Norwegian air

Rawr · 09-11-2020 2:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't turboprop be just as much for mountains and difficult approach as for short runway when talking about Scandinavia.

All true, especially out on the coast. Few of the regional airports are 737-friendly.

Locker10a · 09-11-2020 2:57pm

Rawr wrote: »

Makes me wonder if this would trigger a proper return of Ryanair to Norway to capitalize on that. They've had a handful of routes out of OSL ever since they closed their base at RYG in protest to the environmental surcharges that Norway introduced.

In the years since, Ryanair has been operating their routes, but their marketing presence compared to before RYG's closure is practically non-existent. You'll only start to realize that Ryanair still flew to Norway by spotting them on a visit to OSL.

With Norwegian on the rock apparently, maybe Ryanair will think it worth their while to fill any possible vacuum...assuming the world has returned to some normality.

This is exactly what Wizz air are doing in Norway at the moment!

Rawr · 10-11-2020 9:57am

Locker10a wrote: »

This is exactly what Wizz air are doing in Norway at the moment!

Saw that in the local press here in Norway this morning.
Apparently Norwegian are now in a price-war with Wizz and selling every single ticket at a loss :O

HTCOne · 11-11-2020 12:29am

Rawr wrote: »

Saw that in the local press here in Norway this morning.
Apparently Norwegian are now in a price-war with Wizz and selling every single ticket at a loss :O

In fairness Norwegian have been selling every ticket at a loss for years!

artanevilla · 12-11-2020 9:44pm

I don't think Norweigen have ever sold a ticket at a profit.

Locker10a · 12-11-2020 11:38pm

artanevilla wrote: »

I don't think Norweigen have ever sold a ticket at a profit.

Their original short haul euro routes were, they expanded too much and the low cost long haul was a flop

goingnowhere · 13-11-2020 8:19am

All those 787's need a new home, if Ryanair was ever going to make a go of it now is the time.

jucylucy · 13-11-2020 9:57am

I believe one of their B787s is due in Dublin for a repaint today.....

HTCOne · 13-11-2020 10:11am

Norwegian's majority shareholders are now the lessors who they owed so much money to, so in a weird way the people who own the airline also own the fleet. Would be curious how things will end up, there's no shortage of new aircraft that haven't been taken up by their new owner due bankruptcy, or deferral. Just finding a home for these nearly new aircraft might not be so easy if traffic doesn't recover for 4-5 years as predicted. Then there's the fuel cost issue, if the price of fuel remains so low (again as expected) it might be cheaper for airlines to haul their already paid for or cheaper to finance 767s/777s/A330s out of storage and keep flogging them. Time will tell.

Valhallapt · 13-11-2020 10:17am

Having flown with them many times over the last 5 years, I have never been on a flight more than 50% full. If Ryanair were going to pick off some of their routes what would they take?

Locker10a · 13-11-2020 12:32pm

jucylucy wrote: »

I believe one of their B787s is due in Dublin for a repaint today.....

LN-LNX due in around midday

EchoIndia · 13-11-2020 2:55pm

To be painted for Neos.

Rawr · 18-11-2020 3:24pm

Spotted this on the way to work here in Oslo.

The advert mostly brags about their carbon footprint and doesn't really mention prices, but this the first time I've seen Wizz advertise domestic routes in Norway.
If they pull this off, it doesn't bode well for Norwegian

Locker10a · 18-11-2020 3:34pm

Rawr wrote: »

Spotted this on the way to work here in Oslo.

The advert mostly brags about their carbon footprint and doesn't really mention prices, but this the first time I've seen Wizz advertise domestic routes in Norway.
If they pull this off, it doesn't bode well for Norwegian

https://newsweb.oslobors.no/message/518357

Trading of stock suspended apparently whatever that means !?

Rawr · 18-11-2020 3:43pm

Locker10a wrote: »

https://newsweb.oslobors.no/message/518357

Trading of stock suspended apparently whatever that means !?

Local press here in Norway are talking about it. Something about Norwegian asking for a trade suspension due to unusual activity with their stocks. Don't really know what that means myself...

Jack1985 · 18-11-2020 5:02pm

Examinership for Norwegian Air International Limited (NAI) at Dublin.

Norwegian announced that the airline has entered an examinership process in Ireland relating Norwegian Air International Limited (NAI), its wholly-owned asset company Arctic Aviation Assets DAC (AAA) and some of AAA’s subsidiaries.

"Norwegian has chosen an Irish process since its aircraft assets are held in Ireland," argued the airline in an announcement on the Oslo Stock Exchange.

The examinership process in Ireland is the equivalent of Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings in the United States, where the company continues to operate yet is protected from its creditors for the next 100 days. Norwegian believes it has enough cash to outlast the 100 days.

"It is important to note that due to the Covid situation, several transportation companies have initiated variations of such examinership processes with a positive outcome for customers, employees, shareholders and other stakeholders. Norwegian is therefore confident that it too will successfully emerge as a stronger and leaner airline ready to meet renewed airline travel demand in 2021 after the Covid pandemic subsides," read a statement by the airline.

VivaLasBegas · 18-11-2020 5:03pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Examinership for Norwegian Air International Limited (NAI) at Dublin.

Yep.

https://www.reuters.com/article/norwegianair-debt/update-1-norwegian-air-seeks-bankruptcy-protection-under-irish-law-idUSL8N2I456J

Locker10a · 06-01-2021 6:51pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/norwegian-air-begins-cutting-its-fleet-ahead-of-restructuring-1.4450975

Flightradar24 only shows one aircraft having gone to Shannon so far though

BZ · 06-01-2021 7:17pm

Locker10a wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/norwegian-air-begins-cutting-its-fleet-ahead-of-restructuring-1.4450975

Flightradar24 only shows one aircraft having gone to Shannon so far though

6 of their 787s sitting on the ground in SNN at the moment.

goingnowhere · 06-01-2021 7:52pm

2 737MAX in Dublin

Locker10a · 06-01-2021 7:59pm

BZ wrote: »

6 of their 787s sitting on the ground in SNN at the moment.

Thanks, only 2 showed up for me

Locker10a · 06-01-2021 7:59pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

2 737MAX in Dublin

Haven’t they been there long term ? Since the grounding ?

mikel97 · 06-01-2021 8:15pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

2 737MAX in Dublin

Belong to Norwegian Air Sweden, separate entity.

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 12:25pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Haven’t they been there long term ? Since the grounding ?

Probably get sent back to the leasing company at this stage...

At this stage i'd say those 2 aircraft will have spent 2+ years on the ground.. not good for any aircraft...

LiamaDelta · 07-01-2021 12:51pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Probably get sent back to the leasing company at this stage...

At this stage i'd say those 2 aircraft will have spent 2+ years on the ground.. not good for any aircraft...

would they be connected to any power source or have any sort of internal power to remove moisture out of the air and prevent mould etc. via a heater or dehumidifier?

IngazZagni · 07-01-2021 1:33pm

LiamaDelta wrote: »

would they be connected to any power source or have any sort of internal power to remove moisture out of the air and prevent mould etc. via a heater or dehumidifier?

I'm pretty sure engineers give it a good check every week including an engine run.

mr.anonymous · 07-01-2021 1:50pm

I'd wonder if the Irish AOC will be a casualty of the cutbacks

Tenger · 07-01-2021 3:00pm

LiamaDelta wrote: »

would they be connected to any power source or have any sort of internal power to remove moisture out of the air and prevent mould etc. via a heater or dehumidifier?

they are in long term storage which has regular maintainance procedures to be followed. I’ve think that they move position every now and then. I assume this is part of these procedures, relieve pressure on the tyres?

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 4:46pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

I'm pretty sure engineers give it a good check every week including an engine run.

Didn't know Norwegian had engineers in Ireland?

Unless they're flying them over each week from Oslo to do general maintenance?

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 4:47pm

LiamaDelta wrote: »

would they be connected to any power source or have any sort of internal power to remove moisture out of the air and prevent mould etc. via a heater or dehumidifier?

Definitely not, unless Norwegian are sending over maintenance guys and renting ground power units from the DAA....

goingnowhere · 07-01-2021 4:53pm

Or they contract Dublin Aerospace, EI, FR etc to provide engineering support

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 5:10pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Or they contract Dublin Aerospace, EI, FR etc to provide engineering support

Possibly, though I thought Aer lingus were an Airbus only shop, and Ryanair would only service their own NG's... though maybe with Ryanair's big Max order they'll start to train the engineers for the Max update..
Dublin Aerospace, thought they only did heavy maintenance and didn't have 737 engineers?

mr.anonymous · 07-01-2021 5:11pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Didn't know Norwegian had engineers in Ireland?

Unless they're flying them over each week from Oslo to do general maintenance?

Boeing provides maintenance support in Dublin for them afaik

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 5:17pm

mr.anonymous wrote: »

Boeing provides maintenance support in Dublin for them afaik

I like to keep up on Aviation news and looking at this article it seems both companies don't have a business relationship?

https://simpleflying.com/boeing-norwegian-737-max-lawsuit/

mr.anonymous · 07-01-2021 6:34pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I like to keep up on Aviation news and looking at this article it seems both companies don't have a business relationship?

https://simpleflying.com/boeing-norwegian-737-max-lawsuit/

That's only about the Max not being as promised. Routine maintenance of the parked aircraft is provided by Boeing engineers.

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 7:13pm

mr.anonymous wrote: »

That's only about the Max not being as promised. Routine maintenance of the parked aircraft is provided by Boeing engineers.

I would hope the Max is being serviced by Boeing engineers, but they must be Norwegian employees or maybe even D.A as someone posted here earlier..

billy few mates · 07-01-2021 10:26pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Definitely not, unless Norwegian are sending over maintenance guys and renting ground power units from the DAA....

You need two GPUs to power up a B787 on the ground, those things can cost anything up to €300 - €400 an hour to rent in some places, there's quite a bit of work involved in keeping a 787 in storage, it would be a lot cheaper to power it from the APU when you need to do anything to it.
The workload varies depending on the particular storage program they're in (long term, short term/flight ready etc) but for the flight ready storage you have to power them up every three days at a minimum to keep the batteries charged or they can lock themselves out meaning they have to be replaced at a cost of about €80k each.

PinOnTheRight · 07-01-2021 10:30pm

There are at least 4 787s parked up in Prestwick that occasionally ping up on FR24 every so often. At least one was ferried direct from Seattle last year and has never entered service. Another landed into Prestwick on 2nd July 2019 and hasn't been airborne since. :eek:

lintdrummer · 07-01-2021 10:35pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I would hope the Max is being serviced by Boeing engineers, but they must be Norwegian employees or maybe even D.A as someone posted here earlier..

Boeing have an engineering support service that their airline customers can sign up for. There are Boeing engineers based at DUB. I don't know if Norwegian are availing of that service but I would guess that they are.
To answer the earlier question: any aircraft that is in storage must undergo some routine maintenance, they aren't just left parked up to go mouldy. If they are being stored long term they go through a lot of preparation for storage, tasks that protect the aircraft from the weather and lack of use. At intervals determined by the manufacturer certain tasks are completed to maintain the aircraft (eg. turning the wheels to prevent flat spots on the tyres.

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 10:43pm

lintdrummer wrote: »

Boeing have an engineering support service that their airline customers can sign up for. There are Boeing engineers based at DUB. I don't know if Norwegian are availing of that service but I would guess that they are..

Like in my previous post, if Norwegian are suing Boeing then I'd say that Dublin Aerospace or Norwegian themselves are sending over engineers to keep up the maintenance on the 2 planes..

Locker10a · 07-01-2021 11:13pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Like in my previous post, if Norwegian are suing Boeing then I'd say that Dublin Aerospace or Norwegian themselves are sending over engineers to keep up the maintenance on the 2 planes..

Why!? Why would that be the case ! Boeing are a HUGE multinational company, why do you think a handful of employees in Ireland would give a thought or a toss what some legal department in Chicago are doing in the same company. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are low level Boeing employees who don’t even know there’s any legal challenge involving Norwegian.
I’d imagine the engineering department in Ireland and the lawyers in Chicago are run completely independently of each other... I could be wrong

Tenzor07 · 07-01-2021 11:25pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Why!? Why would that be the case ! Boeing are a HUGE multinational company, why do you think a handful of employees in Ireland would give a thought or a toss what some legal department in Chicago are doing in the same company. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are low level Boeing employees who don’t even know there’s any legal challenge involving Norwegian.
I’d imagine the engineering department in Ireland and the lawyers in Chicago are run completely independently of each other... I could be wrong

Probably because of this yea?

https://www.aviationpros.com/airlines/news/21144217/budget-carrier-norwegian-air-cancels-orders-for-97-boeing-planes

Norwegian on Monday issued a notice to the Boeing Company of termination of its purchase agreements for five Boeing 787 aircraft and 92 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, as well as GoldCare service agreements related to the 787 and MAX aircraft.

basill · 07-01-2021 11:40pm

Check the date on that article. That is a lifetime in aviation. Also nobody here will know the intricacies of the maintenance agreements of the aircraft at Dublin airport and who is cutting the cheque each month.

billy few mates · 07-01-2021 11:58pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Like in my previous post, if Norwegian are suing Boeing then I'd say that Dublin Aerospace or Norwegian themselves are sending over engineers to keep up the maintenance on the 2 planes..

Dublin Aerospace don't have B787 approval so they can't look after these aircraft at all. As far as I'm aware Norwegian have the CAMO here in Ireland so it's possible some of the people from there would be looking after the aircraft while they're in storage but I think they did also have the Boeing Gold Care maintenance support package so Boeing could be looking after them otherwise I don't know any other organisation in Ireland with B787 approval.
It's also possible that the leasing companies that own the aircraft are stumping up for the storage costs (which can be quite expensive) because they all have to be properly documented and certified otherwise they could be facing extremely expensive maintenance checks to satisfy the airworthiness authorities when they do try to bring them back into service or to take them out of storage if they need to position them somewhere else. There's actually quite a lot involved in keeping them airworthy when they're not flying.

Tenzor07 · 08-01-2021 12:14am

billy few mates wrote: »

Dublin Aerospace don't have B787 approval so they can't look after these aircraft at all. As far as I'm aware Norwegian have the CAMO here in Ireland so it's possible some of the people from there would be looking after the aircraft while they're in storage but I think they did also have the Boeing Gold Care maintenance support package so Boeing could be looking after them otherwise I don't know any other organisation in Ireland with B787 approval.
It's also possible that the leasing companies that own the aircraft are stumping up for the storage costs (which can be quite expensive) because they all have to be properly documented and certified otherwise they could be facing extremely expensive maintenance checks to satisfy the airworthiness authorities when they do try to bring them back into service or to take them out of storage if they need to position them somewhere else. There's actually quite a lot involved in keeping them airworthy when they're not flying.

Why dya keep talking about the 787 when it's the Max in Dublin only?

Hotblack Desiato · 08-01-2021 12:19am

The phrasing to me indicates that the terminated maintenance agreements apply to the cancelled orders. You wouldn't pay for the servicing package if you pulled out of the deal to buy a car. And just because they're suing each other (or threatening to) over issues with one particular contract doesn't mean they won't continue to do business with each other in relation to other contracts - in fact unless either party has grounds to terminate the other contracts, they can't.

billy few mates · 08-01-2021 12:50am

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why dya keep talking about the 787 when it's the Max in Dublin only?

Apologies, I thought this thread was for discussing Norwegian aircraft not just the max, I was replying to some comments on the previous page where someone mentioned Norwegian B787s in storage in SNN.
I'll get my coat...

Tenzor07 · 08-01-2021 12:15pm

billy few mates wrote: »

Apologies, I thought this thread was for discussing Norwegian aircraft not just the max, I was replying to some comments on the previous page where someone mentioned Norwegian B787s in storage in SNN.
I'll get my coat...

No harm, I read that the Norwegian 787's are in Shannon to be handed back to the lessors?
So I guess the likes of Aercap would have a contract with a maintenance company to look after their assets globally like SR Technics or suchlike...

Locker10a · 08-01-2021 3:17pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why dya keep talking about the 787 when it's the Max in Dublin only?

Are there also 2 737 NG in Dublin too? Parked by hanger 5?! Only caught a glimpse of them in passing but was sure they were NG

jucylucy · 08-01-2021 8:31pm

Boeing let all their engineers in Dublin go recently...the Max aircraft are looked after by an independent provider now.
The NGs by the hangar are being delivered to Transavia shortly.....

Norwegian air

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