunkers on here are making excuses they can be created by others ways and that means the nanothermite theory nonsense Yes they can be made other ways.

The RJLee group specific here they appeared inside the buildings just prior to collapse of the buildings! There was a significant high temperature source that made them. This is where the nanothermite theory is believe.
Mix AI+ Iron Oxide and burn it Rich pure Iron Microspheres appear as a byproduct. Steel Microspheres is something different, It be blended with other elements. It not pure Iron Fe spheres. Iron FE spheres is a byproduct thermatic reaction.
There more I leaving out that would prove the controlled demolition theory, but these rare phenomenons are ignored by debunkers and they will again i am sure.

Almost every single word and sentance in this is completely dishonest and untrue.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 4:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay Cheerful, let's try to sum this all up..

1. The CIA worked with 2001 Al Qaeda (conspiracy justification: allegedly CIA worked with the Mujahideen in the 80's, ergo they were in bed with modern-day Al Qaeda)

2. 2001 Al Qaeda was a "proxy terrorist force" for the Saudi Arabia and Pakistan leadership (conspiracy justification: they're all Muslims)

3. The CIA knew of a plan to kill thousands of US civilians and were completely fine with it, in fact they supported and facilitated it (conspiracy justification: operation Northwoods in the 60's, and the ex-FBI head said the CIA were trying to infiltrate the team and then lost track of them which naturally means they were all plotting together)

I answer the rest later if I feel like it.

Not reassuring you don’t appear to know this. The CIA supplied the Afghan guerrillas with weapons to resist the Soviets in Afghanistan. Many of these CIA backed foreign fighters later Joined Al Qaeda in the early 90s- Bin Laden was a Saudi he was not born in Afghanistan- Bin laden family were one of the wealthiest clans in Saudi Arabia. Bin laden family and the Bush family are geopolitical associates and that never reversed.The Soviet Union collapses and swiftly a few years later, new bogeyman on the block is Al Qaeda. It very strange the group would turn on the US when its allies are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Al Qaeda is a proxy force ( like Hezbelloh is for Iran) Saudi Arabia, formed them with Pakistan help to do covert missions inside the Middle East and outside the Middle East. It absurd you think the CIA was not aware of this in the decade before 9/11. It does not pop in to your head ever at all the architects and financial sponsors of Al Qaeda have never got invaded or attacked by the United States! Fact is- the CIA and Saudi Arabia still support Al Qaeda today in Yemen and Syria.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia majority Sunni Muslim. It’s the reason Saudi Arabia and Pakistan sees Iran as a threat it’s Shia Muslim.

CIA lost track of them is a bull**** story. The 19 used their names on their visa application the whole time. How many Saudis would have the same names and background details at these guys? It not like they're looking for some White American males here, is it? You really that naïve that you believe a trillion dollar US intelligence service would be incapable and could not locate them in a few days? It not like they hide or anything.Taking flights lessons how you could miss them anyhow, they stood out!

The CIA dropping smarts bombs on innocent families in the middle east drones, and advanced weapons system, murdering people , killing however many people who died in the towers is an acceptable outcome for psychopaths. They care about money and power and influence- even American people when not a large number.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 5:18pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

4. Larry Silverstein, who was the lease-holder of many of the WTC buildings plotted with his insurance company to blow up at least one of the buildings: WTC 7 (conspiracy justification: he said "pull it" live on national television, which obviously meant blowing up his own buildings)

Larry Silverstein.
I will admit this not a strong case he knew what would happen. He does say pull it on video. Debunkers and truthers have debated back and forth what does he mean by pull it?
What debunkers ignore is he asserted on video a fire chief phoned him on the day, might have to pull down the building. This is Silverstein claim, never verified.
His spokesperson later reversed the original statement and said no, he meant pull firefighters from the building. This statement it not supported by the official evidence- no firefighters were inside the building in the afternoon- but they were nearby fighting fires near WTC5.

Could be a cause of misreport and the Spokeperson confusing events.
WTC7 collapse was announced 40 minutes before it happened. Debunkers of course ignore a girder slipping from its seat at column 79 could not be foretold ahead of time.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 5:23pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Not reassuring you don’t appear to know this. The CIA supplied the Afghan guerrillas with weapons to resist the Soviets in Afghanistan. Many of these CIA backed foreign fighters later Joined Al Qaeda in the early 90s- Bin Laden was a Saudi he was not born in Afghanistan- Bin laden family were one of the wealthiest clans in Saudi Arabia. Bin laden family and the Bush family are geopolitical associates and that never reversed.The Soviet Union collapses and swiftly a few years later, new bogeyman on the block is Al Qaeda. It very strange the group would turn on the US when its allies are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Nope. The CIA backed the Afghan Arab fighters in the 80's, there is no evidence that the US and/or the CIA funded or supported Bin Laden's Al Qaeda. But screw details, it's the CIA, they are in on the conspiracy

Al Qaeda is a proxy force ( like Hezbelloh is for Iran) Saudi Arabia, formed them with Pakistan help to do covert missions inside the Middle East and outside the Middle East. It absurd you think the CIA was not aware of this in the decade before 9/11. It does not pop in to your head ever at all the architects and financial sponsors of Al Qaeda have never got invaded or attacked by the United States! Fact is- the CIA and Saudi Arabia still support Al Qaeda today in Yemen and Syria.

Just nope

But hey, it sounds edgy enough, they are in on it

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia majority Sunni Muslim. It’s the reason Saudi Arabia and Pakistan sees Iran as a threat it’s Shia Muslim.

And that childlike appeal to motive is all you need, they're in on the conspiracy!

CIA lost track of them is a bull**** story.

Yeah the CIA is really powerful, they would never screw up and lose track of terrorists, we've all seen the movies. As for their nefarious massive plot..

"General, we've concocted a devilishly complex and risky plan to kill a ton of our countrymen, do you have any friends or family who live in NY York?

"No, I hate the place"

"Great! I'll call Rumsfeld, Cheney, the President, the Paki's, the Saudi Royals, the secret Nazis, our Al Qaeda guys, Larry, NORAD and everyone else and get this ball rolling!"

King Mob · 20-05-2020 5:29pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Larry Silverstein.
I will admit this not a strong case he knew what would happen. He does say pull it on video. Debunkers and truthers have debated back and forth what does he mean by pull it?
What debunkers ignore is he asserted on video a fire chief phoned him on the day, might have to pull down the building. This is Silverstein claim, never verified.
His spokesperson later reversed the original statement and said no, he meant pull firefighters from the building. This statement it not supported by the official evidence- no firefighters were inside the building in the afternoon- but they were nearby fighting fires near WTC5.

Could be a cause of misreport and the Spokeperson confusing events.
WTC7 collapse was announced 40 minutes before it happened. Debunkers of course ignore a girder slipping from its seat at column 79 could not be foretold ahead of time.

Lol, still with the pull it thing.
Hilarious.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 5:30pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And that childlike appeal to motive is all you need, they're in on the conspiracy!

Yeah the CIA is really powerful, they would never screw up and lose track of terrorists, we've all seen the movies. As for their nefarious massive plot..

"General, we've concocted a devilishly complex and risky plan to kill a ton of our countrymen, do you have any friends or family who live in NY York?

"No, I hate the place"

"Great! I'll call Rumsfeld, Cheney, the President, the Paki's, the Saudi Royals, the secret Nazis, our Al Qaeda guys, Larry, NORAD and everyone else and get this ball rolling!"

You have naïve mind, and its childlike.
Why would they allow Al Qaeda members to live in the US in the first place for two years?
Two of the guys of the Cell were linked to the USS Cole Bombing in Yemen.
Mihdhar (hijacker of the flight 77) was a planner of the cole bombing and yet US intelligence kept this information secret he had came to America.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 5:45pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You have naïve mind, and its childlike.

This is a "mirroring" technique you use regularly. When another poster points out that your views are e.g. child-like or simple

You start using those terms as labels to randomly throw at those posters.

Why would they allow Al Qaeda members to live in the US in the first place for two years?

Loads of terrorists and potential terrorists have been on "watch lists", which means they are suspects but they can't just be hauled in. We have legal systems where we typically can't just throw people in prisons for thought crimes. There has to be a case against them.

For part of their mandate Intelligence agencies try to infiltrate terrorist groups to a) get more info on them and b) find out what they are up to - as part of this process

Unfortunately these agencies don't have unlimited man-power and it isn't like the movies, suspects have managed to slip the net and pull off attacks. Quite a few of the European terrorists have already been on watch-lists or have been already known to authorities.

There are countless numbers of these suspects and people on these lists across the world.

Two of the guys of the Cell were linked to the USS Cole Bombing in Yemen.
Mihdhar (hijacker of the flight 77) was a planner and yet the US intelligence kept that information secret he came to America.

In your imaginary world, the CIA are superhuman and perfect, never make mistakes, never make administrational errors and can pull off flawless massive risky inside jobs without any leaks.

it's also abundantly clear that in this fantastical world of yours, the President of the US, and elected politicians, and national security agencies casually work with terrorists to plow planes into buildings killing thousands of Americans in perfect flawless secrecy..

It's the same way a child might view the world. Except that you just pad it up with extra nonsense you've scraped off conspiracy sites to make it sound more "rational"

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 5:47pm

Facts
Planning for the October attack was discussed at the Kuala Lumpur al-Qaeda Summit from 5 to 8 January, shortly after the failed attempt. Along with other plotters, the summit was attended by future 11 September hijacker Khalid al-Mihdhar, who then traveled to San Diego, California. On 10 June 2000, Mihdhar left San Diego to visit his wife in Yemen at a house also used as a communications hub for al-Qaeda.[16][17][18] After the bombing, Yemeni Prime Minister Abdul Karim al-Iryani reported that Mihdhar had been one of the key planners of the attack and had been in the country at the time of the attacks.[19] He later returned to the United States to participate in 9/11 hijack of American Airlines Flight 77, which flew into the Pentagon, killing 184 victims.

Khalid al-Mihdhar the CIA was tracking from the very beginning and nothing happened to stop him? Why not? Debunkers don't want to know.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 5:49pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Facts
Planning for the October attack was discussed at the Kuala Lumpur al-Qaeda Summit from 5 to 8 January, shortly after the failed attempt. Along with other plotters, the summit was attended by future 11 September hijacker Khalid al-Mihdhar, who then traveled to San Diego, California. On 10 June 2000, Mihdhar left San Diego to visit his wife in Yemen at a house also used as a communications hub for al-Qaeda.[16][17][18] After the bombing, Yemeni Prime Minister Abdul Karim al-Iryani reported that Mihdhar had been one of the key planners of the attack and had been in the country at the time of the attacks.[19] He later returned to the United States to participate in 9/11 hijack of American Airlines Flight 77, which flew into the Pentagon, killing 184 victims.

Khalid al-Mihdhar the CIA was tracking from the very beginning and nothing happened to stop him? Why not? Debunkers don't want to know.

This is diversionary whataboutery, followed by incredulous questions. It's an Alex Jones technique

If we ask you direct questions about your 13 (or is it 14) different 911 conspiracies, you can't answer any of those questions about them

In order to deflect from that you engage in this type of behavior

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 6:01pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is diversionary whataboutery, followed by incredulous questions. It's an Alex Jones technique

If we ask you direct questions about your 13 (or is it 14) different 911 conspiracies, you can't answer any of those questions about them

In order to deflect from that you engage in this type of behavior

It too complicated for your brain to see the problem here. The CIA allowed a high level Al Qaeda operative known to be involved in the planning and murder of American sailors in Yemen, travelled to the United States, then carried out an attack on 9/11. And the CIA had this knowledge for two years, and still this guy was able to carry out the event. It not suspicious for you they kept this information from the FBI either. How many CIA people have answered why they kept this information from the FBI? Not one CIA person has addressed this event since 9/11 and given reasons why he slipped through the net.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 6:08pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It too complicated for your brain to see the problem here.

That the CIA and secret Nazi's and the US president and Larry Silverstein and Rumsfeld and Pakistanis and Saudi's and a long list of people worked together to pull off 9/11..

Where is a summary of this theory I can read online, or is this version of history unique just to you?

If I imagine another plot using your "evidence" but I remove secret Nazi's from the equation is my sequence of events right or wrong?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 6:18pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Where is a summary of this theory I can read online, or is this version of history unique just to you?

CNN, MBSC and Fox News will not report the facts but the other sites will. This is real journalism below.

In an interview aired on Aug. 11 on a local PBS affiliate in Colorado, Clarke charges that Tenet and two other senior CIA officials, Cofer Black and Richard Blee, deliberately withheld information about two of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 — al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The two had entered the United States more than a year before the 9/11 attacks.

Clarke adds that the CIA then covered it all up by keeping relevant information away from Congress and the 9/11 Commission.

Lying by senior officials is bad enough, and there is now plenty of evidence that former CIA Director George Tenet and his closest agency associates are serial offenders. Think for a minute about the falsehoods spread regarding Iraq’s non-existent “weapons of mass destruction” stockpiles.

But withholding intelligence on two of the 9/11 hijackers would have been particularly unconscionable — the epitome of malfeasance, not just misfeasance. That’s why Richard Clarke’s conclusion that he should have received information from CIA about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, “unless somebody intervened to stop the normal automatic distribution” amounts, in my view, to a criminal charge, given the eventual role of the two in the hijacking on 9/11 of AA-77, the plane that struck the Pentagon.

fter a five-year investigation by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Chairman Jay Rockefeller described the intelligence adduced under Tenet to “justify” attacking Iraq as “uncorroborated, contradicted, and non-existent.”

Tenet has lied about 9/11, too. The joint statement from Tenet, Black and Blee – orchestrated by former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow – concludes: “We testified under oath about what we did, what we knew and what we didn’t know. We stand by that testimony.”

Almost made me laugh … almost.

In his sworn testimony to the 9/11 Commission on April 14, 2004, Tenet said he had not spoken to Bush — even on the telephone — during the entire month of August 2001.

But Tenet did fly down to see the President in Crawford — not once, but twice during August 2001, and briefed Bush again in Washington on the 31st.

After the TV cameras at the 9/11 Commission hearing were shut off, Bill Harlow phoned the commission staff to say, Oops, sorry, Tenet misspoke. Even then, Harlow admitted only to Tenet’s Aug. 17 visit to Crawford (and to the briefing on the 31st).

How do we know Tenet was again in Crawford, on Aug. 24? From a White House press release quoting President Bush to that effect — information somehow completely missed by our vigilant Fawning Corporate Media.

Funny, too, how Tenet could have forgotten his first visit to Crawford on Aug. 17. In his memoir, At the Center of the Storm, Tenet waxes eloquent about the “president graciously driving me around the spread in his pickup and me trying to make small talk about the flora and the fauna.” But the visit was not limited to small talk.

More here, 9/11 official story a laughable joke that the public like yourself believe.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2011/08/17/did-tenet-hide-key-info-911

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 6:21pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

CNN, MBSC and Fox News will not report the facts but the other sites will. This is real journalism below.

In an interview aired on Aug. 11 on a local PBS affiliate in Colorado, Clarke charges that Tenet and two other senior CIA officials, Cofer Black and Richard Blee, deliberately withheld information about two of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 — al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The two had entered the United States more than a year before the 9/11 attacks.

Clarke adds that the CIA then covered it all up by keeping relevant information away from Congress and the 9/11 Commission.

Lying by senior officials is bad enough, and there is now plenty of evidence that former CIA Director George Tenet and his closest agency associates are serial offenders. Think for a minute about the falsehoods spread regarding Iraq’s non-existent “weapons of mass destruction” stockpiles.

But withholding intelligence on two of the 9/11 hijackers would have been particularly unconscionable — the epitome of malfeasance, not just misfeasance. That’s why Richard Clarke’s conclusion that he should have received information from CIA about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, “unless somebody intervened to stop the normal automatic distribution” amounts, in my view, to a criminal charge, given the eventual role of the two in the hijacking on 9/11 of AA-77, the plane that struck the Pentagon.

fter a five-year investigation by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Chairman Jay Rockefeller described the intelligence adduced under Tenet to “justify” attacking Iraq as “uncorroborated, contradicted, and non-existent.”

Tenet has lied about 9/11, too. The joint statement from Tenet, Black and Blee – orchestrated by former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow – concludes: “We testified under oath about what we did, what we knew and what we didn’t know. We stand by that testimony.”

Almost made me laugh … almost.

In his sworn testimony to the 9/11 Commission on April 14, 2004, Tenet said he had not spoken to Bush — even on the telephone — during the entire month of August 2001.

But Tenet did fly down to see the President in Crawford — not once, but twice during August 2001, and briefed Bush again in Washington on the 31st.

After the TV cameras at the 9/11 Commission hearing were shut off, Bill Harlow phoned the commission staff to say, Oops, sorry, Tenet misspoke. Even then, Harlow admitted only to Tenet’s Aug. 17 visit to Crawford (and to the briefing on the 31st).

How do we know Tenet was again in Crawford, on Aug. 24? From a White House press release quoting President Bush to that effect — information somehow completely missed by our vigilant Fawning Corporate Media.

Funny, too, how Tenet could have forgotten his first visit to Crawford on Aug. 17. In his memoir, At the Center of the Storm, Tenet waxes eloquent about the “president graciously driving me around the spread in his pickup and me trying to make small talk about the flora and the fauna.” But the visit was not limited to small talk.

More here but the 9/11 a laughable joke that the public llke yourself believe.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2011/08/17/did-tenet-hide-key-info-911

It's a blog site that doesn't mention your theory

To ask again..

This theory of yours, is there a summary of it I can read online, or is this version of history unique just to you?

and

If I imagine another plot using your "evidence" but I remove secret Nazi's from the equation is my sequence of events right or wrong?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 6:23pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's a blog site that doesn't mention your theory

To ask again..

This theory of yours, is there a summary of it I can read online, or is this version of history unique just to you?

and

If I imagine another plot using your "evidence" but I remove secret Nazi's from the equation is my sequence of events right or wrong?

Too complicated for your brain to see the issues here.
But withholding intelligence on two of the 9/11 hijackers would have been particularly unconscionable — the epitome of malfeasance, not just misfeasance. That’s why Richard Clarke’s conclusion that he should have received information from CIA about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, “unless somebody intervened to stop the normal automatic distribution” amounts, in my view, to a criminal charge, given the eventual role of the two in the hijacking on 9/11 of AA-77, the plane that struck the Pentagon.

King Mob · 20-05-2020 6:30pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Too complicated for your brain to see the issues here.
But withholding intelligence on two of the 9/11 hijackers would have been particularly unconscionable — the epitome of malfeasance, not just misfeasance. That’s why Richard Clarke’s conclusion that he should have received information from CIA about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, “unless somebody intervened to stop the normal automatic distribution” amounts, in my view, to a criminal charge, given the eventual role of the two in the hijacking on 9/11 of AA-77, the plane that struck the Pentagon.

Lol. It's always very easy to see when you're stealing things from other people.
Your spelling, grammar vocabulary suddenly improves drastically.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 6:30pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Too complicated for your brain to see the issues here.
But withholding intelligence on two of the 9/11 hijackers would have been particularly unconscionable — the epitome of malfeasance, not just misfeasance. That’s why Richard Clarke’s conclusion that he should have received information from CIA about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, “unless somebody intervened to stop the normal automatic distribution” amounts, in my view, to a criminal charge, given the eventual role of the two in the hijacking on 9/11 of AA-77, the plane that struck the Pentagon.

Does Richard Clarke think 9/11 was an inside job? if yes, your inside job or another one?

And the other questions as a reminder

This theory of yours, is there a summary of it I can read online, or is this version of history unique just to you?

and

If I imagine another plot using your "evidence" but I remove secret Nazi's from the equation is my sequence of events right or wrong?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 6:37pm

King Mob wrote: »

Lol. It's always very easy to see when you're stealing things from other people.
Your spelling, grammar vocabulary suddenly improves drastically.

It not stealing whatever that means in your head. I posted the link with the information. Rest of the posts today are my own words.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 6:40pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Does Richard Clarke think 9/11 was an inside job? if yes, your inside job or another one?

He said there was a coverup on video. You don't listen good or did not watch the video i posted.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 6:45pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

He said there was a coverup on video. You don't listen good or did not watch the video i posted.

Why do you keep stating X happened as a fact, but when someone asks you, you just immediately start diverting and pasting blogs

It's pretty simple..

This theory of yours, is there a summary of it I can read online, or is this version of history unique just to you?

and

If I imagine another plot using your "evidence" but I remove secret Nazi's from the equation is my sequence of events right or wrong?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 6:58pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Why do you keep stating X happened as a fact, but when someone asks you, you just immediately start diverting and pasting blogs

It's pretty simple..

This theory of yours, is there a summary of it I can read online, or is this version of history unique just to you?

and

If I imagine another plot using your "evidence" but I remove secret Nazi's from the equation is my sequence of events right or wrong?

Information (below in black) , is something you just ignore continually and tiresome as this stage. You don't want the facts. You prefer to believe your own silly theories about 9/11. I left you off.

This is evidence of a cover up inside the CIA
In an interview aired on Aug. 11 on a local PBS affiliate in Colorado, Clarke charges that Tenet and two other senior CIA officials, Cofer Black and Richard Blee, deliberately withheld information about two of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 — al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The two had entered the United States more than a year before the 9/11 attacks.

Another verifiable fact you ignored.
A. B. Krongard- Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency bought 95 percent of the Put options for United Airlines on 6th September 2001. He was left off because he had no ties to Al Qaeda, it funny stuff, but this is how the machine works in reality and nobody thought he had advanced knowledge of the attacks, really? The naivety of some people.

King Mob · 20-05-2020 7:05pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Information (below in black) , is something you just ignore continually and tiresome as this stage. You don't want the facts. You prefer to believe your own silly theories about 9/11. I left you off.

This is evidence of a cover up inside the CIA
In an interview aired on Aug. 11 on a local PBS affiliate in Colorado, Clarke charges that Tenet and two other senior CIA officials, Cofer Black and Richard Blee, deliberately withheld information about two of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 — al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The two had entered the United States more than a year before the 9/11 attacks.

Another verifiable fact you ignored.
A. B. Krongard- Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency bought 95 percent of the Put options on 6th September 2001. He was left off because he had no ties to Al Qaeda, it funny stuff, but this is how the machine works in reality.

Cheerful, does the person you are quoting as a source believe your theory?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 7:09pm

King Mob wrote: »

Cheerful, does the person you are quoting as a source believe your theory?

Do you believe Clarke right there was a coverup by the CIA? How does that change the narrative then? You guys believe the official story correct 100 percent see how it works

King Mob · 20-05-2020 7:17pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Do you believe Clarke right there was a coverup by the CIA? How does that change the narrative then? You guys believe the official story correct 100 percent see how it works

Lol question dodged.

He doesn't agree with you. You misrepresent him by claiming that his words support your theory.
That's very dishonest.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 7:19pm

King Mob wrote: »

Lol question dodged.

He doesn't agree with you. You misrepresent him by claiming that his words support your theory.
That's very dishonest.

Richard Clarke not some low level white house staffer here.

Richard Alan Clarke[1] (born October 27, 1950) is an American former government official. He was National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism for the United States between 1998 and 2003.

Clarke worked for the State Department during the presidency of Ronald Reagan.[2] In 1992, President George H.W. Bush appointed him to chair the Counter-terrorism Security Group and to a seat on the United States National Security Council. President Bill Clinton retained Clarke and in 1998 promoted him to be the National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism, the chief counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council. Under President George W. Bush, Clarke initially continued in the same position but no longer had Cabinet-level access. He later was appointed as the Special Advisor to the President on cybersecurity. Clarke left the Bush administration in 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Clarke

King Mob · 20-05-2020 7:21pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Richard Clarke not some low level white house staffer here.

Yes. And he doesn't believe your silly theory.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 7:38pm

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. And he doesn't believe your silly theory.

Your post is opinion, i think the official theory is silly

Look he said the CIA covered up the 9/11 hijacker’s movements and arrival in the United States for two years. Clarke admits on videotape his friends in the CIA kept secrets from him. To this today he still doesn’t understand why! He even claimed the CIA removed intelligence files from their system and, stopped him from seeing this at the White House. This is strange behaviour. when he was the chief advisor to Bush on matters dealing with terrorism around the world. He is in the dark like everyone else is to why they protected the 9/11 hijackers.

I not sure his aware of the 9/11 movement demolition allegations here, never seen him talk about it online.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 7:43pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Information

You keep deflecting and avoiding the questions

I'll make it even simpler

This 9/11 theory of yours, does anyone else in the world have this specific theory besides you?

And this theory of yours, is it your opinion or is it a fact?

This is important, so read carefully. If someone claims that 9/11 was an inside job conducted only by the Masons, and another person claims it was an inside job conducted only by Jews. Those are two completely separate sequences of events. Both of them happening is impossible

Even if it turns out the Jews and the Masons pulled off 9/11 as an inside job, that would mean both of those people are completely wrong.

Do you understand this concept?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 7:47pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You keep deflecting and avoiding the questions

I'll make it even simpler

This 9/11 theory of yours, does anyone else in the world have this specific theory besides you?

And this theory of yours, is it your opinion or is it a fact?

This is important, so read carefully. If someone claims that 9/11 was an inside job conducted only by the Masons, and another person claims it was an inside job conducted only by Jews. Those are two completely separate sequences of events. Both of them happening is impossible

Even if it turns out the Jews and the Masons pulled off 9/11 as an inside job, that would mean both of those people are completely wrong.

Do you understand this concept?

Irrelevent nonsense. I explained already why i believe there was a demolitions on 9/11.

I recognize the CIA had advanced knowledge (they had the intelligence) and had the capabilities to do it and had access to advanced military materials and they are most likely the culprits?

Even mainstream steel studies( not truther studies) report significant and rare unseen phenomenons occurred here on 9/11. The Fires in buildings have similar properties and heat and air temperatures, don’t change unless there something else fuelling the fire to make it hotter.

This was also the first time in history a high rise of steel framed columns
had collapsed due to fire. Never happened prior to 9/11 or after 9/11. On 9/11 three buildings came down- steel framed high rises. WTC7 was not hit by a large plane.

FEMA in 2002 indicated a rare event occurred where some of the steel melting inside the towers and at WTC7. FEMA had never encountered this before in other building fires. NIST of course denied any Steel melted in their paper, and this not true statement, when other studies dispute that.

New York firefighters, search and digger crews, and helpers all mentioned on video there was this red/hot liquid streaming down the channel rails of the steel. They asserted it was "Molten steel" NIST on video says no one mentioned seeing molten steel and this is absolutely unreliable statement from them when there video online.

RJLee group described there was 6 percent/weight of Iron Microspheres found in the WTC dust that covered Manhattan . Debunkers on here are making excuses they can be created by others ways and that means the nanothermite theory nonsense Yes they can be made other ways.

The RJLee group specific here they appeared inside the buildings just prior to collapse of the buildings! There was a significant high temperature source that made them. This is where the nanothermite theory is believe.
Mix AI+ Iron Oxide and burn it Rich pure Iron Microspheres appear as a byproduct. Steel Microspheres is something different, It be blended with other elements. It not pure Iron Fe spheres. Iron FE spheres is a byproduct thermatic reaction.
There more I leaving out that would prove the controlled demolition theory, but these rare phenomenons are ignored by debunkers and they will again i am sure.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 7:53pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Irrelevent nonsense. I explained already why i believe there was a demolitions on 9/11.

You avoided the straightforward questions again and again deflected

Is your theory, the one with the secret Nazi's, Larry Silverstein and all that, does that exact theory exist anywhere outside of your imagination?

Why aren't people allowed to ask direct questions about this theory of yours?

if it's some half-baked opinion you've made up in your head, just be honest with people here. But you keep stating it like it's a fact, which is a bit scary.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 8:22pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You avoided the straightforward questions again and again deflected

Is your theory, the one with the secret Nazi's, Larry Silverstein and all that, does that exact theory exist anywhere outside of your imagination?

Why aren't people allowed to ask direct questions about this theory of yours?

if it's some half-baked opinion you've made up in your head, just be honest with people here. But you keep stating it like it's a fact, which is a bit scary.

I started to answer your long list of questions, then you posted again. I only have two hands. There is eight or so debunkers on this site posting away and hard to keep up sometimes. Now i can't be arsed to reply to the rest. You back now demanding info and do this and that. If you waited you may have got the replies.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 9:50pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I started to answer your long list of questions, then you posted again. I only have two hands. There is eight or so debunkers on this site posting away and hard to keep up sometimes. Now i can't be arsed to reply to the rest. You back now demanding info and do this and that. If you waited you may have got the replies.

What a crock of absolute nonsense

It takes a few seconds to reply, you write pages and pages of deflections for simple yes or no answers

Is your secret Nazi's 9/11 theory your opinion or is it fact?

If your theory unique to you or is there any other source for it?

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 9:50pm

Every time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyqnu6ywhR4

King Mob · 21-05-2020 12:37am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Your post is opinion, i think the official theory is silly

Look he said the CIA covered up the 9/11 hijacker’s movements and arrival in the United States for two years. Clarke admits on videotape his friends in the CIA kept secrets from him. To this today he still doesn’t understand why! He even claimed the CIA removed intelligence files from their system and, stopped him from seeing this at the White House. This is strange behaviour. when he was the chief advisor to Bush on matters dealing with terrorism around the world. He is in the dark like everyone else is to why they protected the 9/11 hijackers.

I not sure his aware of the 9/11 movement demolition allegations here, never seen him talk about it online.

Again, he doesn't believe your theory.

Cheerful Spring2 · 21-05-2020 12:58pm

King Mob wrote: »

Again, he doesn't believe your theory.

Al-Qaeda operatives allowed to roam free inside America is not at all suspicious

The disconnect from reality is frightening and scary.

We have the CIA deliberately hiding info from other law enforcement agencies and the world accepts this?

With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

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