Speeding Q&A superthread

Killinator · 06-08-2020 1:31pm

Carpentry wrote: »

you definitely cant, same with your every post.

What do you want.
He wasn't there to see which 'hair dryer's was in use.
There are the old ones which require you to be pulled over (intercept) and the newer ones which take photos with the reg and this like a gosafe do not require you to be pulled over (non-intercept), neither of which require a tripod.

It'll depend on what speed he was doing over the limit at the time, maybe that information would help

Your friend will find out in a couple a days/weeks.
With the information at hand nobody here could have given you any more useful information than you got in your first response.

Carpentry · 06-08-2020 1:35pm

Killinator wrote: »

What do you want.
He wasn't there to see which 'hair dryer's was in use.
There are the old ones which require you to be pulled over (intercept) and the newer ones which take photos with the reg and this like a gosafe do not require you to be pulled over (non-intercept), neither of which require a tripod.

It'll depend on what speed he was doing over the limit at the time, maybe that information would help

Your friend will find out in a couple a days/weeks.
With the information at hand nobody here could have given you any more useful information than you got in your first response.

Now that's a proper answer, Thank You !

As for the speed, limit was 120 km/h on M3, he was doing about 160-180 km/h

It wasn't myself so I don't have all the info in hand.

Your post was helpful, the other fella was only being smart, it not the first time he is getting smart with people asking for help. That's why I have pointed it out.

Killinator · 06-08-2020 2:10pm

Carpentry wrote: »

Now that's a proper answer, Thank You !

As for the speed, limit was 120 km/h on M3, he was doing about 160-180 km/h

It wasn't myself so I don't have all the info in hand.

Your post was helpful, the other fella was only being smart, it not the first time he is getting smart with people asking for help. That's why I have pointed it out.

If he was doing 160/180 he can assume he'll be getting a letter in the post.
If it was an old speed gun they'd have gone after him and stopped him at that speed so can only assume it was a new one and there was no need to pull him.

There's a big difference between doing 160kmph and 180kmph but if he was on the higher end he's lucky he wasn't stopped and arrested for dangerous driving. A quick look at the Garda traffic Twitter feed would show precedent for this speed resulting in a court date.

The only alternative and I've had it happen, your friend gets lucky and the Garda was using an old gun and couldn't get the laser tracked to the car but even then that speeding would be visible and likely result in getting pulled over.

Isambard · 06-08-2020 2:37pm

Carpentry wrote: »

Now that's a proper answer, Thank You !

As for the speed, limit was 120 km/h on M3, he was doing about 160-180 km/h

It wasn't myself so I don't have all the info in hand.

Your post was helpful, the other fella was only being smart, it not the first time he is getting smart with people asking for help. That's why I have pointed it out.

total rubbish, it's exactly what I said. Depending on the equipment being used he will either get a ticket or he won't .

whizbang · 06-09-2020 1:27am

Can be up to 2 months before issue, so dont count finding out soon.

Pops_20 · 21-09-2020 10:39am

A friend of mine thinks he was caught by a GoSafe van last night. He was accelerating in a 60 km/h zone that leads to a 100 km/h zone and got to about 80 km/h before seeing the van and hitting the brakes. He reckons he was about 50 metres from the van when he saw it, and there was another car in the inside lane between him and the van. There was no flash from the back of the van.

What sort of distance do you need to be from the van to be caught? And how quickly do the fines get sent out?

acdublin · 24-09-2020 10:39am

Just got a 3 points for doing 109kmph on the M50. I feel hard done by! I know I was over the limit but 9% over on a Motorway and 3 points feels excessively harsh. It was a dry day. Any point appealing?

Pops_20 · 24-09-2020 1:05pm

acdublin wrote: »

Just got a 3 points for doing 109kmph on the M50. I feel hard done by! I know I was over the limit but 9% over on a Motorway and 3 points feels excessively harsh. It was a dry day. Any point appealing?

I'm not sure about appealing, but can I ask, how long did it take the letter to arrive?

acdublin · 24-09-2020 1:06pm

Pops_20 wrote: »

I'm not sure about appealing, but can I ask, how long did it take the letter to arrive?

About a week or so

rachaelf750 · 24-09-2020 1:45pm

Same here, 129km on a motorway with at 120km speed limit.
I just accepted them, I didn't see the point in appealing, speeding is speeding. I now use the speed limiter button in the car.

Samuel T. Cogley · 24-09-2020 5:04pm

acdublin wrote: »

Any point appealing?

You'd need grounds to appeal, and proof of those grounds, which are laid out in the notice.

https://www.garda.ie/en/Roads-Policing/Fixed-Charge-Notices/Cancelling-Fixed-Charge-Notices.html

Dr_Colossus · 06-10-2020 12:07pm

acdublin wrote: »

Just got a 3 points for doing 109kmph on the M50. I feel hard done by! I know I was over the limit but 9% over on a Motorway and 3 points feels excessively harsh. It was a dry day. Any point appealing?

rachaelf750 wrote: »

Same here, 129km on a motorway with at 120km speed limit.
I just accepted them, I didn't see the point in appealing, speeding is speeding. I now use the speed limiter button in the car.

Similar enough, got caught doing 89 on a dry afternoon between Enfield and Kilcock that's now 80 but used to be 100 prior to the M4 toll. Ridiculous limit on that stretch of road all in an attempt to "encourage" hard pressed driver pay the toll but more annoyed with the 3 points than the fine when such crazy things as "Driving a vehicle on a motorway against the flow of traffic" only gets 2 points or "Driving on a footpath" only 1 point.

First ticket in over 10 years of driving and disappointed that in 2020 the process can't be completed online. Can only pay non-penalty point FCNs online and still need to post the Declaration form to Co. Clare. Guess the €80 fine isn't enough and a €1 stamp is also part and parcel along with the manual input required in receiving and processing the physical form once received.

Aston martin · 17-10-2020 12:04am

Not sure why the GoSafe van cameras tread closed
.
Bladespin

"It is an independent calibration, they wouldn't be UKAS accredited if they were taking shortcuts like that - you would not get away with it even once.
Many companies own calibration labs that operate independently from the parent company."

its a Fact : AGD radars do calbratation on Redflex box in the back of the GO SSAFE VAN which contains AGD radars.

AGD calibrate their own radars which is not independent ..

What happens if AGD find their radars (Two AGD radars in the Redflex box ) have not been working properly for last 9 months and 1,250 motorist have got penalty points incorrectly ..

Be interested on your thoughts you know its different because they will louse millions in claims if they find their own radars failure ,

If there is no problem with the calibration why hide the calibration company issue:::::: ?

You have a Garda force , who did 2 million fake breath tests (ha ha), tried to finish a honest Garda off that was telling the truth ...(unbelievable)

Probably cost 35 million of your tax payers money...

And nobody fired ,nobody convicted all on pensions with pay offs .....

Be interesting to see would the Garda go public with a Go Safe problem

cooley05 · 23-10-2020 11:25pm

Anyone know how long it takes to get to court currently if you don’t pay the FCPN? Just wondering with covid is there a large backlog of getting to court. E.g if the 56 days expires on the 1st December what is a likely date to end up in court?

Aston martin · 23-10-2020 11:53pm

I heard no court cases at the moment , unless serious crime

Skidfingers · 27-10-2020 10:30pm

I believe I was caught doing 132km in a 120km almost 3 weeks ago (Friday 9th October). Is there any delay in being set out the fine/points with Covid at the minute? Hoping as it's 3 weeks ago I may have got away with it.

theintern · 28-10-2020 11:57am

Even pre Covid it could take a good few weeks. Unfortunately you're not out of the woods yet.

Aston martin · 31-10-2020 8:12pm

was the police car stoped and then came after her, or were they driving behind her

you'r entitled to see all evidence they have.... sometimes they are winging it

Skidfingers · 02-11-2020 9:23am

Aston martin wrote: »

was the police car stoped and then came after her, or were they driving behind her

you'r entitled to see all evidence they have.... sometimes they are winging it

If you're on about me it was a speed van.

Acey10 · 08-11-2020 4:12pm

Hi all, I got my first speeding ticket today, the garda told me to expect the fine in the post but im just wondering about points, is it a standard 3 penalty points? And will my insurance remium increase much? thanks

Samuel T. Cogley · 08-11-2020 4:42pm

Acey10 wrote: »

Hi all, I got my first speeding ticket today, the garda told me to expect the fine in the post but im just wondering about points, is it a standard 3 penalty points? And will my insurance remium increase much? thanks

3 points if paid, 5 if you go to court. My insurance went up by about €70 on a c.500 quid premium.

Aston martin · 08-11-2020 4:47pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

3 points if paid, 5 if you go to court. My insurance went up by about €70 on a c.500 quid premium.

You are entitled to see the evidence, you should ask to see it ...

Should make no difference on your insurance 3 points
If you have 4 or 5 it will increase your insurance.

Killinator · 08-11-2020 6:11pm

Aston martin wrote: »

You are entitled to see the evidence, you should ask to see it ...

Should make no difference on your insurance 3 points
If you have 4 or 5 it will increase your insurance.

If he wants to see evidence or believes they're innocent then they take there chances in court.

Samuel T. Cogley · 08-11-2020 7:55pm

The evidence was a photo of my hairdresser-mobile doing 58 in Fairview overtaking the wanker who had just tried to cut across me at the bottom of the Howth Road because very few people on that junction seem to understand lanes. Seems he got the last laugh. Defo ended up with a loading with just three points. Possibly should have shopped around better.

Didn't feel too hard done by, had got pulled on the M50 a few nights before for doing '150' according to the Guard. No fecking way the car would have sold for 150 let alone do 150 but was just given a warning so didn't argue.

Aston martin · 08-11-2020 8:58pm

Killinator wrote: »

If he wants to see evidence or believes they're innocent then they take there chances in court.

You are entitled in Ireland to see all evidence it’s only a phone call to Garda’s the number is on the fine

it should come out in 3 to 4 days
You can then decide if you want to pay or go to court

Killinator · 08-11-2020 9:11pm

Aston martin wrote: »

You are entitled in Ireland to see all evidence it’s only a phone call to Garda’s the number is on the fine

it should come out in 3 to 4 days
You can then decide if you want to pay or go to court

The Garda's name or number are not on the fine sent in post. You'd have to call the station to find out via the fcn number.

You are entitled to see the evidence but not necessarily before court. If he goes not guilty on first date then his solicitor can apply for a full disclosure order which will include all and any evidence in relation to the incident.

If he's guilty he accepts it and pays the fine. If he's innocent they don't pay and get summons to court, then the gardai will provide evidence necessary.

Aston martin · 13-11-2020 9:55am

I think you are entitled to the all evidence before the any case that might be against you or for you, you may need a solicitor or do yourself by registered letter write to the garda office from were the fine comes from, if they don't send evidence before the case , mentioned to the judge that you are entitled to all evidence and you were not given it to defend yourself, he might dismiss case

Skidfingers · 13-11-2020 10:05am

Skidfingers wrote: »

I believe I was caught doing 132km in a 120km almost 3 weeks ago (Friday 9th October). Is there any delay in being set out the fine/points with Covid at the minute? Hoping as it's 3 weeks ago I may have got away with it.

5 weeks ago since I was believe I caught and still nothing. Hoping I got away with it now, otherwise it wasn't a speed van at all and I must have been seeing things.

Killinator · 13-11-2020 10:37am

Aston martin wrote: »

I think you are entitled to the all evidence before the any case that might be against you or for you, you may need a solicitor or do yourself by registered letter write to the garda office from were the fine comes from, if they don't send evidence before the case , mentioned to the judge that you are entitled to all evidence and you were not given it to defend yourself, he might dismiss case

He won't dismiss the case!
You get your FCN.
You either accept you were speeding and pay or you do not accept and you let it run to summons.
You get a court date.
On first court date you will be asked if you are guilty or not
If you say guilty you'll pay the elevated fine and get the extra points.
If you go innocent you will get a date for hearing.
At this point the solicitor can make an application for disclosure which will be all evidence to be used in the upcoming hearing, which for most hearings consists of a Garda statement as there's so little to it.
There won't be a photo (unless it's the new speed gun and even then it's not a requirement and it is not a requirement to prove the speed gun was calibrated)
Rightly or wrongly it is generally considered good enough evidence for a Garda to submit evidence that he observed so and so speeding at whatever speed on such and such date in such and such location.

That's how it works. There's generally no other evidence to give.

Whocare · 03-03-2021 7:20pm

Anyone know how quickly do sent out fine

FileNotFound · 03-03-2021 7:20pm

Whocare wrote: »

Anyone know how quickly do sent out fine

Usually within 2 weeks.

You much over?

Lewis_Benson · 04-03-2021 6:38am

Whocare wrote: »

Anyone know how quickly do sent out fine

What?

omeara1113 · 04-03-2021 6:47am

Within 2 weeks usually

ferg01 · 04-03-2021 1:10pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Usually within 2 weeks.

You much over?

Confidentially I had the same question. I was 5-10 kph over in a 120kph zone. I am assuming I won’t see a letter?

FileNotFound · 04-03-2021 1:14pm

ferg01 wrote: »

Confidentially I had the same question. I was 5-10 kph over in a 120kph zone. I am assuming I won’t see a letter?

Highly unlikely, I have past many at 10Km/h and slightly more over the limit and nothing has ever come.

Everyone has heard the stories of a few kn over but in majority of cases there seems to be some leniency.

ferg01 · 04-03-2021 1:24pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Highly unlikely, I have past many at 10Km/h and slightly more over the limit and nothing has ever come.

Everyone has heard the stories of a few kn over but in majority of cases there seems to be some leniency.

Yeah I figured as much. Will keep you posted if I get an unwelcome surprise.

Isambard · 04-03-2021 1:28pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Highly unlikely, I have past many at 10Km/h and slightly more over the limit and nothing has ever come.

Everyone has heard the stories of a few kn over but in majority of cases there seems to be some leniency.

should be mind also that some of those people might be inexact with the facts to, presumably, sway opinion in their favour.

Whocare · 04-03-2021 3:39pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Usually within 2 weeks.

You much over?

About 14 km by gps had no number plate on trailer so hopefully I get away with it (small enough trailer so kinda still see car plate depending on view

Truckermal · 04-03-2021 4:32pm

Whocare wrote: »

About 14 km by gps had no number plate on trailer so hopefully I get away with it (small enough trailer so kinda still see car plate depending on view

Was the Van facing the other direction so? Did you not see the Van?

newmember2 · 04-03-2021 6:14pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Highly unlikely, I have past many at 10Km/h and slightly more over the limit and nothing has ever come.

Everyone has heard the stories of a few kn over but in majority of cases there seems to be some leniency.

After getting done 59 in a 50 I've revised my internal leeway theory to 10%...

Odyssey 2005 · 04-03-2021 10:00pm

Whocare wrote: »

About 14 km by gps had no number plate on trailer so hopefully I get away with it (small enough trailer so kinda still see car plate depending on view

You missed the van with 2 foot cameras on the side of it on the opposite side of the road ?!

Darc19 · 04-03-2021 10:04pm

Van simply records the speed of every vehicle going by. This is then transferred to Thurles traffic hq and reviewed by a Garda who issues the tickets to those speeding over the limit.

There is obviously some leeway which seems to vary.

Kaisr Sose · 04-03-2021 10:16pm

Whocare wrote: »

About 14 km by gps had no number plate on trailer so hopefully I get away with it (small enough trailer so kinda still see car plate depending on view

I think it's a 10% rule.

However, some issues here. You were towing so a lower speed limit applies.

Also, whats the deal on no reg plate on the trailer?

Better you slow down and follow the rules then you need not worry about fines.

Whocare · 04-03-2021 10:32pm

Truckermal wrote: »

Was the Van facing the other direction so? Did you not see the Van?

Yeah van was facing other direction. Yeah only seen van went look in mirrors .was on phone and it was still dark at time van was kinda hidden too

FileNotFound · 05-03-2021 10:23am

Whocare wrote: »

Yeah van was facing other direction. Yeah only seen van went look in mirrors .was on phone and it was still dark at time van was kinda hidden too

Once again I have heard "that they get you both ways" - but in my experience it has never been the case.

And i have properly sped passed vans on the other side of the road.

Schwiiing · 08-03-2021 9:48pm

Standard enough stuff here.

Passed a guard with a handheld camera while over the speed limit (~135km/h) on the M6 last friday. He didn't pursue me nor was I pulled in. Was wondering how long it takes for the speed fine to come in the post and is the fine set to the speed I was caught at?

Everyone I ask seems to have a different story about asking about is the camera calibrated and was the guard wearing his hat and that usual nonsense.

Killinator · 08-03-2021 10:33pm

Schwiiing wrote: »

Standard enough stuff here.

Passed a guard with a handheld camera while over the speed limit (~135km/h) on the M6 last friday. He didn't pursue me nor was I pulled in. Was wondering how long it takes for the speed fine to come in the post and is the fine set to the speed I was caught at?

Everyone I ask seems to have a different story about asking about is the camera calibrated and was the guard wearing his hat and that usual nonsense.

If a fine is to be issued the Garda has 107 days to apply for it before it's too late. So essentially 3 months to apply for a FCN.

Bare in mind your speedo says 136km buy could be out by up to 10%. In such case you'd of been tagged doing 122/123km which would mean (in my experience) most Gardai wouldn't bother issuing a ticket. Spedvans would be different ànd generally issue tickets pretty quickly as they don't generally use discretion but are more black and white.

Schwiiing · 08-03-2021 10:39pm

Killinator wrote: »

If a fine is to be issued the Garda has 107 days to apply for it before it's too late. So essentially 3 months to apply for a FCN.

Bare in mind your speedo says 136km buy could be out by up to 10%. In such case you'd of been tagged doing 122/123km which would mean (in my experience) most Gardai wouldn't bother issuing a ticket. Spedvans would be different ànd generally issue tickets pretty quickly as they don't generally use discretion but are more black and white.

By the same ticket I could have been tagged doing 10% over around 150Km/hr?

Killinator · 08-03-2021 10:44pm

Schwiiing wrote: »

By the same ticket I could have been tagged doing 10% over around 150Km/hr?

No, generally speedos read over, never heard of one reading under.
Manufacturers could not afford to let cars out that were travelling faster than indicated. Would be non stop law suits. However a car travelling slightly slower than indicated is not an issue.

No with that said, it's not always 10%, could be as low as 1% or even spot on right.

It's not an exact science but next time you go by a digital radar sign at a 60/50 zone take a look at your speedo and it'll almost certainly be reading faster than the road sign

_Kaiser_ · 09-03-2021 12:00am

Killinator wrote: »

No, generally speedos read over, never heard of one reading under.
Manufacturers could not afford to let cars out that were travelling faster than indicated. Would be non stop law suits. However a car travelling slightly slower than indicated is not an issue.

No with that said, it's not always 10%, could be as low as 1% or even spot on right.

It's not an exact science but next time you go by a digital radar sign at a 60/50 zone take a look at your speedo and it'll almost certainly be reading faster than the road sign

I find mine is more or less accurate at lower speeds but even at upper motorway speed it's only over by 4km/h

I'd say he was doing about 130 -132. Not generally fast enough to get them chasing you down, and as far as I know they still need to pull you in with a handheld if they want to ticket you (although the new guns can take pictures, they're still on test - but one of the more in the know posters may confirm)

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