Why do socialists go bald? MOD WARNING POST 70

Fuascailteoir · 22-05-2020 4:34pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

I meant the common weed smoking, soy latte swilling Irish socialist, who says stuff like “eat the rich”. I’ve never come across one of these guys, who’s been physically impressive in any way at all.

Don't believe you. I bet you come across guys who are not physically impressive all the time... maybe even twice in Tuesday's

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 4:34pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Seems the socialist bashers don't really know what socialism is or what capitalism is. They think they have a grasp on both economic models but are really just gas-bagging.

They're also happy to avail of evil social programs like public transport, free libraries, universal healthcare, subsidised education, unemployment benefits, children's allowance, public parks, beaches and playgrounds, etc.

I’ve no problem paying taxes, although I think the current tax structure in this country discourages progression and innovation.

We need to encourage career progression and development, not discourage it.

nullzero · 22-05-2020 4:36pm

Zaph wrote: »

Stalin had a fine head of hair on him, so I'm afraid your argument is fallacious OP.

Lenin was a Slap head though...

Snickers Man · 22-05-2020 4:38pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

I was more referring to the college slacktivists.

What? Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett and Gino Kelly (the three mentioned in your OP) are all still at college, are they? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 4:40pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

You’ll never eliminate socialism capitalism. There’s a pecking order, and uncompetitive exploited people will always sit at the bottom of it.

FYP

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 4:40pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

What? Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett and Gino Kelly (the three mentioned in your OP) are all still at college, are they? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nope, but I’m pretty sure that these guys have been “full time activists” their whole life. I’m pretty sure none of them have actually held a proper job in their lives.

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 4:41pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

FYP

If you’re that concerned about being exploited, start your own business and stop expecting something for nothing.

22-05-2020 4:45pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

What? Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett and Gino Kelly (the three mentioned in your OP) are all still at college, are they? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yep. The college of life. Paid for by the taxpayer. Along with their legal fees.

Ultrflat · 22-05-2020 4:46pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Look at Paul Murphy, Boyd Barrett, Gino Kenny etc. All of them are suffering from some form of male pattern baldness.

There also all under 6 ft. Do these people simply have weak genetics?

Sure look at Micheál Martin

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 4:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep. The college of life. Paid for by the taxpayer. Along with their legal fees.

“Graduated from the school of hard knocks”
“Works at full-time mad bastard”

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 4:48pm

Ultrflat wrote: »

Sure look at Micheál Martin

He’s like 60, Paul Murphy has been bald since he was in his 20s

Ultrflat · 22-05-2020 4:49pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

He’s like 60, Paul Murphy has been bald since he was in his 20s

Do you play chess?

kowloon · 22-05-2020 4:57pm

Krushchev and Gorbachev. Churchill, Truman and Eisenhower had some serious receding hairlines.

StackSteevens · 22-05-2020 4:58pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Nope, but I’m pretty sure that these guys have been “full time activists” their whole life. I’m pretty sure none of them have actually held a proper job in their lives.

You're forgetting that Paul Murphy went to Brussels as Joe Higgins MEP's personal assistant. While there, his daily chores included polishing Joe's shoes (not easy as Joe usually wore hush puppies), cooking his breakfast and making him six cups of tea a day. That's why Murphy went bald so young.

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:00pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

You're forgetting that Paul Murphy went to Brussels as Joe Higgins MEP's personal assistant. While there, his daily chores included polishing Joe's shoes (not easy as Joe usually wore hush puppies), cooking his breakfast and making him six cups of tea a day. That's why Murphy went bald so young.

Jesus that sounds stressful. I’m going to rethink my opinion of him now.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:00pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Sure because the Navy Seals are hardcore socialists.

Since when did adherence to an economic credo become a factor in qualification for a military unit?

Now you sound like a pre-teen with a chubby for soldiers and war toys.

Ever hear of Stan Goff, hardcore lefty liberal and ex-Green Beret?

What do special forces soldiers have to do with capitalism OR socialism?

Ever hear of the GI Bill? It's a socialist program in the US that ex-service personnel avail of to fund a college education. Ever hear of the Veteran's Administration (VA)? Another socialist program where your darling Navy Seals get patched up after they step on a landmine.

Are you trying to assert that American soldiers are all hardcore capitalists because they are American soldiers?

That is one on the most infantile things I've ever read.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:01pm

Your Face wrote: »

I like Democracy. There's something sexy about it.

What's democracy got to do with it?

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:03pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Since when did adherence to an economic credo become a factor in qualification for a military unit?

Now you sound like a pre-teen with a chubby for soldiers and war toys.

Ever hear of Stan Goff, hardcore lefty liberal and ex-Green Beret?

What do special forces soldiers have to do with capitalism OR socialism?

Ever hear of the GI Bill? It's a socialist program in the US that ex-service personnel avail of to fund a college education. Ever hear of the Veteran's Administration (VA)? Another socialist program where your darling Navy Seals get patched up after they step on a landmine.

Are you trying to assert that American soldiers are all hardcore capitalists because they are American soldiers?

That is one on the most infantile things I've ever read.

Navy Seals got in trouble a few years back for flying Trump/Pence flags from military Hummers.

Military personnel and veterans overwhelmingly vote conservatively in the states.

What it’s got to do with Capitalism vs Socialism is that you made a childish remark about capitalists being to scared and fat to fight. Well here’s a whole bunch of capitalism supporters who would kick your ass, and the ass of most others.

Necro · 22-05-2020 5:05pm

Mod Note:

Cobalt17 and ShatterAlan, quit the back and forth bickering. Any issues with a post and report it.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:05pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

I’ve no problem paying taxes, although I think the current tax structure in this country discourages progression and innovation.

We need to encourage career progression and development, not discourage it.

You've just proved my point that you don't know what socialism OR capitalism is and are now trying desperately to make out like you do.

What have taxes or career progression got to do with socialism or capitalism? Go on, have a punt.

Better Than Christ · 22-05-2020 5:06pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Nope, but I’m pretty sure that these guys have been “full time activists” their whole life. I’m pretty sure none of them have actually held a proper job in their lives.

If, for some stupid reason, you don't count being a TD as a 'proper' job, the same could be said of half the Dail, regardless of whether they're left or right. It's certainly true of Varadkar, who practiced medicine for five minutes before becoming a TD. I think Micheal Martin was briefly a teacher.

Ultrflat · 22-05-2020 5:07pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Sure because the Navy Seals are hardcore socialists.

Well actually look at what Admiral Willam Mac Raven said about trump he is a Seal.

Also served both George Bush and Obama.

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:09pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

You've just proved my point that you don't know what socialism OR capitalism is and are now trying desperately to make out like you do.

What have taxes or career progression got to do with socialism or capitalism? Go on, have a punt.

How have I proved your point? I’m not even sure what your point is? You think taxes don’t exist in a capitalist society?

Because we’ve set up our tax rate to kick in at 40% at 35k, 52% at 70k. Why would anybody in the right mind, seek a promotion, work harder, or try to excel on a financial and professional level when you’re going to be taxed to hell once you hit an incredibly mediocre rate?

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:12pm

Ultrflat wrote: »

Well actually look at what Admiral Willam Mac Raven said about trump he is a Seal.

Also served both George Bush and Obama.

Ex-seal, and he doesn’t align himself politically. He does praise Bush quite a lot though.

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:14pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

If, for some stupid reason, you don't count being a TD as a 'proper' job, the same could be said of half the Dail, regardless of whether they're left or right. It's certainly true of Varadkar, who practiced medicine for five minutes before becoming a TD. I think Micheal Martin was briefly a teacher.

Varadkar was a Doctor at a hospital for several years, but don’t let that get in your way.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:16pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

If you’re that concerned about being exploited, start your own business and stop expecting something for nothing.

I do have my own business AND I don't expect anything for nothing.

Let me guess....you think socialism is the eradication of private enterprise, don't you?

What social programs do you avail of while bashing socialism in the same breath?

Do you have your own private security service, that are also trained doctors and firefighters so you don't need to rely on the Gardai, Fire Brigade or Ambulance service when things go wrong?

I hope I don't see you having a picnic in the council funded Phoenix Park with your kids on Children's Allowance Day. Go buy your own park and leave us commies alone.

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:18pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I do have my own business AND I don't expect anything for nothing.

Let me guess....you think socialism is the eradication of private enterprise, don't you?

What social programs do you avail of while bashing socialism in the same breath?

Do you have your own private security service, that are also trained doctors and firefighters so you don't need to rely on the Gardai, Fire Brigade or Ambulance service when things go wrong?

I hope I don't see you having a picnic in the council funded Phoenix Park with your kids on Children's Allowance Day. Go buy your own park and leave us commies alone.

Blogging doesn’t count as a business.

22-05-2020 5:19pm

Then you’ve got the hairy hoors, like this guy! https://www.google.com/search?q=enda+kenny&rlz=1C9BKJA_enIE744IE744&hl=en-GB&prmd=inv&sxsrf=ALeKk03xJUbw1eC05V0kiWtrMVPY7i_HOQ:1590164307926&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9htXV78fpAhVRuHEKHWQ8BZQQ_AUoAXoECBwQAQ&biw=1024&bih=651#imgrc=cFrBTF9yiAtnbM

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-05-2020 5:26pm

Dont know why the fck Mussolini is being brought up as an eg of a bald wingnut. He was born into Socialist Royalty, named afrer famed Mexican socialist leader Benito Juarez.

He styled Fasci Italiani di Combettimento off the Italian Socialist Party. His father being heavily in left wing politics.

None of their economic policies were right wing in nature, likewise the Germans.

StackSteevens · 22-05-2020 5:27pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I hope I don't see you having a picnic in the council funded Phoenix Park with your kids on Children's Allowance Day. Go buy your own park and leave us commies alone.

Phoenix Park is owned and administered by the OPW and its funding has absolutely nothing to do with "the council".

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:27pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

How have I proved your point? I’m not even sure what your point is? You think taxes don’t exist in a capitalist society?

Because we’ve set up our tax rate to kick in at 40% at 35k, 52% at 70k. Why would anybody in the right mind, seek a promotion, work harder, or try to excel on a financial and professional level when you’re going to be taxed to hell once you hit an incredibly mediocre rate?

I don't understand why you would even bring taxes in to the discussion. Why did you even mention taxes and you not having a problem paying them? I suggested that you have no problem availing of social programs, which you obviously don't, all the while damning socialism and social programs and your reply is something about taxes.

Could you explain?

Ultrflat · 22-05-2020 5:31pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't understand why you would even bring taxes in to the discussion. Why did you even mention taxes and you not having a problem paying them? I suggested that you have no problem availing of social programs, which you obviously don't, all the while damning socialism and social programs and your reply is something about taxes.

Could you explain?

He deflects by changing the subject.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:34pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Phoenix Park is owned and administered by the OPW and its funding has absolutely nothing to do with "the council".

I'll take that. I am not fully aware of what public services are council charged and what ones ones are Office of Public Works.

Sufficeth to say that it's a public park open for all to enjoy. In fact I believe it's the largest one in Europe.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:37pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Blogging doesn’t count as a business.

I'm not a blogger. But why doesn't it count as a business if it generates thousands of Euros a month?

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:38pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't understand why you would even bring taxes in to the discussion. Why did you even mention taxes and you not having a problem paying them? I suggested that you have no problem availing of social programs, which you obviously don't, all the while damning socialism and social programs and your reply is something about taxes.

Could you explain?

Because socialist states require high taxes, at the detriment of personal wealth. If you can’t see the relationship between socialism and taxes I’m afraid I can’t help you.

I’ve no problem with social programs, I’ve an issue with the idea of the means of production and distribution being owned as a collective.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:40pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Ex-seal, and he doesn’t align himself politically. He does praise Bush quite a lot though.

Socialism and Capitalism are economic models NOT political belief systems

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:42pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Socialism and Capitalism are economic models NOT political belief systems

But Bush is was a Republican, firmly aligned with the ideology of low tax and prosperity. You’re just being childish now...

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:43pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Dont know why the fck Mussolini is being brought up as an eg of a bald wingnut. He was born into Socialist Royalty, named afrer famed Mexican socialist leader Benito Juarez.

He styled Fasci Italiani di Combettimento off the Italian Socialist Party. His father being heavily in left wing politics.

None of their economic policies were right wing in nature, likewise the Germans.

Old Mussolini basically opened the doors to corporatism in Italy. He may have been of socialist leaning stock but he just sold the country to bankers for personal gain.

gary550 · 22-05-2020 5:45pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't understand why you would even bring taxes in to the discussion. Why did you even mention taxes and you not having a problem paying them? I suggested that you have no problem availing of social programs, which you obviously don't, all the while damning socialism and social programs and your reply is something about taxes.

Could you explain?

Social programs and socialism aren't the same though are they?

Social programs & services are funded in a large part by taxation on capitalist activity which is why I never understand why people bring them up when taking about socialism?

maestroamado · 22-05-2020 5:46pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Varadkar was a Doctor at a hospital for several years, but don’t let that get in your way.

Both had unhappy stint in Health.
It says a lot about both men, not able for lesser job but i want to be boss.
Martin's stint was 20 years ago and he was not able to sort it.
Varadker ducked out of it pretty quickly and i cannot remember the circumstances but the job wasn't done.

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:49pm

maestroamado wrote: »

Both had unhappy stint in Health.
It says a lot about both men, not able for lesser job but i want to be boss.
Martin's stint was 20 years ago and he was not able to sort it.
Varadker ducked out of it pretty quickly and i cannot remember the circumstances but the job wasn't done.

Agreed, but I would have more trust in a trained doctor, spent 5 odd years in college plus additional years in a hospital, than a full time activist, especially given the current circumstances.

Ted_YNWA · 22-05-2020 5:51pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I'll take that. I am not fully aware of what public services are council charged and what ones ones are Office of Public Works.

Sufficeth to say that it's a public park open for all to enjoy. In fact I believe it's the largest one in Europe.

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I'm not a blogger. But why doesn't it count as a business if it generates thousands of Euros a month?

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Because socialist states require high taxes, at the detriment of personal wealth. If you can’t see the relationship between socialism and taxes I’m afraid I can’t help you.

I’ve no problem with social programs, I’ve an issue with the idea of the means of production and distribution being owned as a collective.

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Socialism and Capitalism are economic models NOT political belief systems

Mod - Take it to PM.

You have already been asked to stop.

Thread is nothing but bickering between you.

Final Warning

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:53pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Because socialist states require high taxes, at the detriment of personal wealth. If you can’t see the relationship between socialism and taxes I’m afraid I can’t help you.

I’ve no problem with social programs, I’ve an issue with the idea of the means of production and distribution being owned as a collective.

Then why are you railing against Socialism? Why didn't you phrase your thread as "Why do those who advocate that the means of production and distribution being owned as a collective go bald?" ?

And what Socialist states that you talk of levy taxes on their citizens to the detriment of personal wealth? Give a few cogent examples of this Socialist taxation scourge.

Give an example of where the average citizen is better off in a low tax, winner takes all, society with no social programs as opposed to the citizen who pays much higher taxes but has all manner of protections.

Central Services · 22-05-2020 5:53pm

Big business owns most modern governments and politicians. Of whatever hue. Whether they identify by the out-dated, simplistic dichotomy of left/right or any other purported ideology.

ShatterAlan · 22-05-2020 5:55pm

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Mod - Take it to PM.

You have already been asked to stop.

Thread is nothing but bickering between you.

Final Warning

Point taken.

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 5:56pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Then why are you railing against Socialism? Why didn't you phrase your thread as "Why do those who advocate that the means of production and distribution being owned as a collective go bald?" ?

And what Socialist states that you talk of levy taxes on their citizens to the detriment of personal wealth? Give a few cogent examples of this Socialist taxation scourge.

Give an example of where the average citizen is better off in a low tax, winner takes all, society with no social programs as opposed to the citizen who pays much higher taxes but has all manner of protections.

No, because what I think is good policy, you think is ****e and vice versa, there’s no point in engaging further.

maestroamado · 22-05-2020 5:59pm

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Agreed, but I would have more trust in a trained doctor, spent 5 odd years in college plus additional years in a hospital, than a full time activist, especially given the current circumstances.

That's the kindof people we want in this country, personally i believe our whole political system is parochial and flawed, i am not a fan of either persons as i do not see real leadership qualities in either.
The best example that i can think of is on the day we decided we not want McDowell be TD we voted in two boys from Kerry.
We had a Doctor as health minister before but the HSE not want him as he knew too much...

StackSteevens · 22-05-2020 6:04pm

maestroamado wrote: »

Both had unhappy stint in Health.
It says a lot about both men, not able for lesser job but i want to be boss.
Martin's stint was 20 years ago and he was not able to sort it.
Varadker ducked out of it pretty quickly and i cannot remember the circumstances but the job wasn't done.

Not to worry because the exceptionally talented Louise O'Reilly will sort it all out when SF take over!

In the interim, I'm secretly hoping that Eamon Ryan will insist on Catherine Martin getting the gig. Poor Simon Harris needs a break!

Cobalt17 · 22-05-2020 6:09pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Not to worry because the exceptionally talented Louise O'Reilly will sort it all out when SF take over!

In the interim, I'm secretly hoping that Eamon Ryan will insist on Catherine Martin getting the gig. Poor Simon Harris needs a break!

Minister for Health has the same effect as the US president gig. Everyone who holds either position for 5 years, ages about 20.

Happy4all · 22-05-2020 6:11pm

Michael D always had a lovely head of hair

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